Ken Wilber in an Insightful Discussion on Integrating Spirituality, Science, and Human Development
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Join an insightful discussion between Andrew Holecek and Ken Wilber on integrating spirituality, science, and human development. They discussed Wilber's new book "Finding Radical Wholeness" and how it provides a comprehensive overview of waking up, growing up, opening up, cleaning up, and showing up as vectors of transformation. A major topic was distinguishing between waking up experiences and growing up stages, as well as clarifying the pre-trans fallacy around interpreting early fusion states as enlightenment. They also dialogued around expanding notions of matter and consciousness, with Wilber arguing that interiority exists at all scales from quarks to humans. Overall, the discussion provided valuable insights into integral theory, stages of human development, and how to apply these concepts through integral life practice to facilitate personal and social evolution.
That's a good point about the pre/trans fallacy! A surface interpretation of the Bible can lead to that. With a more esoteric interpretation of the Bible the fall as I see it was a necessary step for humanity to go from undifferentiated oneness (much like an infant) to a state of sin as in separation for the purpose of the development of unique and sovereign individuals. The next step is not back to the garden of Eden but to paradise where the individual is transcended and included.
Its like embracing and engaging God-gifted Humanity, Our Gaia Earth Awareness and The Potentiating Heavenly Earths Agenda through greater ...Democracy, Evolutionary Thinking, and Integral Scientific Visioneering.... with an integrally greater Conscience coming forth and going forward.
Read the book… if you understand what you did, his latest book is for you.
Go forth friend and do the great work. That's beautiful.
Amazing you have ken on!
perfect timing! 50:00
Really a genius, I also came upon his concept of Spectrum after a spiritual awakening I had when I was very young
If I'm not mistaken Ken was saying something about Ultimate reality NOT being Ineffable that people only say that when they haven't gotten it... this writing from Anam Thubten seems to contradict that..
"Yet there are no assertions that truly capture the ineffability of the ultimate truth. It is impossible to find the perfect word or concept that can describe zhi. The only way we can be awakened to zhi is by leaving the thinking mind - the intellect - behind and using a non-conceptual state of consciousness Here, this verse says even Buddha's tongue has a hard time expressing it. This is a kind of humorous but shocking statement. Often in the minds of Buddhists, buddhas are awakened, have extraordinary wisdom, and are able to express the ultimate truth. They are like divine experts on ultimate truth. It would be like saying Einstein has trouble describing the theory of relativity. However, the ultimate truth is beyond words, such that even Buddha cannot express it."
Or as the spiritual teacher Anthony De Mello used to say "What is ultimate in the human knowledge of God - to know that we do not know God."
What are your thoughts on this Andrew?
Friend, why do you expect Andrew to sit there, ponder your fine question, and give you a response?. He is a busy man.
@@moesypittounikos i don’t expect anything
Thank you for your great work dear Andrew. Could you please spell out the Sanskrit term for divine ignorence that you mentioned towards the end of the episode.
Gotta separate the intellect from the physical manifestation. Notice how a number of commenters get hook on the material level. Who in you is hooked?
I Like how wilbers licks periodically on his finger tips. As if he was a book where he hast to turn the pages :)
I noticed this too.
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Andy Warhol looks a scream; Andy Warhol silver screen!
Ken has a lot of ideas that could potentially help our world. My main concern continues to be the many malevolent people Ken allows to be associated with him and his Integral Life Corporation. 😢
One of the greatest minds of our time??? How far the bar has fallen. His “hair” suggests a deep narcissism … and inability to live with how he has arrived on the planet in this incarnation. The level of fawning is incomprehensible and uncomfortable
He seems to be more of a ...transformative postmodern integralist.... than mere narcissist.
The real question is: is he consciously playing with this seeming personae via the wig? I mean it's even hanging over his left eye. Quite peculiar. Not quite sure I'd jump to the conclusion that it's narcissistic
I do get it re the wig peculiar thing
I know his take at the begging of wig was he’d shaven since late 20s as part of Buddhist path.
And at that age now fancied a new look.
I would say it’s faintly like a zen teacher buying an Austin powers type suit on occasion
I remember just after trump 2016 Ken wrote his post truth article…then done a couple of interviews.
He did have a couple of almost Pro Trump parts about evolutionary potent aspects to it all etc.
Then he said in 2020 (almost as if it was a one off) that ‘we will have to ditch fossil fuels immediately.
I mean….there’s no shame in never leaving your loft but cmon……lol
Isn't Wilber promoting transhumanism and ahrimanic merging of man and machine?
Also, would anyone disagree he turned rather 'woke' the last two decades and by that lost a significant amount of support by those who didn't swallow that bait?
What is integrally ...woke, waking-up and awakened to Almighty....?
Could you further elaborate and/or expand on the ahrimanic bit?
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Didn’t realize Ken Wilbur is trans
He seems to be embracing and engaging an integrally unfolding sense of ...meta-, trans-, and ultimo-.... coming forth and going forward.
I find his hair so distracting
Ha ha ha was wondered if Ken is transitioning
I mean, you really expect that so much knowledge does not impact what is conventionally thought of as "psychic health"? He obviously is very different in all senses. I find it better to just listen without looking at him, but those are MY limitations, not his.
Focus
LOL. Hell, why not? Do you think his choice of wigs is intentional and if so, why?
@@auggiemarsh8682at night it glows turquoise, moroder/oakey lulabying him electric dreams. He's got a great mind. Haven't found any podcaster to birth it beyond monologue, all so fearful of being lost in keeping up with him.
I thought he was bald