Make Your Lawnmower Start On The First Pull Again - Honda Auto-choke Repair - Video
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Make Your Lawnmower Start On The First Pull Again - Honda Auto-choke Repair
Fix 99% of Lawnmower non-starting issues by replacing this simple part!
Is your lawnmower hard to start? If you have a Honda lawnmower you may need to perform the simple repair in this video.
Part used in video is Honda number 16620-z8d-305
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Hi All, I have found out the part number quoted here is the older part number, Honda has updated to a new version of thermal cartridge, It's 16620Z8D842...which eliminates future issues, great video , keep it up.
thanks for the update!
I actually ordered that same part number that is supposed to be updated and it doesn't work. My neighbor has this mower and I'm going to look up the the thermal wax that goes with his because his works perfectly
@@Scoffman0 What were the specs on the one that you got?
@@Scoffman0 had the same problem, would you have the correct #
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I’ve looked at numerous videos without success. This gentleman got to the point. He enunciated his words so he could be understood and he showed a step-by-step clear process so you could see how the parts were assembled. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
you're welcome Jim!
One of the most well-done videos I've seen on RUclips. Not only is the information technically helpful, but the editing of the video is crisp and the relevant steps captured concisely. 5 stars!!!
Dony this is FANTASTIC!! I replaced the carb and all gaskets and it still did not start. I was about ready to give up till I saw this video. You are a lifesaver!!
Never knew these things even existed. Don't have a matching motor but always good learning something knew.
learning something NEW!, lol
Need to sort your predicted text out 1st 😂
i have to say Dony, you have the best instructional videos out there. i’ve been following your channel for a long time and i’ve learned so much Dony. I’m sure you’ve inspired many of us to attempt repairs that we would never have done without you sharing your expertise. Thank you so much! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Really like your videos they really help me Than ks
Fix 99% of non starting issues by replacing this simple part!
pro tip son... Z is pronounced Zeeeeeee...not "zed"..."zed is dead"-pulp fiction...but seriously...get with the program....stop pronouncing letters and words in that UK queens english.
donyboy73 - The engine didn't start because you turned off the fuel petcock and there was no gasoline in the carburetor at that time 0:30
@@bobamericana3099 Hey, Bob, YOU'RE WRONG. He's in Canada! Of all the English-speaking countries, the US is the only one that pronounces it "zee".
@@hughwynn6193 lol, yes i know i forgot it off but there was plenty of gas in the carburetor and you can clearly see the part was defective
Thanks for your excellent work and generous sharing of your knowledge!
A great tip Donny Thank you. A lot to be said about keeping things simple with a manual choke.
You are 100% correct! But they invented this to prevent damages to the Machine when hot. Manual Choke is great, but once the Machine heats up for a long time, which a lot of People aren't aware and they ending up damaging the Mower instead.
@@JodBronson What? You mean if they start a hot engine with the choke on? It will flood and not start. Damage?
@@dkupy100 - DENSE! LOL
@@dkupy100 - As the engine warms up, the automatic choke adjusts to the temperature change to regulate the fuel/air mixture to the proper ratio.
Jordan, David Kupferman is correct. The engine won't run when warm with full choke. I don't see how it can cause any damage to it. Care to enlighten us?
Thats what I love about donyboy73 videos, he just talks clearly about the task at hand, no other external unrelated bullshit. Fantastic clear voice, tone and volume perfect. Exactly what is needed for instructional videos.
Timely video, just purchased a lawnmower with Honda auto choke system. Had a flooding/starvation problem on our old one so wimped out and got a shinny new mower. Nice seeing how the system works and how to fix. Auto choke seems to be all the rage these days. Personally I've never had a problem with manual choke on small engines. Reminds me of my MGB back in the 1970's with a manual choke for the dual SU carbs.
You save me time and money with all your videos!.. and for that my friend I thank you.
I've had problems with my honda lawnmower for years until I've found this video. Many thanks and now it starts at the first attempt! Keep doing what you're doing!
Thanks Don, lost track of how many times you have helped me out.
Another great video on how to fix simple small engine problems! I have the same mower and I knew it was a auto choke problem, just couldn't find what part made the auto choke work, easier than I thought it would be. Camera work was excellent, always focused where it needed to be, detailed explanation on the problem. Thank you very much for taking the time to make this video.
I tried pulling the thermo wax part out but it was completely stuck. I ended up really messing up the old part trying to pull it out. Any suggestions?
Allen this happened to me too. Someone had used black gasket seal and the thermowax capsule was stuck in its hole. I finally had to use a pair of needle nose Vice grips to wiggle and pull it out finally. I’d like to know if the Honda factory did this with the gasket cement??? Or is this in the service manual to use gasket seal.
@@Fresh-tw7ev You are supposed to use the liquid gasket to set the thermo wax part in place, not just pop it in. When you remove the old one you have to dig out any gasket left in the hole with a small screwdriver and compressed air.
@@danwhite6075 it’s working totally fine without any gasket seal.
@@Fresh-tw7ev That's great but Honda uses the gasket for a reason I have to assume. I have some sitting around so I put a dab on it. No harm in not using it I suppose. It's easy enough to put some on if you have problems.
This video popped up as a miracle fix! I’ve struggled with this mower every mowing season for several years because of this issue. Thanks for posting!
Great instructional video. Just what my lawnmower needed. However I was taught to never start a bolt into a threaded opening with a impact or drill driver. Start it with your fingers first then you can use whatever method to tighten. Using a power tool to get it started, if its not aligned properly can start cross threading before you can catch it. This has always served me well.
I was going to say the same thing, then read your comment. Been taught the same way, its the only way to do it. My father took his car to get a tyre changed and some time later I tried to get the wheel off, they had cross threaded 2 bolts and stripped the threads out of the hub using their power tools. When I went there and made them pay for the damage was watching the guys changing tyres and none of them were starting the bolts off by hand, unbelievable.
Yep. The video was good until that part. I love my impacts, but I'll never start the bolts with them.
Great tip Don and thank you for sharing. And thanks to all who commented with good info also.
Dony, , I've learned a great deal from watching your videos, thanks so much for sharing your expertise. Your camera work by the way is always top notch, it makes learning so easy. Stay safe Dony and thanks again., 👍👍. Personally, I like the "old fashioned" choke cable but I can understand Honda's thought process here.
What?!?! No other RUclips mechanic even shows this part as a possible diagnosis!!! I’ve cleaned my mowers carb so many times I could sell it as new!! THANKS! It’s exactly as you show! I’ve ordered the new part ! Now I’m confident that I can successfully repair my mower!!
you're welcome
I got the part in last Monday and finally got into the lawnmower Saturday. Thanks to your helpful video I had the job done in less than 15 minutes, and part of that was getting the tools together. Thanks again very much - first crank starting again!
Great video! Thanks for sharing
I wish honda would just keep it simple and stick with a fully manual choke and avoid potential problems.
@Russ Gallagher yea it's all bullshit. Epa needs to be limited to their restrictions.
@@johncuervo3019 I've had my honda mower for about ten years so I haven't been in the market since. Are all mower engines like that now? I have a Briggs engine on my 2011 snowblower . That has a manual choke.
Russ Gallagher more senseless garbage. Who leaves a choke on anyways, it ridiculous🙄
These corporations have to support their vendors and retailers this is why they make Junk Parts as well as Reliable Parts this is why Mercedes-Benz put there heater blower control unit integrated circuit chip in the bottom of the blower and you have to remove the entire front of the dashboard to get to it this is deliberate
not just honda briggs kohler and the chinese are all using auto chokes. And for some reason they think they need to be aerodynamic so put cowlings over everything. Ive been a small engine mechanic for 27 years there has been no real improvement too any of what is commonly used today be it a mower or a chainsaw. The only thing refined is they have got the lifespan cut by at least half if not more and the costs of making way down
He's the best online small engine repair teacher in my opinion.
bruh your the best small motor mechanic ever. there is a huge difference in mechanics small motors is a art
Don you made my day this is the video i was looking for for weeks. You are truly a blessing.
Just did this type of repair on a kohler 173cc engine yesterday, small world
excellent ! i have seen a couple of these now with choke issues but had no clue that this piece could simply be pulled out. you areclearly worthy of the title "doctor".
This fixed my mower, for some reason my cartridge was glued in with what appeared to be hi-temp silicone. took a while to figure out how to get it out, but I did, replaced it and now all is well. Thank you, I hope all the folks that are having this trouble with their lawn mower find this video.
Consistently ranked at the top of Consumer Reports best mowers...I love my Honda. This is a great auto-choke system that's easy to repair if it fails. Thanks Don!!
@Walter Sobchak There's absolutely nothing wrong with a manual choke, Walter. My Honda is 10 years old, doesn't have a auto-choke and it works fine; my point is if your mower has an auto-choke, the one made by Honda equals are beats the competition. Thanks Bud!!
Yes it is easy.
Someone should make a manual choke conversion kit. Automatic choke on small engines is unecessary and ridiculous, just decreases reliability
Auto choke is good since it chokes it for you without having to fiddle with the choke to start a normal engine.
autochokes was a dumb idea, same with fixed throttles. the manual chokes and throttle control are much better.
I suspect Troy-Bilt wanted to make it foolproof for the operator, so they went to auto-choke, and full throttle only. Just pull the cord. The model before the wax insert has a bimetal spring for auto-choke and it actually worked better. But I can see they want to make it simple for anyone to start. We just have to suffer through their trial-and-error designs.
It's all about emissions, and idiot proof starting (when it works like it should)
Yep, i took all that auto crap off my honda, ran a wire to choke and a wire to throttle. Now i have full control as it should be.
This chap is the best no question His vids flow he does not yakel on and on and on as most do and he tells you what you need to know A**************** nothing less !!!!!!!!!!
Thumbs up for sure. I bought one of the commercial Honda mowers that had this problem.
Did not want to put it in the shop to fix this poorly designed auto-choke so you helped me fix it.
Thanks much for this video.
Another excellent video. Thanks Don.
Because a simple manual choke lever was just too complicated...I'll stick with my old stuff with manual chokes that never fail to work.
Yeah it's getting pretty bad when people won't even reach down and pull a choke to the off position.
Your one of the 6 utube videos worth watching, the rest are just learning how themselves
Thank You’ll for information and advice
Dony
Thanks for the video. Pulled my Honda out after a long rest and mower would start and run but then chug and die. Choke was closed but wouldn't open. Saw this video on the opposite problem and found that the pin wouldn't come out even after it got hot keeping the choke closed. Followed your procedure, replaced the thermal cartridge and mower runs again.
My 13 year old daughter figured out how to use the choke to start our early 2000's Honda mower in about 15 seconds...maybe less. The engineers at Honda 'over thunk' the process and designed a system that will fail every two years. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
cbsctomh I prefer manual chokes much more but I have had an auto choke Honda push mower for over 12 years now and it has surprisingly always started first pull without any problems.
Honda fixing a problem that doesn't exist. Making a simple engine more complicated for no reason at all.
The reason is that most people are too stupid to understand how to use a choke, so Honda did them a favour and installed one for them. Add more crap to any machine and it's gonna break.
I guess most guys looking for curb side junk love these, mower won't start, junk it and buy a new one.
@@dwoodog my state wont give anything away . i am yet to see a curbside yard equipment find for free.
I think Kohler auto choke system Is the worst. Primer bulb was the way......
They have improved this auto choke system on the new Honda GCVx engines by repositioning give thermowax cartridge.
My old engine with manual choke was replaced with a used auto choke motor. Wish I had remembered there was a pipe sticking up in the weeds. The old motor was better cared for. Gonna get a wax cartridge, new carb and oil change. Thanks for the video!
Donyboy does it again. Like others said, this fix worked for me like a charm. I only wish I found this video last summer and saved a season of headaches.
My Honda mower is so hard to start. It has the rechargeable automatic starter but it won't start it from cold. After a couple years old and it wouldn't start right away, I always wondered why it didn't have the choke button to press 3 times before starting like my old mowers had. I finally discovered a hack to start it: fill gas tank, then roll the mower on its side to the right until deck is perpendicular to the ground (as if you were to inspect the blades), then flip it back upright and use the pull-start. If it doesn't start within 3 pulls, try flipping it over to its side again.
Recently I noticed that the engine said it had an auto choke and I then went hmmm I bet there's something wrong with that feature and sure enough Google brought me right here! I'll be glad to do away with my flip-start hack if this fix works for me. 😋
Update: replaced the part and it now starts on first pull from cold! No more flip-starts for me. 😁
@@Rein_Ciarfella Noooo, just get the fix! I don't miss it since I got the fix. I hope I didn't start a trend 🙃
I love your channel! So educational.
Have you ever rebuilt one of these CGV engines?
no I haven't
Excellent clear video fixed my Honda no start issue due to incorrect assembly of the carb causing the choke to be fully open , now fully closed on cold! 10/10💪💪💪
Thanks !!
I was not sure how to assembly back the carburetor and chock… all videos I found before was the model without chock.. you saved me!! Thanks
Often the machines need to be euthanized!
Don't, there was/is a service bulletin from Honda addressing this same issue. It would be replaced free of charge while under warranty, and sometimes as a special policy, if unit is "just out" American Honda (or Canadian counterpart) authorizes. Still great information.
Man I miss my Honda Commercial walk behind... thing ran for 25 years and always started on 1 - 1 1/2 pulls... always.
Commercial mowers are designed and built with better quality materials and last much much longer. Those box store models are NOT of the same quality. I know a Honda dealer that loves to show his customers the difference. He even has both types disassembled on the showroom floor so he can show you the differences.
RC Hobbyist Extreme big time difference! Solid steel deck for starters... way better wheels, better engine... just solid and ready for business... the deck on mine finally passed away after all that time... it literally ran for 25 years... was still running but I let it go... hard decision but I did what I had to... bet it still starts... lol
My Honda quad cut mower has the choke closed all the time. I did not find the plastic piece with the thermo part in it like you show in the excellent video. Same engine as the one in the video. Any advice is always appreciated. Keep up the excellent training. Your videos are the BEST
That did the trick! Started on the first pull after replacing it. I can’t believe I have been spraying starter fluid in the carb for 3 years due to this $10 part. I had a Lawn Boy M-Series commercial mower for 20 years that started on the first or 2nd pull every time. I only got rid of it b/c I couldn’t get the handle assembly for it. It was still running like a champ when I got rid of it. Should have paid someone to weld the handle.
Thank you so much for this video!! You explain things very thoroughly where I could actually tackle this project myself. Only problem was when I was attempting to remove the thermowax cartridge it was EXTREMELY difficult to remove and took at least 5 minutes with trying to pull on it to get it out. As I was trying to get it out and once I finally did I noticed quite a bit of gunk on it (a black/dark brown color) which is what I'm sure basically "glued" it in place. Do you have any recommendations on how to clean out the cartridge space before I replace it with a new one?
i use a small pick or flat screwdriver
Ok, great! Thanks for the tip and for your response!
@@donyboy73 dony this happened to me too. Very tightly locked into place with black gasket seal. Does the Honda factory install these cartridges on purpose that way?? And the real reason I came to your site is to ask…when I’m replace the thermowax cartridge should I use black gasket seal or just clean out the hole and go with a dry fit???
@@Fresh-tw7ev I just insert new one without using anything
The gas tap was turned off at first
@Oops Oops They havent even used this technology for 15 years.
@Oops Oops liar ass. You would have a manual choke
@@johncuervo3019 im not sure it had manual choke. Maybe primer bulb. At one point they had an autochoke that used the force of air off the flywheel to open it.
@@ChuckWood I remember them!
So it started, and ran with the tap off. Maybe it possible to run off oxygen?, lol
I'd say he does what we all do by turning off the fuel tap.
My prob is I forget to turn it back on again when it's mowing time. :)
I've read quite a few comments and one guy says 2 years. shit!
Might just use 'Start Ya Bastard' when it eventually fails.
Thanks for this video. Completely fixed my Honda lawn mower. Simple 10 minute job and it now starts on first pull again after two years!
WoW, is that the average life of that little wax pellet piece?
This video helped me a bunch, thanks. I cleaned up the carb, but was still having problems. Replaced the cartridge and she fired right up.
Did you say common sense . I haven't heard or seen this in 25 years . Thanks
Common sense is rare thing to come by these days..
The choke pellet was Honda's idea of maintaining continuous cash flow to their dealer franchises. Honda, Toyota, and Mazda have become masters at sucking cash from buyers of their products. All the while bragging about their superior quality.
I have 1986 220 r? self propelled . drilled a hole in air cleaner so i could shoot carb cleaner or gas in the carb. Done this for 20 years. Now i can fix it right, thanks ole buddy.
Dude literal godsend on this. Nobody had any information on this where i looked for the part number just said "aye yeah bro just replace this piece right der and it fixes erverything"
My honda hrt 216 thats over 10 years old starts 1st pull everytime. However it does have the choke on the handle throttle lever so I guess I'll stay away from auto choke honda mowers.
@Big Texas problem is they are all going to this auto choke crap. Can`t find a new one without it.
I have one of these engines with the choke lever that auto-returns when you squeeze the handle bar. Not at all impressed with it. I own many pieces of lawn equipment and it's the only one that has fuel/carb issues.
Thanks. My Honda wasn't starting. I figured it had something to do with the choke and your video helped me get the right part and fix it. I'm good to go now.
Thank you for this video! I’ve had nothing but problems with our HRX mower and this is the reason why. Just ordered the thermostat choke part. I’ve done every other Maintainance item you can do, including complete carb clean and several fuel additives to clean lines. This HAS to be it!
Look at 2:22, fuel valve goes from closed to open....
I was thinking, now THAT could be your problem right there!
Bogus video?
Looks to me like your fuel shut off, is off. At the beginning of the video.
Good eye Blaine.... maybe though he did that intentionally for his video demonstration
I have a same engine on my lawn mower, so this video will help me in near future...
Thanks for sharing your knowledge....
I congratulate you for an excellent explanation, good luck, see you soon.
The video I want to see is how to convert it to a manual choke ...
I did one recently for a customer.
I found I had to install a separate choke cable but otherwise pretty simple. The cable I used was just a push/pull type.
I have that exact mower with that exact problem. Auto choke is a joke shame on you Honda!
i wish they put the same quality as in their motorcycles
Perfect. Thanks to your excellent video, I managed to bring my Honda lawnmower back to life again for just $15.
Where did you order the part ?
Thanks man u really help me. I feel like I can fix anything.😅
Was I one of the only few that noticed that the fuel line was off in the beginning?
yes it was off but fuel was in carb and you could clearly see in video the pin was defective
@@donyboy73 tell em dony
When it wasn’t starting, you had the fuel tap OFF!
yes but the fuel was in carb
Sometimes i forget to turn the fuel tap ON, suddenly my mower dies!, DOH! lol
Great video! I bought a brand new Honda with this engine last year and this season it was a war to start it up.
I was a bit worried when I saw a web page that said 'The Infamous GCV160 auto choke carburetor'. Your video was informative, and I was able to get it running. Thank you.
As AvE would say, "Engineered to fail". Expected better from Honda.
Christian Riera ya but at least they made it very simple and not terrible expensive
Do they fail often?
@@Trainmaster1907 A primer bulb is even simpler and cheaper
Thanks for the video. I ordered the part off of amazon and 2 days later I installed it and it’s back to running normal.
Thanks , that totally explained my mower's problem, it can start first time and runs fine, then stop , start again, it will have problem, even if it starts, it vibrates and black smoke. I found the choke flapper won't be wide open when the mower runs badly, and the pin thing is randomly stuck out or stuck in.
Thank you donyboy just fixed my 7 year old HRX217VKA with the GCV190 Honda engine by replacing this part for $11.26 from the local ACE hardware store. Mine was hard to start the first time but easy after started once. Now it starts easy no matter when. They had it on hand so no need to wait either👍
Thanks Donboy. I’m working on my neighbors lawnmower and I’m staring at that exact part with the pin stuck out. I thought the auto choke had to do with the linkage then realized it didn’t. . Lol.
I’ve bought two new mowers in the last few years. One Troy Bilt self propelled and a Husqvarna push mower and bought them specifically for theHonda GVC 160 engines. They’re very reliable and easy to work on.
Thanks to you, I fixed my lawn mower!! Excellent, easy to follow instructions. I especially appreciate the details of putting it back together. Sense of accomplishment. Saved money. So grateful. New subscriber!
Just wanted to say thanks. I just swapped a gcv160 onto a weed trimmer and wasn't sure how the auto choke worked. I appreciate it.
I just paid a mechanic to fix this exact problem on my Honda. Frequently I learn by trial and error, mostly error. Now I know how to fix the issue for a lot less money.
nice close ups , best video I found
Excellent demonstration and explanation! You conversational but thorough teaching technique is Technical School quality. Thanks!
What great video! This worked perfectly for me and my GCV160-powered mower now starts with one pull like when it was new. I could not wait for the wax cartridge I had ordered online to arrive so I simply grinded down the pin ever so slightly and the mower now starts on the first pull. I will have to replace the cartridge when it arrives because the mower now runs a bit rich since the choke is probably not opening fully on account of the shortened pin.
Okay that makes sense. In summer, our mower had no issues starting. As the temperature has fallen now, it is hard to start the mower. I left the mower in the sun for a few hours and after a couple of pulls on the cord it started.
Thanks! Best info I've found on that lawnmower.
Excellent! We're going to try this to fix our lawnmower. Thank you.
You are a superb instructor,thank you
You are welcome!
Thank you thank you thank you! You saved me some much time and money. Thank you mower started right up
Great step by step video for an inexpensive fix. You do a great job with your videos. Thanks for your help!
I really enjoy your great videos sir! I personally use two threaded rods to align the gaskets and carbuerator as 'guide pins'. You can then remove one threaded rod at a time, and then insert each bolt. Saves time and potential errors regarding the gaskets allignment.
Great video, easy fix - Thanks. The 16620-Z8D-305 Thermo Wax fits the Honda GCV-190 engine also.
Thanks a lot for this video and for step by step instruction, I just get one machine exactly like this one with same problem, thanks again
I have that exact model lawn mower and it took FOREVER to start the first time this year. It finally started after about 50 pulls over 2 tries and it sounded just like that. I cleaned and checked the gap on the plug, checked for a dirty filter, etc. It took several pulls again after a long break to do other work but only took about 10 pulls. Since it did start, I'm not sure if that's the issue but now I know how to check. THANK YOU!!!
i was waiting for this video, because i have an auto choke and was concerned about that happening. now i know !!! , unfortunately i can only give 1 like, this one deserves more!!
Awesome video. This is the second time i watched this and learn something new both times.
That was exactly the problem… $12 and the mower that was hard to start now starts on the first pull. Thanks for the information and step by step… believe me, if I can do this, anyone can.
I have this mower ...works great ...thnx for the heads up !!😃😃
Another great one. Enjoying going back and watching missed one. Especially when you first started
That is such a good step by step video .I watched it all and I don't even have a Honda push mower.