Lyney's Big Changes & the Problem With Pyro
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0:00 Introduction & Announcement
0:58 Lyney Build Changes
3:12 C1 vs Weapon
4:24 Teams: Old & New
9:54 Pull Considerations
13:13 Value & Power
14:27 The Problem with Pyro, Arlecchino? 
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yes you can also use takfei instead of dehya/zhongli~
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Man, we need another off-field Pyro, almost all of them are either on-field or a buffer/utility.
Fr it’s literally all dps’ and the bennett😭
i'm sure they're saving it for the pyro archon. personally i think she'll be some sort of bennett xiangling hybrid
Pyro Archon... 👀
Pyro Furina would be awesome 😱
Dehya could've been one of, if not, the best off-field Pyro dps/applier, but for some reason that not even to this day I understand, they decided to turn her into one of the worst characters in the game, with a kit that even to this day barely works.
The game is over when we get a hydro claymore user who scales with HP and uses the bell
The bells' passive is cheeks. 10 seconds of uptime and 45 second cool down. Absolute trash
that substat tho
@@lamontehughes7318 The damage increase works with any shield though.
the bell is pretty good for diving exploration, since its passive can protect you from ambush attack, plus it also scales of hp which more important underwater.
I level up the weapon since it look good for freminet & help him on underwater exp, but i wont refuse if there's new chara that can utilize it on battle 👀
@@fri-cd6xy lol that's exactly what I use the bell for since I don't have the saw yet. Combined with Dehya and her hp pushed as much as possible without spending lots of mats. Put Freminet and Neuvillette on the team and underwater exploration is the most fun that it can be.
"Hu Tao vapes differently than Lyney but Lyney still vapes" 10/10 quote, amazing out of context
Klee also vapes 🙁
With the amount of pyro characters we got I think Natlan will focus on physical instead of pyro lol.
Xinyan buff?
I doubt it will focus on physical, but it would be neat if it did
I think it's more likely that we'll get that in Snezhnaya or Khaenri'ah. Snezhnaya because Superconduct is the "Physical" reaction and is strong against human enemies like the Fatui, so it makes sense in a region built around a Cryo character, (probably with off-field application,) like the Tsaritsa. And Khaenri'ah has no associated element, so it makes sense for building "element agnostic" characters like physical.
Nah I’d expect that in the cryo region since cryo has superconduct
@@normal6483it would happen in natlan though. Sumeru had more HP scalers and healers than Fontaine and Fontaine has more atk scalers than we had in pre-Sumeru, post release. So I assume Natlan would have more characters that fit Schneznaya's theme than Schneznaya. So we may see more cryo characters in Natlan and more crit boosting or scaling characters.
For people that actually main the characters, we always find ways to play them. I've played Yoimiya on Mono-Pyro, Vape, Overvape, Burning, Burgeon, Overload, Melt, and Melt/Vape/Freeze. I've seen people say they want something different for Pyro but they never elaborate. To me the only things pyro is missing is; another reliable off-field pyro applicator like Xiangling or another Bennett/Chevreuse. It's not like the DPS from other elements are anymore versatile than pyro. They're all locked into whatever reactions their elements limit them to.
Having multiple characters being able to do the same role is fine, as long as they feel different to play. In that regard all pyro DPSers so far are fine. Only Klee and Yanfei feel similar to me.
But the truly interesting characters are the ones that shake up the meta. Allowing you to play new team comps or force you play team differently. Chevreuse is the most interesting pyro character released since... well... the release of the game in my opinion. 3.x had the release of Dendro. 4.x has Furina, Xianyun and Chevreuse. I hope 5.x also has characters that open up new team options instead of just being possible replacements in existing teams. Not every character needs to do so, but a few now and then keep the game fresh.
The Fontaine craftable bow is not Finale of the Deep (that’s the sword), the bow is Song of Stillness
Good point
What? I thought Lyney had a secret tech that allows him to throw swords instead of using charge shots.
@@joe_simon That would be so on flavor LOL
Every archon so far has EXCELLENT off-field element application. If our lady of War will stay on trend we might finally get to see xiangling kicked off her throne of best pyro sub-DPS/support!
another problem to that is the pyro archon might be another on field dps which kinda redundant bec of how many pyro dps we currently have. I really do wish that the next archon will replace xiangling.
remember yelan and how she was going to replace xinque but people just ended up running both of them instead xD? yeah, expect a xiangling + pyro archon + bennet meta. Wont solve the underlying main on-field dps problem, and for sure will not overthrow xiangling from pyro teams. I feel they must release another non pyro character that can boost base ATK so we can have different reactions with the dmg increase. This will make diverse builds
@@ksvsrikar2779 Xingqui and Yelan are paired together for the atrociously high amounts of hydro application. Pyro is less useful application wise than hydro so your point isnt really relevant unless you want to foward vape lol(even then, there is burnvape)
Freemium vs premium
That's not true. The only archon with excellent off field elemental application is Nahida.
Furina's rate of application is medium and its intermittent, which can be problematic. Raiden's off field application is poor (she's just lucky hyperbloom doesn't care because it creates a new entity which lets it bypass the icd issue). Zhongli's pillars stay in one spot and can be broken. Venti doesn't have full uptime.
Imo Yoimiya does have a niche. Since her damage is respectable and her playstyle is considered rather intuitive, lots of people do not mind trading the higher damage of powerful but harder to maneuver dpses for some comfort. It might be my mobile player bias as well, but I've found her especially convenient there
Yh and she is great to farm this Artefact where i have to stay in switching places to get big buffs
And since this Artefact is op asf, ppl farm it a lot and yoimiya pumps big dmg out there
She also is the best main pyro DPS for chev overload
Cus she can stay in Bennett circle and not worry about mobs leaving the circle or getting overloaded away
I've been running Lyney, Xiangling, Bennett, and Zhongli since he came out and he's an absolute pub stomper.
Pub stomper 😂
I think the "Pyro DPS Problem" is a problem that's going to hit every niche, eventually. We have very few roles left: We don't have hydro or Anemo shielders, for example, but we shielders of every other type (if you count Beido's shield.) Eventually it will just be differences between Shielder characters, for example Layla and Diona. On the other hand, I'm encouraged by the new type of play styles brought in by Xianyun and Chevrous. Xianyun in particular is just fun, leaping into the air and doing plunge damage. If Genshin can keep that up, it will be interesting at least.
We have a Hydro Shielder already her name is Candace and she has two differently colored eyes
@@ChrisSmith-tu9buthat's not a shield, that's just a counter. The Beidou shield OP mentioned is from her c1 which provides the on field character a shield after you use her burst
I was thinking about this, a shield buffer that isn't Geo (cryo/pyro..) and has some other good ability can singlehandedly fix Geo
Sigewinne may be a hydro healer/shielder.
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu I like Candace's personality and design, but her "shield" doesn't count as a shield in a lot of ways, like Geo resonance. It would be great if she had something like Yanfei's C4, where she got an actual shield.
Having a bunch of flexible pyro main DPS options with different niches is a good thing in a vacuum, but pyro doesn't have enough characters outside of main DPS to make it so that DPS flexibility doesn't come at the expense of pyro characters filling other roles.
It would be such an easy fix if Klee's burst worked while off field, she'd been a pyro XQ then
The fact that Bennet c6 on field with Xianyun is an excelent pyro dps, kinda defets any reasons to really go for pyro dps outside loving them.
Filling other roles.
Heal - bennett.
Defensive utility - Dehya
Sub dps - Xiangling
Shielder - Yanfei , thoma.
I get that we got few characters of such, but we still got other roles fulfilled.
@@SoulLesss True, my point is more literally that we're spoiled for choice in pyro on-fielders at the expense of choice in other roles.
@@SoulLesss thomas is awfull,yanfei needs C4. Dehya is the worst character in the game. Yeah no
My main hope for Natlan is that Xbalanque and Murata finally kick Bennett and Xiangling off their lofty perch. They've had a near total chokehold on Pyro that is honestly really annoying as neither of them are particularly interesting as characters or even cool to look at. 🙏
Ntm on my boy Bennett
Bennett is such a cool character with a nice story and theories around him, not everyone has to be a mommy waifu or a tall strong husbando to be an interesting character
Both of them actually have interesting characters. I personally think some of the Xiangling voice lines are amongst the best in game.
@@justawalter9752yeah but hes ugly
@@justawalter9752 I do agree with you on the waifu/husbando thing. I do love characters that don't fit into that. Tbh I mainly dislike how dumb the 'thumbs up' thingy looks on his burst and his English VA is not my favourite.
Charged shot archers in this game feel like they are the most skill-dependent units, because your DPS heavily depends on your aiming. But at the same time, they are the most "playable" units, in terms of actually "playing" the battle as you like. You are free to pick any target, and you are less restricted with your movements (because they don't use stamina for power-attack). And the auto targeting doesn't mess with your intentions all that much. They have their downsides, as every type of character has, but for me they are the most satisfying to play.
I personally have fun playing quickswap with Lyney/Navia team with Bennett and Xiangling. Navia’s burst with crystallize gives Lyney some interruption resistance and swapping to Navia to do the skill is so much fun for me
Is it strong? 36 stars?
@@r0n1n- yeah I think so? I cleared the other side with Lynette dps 36 star 🤣
I love Lyney
We love Lyney
@@lyneyfan69We love Lyney !!!! 🪄💖
Two tips: Chevy's curation help lot with Maracheusse stacks, and Healer Furina actually make sense in somo scenarios for Lyney, and actually, its the only team where i think furina can use her two modes at full
Healer furina is for emergencies or downtime. Never in full combat.
All of the Archon so far have been off field.
Venti = Burst support.
Zhongli = Skill Support + Burst Petrification.
Raiden = Burst support + Electro Skill application.
Nahida = Skill support + Burst EM Buff.
Furina = Skill support + DMG Enhancer.
None of them are on field DPS aside from Raiden's 7 second burst. All are (In my mind) top tier supports for their element.
Raiden unless for hyperbloom is definitely an on field DPS. But it’s true that the others are all support
Lyney without a shielder is both easier and more complex than you think - If you can get one of Lyney's hats close enough to an enemy, the hat will taunt then and the enemy won't even aim at Lyney, which means that you don't get hit and are less likely to be interrupted - but some enemies (mostly bosses) are immune to taunt, some enemies have attacks that can hit you while they are aiming at the hat, some enemies will switch target to you mid-attack if the hat that taunted them stops existing, and some attacks can't target constructs and will cause the user to attack Lyney directly even while they are currently taunted by a hat (most such attacks cause some kind of marker to appear on their target, like Ruin Guard missiles).
I love his multipliers for mono pyro, can help really ramp his damage up. I’m in a situation where I can also build up a plunge Diluc for one side of the abyss, and then use Mono Lyney for another side, fun stuff!!
I hope Hu Tao reruns soon so I can do Hu Tao plunge one side and lyney overload on the other side. That's my dream abyss line-up. (I wish there were 2 Furina's so I could do lyney vape and Hu Tao plunge on either side)
The benefit of the 2pc 2pc ATK% is also Lyney being able to immediately use his burst instead of needing to charge attack first two times before burst. There’s more freedom with how you decide to do the rotation
I don't know how well Chiori works with Lyney, but I think the community slept on Chiori, highly underrated especially with vertical investment.
I wanted Chiori but lost the 50/50 😢
Apparently Lyney-Bennett-Chiori-Zhongli is a good team, but an even better team for Arlecchino too if you don't want Lyney
Well well well it's all coming full circle. I got her for a mono geo team, with itto. Pretty expensive cause I got both in the same banner F2P. I'd love to experiment with her so I'm excited to see what happens.
@@mbthewarlord5702 best banner for geo mains. I got chiori, redhorn and chiori weapon. (Won all 5050)
The problem with Chiori is that she is one of the many geo characters suitable just for geo mono teams (which, Imho, are boring), very different from Navia who can be put in almost every team. Moreover there is nothing particularly innovative about her kit, (someone has called her a reinvented Albedo) ... They say that she will eventually be in introduced in the standard banner as the geo representant so everybody is going to get her anyway sooner or later. So, no particular reason to pull for her (unless you like the character very much)
Lyney is my favorite character to just nuke the abyss he’s actually really fun for a bow ca character. I was completely uninterested in him until we met him in story and saw his gameplay, now I have his c3 and bow😭 I heard Lyney might be better than Father at the moment based on her current kit and it wouldn’t surprise me as I’m confident he’s at least the top 5 dps atm not far behind Neuvi in clear time. Very underrated and he’ll only get better once Natlan drops if they finally make better off field pyro characters that aren’t 4*💀
Important notice for Marechausse Hunter i previously found: Stacks are increasing per 5 sec if HP flows every 5 sec, but once it exceeds 5 sec, your active character will lose all stacks. It means stacks are not independent to each other, they have 1 timer, which really makes it easier to stack for Lyney and many other characters who struggling with this mechanic
My problem with lyney is that I hate all bow charge attackers except tighnari, tighnari is fun
I currently have both ganyu and lyney but i would use tighnari if i had him!
Yeah tighnar's charged attack is so smooth
@@MJAY552Especially since ganyu needs C6 (I think) to get fast shots
Lyney kinda does
But tighnari just needs his skill for it so hes more F2P freindly
Hes just standard so its hard to get him
Out of 6 other 5 stars
Facts
@@Merozixi yeah standards are hard to get sometimes. I happen to get c1 tighnari and just found out he gets free 15% crit rate in his charged attack, It's crazy
[6:44] There's C4 *Tankfei* too! 🥺
(which is already pinned here, but to explain: she *shields* on burst and may either *heal* with *Prototype Amber* or give even more ATK with TTDS... plus she can go for Noblesse, that new healing set or Maiden - which also serves to buff Chevreuse's healing further.)
Arlecchino teams are basically the same as Yoimiya teams. If Yoimiya doesn’t have a niche, neither does Arlecchino.
Lyney is amazing i pretty much use him every time when i go abyss or domains
also getting his C1 instead of arlecchino because double cat!!
Yoimiya's niche is being able to turn brain off and mash left click while everything around you dies. Very comfy character to pilot. She also works really well with Fischl and Chevreuse since her high attack speed synergizes with the c6 Oz follow ups.
awesome insight! thanks for your expertise!
I love that you are a masher - I like min maxing to a point but if rotations are too strict, I don't get to enjoy the visuals of the reactions or feel of combat as much cuz I'm too busy counting how many NAs& dash cancels I've done lol
I REALLY enjoy playing Zhongli and Chiori as a tag team! Combining them with Bennet and Lyney is a great idea 👍🏻
Thank you for this updated video on lyney, I couldn't decide if i wanted to wish for him or not now that we have furina
good luck
@@thesparklegirl3236 thanks buddy!
At least i have the guaranteed
Honestly hes definitely not worth it especially if you don't have Furina yet...and TBH Im kind of mad at myself for pulling for Neuvilette whos a much better DPS just because Furina C2 is so incredible and I only have her at C0
Good luck! I may be going for his weapon because I’ve basically become a Lyney main without realizing, lol. I think he’s fun and worth it 😊
I think this vid is pretty accurate, aside from his personal thought like the CA stuff… that is ultimately on you.
He is one of the harder unit to master but his dmg is worth it. Btw, he is one of the most popular unit in terms of speedrun in CN. The latest tournament they held for abyss speedrun… he is the #2 top pick/ban in dps category just below Neuvillete.
FIRE!!
(Literally)
Yeah the issue with all charged shot users is they often loose their DPS REGARDLESS of the interruption: because if you dodge, you still loose your charge, even if you don't get hit.
The problem of pyro is Xiangling
Facts
nope bennet
at least u can enjoy the game w bennet. circle impact isnt fun
Why is that?
@@chinocarlos537 she’s so powerful that getting an on field pyro dps isn’t necessary and isn’t recommended unless you like the gameplay.
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I know arlechino isn't out yet, but for me she seems like a huge disappointment. Not because she will be weak, but because she will be same old, same old.
I love the idea of a high risk high reward DPS, but Hu Tao is already that character... With the same weapon AND the same element.
I think it would be so much cooler, and so much more on-character if she was a off-field dps or a support.
Maybe she could keep the idea of bond of life but apply it for the whole party, and while it was active, no one could be healed except by arlechino. While the bond was above 30%, whenever the on field character attacks, she would do a follow-up pyro attack (like Raiden's) and consume some of the bond. When she used the burst, it would heal the whole party for some amount.
How cool would be the idea of arlechino holding the entire party hostage to her bond of life?
I totally agree with the sentiment. I'm less excited for Arle simply because I know I don't have the funds to get her, so I'm figuring I'll focus on Clorinde for now, but I think beyond lore, my combat focused hype for her solely lies in the fact I hope she dethrones HuTao because I'm sick of her being praised for how long she has been.
Damn time to get a 2pc 2pc now ;w; lyneys my favorite characrer and i want him to be the strongest he can be
Don’t ….it in facts weakens his damage
Do whatever works for you, you've got this! Make him strong for arlecchino's sake :3
@@toxin2366 i will make him strong for fathers sake
The Lyney - Bennett - Chiori - Zhongli you liked was actually Lyney's second most favorite team last Abyss. The reason is pretty clear in that Xiangling has to actually vape to out damage two doll Chiori. Chiori with Zhongli also adds Geo resonance with the damage bonus for Lyney.
I think the main reason for there being no Bennett or xianling alternative is that hoyo with some more recent exceptions really doesn’t like to make characters that are out right better than others at least in genshin, how do you make a unit that is only sometimes or usually better better than either of those two who are the most versatile pyro options right now?
I think for Bennett it needs to be a xingu vs yelan type deal where the newer gives even more damage but no healing(similar to yelans damage buff but non of xingu defensive utility), as for xianling, maybe a skill based off fielder to not have energy issues or a pyro aplicater that applies a lot of pyro but does it in many hits making them worse for vaping there own hits
We need more/better pyro supports.
A dedicated off field pyro applicator THAT IS NOT BURST DEPENDENT would be a huge QoL update for the element.
Beard looks good on you. Also, great video :)
Maybe they're holding off the different combinations for pyro since Natlan has not released yet. We may receive different types of pyro when it release.
honestly, the only way i see Pyro Archon being a good off fielder is for her to be this fusion of Bennett and Xiangling.... as for the Pyro Suvreign, they're probably going to be another dps
could easily be, though I'd bet the archon won't come with a heal.
She can't be both because then you'd just play her with bennet on lyney team
im so happy got i chiori
So many pyro dps and we havent even reach the pyro nation yet 😢.
I was cheering for lyney to be a pyro subdps that can replace XL but hoyo hv to go and make him a dps to compete with his father but well at least he is one of the strongest (if u can play him well)
I don't mind them making pyro the element with a lot of on field DPS. I'm just incredibly angry they haven't made any proper character the can apply pyro off field well, so we finally have an alternative to Xiangling. They can absolutely make the pyro archon (and sovereign if we get that) an off field/support character, if they apply pyro well from off field, that will make them incredibly good. That's just how bad they've been at balancing the roles within pyro. I never though of Chevreuse as a DPS, is that just me or did I misheard..? Anyway, just my opinion, but I think she's the best pyro character we've had since Hu Tao. Not for her damage, but for what she brings to the element itself.
Finally someone that shows a non-Bennett team in their Liney guide video xD
I was actually thinking on this exact team (but instead of Yae, I was considering Kuki, because I thought electro subdps would override the pyro aura, and with Kuki's skill I would be able to walk in an out of enemy range to apply electro when needed).
Anyways, I don't have Chevreuse C6, but this team seems very nice to play and I'd like to try someday xD
I also have built every single character (bar klee who is the only one im missing, been playing since nov 28th 2020)
Because marechausse was not as consistent on him is why I use the lava set on Lyney its like having his passive doubled which is way more efective and more quickswap friendly to use .
I also think it might be fun to use Lyney as a quick swap pyro support and use the arrow shots for a bit of off field dmg too.
Favonius Bow/ Elegy of the end
The Exile/ Noblesse oblige
In case you already have lyney and want to use it with father as his pyro battery sub quickswap dps.
Also the way you abuse yoimiya its with summons, throw all your off fields one each second after the other so they overlap for the icds then yoimiya burst. an interesting combination is layla ,Fischl, yao yao
I always love Lyney as a 5 star character
I didn't know how frustrating Lyney is to play when I got him and I honestly hate him lol. I would probably enjoy him more at c1, but without a shield I can't play him at all. Props to you for mentioning this in your video, so people are aware before pulling for him.
That Chiori team sounds super comfy, too bad I don't have her, I would have loved to try it.
thats good to know. thanks for sharing honestly. Also. do u play on pc or mobile
I think playing a CA Bow unit without a shielder unless you're very skilled is kind of a requirement, we're not lacking good shielders and IR units for him anyway
I wonder if the new burning set would be good for him
I myself don't think it'd be great but I'm sure you could make it work :3
i am surprised there was no mention of animation cancels for lyney (og ganyu technique), it's a significant dps and comfort boost.
How's this done? Never had to do that for a bow character x3
@@toxin2366 Don't use aiming mode (R). Instead, hold basic atk, release as soon as the arrow charges, hold again a moment (1 frame) later. Repeat.
For now Lyney is strongest pyro 5 star ! Until we see how strong this new 5 star pyro character is
jello my guy, lyney's feels terrible in this abyss it's because of the abyss, even c0 neuvillette will feel bad with no resistance to interruption in this abyss, like ya his resistance to interruption is a problem but it's for every other character for this abyss, it's not just a lyney problem is what i mean to say
He's like a update of Yoimiya, I suppose? Yoimiya costed me quite a bit of gems, but she is pretty good. But who knows, we may get the sovereigns even from the already released nations, like Cloud Retainer taking human form.
Daily reminder that you can increase your amount of Party Slots from 10 to 15.
Also, nice video! I quite liked your takes.
party slots? u mean amount of teams?
I plan to pull for Arlecchino, even tho I already have both Hu Tao and Yoimiya bc I already 36* stars abyss regularly. I don't care if she's gonna improve my account.
While I agree that Pyro DPSes overlap each other a lot, I think it's also nice for a character not to lock in 1 specific team. From the detail in live stream, I think I'm gonna put Arlecchino in Chevreuse team with Fischl and Beidou. I know Bennett buff her atk a lot but bc she can't get heal from Bennett's burst and Bennett apply pyro to her and she might get 1 shot by some bosses.
I hope that natlan does something interesting with pyro
i love lyney sm got him and his weapon on his 1st banner and now im going for cons! happy to hear he can have more teams than mono pyro! ill try overloaded when i get cheveruse
and i play him without shielder, at first i had a lot of skill issue (ive never played ca bow users before him) but now mono pyro lyney is my comfiest and strongest team
I also play him without shielder and I dont hv any problem. You just need a bit of proficiency with him and u can take out shield no prob.
We have already had a chance of testing Lyney and I agree 100% that he is not easy to play without interruption resistance... Wait, isn't it the same about C1 Neuvillette? :) These guys are so easy to knock down. :(
it's different for neuvillette in my opinion. i just got his c3, but i've been using c0 since his first banner, and i can count on one hand the number of times i've been staggered during his charged attack. his movement speed while charging/attacking is already fast (pretty sure it's exactly running speed), so he can kite most enemy attacks by himself
@@baizhu Congrats on C3. The "trial" Neuvillette I could use was easily knocked down, I always miss when aiming with his charged attack. Not a character I can play, sorry.
3:05 Finale of the Deep is a sword, the craftable you mean is Song of Stillness
Said it right, i guess they gonna change things in natlan
I actually use yanfei as a shielder for my Lyney team. She always has her ult up in the rotation and it will keep triple pyro.
Yoimiya's great at overvape with all the off-fielders who trigger off normal attacks. Breaks shields brilliantly even without Zhongli.
Maybe use Kuki (full EM) in the overload team
it is an easy way to heal Lyney back to get 5 stacks for his skill and it helps with keeping the marechaussee hunter 4 piece bonus.
If you have c4 Kuki then she can apply electro (every 5s) with Lyney's attacks too.
It may not be the best Lyney team, but I use: Lyney (C1, Marechaussee), Chevreuse (C0, Noblesse), Xiangling (C6, Emblem), Kuki (C6, Guilded dreams)
It has a fast cleartime for me without resets
He's already testing arlecchino 👀👀👀
my current fav Lyney is Lyney Double Geo (Chiori Zhong Li). It’s super comfy to play.
I agree with your hopes about a pyro Sovereign as well as an Archon. I really hope they become a new "theme" of characters (and go back and do Anemo/Geo/etc.)
I am a Lyney main. The comfiest Lyney team for me consists of Bennet, Xiangling and Baizhu. I used mono Pyro for quite a long time so dodging while charging is not a big problem. Baizhu provides constant burgeon demage and a lot of healing. Maybe there is someone else who'd also enjoy this team:3
We have 2 great C4 characters for this element. Bennett and Xiangling. They can pretty much do anything you want for pyro characters: buff and have a good sub-dps off-field. They fit in any team, you don't need a pyro DPS unless you really love the character.
Wished Lyney had a quick-charge level 2, like Tighnari.
Also I have been trying to decide between getting Lyney right now or getting Wanderer
They are both my favorites and I already prefarmed everything for wanderer but still-
What should I do?
Kinda crazy that neuvilette reran before lyney
I feel the need to comment in regards to Chiori, I love her. She is a favorite of mine.
I can hardly want to power-wash Natlan with my newly obtained Neuvillette 😃🚿
watch them make hydro immune enemies lmao
As you said the pyro squad does the same thing,but they all do it differently so if a player for example is not a fan of hutaos ca cancel playstyle they can do diluc plunge or yanfei/klee etc.
its good to have options(assume the player has the characters/can pull them).
Yoimiya really is....niche,she isnt bad but very restricted to single target/2 targets per wave at most,if there are 3 or more enemys per wave her dmg just cant keep up.but if the conditions are right she can really pull her weight.given that she is the only real "ranged" pyro dps she does have the benefit of having the option to put space between herself and the enemy,unlike tao or diluc who need to be in cqc range.
As far as i been told Arlecchino will play similar to yoimiya but has some really good range for a melee unit,i for one look forward in using her in my yelan/xingqiu/xianyun plunge team without the need to spam ca ala hutao or in my chev team with beidou/fischl or yae.
But...Yoimiya isn't the only ranged DPS. Lyney is also a bow user and hits enemies right across domains 🤔
@@hazardsigns didnt know how to word it better thats why i put it in "" yes lyney is also ranged thats given but i was going by the non ca "ranged".
I know you priotise comfort and enjoyment but a tip I'd give is that you don't have to max out his stacks its really better to just use his bust and skill immediately after using your supports abilities this is because they get all the buffs you current have and act as huge nukes but with constantly charge attacking by the time you use your burst and skill you lose your buffs which is a big damage loss. This is move is also better gameplay wise as you're doing less charged attacks which means less stress with teams without zhongli. You only really need to do about 2 charge attacks per rotation.
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To me because the pyro region is coming out, all Pyro characters from now till the Archon is release that isn't a Support, will be obsolete. Why? Because you know the Archon will be better than all top Fire units in support and maybe in DPS, and if not DPS wise, the Archon will have a unit like Alhaitham/Neuvillette who will be overpower as DPS to pair with the Archon.
I use diluc and lyney as my dpses, while xiangling when I need something off field.
I got c1 lyney today on my birthday. So he’s c1r1 now. I will wait for the pyro archon. I expect them to buff lyney.
My main team is Lyney/Chevy. It’s definitely not easy but the neuron activation on those damage numbers make it worth it.
Pyro Archon and Pyro Sovereign ahead yessirrr i think skipping arlecchino wont be as bad as i thought
Aside cool animations and new mechanics she doesn’t have much to offer anyways. And thats the case with every new on fielders.
I got Yoimiya very late as I was waiting to have an overflow of primos and/or get her early and not go to pity since I already had Klee and HuTao - but at the time I got her she actually did a bit better than HuTao in a number of Abyss chambers.
Since Furina and Xianyun however .. HuTao is just ridiculously op. During Xianyun dps she even stomped my R1 Neuvilette, with a Deathmatch.
Yoi still absolutely fine for bosses or waves with few enemies, but if there's 3+ enemy waves, resistances, shields, or aggressive enemies she drops off hard.
Tried her in current Abyss side 1 and it was painful. Doable, but only if side 2 carried pretty hard.
But! Yoimiya is very nice for floor 9, 10, sometimes 11 as very few dps can kill enemies spread over the entire arena that quickly, so at least a QoL pick to get the fluff chambers out of the way.
I love "Xbalanque" name... in mayan and spanish speaking sounds so good
i might actually build burgeon thoma because he's the only pyro dps that actually does something different with pyro.
I hope Natlan brings more pyro supports instead of dps, though I've already seen leaks about at least 1 pyro dps that's supposedly Neuvillette level. I just hope the archon is like Furina/Nahida, and provides consistent pyro application and buffs. I want to bench Bennett. I can deal with the circles, but that doesn't mean I want to..
I love Lyney sm, he's my boy and easily my most favorite
I can't wait to see if he gets buffed in Natlan
Your last section nailed it for me. I don't have a pyro dps on my acct despite plenty of other good teams. So Arlecchino will fill that role and I won't need another. Kind of sad.
are we sure that running 2pc 2pc is better in a kazuha team comp? don't we get enough pyro damage from him (1k+em) and the goblet?
considering that him with sig/aqua is gonna have a LOT of cdmg, i really think that crate is a way more valuable stat?
but i trust your calculations more than mine, so please let me know!
Lyney Bennett Zhongli and albedo where you stand on the flower is my most comfy/fav team. I wish I had Dehya 😭
When we first time hear arlecchino release they were saying arlecchino is good with chevruse and that felt like pyro had good future but now she is more like hu tao sidegrade...
And they should make an off-field character for pyro element that buffs pyro-swirl reaction(or maybe an artifact set) since mono pyro teams with kazuha is so good. Kazuha as main dps might have a chance to have a good upgrade with both burning reactions. I think burn dmg does so less dmg idk much of it tho. Overload and burning does nothing good as a reaction compared to others tbh so they should make chevruse-like characters more often or artifact sets but kazuha must be in that team or maybe venti even
Pyro element is more like a buffer instead elemental reaction dmg in current situation. They can increase buffing further or they can fix these reactions, i heard new burning artifact set is coming but idk how good that could be
im in a feeling natlan might have a phoenix feature that revives party member with their ultimate like barbara but in every 20 secs, natlan archon might have that feature cuz archons are all support so far.
17:20 wait wait wait, hol up. So you say that phys plunge Lyney with Bennett, Xinyan and Xianyun is not viable???
thats what im wondering too!! Maybe it's better if you put yelan instead of xinyan?
@@catserfer4753 you lose lyney mono pyro stack and phys res shred for ramping damage bonus and off field yelan damage, which doesn't react to phys. That is if you weave normal attacks between plunges.
I need to warn that this is totally meme team comp, but it has enough synergy so it is not totally "I just slapped 4 random units" cringe team comp.
Is the “bond of life” mechanic gonna be the theme of future Natlan character or just only tied to the Fatui ?
Mh should get significantly better if you can hit 76 crit rate (100% with 2 stacks instead of 3). And don't forget Benny/Chevreuse heals give you a stack, so in practice it's only 2 shots to max out the crit rate buff. C1 also helps with area coverage. For pyro as a whole, save us from OPPA, Murata
Yoimiya is good now with chevreuse.
The Liyue Chest Bow Messenger is a good F2P Style Bow with Crit dmg and atk with some Charged atk bonus dmg
Liyue chest bow? Where and which chest in Liyue can we find it?
@@kofabillion any chest in liyue above common I think its name is "Messenger" its not that rare but be ready for alot of halberds and twin neferite to get it R5(Chenyu vale and Chasm are included)
Yeah I use Yanfei and Hu Tao and so didn't see the point of pulling Arleccino or Lyney. I see it as a good thing since I can stack wishes for other characters
I have Hu Tao and Yoimiya, but every time I need pyro I just use Xl or C6 Benny