In the film industry the Job is called Highspeed Operator. The Demand is already there. Get to know industry standard cameras like the phantom high-speed cameras. It really helps to be on film sets in generell. Get to know work flows in the camera department, since these are the same Workflows on high paid commercials. Work as AC and get to know camera accessories (maybe even work in a movie rental) and you’ll be able to specialise in commercial work and being a highspeed Operator. :)
Thank You guys for another interesting review! Love the idea just hope the next version has more dynamic range or at least it lets us choose to sacrifice frame rate for dynamic range
Awesome review - thanks for taking the time to create this. Made me happy to see you loved the things we wanted people to love - small, simple, fast, fun!
Lovely. Wonderfully detailed coverage. The short clip of a knight falling off his horse gets a thumbs-up for appropriate use of high frame rates - really fun shot! Freefly has always been a fascinating company. Well worth visiting their channel.
Great review!! I’ve had mine for a few months and absolutely love it!! I just wish the files would transfer faster. It takes hours to move all the footage to my computer
Wish there was a way to do burst shooting for 2-4 seconds like how the Chronos does it. But then the trade off is waiting to shoot again while the footage gets offloaded from the RAM to storage.
5120x2880@600fps and open gate @360fps seem like essentially the perfect use cases for this camera. You get the full width of the sensor at anywhere from 25x (24fps) to 10x (60fps) slow-mo with a global shutter and pretty damn good dynamic range. Basketball/football/baseball slow-mo shots, anyone?
I think a really easy way Freefly could differentiate themselves from the market would be to include a log profile. Right now, by virtue of only supporting HLG and Rec709 profiles, it can't really be well-supported by any color management pipeline. When I've emailed their support team, they didn't seem to understand the value of a log profile even though it's just as easy for them to implement as any other in-camera picture profile, and would enable a lot of high end workflows with this camera. Hell, Phantom RAW's color management support is broken in Resolve and has some tone mapping built in. Freefly could literally outperform their only competitor in this aspect and it's just a firmware adjustment.
Tbh the argument that they can't design a log profile that has the right noise levels for them is bogus. I'll happily design their log profile for free if they want.
Cinematic looks are achieved by film crews with departments like light, grip, costume etc. the camera is really not the key to making things look “cinematic”. :)
Great with global shutter and high frame rates. Pity with maximum 2 stop over or under exposure.
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overall i am super hyped about the ember and i wish cvp could make a comparison of the ember the wave and the chronos 2.1 mabe even an phantom and the Edgertronic and so on it would be soooo cool because i still think that i buy the cat in the bag since i can not test it myself
Offload speeds top out at 260MB/s... It's difficult to describe how limiting this is on a TV/Film set where these are beginning to pop up. Being able to turn footage around rapidly is absolutely critical. Massive drawback imo.
They need to design a function that lets you instantly delete anything behind one minute of recording .. over and over again - while you’re waiting for a bird to fly away 😂
I've been dying to test out this camera. The footage looks really great overall! With such low ISO options, did you guys even need to use ND filters when shooting outside? I imagine in a studio setting you need to throw ridiculous amounts of light at this sensor, and no chance in hell that it is usable in any low light environment. Also did you mess around with the shutter angle? I assume the 180 rule doesn't really apply here since you aren't going to want any sort of motion blur in super slow motion footage.
@@thatcherfreeman Interesting, I hadn't thought of it from that angle. But you're right, I have seen slow motion footage that seemed to stutter, and maybe this is why.
@@DynamicPhil84 There is one thing to watch out for, which is that if some footage is shot at say, 1200fps, but the editor decided later that 240fps was sufficient, then they'll effectively be slowing down the clips by 10x instead of the 50x that's possible with the footage. Depending on the retiming algorithm used, they may just be dropping all frames except for every fifth frame, which would give the appearance of footage taken with a 72 degree shutter angle or less. One alternative I'm experimenting with, if you're not sure what speed you want to play back the footage but can shoot very high framerates and have cheap storage, is that you could shoot at a 360 degree shutter at a high speed. Then, if you later want to play it back faster, you can blend and drop an appropriate number of frames and simulate a variety of shutter speeds so it's not choppy.
@@thatcherfreeman We live in 2023 mate. Not in 1923. 24 fps looks like crap. Even the Lord of the Rings movie with the pan over the attacking hordes stuttered like mad shit because of the stupid 24 fps. Thankfully they went to 48 fps for the 4th movie.
If you put your project framerate to 50p, the HDMI can not output 50p? How about sensitivity of the sensor: with the same lux, does the ember at 400 ISO and the Raptor at 800 ISO have the same T-stop on the lens to expose for middle gray?
I got a pro res file from a freefly ember test shoot - it was in LT - is there also a HQ setting?
11 месяцев назад
hear me out: dual sensor design for slowmo cams. Minolta already made a dual sensor cam and multi sensor cameras were also a thing beack in the days. Maybe the time has come for revisiting old tech like this. You can either use two identical sensors and use median mixing methods to cut down the noise so much that the shadows get more usable or a second version with an nd to create a hdr image or at least to make up for the loss of dynamic range ...
There's probably great value in using the two sensors to make an HDR composite and extending the dynamic range, but taking the mean between two equal ISO images might not lower the noise significantly. That's because you're sending half the light to each sensor, which will increase noise by one stop and then taking the mean will bring you back to the original noise levels as if you had one sensor.
11 месяцев назад
@@thatcherfreeman like i said it is a either or situation, either expanding the dynamic range by creating an hdr composite or by doubling the the signal and use the mix of both signals to reduce the noise, this can also expand the dynamic range slightly because less noise means more usable underexposed stops
I see clear stuttering in the slowmotion footage from 0:12 to 1:12 - Is that on my side or is there something wrong with your video? Wrong framerates etc?
No issues in the rendered file our end, I can maybe see a little bit of what you are referring to. My guess would be RUclips compression being as awful as ever. Jake
@@Louishouiller That's a hard question to answer. Everyone's situation may be different. I'd say if you have clients that would pay you for that type of footage, then it could be worth it. If 120fps is enough slow motion for you, then definitely don't get the Ember since the dynamic range isn't as good as a lot of other cameras with 120fps.
just checked the price...$15,000... are you having a laugh?! Sorry, but...who do you think is watching this YT channel?! This camera is a toy for the absolute top-end of Hollywood DoPs and while they might find this video interesting, c'mon fellas, at least 90% of the audience here will never use or need such an expensive luxury. I can't imagine EVER needing such a tool and would never consider spending that kind of cash on such frippery. I can make several TV shows for Africa and Asia for that amount of money...
Our videos are aimed to be appealing to everyone. Educational for people wanting to buy the camera (we've sold a good few of them), people who may rent one and want to know more about it and people who may never touch one, but are interested to learn more about new cameras and see what it can do. Just because you don't think you'll ever use this camera, doesn't mean that someone else may find use for it. It's a very niche camera, but a very interesting one that we wanted to share with our viewers and customers. Jake
@@RUclips_can_ESAD You're quite right of course and I think my attitude stems from the fact I am in S.E Asia, catering to the - ahem- budget end of the market lol. I make low-cost shows for regional TV stations across Asia and Africa and I guess I am completely out of touch with what's happening in the 'real' proper TV world, as it were. One can become submerged in one's local culture to the exclusion of all others sometimes, I guess I lost focus on the bigger picture. On the good side....its nice to know its not just me that reads these comment sections and have the decency to reply!
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Let us know what you think of the Freefly Ember S5K down below and what you would want to shoot at these incredible frame rates!!
I'd buy one for about $200
0:53 that shot is just insane
I love the idea of specializing in super slomo shooting, but I have no idea how to get paid for it
Create your own demand
@@SolelyElectricthat’s called a hobby
In the film industry the Job is called Highspeed Operator. The Demand is already there. Get to know industry standard cameras like the phantom high-speed cameras. It really helps to be on film sets in generell. Get to know work flows in the camera department, since these are the same Workflows on high paid commercials. Work as AC and get to know camera accessories (maybe even work in a movie rental) and you’ll be able to specialise in commercial work and being a highspeed Operator. :)
Thank You guys for another interesting review! Love the idea just hope the next version has more dynamic range or at least it lets us choose to sacrifice frame rate for dynamic range
Awesome review - thanks for taking the time to create this. Made me happy to see you loved the things we wanted people to love - small, simple, fast, fun!
I’m glad that they’re still making improvements. Good news for those who have it.
Lovely. Wonderfully detailed coverage. The short clip of a knight falling off his horse gets a thumbs-up for appropriate use of high frame rates - really fun shot! Freefly has always been a fascinating company. Well worth visiting their channel.
Fantastic little beast and the footage looked very good in slo-mo. Love the simplicity of the menu too.
Great review!! I’ve had mine for a few months and absolutely love it!! I just wish the files would transfer faster. It takes hours to move all the footage to my computer
Wish there was a way to do burst shooting for 2-4 seconds like how the Chronos does it. But then the trade off is waiting to shoot again while the footage gets offloaded from the RAM to storage.
I pretty much rely on your channel for new camera updates and trustable analysis at this point
. Another brilliant video!!
Lar Von Trier gonna love this
😂😂😂😂 you right!! I love him.
You cleaned up all the shots beautifully. This is a really cool one trick pony. Impressed.
5120x2880@600fps and open gate @360fps seem like essentially the perfect use cases for this camera. You get the full width of the sensor at anywhere from 25x (24fps) to 10x (60fps) slow-mo with a global shutter and pretty damn good dynamic range. Basketball/football/baseball slow-mo shots, anyone?
Lovely images at those frame rates. I'd love to have one of these!
Image quality seems solid. Impressive
informative content Thanks CVP.
Underated camera this is awesome
Thanks for the sensor information.
I think a really easy way Freefly could differentiate themselves from the market would be to include a log profile. Right now, by virtue of only supporting HLG and Rec709 profiles, it can't really be well-supported by any color management pipeline. When I've emailed their support team, they didn't seem to understand the value of a log profile even though it's just as easy for them to implement as any other in-camera picture profile, and would enable a lot of high end workflows with this camera.
Hell, Phantom RAW's color management support is broken in Resolve and has some tone mapping built in. Freefly could literally outperform their only competitor in this aspect and it's just a firmware adjustment.
Tbh the argument that they can't design a log profile that has the right noise levels for them is bogus. I'll happily design their log profile for free if they want.
13:15 I actually prefer HDMI, just because of the pain with the outdated SDI protocol.
I wish they upgrade de the Wave, and fix the Dynamic range, and banding problems, it was almost perfect for the price range.
I reckon the picture out of this looks more cinematic than most cameras on the market.
Cinematic looks are achieved by film crews with departments like light, grip, costume etc. the camera is really not the key to making things look “cinematic”. :)
Great with global shutter and high frame rates. Pity with maximum 2 stop over or under exposure.
overall i am super hyped about the ember and i wish cvp could make a comparison of the ember the wave and the chronos 2.1 mabe even an phantom and the Edgertronic and so on it would be soooo cool because i still think that i buy the cat in the bag since i can not test it myself
Offload speeds top out at 260MB/s... It's difficult to describe how limiting this is on a TV/Film set where these are beginning to pop up. Being able to turn footage around rapidly is absolutely critical. Massive drawback imo.
If this thing could take RF lenses I’d buy two
Hey Freefly... astrophotography??? What's the base/native ISO(s)? This would be AMAZING for planetary astro!
Why is the hell would they not include pre-record?! Thats about the most obvious feature to not overlook
They need to design a function that lets you instantly delete anything behind one minute of recording .. over and over again - while you’re waiting for a bird to fly away 😂
They announced a new optional SSD that will enable a pre-record function on this camera last month!! Jake
I've been dying to test out this camera. The footage looks really great overall! With such low ISO options, did you guys even need to use ND filters when shooting outside? I imagine in a studio setting you need to throw ridiculous amounts of light at this sensor, and no chance in hell that it is usable in any low light environment. Also did you mess around with the shutter angle? I assume the 180 rule doesn't really apply here since you aren't going to want any sort of motion blur in super slow motion footage.
You may still want motion blur in slow motion footage, otherwise fast moving objects will still stutter across the screen when slowed down to 24fps.
@@thatcherfreeman Interesting, I hadn't thought of it from that angle. But you're right, I have seen slow motion footage that seemed to stutter, and maybe this is why.
@@DynamicPhil84 There is one thing to watch out for, which is that if some footage is shot at say, 1200fps, but the editor decided later that 240fps was sufficient, then they'll effectively be slowing down the clips by 10x instead of the 50x that's possible with the footage. Depending on the retiming algorithm used, they may just be dropping all frames except for every fifth frame, which would give the appearance of footage taken with a 72 degree shutter angle or less.
One alternative I'm experimenting with, if you're not sure what speed you want to play back the footage but can shoot very high framerates and have cheap storage, is that you could shoot at a 360 degree shutter at a high speed. Then, if you later want to play it back faster, you can blend and drop an appropriate number of frames and simulate a variety of shutter speeds so it's not choppy.
@@thatcherfreeman
We live in 2023 mate.
Not in 1923.
24 fps looks like crap.
Even the Lord of the Rings movie with the pan over the attacking hordes stuttered like mad shit because of the stupid 24 fps.
Thankfully they went to 48 fps for the 4th movie.
@@FutureChaosTV what did you think about how Avatar 2 looked?
2:05 - I'm not an expert, but I don't think that's how you make coffee
We keep trying using this method and have only had bad results. Fingers crossed we crack it at some point! Thanks for watching, Jake ;)
Pretty little phantom
Is that a sony f35 teaser for a video on it when discussing classic cameras 😊 😊 😊
I think sony is gonna buy these guys and put extreme frame rates into their s&q modes for a new cini line
No support for Display port 2.1. Vastly superior to the consumer based HDMI has to offer.
Do you think the Nikon Z8 is a viable camera for filmmaking
Sure, there are lots of videos online you can check to confirm it’s capabilities
@@winngh just saw that it can do 8k 60 raw?? And ProRes raw internally, that’s some crazy specs
Why did they make the SSD internal? I don't need USB C Recording but let me access the M.2.
But not my problem since I probably can never afford one.
If you put your project framerate to 50p, the HDMI can not output 50p?
How about sensitivity of the sensor: with the same lux, does the ember at 400 ISO and the Raptor at 800 ISO have the same T-stop on the lens to expose for middle gray?
I got a pro res file from a freefly ember test shoot - it was in LT - is there also a HQ setting?
hear me out: dual sensor design for slowmo cams. Minolta already made a dual sensor cam and multi sensor cameras were also a thing beack in the days. Maybe the time has come for revisiting old tech like this. You can either use two identical sensors and use median mixing methods to cut down the noise so much that the shadows get more usable or a second version with an nd to create a hdr image or at least to make up for the loss of dynamic range ...
Using a dichromatic mirror system? It was bulky :)
Would't that be very bulky? Like going from color film back to Technicolor.
@@zwete Not really, almost every camcorder and ENG cam in the 80s and 90s were 3ccd
There's probably great value in using the two sensors to make an HDR composite and extending the dynamic range, but taking the mean between two equal ISO images might not lower the noise significantly. That's because you're sending half the light to each sensor, which will increase noise by one stop and then taking the mean will bring you back to the original noise levels as if you had one sensor.
@@thatcherfreeman like i said it is a either or situation, either expanding the dynamic range by creating an hdr composite or by doubling the the signal and use the mix of both signals to reduce the noise, this can also expand the dynamic range slightly because less noise means more usable underexposed stops
4:56 i wonder if that hurt
How much?
Does somebody have a nice LUT for the HLG Beta?
I see clear stuttering in the slowmotion footage from 0:12 to 1:12 - Is that on my side or is there something wrong with your video? Wrong framerates etc?
No issues in the rendered file our end, I can maybe see a little bit of what you are referring to. My guess would be RUclips compression being as awful as ever. Jake
this is meant for studio slowmo
I'm already out of kidneys to sell :(.
1000fps max? How disappointing...its nowhere near actual high-speeds.
I love the Ember! Here's my experience with it: ruclips.net/video/lQGRMP5yr7s/видео.html
is it worth the 15k price tag tho
@@Louishouiller That's a hard question to answer. Everyone's situation may be different. I'd say if you have clients that would pay you for that type of footage, then it could be worth it. If 120fps is enough slow motion for you, then definitely don't get the Ember since the dynamic range isn't as good as a lot of other cameras with 120fps.
Way too expensive imo 😂
just checked the price...$15,000... are you having a laugh?! Sorry, but...who do you think is watching this YT channel?! This camera is a toy for the absolute top-end of Hollywood DoPs and while they might find this video interesting, c'mon fellas, at least 90% of the audience here will never use or need such an expensive luxury. I can't imagine EVER needing such a tool and would never consider spending that kind of cash on such frippery. I can make several TV shows for Africa and Asia for that amount of money...
Our videos are aimed to be appealing to everyone. Educational for people wanting to buy the camera (we've sold a good few of them), people who may rent one and want to know more about it and people who may never touch one, but are interested to learn more about new cameras and see what it can do. Just because you don't think you'll ever use this camera, doesn't mean that someone else may find use for it. It's a very niche camera, but a very interesting one that we wanted to share with our viewers and customers. Jake
well, you dont have to buy it... rent it 🤘🤘 same story goes with red, arri...
@@CVPTV fair enough, thanks for replying. Who knows, maybe one day I will rent one perhaps lol.
@@swanvictor887Just because you can’t imagine the market for this Camera, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
@@RUclips_can_ESAD You're quite right of course and I think my attitude stems from the fact I am in S.E Asia, catering to the - ahem- budget end of the market lol. I make low-cost shows for regional TV stations across Asia and Africa and I guess I am completely out of touch with what's happening in the 'real' proper TV world, as it were. One can become submerged in one's local culture to the exclusion of all others sometimes, I guess I lost focus on the bigger picture.
On the good side....its nice to know its not just me that reads these comment sections and have the decency to reply!
Overpriced, overhyped.
Freely? True 5k? Nah...
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