How to Use Nightshade Art Software
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- How to poison AI data training sets with your own art using Nightshade. A thorough review with before and afters.
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00:42 Glaze 2.0 improvements
00:48 Difference between Glaze and Nightshade
01:49 How to get Nightshade Anti AI
02:10 How to install Nightshade Anti AI
03:04 How Nightshade Anti AI works
05:00 How to use Nightshade Anti AI
06:03 Nightshade Anti AI intensity comparisons
07:06 Your artwork has already been scraped
08:40 How to post your nightshaded artwork
08:56 Exploited workers behind AI
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Let's use this on Any Photo/Image we put up online, not just our artwork.
That's what I thought immediately.
YES specially with meta being a btch with our info + images
Facts
I’ll upload poisoned images on instagram
This is honestly terrifying. Artists should be free to create the art they love, and pursue careers in this industry, worry-free. No one needs this anxiety.
Its an arms race. Companies don't think simply selling our interests and data is enough anymore, they're taking everything we post now.
The situation sucks for sure, but we already had this same issue with tracers, at least now we have tools to fight back unlike back then, the ai bros are just lazier tracers, so what do you think is going tk happen when their training model eventually goes to shit? Some of them may try again, but as time goes on more and more images will be poisoned and yeah they may develop countermeasures but we won't be far behind either, and as it goes on the hype for Ai will die down and the people who use it will reduce significantly as it now takes them extra effort to make a model actually work, which is a win in my books. Sorry for the long rant but in the end I just wanna sayz, we'll be fine
@@mroxkral7276 i sincerely hope so
@@mroxkral7276 good point. But we also gotta make sure the pressure from the artists' nightshading their images is there and doesn't die down with time. It should be normalized and integrated into social platforms like some already do. The more people using it the better, and it's brilliant.
@@ambiouse I think this is already happening, if I'm not mistaking commission platforms like vgen already use night shade (I remember hearing about it but can't confirm) and new coming artist are absolutely going to start using protective tools, especially considering that their artstyle will become their identity assuming that Ai slop manages to be more and more common.
I still can’t believe this is the world we live in. I’ve been a professional artist for 20 years, and never did I ever expect this is what we’d experience. Thank you for this video. ❤
It's my pleasure and same. Definitely not the robot apocalypse I imagined.
I envy you.
These recent issues make me wish I could've been born way ealier.
Even if glaze o and nightshade can be detected, that would still mean the AI won't use your art, because it's probably non trivial to get rid of, so in either case it's good.
Ya, ai bros seem kinda lazy so the more steps for them to have to take to steal art the better
If they can detect it that doesn’t protect your art from begging used. Some people like the defectiveness glazed and nightshaed art does to Ai stuff.
Sure but that protects it from being used as intended.
@@tigers3748 yeah destroying models that illegitimately use people's art world be cooler for sure...
@@Not_Even_WrongThat’s like saying using a reference is the same as tracing. The AI is just learning the same way humans do.
Not being a professional artist, what a fun way to help them! Thanks for the tip, I can't wait to start generating high intensity poison pics 😁
As someone in both IT and art, I find AI generation to be abhorrent, greedy, and immoral. Unfortunately, this is how it goes with era defining technology, our laws and safeguards are often reactive rather than proactive. We will likely win this fight in the long run and in no small part due to tactics like these. The general public already are rejecting AI generated images, the new toy shine has worn for most.
The general public is rejecting it? What sample of "the general public" are you using when coming to this conclusion. I'd heavily re-think that.
Everyone is an artist. And "IT" ppl don't rlly need to understand AI. I see a lot of people engage in these convos and desperately attempt to validate their opinions instead of using reasoning
Respectfully, laws aren't reactive or proactive, they are selectively enforced. That is the point of law- to benefit one subsection of people at the expense of others. If you or I had done what these degenerative AI companies did we'd be prosecuted under copyright law. That the first reaction of government wasn't to prosecute, and that a lot of them are subsidized whether directly or indirectly through the Federal Reserve banking system, should tell you a lot.
@@tigers3748 "That is the point of law- to benefit one subsection of people at the expense of others" How can you possibly think this? There are *arguably* examples of laws this could describe, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't actually think this is true. *nurder, *grape, and *parson are punishable by law as they should be, and are not formulated the way you say.
@@digitalclown2008 And what opinion, exactly, are you desperately attempting to validate with this comment? Not everyone is an artist. That's like saying "Everyone is an athlete" it's patently false.
@@quadconjurer The administrators of law itself are proof of this- you would be put in prison for doing what a judge does. More practically, the throngs of economic regulations in each registrar are impossible to enforce consistently, so they are forced selectively. They are paid for their functions through expropriating wealth from you.
I honestly dont see much of a difference with the nightshaded final piece. I think because the artist is the one most intensely looking at their own work the differences look extremely obvious but to me it just looks like some slight extra texture was added- like how some people make the digital canvas look more like paper etc I kind of like it!
You're probably right. I know how it's supposed to look, and the pains I took to get it that way, but others probably won't notice.
The unnecessary texture probably confuses the ai
Look into adversarial images, very funny topic, hint: Using these, you can make an ai call a banana a toaster
@@MrMeow-dk2tx thanks, I'll check it out :)
Depends. I been testing Glaze and Nightshade with some of my stuff.
Glaze adds a pattern over the image, Nightshade looks like it practically corrupts the file.
One could actually integrate the artefacts into their style. For example, if you're making psychedelic art, cranking up the intensity might actually make it better. I love using compression artefacts and whatnot, so I'll definitely try it!
I love adding gritty texture/noise to my art, so maybe that's why I actually kind of prefer the poison version that they used as an example in the video.
Insta about to get nuked. Completely immoral that you're auto opted in, and it's very difficult, sometimes not possible to opt out.
It is so hard and discouraging to be an artist now.
I wish Facebook had never bought Insta.
It doesn't surprise me.
What pisses me off more is that DeviantArt tried going down that road too.
@@EveInTheMachine that doesn't surprise me because DeviantArt are owned by wix who are all about automating and cutting the creatives out.
@@RoxaneLapa what.. wix is..
@@CunnyVirus they are tech company that have a shitty template system for websites and logos. They run a very aggressive ad campaign on RUclips so I'm sure you have probably pressed skip on hundreds of their ads already :)
Thank you for the explanation - happy to dump some poison hand studies into the ether. I'd disconnected from digital art entirely out of dread as the AI-pocalypse really got going, but it's still something I love.
Art is literal therapy. Keep creating in spite of that dumpster fire!
I mean i feel like the poison ads like.. a nice noise filter.. it makes it look a bit more natural which may not be always the goal.. but it doesnt really ruin the intended smoothness.. you can still see the work as it was
Its just a more advanced watermark
Thanks for the tutorial!
You made a great point in where most people look at art through their phones and they will most likely not notice the artifacts the same way a trained artist's eye would.
thanks for the video! I tried the longest option but it took 8 hours and has probably fried my CPU, so I think I will stick with the lower times. still, I'm glad that tools like this exist
In the future, WebGlaze might be an option (glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/webglaze.html). Unfortunately at this stage it looks like it isn't open to the general public. You will need to apply for an invite.
Art Ai software tends to be selective and works on an already collected pool of art. So unless you plug your own in you should be good.
@@Waspinmymind from what I've heard, Meta announced that they're going to be mass scraping data from their platforms to train their AI. this includes content on Instagram, which is my main platform, so I'd rather play it safe
The extra time put on those images is multiplaying always the time the poisoned images will make those damn scrappers waste on their datasets. I think I'll do it with any image I'll post on socials from now on. Thank you.
Hei Roxi dear! Nightshade servers works hard after too many people do this! You are doing a awesome job
even better - AI generate some hands, shade them as something else, and let the scapers take that in. Hah!
lol, genius. Use ai to fight ai
@@RoxaneLapa Add chesticles to the list too. The Aibros are gonna be sooooo disappointed when they keep coming out as a pair of Danny Devitos in a bra.
Don't forget to glaze and nightshade your AI hands too!
That might actually be the next phase in the gAI warfare. Automated creation of poisonous images. Then mixing them with the real ones in such a way that humans can't see them, but robots would scrape them with the rest.
Well this is how we get AIs drawing fingers as penises and I'm not mad about it
Excellent work.
Thank you handsome
OooOo!!! Hand Study AI Poison! Love it!!!! I will make the Krappiest hands youve ever SEEN
lol
Thank you for this!!!! shared to me by a friend so you know making the rounds!!!!!! i'm sure you already knew ...
Thank you for this tutorial, already scraped or not (they can come out with new bots anytime), I'll be taking thousands of my photos down and slowly re-uploading protected.
Love the honeypot idea
Thank you so much, I was looking for some tutorial on Nightshade ❤
It's my pleasure. Glad it was useful.
For training a art style of a specific artist you need at least 10 high quality pictures. So if you want to protect your art style, use it for every picture you upload on the internet.
Gonna use this on anything I’ll make, ESPECIALLY my work for clients… that’s the stuff that pays for my bread!
Thank you for this great explanation of the nightshade software! This was super helpful.
It's my pleasure. I'm glad it was useful.
Great video - I have a few hand studies lying around...
You earned a subscription right here
Finally got a computer strong enough for my wife's photography!
Personally I do actually like the crispy edge Nightshade adds to artwork lol. Ty for this, super useful!
Thank you for the insight and well thought review. You are a great speaker and artist. I hope they can make something to combat Ai through animation or films because we're also in very grave danger. I can't think of glazing and nightshading every single scene and motion.
YOU ARE AMAZING
Thanks for the kind words. You're pretty amazing too :)
Nice video! I like the artwork.
Thank you for the kind words.
Much obliged i was looking for away to protect my work even if its not perfect - yet 😅
All these companies need to learn is to have consent for using other people's work.
You're just now outraged about this? You do realize that tech companies have been literally harvesting people's data since the internet began, right? No one has been compensated for the billions they have made over decades. This is far from a new thing, the only reason it is being cared about on this level now and being seen as so egregious is because now its art data they came for. This didn't just come out of nowhere, we knew about it for a long time and no one did anything, that's why we have arrived at this point.
Thankyou for the video!
Thank you for watching :)
Thank you !!!
1.5x speed definitely needed for this one
Sounds good to me!!
Good stuff, thank you
It's a pleasure, thank you for watching.
thanks for the great video!
It's my pleasure. Thank you for watching.
AI is over hyped doom everyone should be using these tools
SICK ART and vid
Important question: can you nightshade or glaze videos? Lilke..animations and stuff like that? Or just images?
Not at this stage, but I foresee the need for it. I'm sure the tech bros will be wanting to scrape our process videos as well.
@@RoxaneLapa too bad, they’re are a bunch of animation trends I wanna make 😔 I’ll post them on cara I guess..it’s safe there right?
@@Dr34m3rdr34m Yes, I believe so. They started as an alternative to Artstation and have always had a very clear anti AI stance.
im thinking of glaze my frames so that way they cant stole my animations (not everyframe only keyframes)
@@qnefe1977 sounds like a plan!
I wonder if we can use it for our regular photos like our faces and such?
I haven’t tested on photos but if doesn’t cause too much distortion, then that’s a great idea.
Would love to see you testing your poison by training a Lora on it. My understanding is that these methods were cracked awhile ago, just takes a moment to download an extension to “deglaze” any images that might have “poison” sometimes a bit of editing of the data.
I don't know what a Lora is, but I do know they haven't yet cracked it. The author of AdverseCleaner (the pixel smoother) admitted it didn't work.
Interesting tool. But if my experience tells me anything this will become a cat and mouse game. 2024 glaze will be broken in 2025, then they fix it again. But all uploaded images from 2024 can then be unglazed easily.
You might be right, but the key is to keep resisting so it's not worth their time. Most people in the tech industry seem to be very lazy, always looking for short cuts. That's why they employ poor folk from the global South to do the grunt work of AI labeling (futurism.com/the-byte/ai-gig-slave-labor). They will likely have to start forking out more money to sort through what is and what isn't scrapable, and hopefully will eventually be too much of a ball-ache for them, and then they can move on and do something positive with their skills instead of trying to kill the hopes and dreams of artists.
@@RoxaneLapa There's also the point too, that if the developers of the AI generation software create ways to circumvent tools such as Glaze and Nightshade, they lose all claims they've made about respecting artists. Especially those who've appeared before Congress etc claiming they want to find a way to do this ethically. We know they don't, but they've spent a decent amount of time claiming they do. Whole argument is then gone.
@@digitalbrinjen3245 excellent point
@@digitalbrinjen3245 Not really. They will just say "we realize some people don't want their content analyzed and glazing is a good indicator of that. So we make sure to sort out any glazed pictures to respect their decision."
Is there evidence this is even effective? It seems like the equivalent of producing beautiful music then introducing artificial noise and distortion into it before distributing.
Yes, there is evidence. The published papers offer more info: people.cs.uchicago.edu/~ravenben/publications/pdf/glaze-usenix23.pdf
@@RoxaneLapa thanks that looks really interesting I’ll give it a read
great tool :)
Would have been useful to compare original to nightshade, rather than different intensities
What i find awesome about nightshade is that it uses AI to combat against AI
Any software, including Nightshade, can be circumvented. Many videos explain how to use these tools but not the underlying technology. As a developer, I see several ways to counteract the poison pill method. Advanced techniques with colors and image processing can likely overcome these defenses. Data poisoning can be undone through reprocessing and cleaning, such as removing or scrubbing metadata and using post-processing methods to fix poisoned datasets. AI operates on 1s and 0s and weighted responses, so we must approach it differently. Existing datasets can train AI to recognize and correct poisoned data to a significant extent, especially in advanced multi-modal models.
Do the affects of glaze or nightshade work everywhere. Like also when someone screenshots a video or smth…like is the glaze/nightshade transmitted too?
Not only screen shot but screen video or taking a picture of a phone with the image. Does Glaze/Nightshade take that into account…
As I understand it, screenshotting and cropping doesn't affect the Glaze or Nightshade, so I would assume that taking a video of a still would probably also maintain the Glaze/Nightshade...if that is what you're asking.
Compression in videos would not carry over Nightshade. Compression is a loss of pixel information.
I think the first question is: does it work at all?
Suppose someone takes the CIFAR-10 dataset and applies nightshade to each image, and trains a network with the usual architecture on it.
How much does that influence the quality of the trained network?
... unlike glaze and nightshade are specifically working against diffusion models?
Like, if the noise added is meant to somehow change how the “what nose was added” predictions behave?
Uhh...
Is AI software capable of processing .gifs? If so, making a gif run at, say, 60fps and not loop, and filling the first 59 frames with junk data and poisoned images where the last frame (the one the gif ends on) is the real art. I could see that either deterring scraping programs or poisoning your art to an unusable degree.
Interesting idea!
Thank you for this tutorial!
Sooo if I post an artwork in a lower resolution than the original (which I always do), I should run nightshade on the version that I wanna post, not on the original and scale it down afterwards - right?
The nightshade page says that you should apply it to the image after scaling it.
anyone know how to turn on cpu mode i have a good cpu but a bad gpu
Save yourself the effort. AI can detect and completely remove this "poison" within seconds.
I don't think they have such a setting yet, but WebGlaze might be an option for those whose computers aren't up to the task (glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/webglaze.html). Unfortunately at this stage it looks like it isn't open to the general public. You will need to apply for an invite.
@@weltlosprove it
@@Pixxeria Diffusion models are literally designed to turn complete random noise into stunning images. It is their entire purpouse to remove noise. So, if you think that adding noise to your images does anything, you cannot be helped. You would have to completely ruin your own images for it to be effective. But go ahead and waste your electricity. By the way, SD3 comes out in two days.
@@weltlos prove it
I kinda envy the AI distopias of Sci-Fi a little. But I guess that will happen eventually too, just a bit delayed. Never did I think that one of the most human aspects of life will the first thing challenged by artificial intelligence yet here we are.
What a weird fight to fight but I'm glad there are some ways being discovered now. I hope this actually works, cause I fear that with new approaches to image generation, these techniques won't be effective anymore. It's a constant arms race.
The little solace I have is that mass image generation is a downward spiral at best and will bring it's own fall into even bigger mediocracy. Cause when the internet gets flooded with AI images to the point where there is more AI then authentic stuff online, future training sets will rely on that already generated stuff. Just eating it's own waste, data that's already regurgitated until AI flaws will get more and more exaggerated by it's own tech.
Yes, so true. Also apparently that's already happening (AI scraping AI and getting worse). I read an article on that recently, but sadly don't have the link on hand.
I’ll be honest, maybe its the phone, but I can’t see the artifacting or anything changed. Which is good.
i rarely hear about the exploited peoples or hear people in general use the term "the global south" when discussing ai horror in general, so as a socialist artist indigenous to America, turtle island, i respect, thank, and applaud you. this video and its tone was exactly what i wanted
I can't seem to download the resources. It keeps giving me an error
I'd suggest maybe submitting a bug report so they can look into it: docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc--gDSWMJ9SJo41sw-0Ds6zR83fKDdWuTZp0_wy_D_4XlxGA/viewform
@@RoxaneLapa Thank you! I'll check it out!
You are too funny ... and helpful. Thanks for the info!
Nightshade doesn't work for me, when I hit "Run" nothing really happens, the black box on the right reads "true" and I see no image in my selected folder. Is there something I did wrong?
thank you for the tutorial! i have a question tho, if i have glazed and nightshaded my art, will it still be protected if it was screenshot?
We need a bunch of different glazing algorithms. The ai bros will eventually crack this, however they also need several images of your style to steal it so we should use different programs that does the same as glaze on each artwork we post so that'd they'd have to decode every image, one by one. Force those lazy coomers to actually put in some effort into something for once in their lifes.
I've installed nightshade on 2 computers now, (one is practically brand new) and after selecting images, intensity, location, tag and running it, I get a "True" message. No artwork shaded anywhere..
Please help.. can't seem to find anything online about this!
7:25 hang on, does that article say they ran out of pictures on the internet?
I never thought that would/could happen, I thought the internet was infinite.
lol, I know, it’s crazy!
8:12 Sorry if this is a silly question, I just want understand better. Why is the tag still a skull when we want it to think it's something else, would have assumed it would want us to call it something else?
That also confused me at first, but that tag area is for us to indicate to Nightshade what it really is. Nightshade doesn't change a skull to some random thing, but rather a specific thing - let's say for example in the Nightshade database, they've chosen to replace a skull with a shoe. All skulls will be changed to look like shoes. It is the repetition of the error that causes the AI model to collapse. Hope that makes sense?
@@RoxaneLapa ohh okay thank you kindly :D not sure why I was so lost on this XD
Am an artist but also a tech bro. So please nigthshade. Fuck the tech bro side of me.
A padawan resisting the dark side XD
What PC specs requirements do I need to run this?
That's a good question. They haven't yet published minimum PC specs on their website yet.
I downloaded glaze but i cant open it. It says "failed to execute script due to unhandled exception: no module named unicodedata", does somebody have a solution for this?
This seems like a great way not only to confuse AI, but to trick them into drawing copyrighted characters by big companies like Disney to get the AI software companies sued to high hell
my nightshade says "running nightshade on cpu" and then in the space where the text is, it first said "crafting image" and then it switched to "True." wtf does that mean?
Not sure. Possibly it is busy working but not showing progress. Did you try it more than once?
Hello! I don't know where to ask but whatever I use Glaze or Nightshade, it says it misses the "model_index.json". I don't know what is it or how to find it as I don't understand Coding. Do you have any solution about that?
"The Hat & The Turd" is such a wonderfully awful name for a pub.🤣
lol. Now that you mention it, I can imagine that being in a Terry Pratchett novel.
@@RoxaneLapa Totally!🤣🤣🤣
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When I click on "Download," my screen flashes white for one millisecond and then nothing happens. I'm using Windows 10.
I'm also using Windows 10. Perhaps try downloading using a different browser?
Pinterest is so un-usuable now because it is littered with AI! What a good idea to upload a bunch of glazed stuff on there.
I know right? It's like 70% Ai already.
Really helpful video! but I have a question, I followed all the steps from the video but at the moment to nightshade my artwork it appears and error telling me that has unsuficient gpu memory, which I checked and it requieres at least 5,00 gb. is there another way using from the website? I'll appreaciate any solutions.
You can apply for WebGlaze: glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/webglaze.html
Good luck :)
Same issue I'm having. :(
It seems nightshade runs in cpu mode automatically if it gives that error. (Just got nightshade and have the same error, but it still works, and it uses a lot of cpu and memory). If the box above the gpu error says something about analysing images, then you know it has started working on the images.
@@RoxaneLapa I tried, still waiting to hear back at all. Been weeks now. I have 16gig memory, and have fast Fiber internet. Took over 2 hours to download Glaze, I cannot run *any* program with it (so I lose my computer while running it, it must be the ONLY program running), first two attempts to use it on the fastest settings crashed my computer, third attempt worked and the estimate time was BS, it took it almost 35 minutes. To run a small 1600px x 1100px downsized photo. It just....isn't a workable solution. Someone just told me about Nightshade, and I plan to give it a try, but honestly, looking at the interface I suspect similar result. I just don't have time to spend a couple hours on one image (by the time we freeze, crash, etc a few times then finally work...the 'fast five minute' one is a couple hours!)
I was hoping to use this on my phone. I downloaded it on my phone but it doesn’t seem to function at all.
There's no mobile version yet. Some people have access to Web Glaze (glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/webglaze.html) but difficult to get an invite for it. Best to just sign up on Cara because they are going to have Glaze and Nightshade built in in the future.
@@RoxaneLapa thank you for your response, yeah it’s been disabled on there for quite some time now. And I just don’t have WiFi on the road. I do have WiFi on my phone but I don’t believe the hotspot will work with my laptop, although I’ve heard that it should. I’m a bit old school Generation X and I tell ya I struggle with all this technology now days.
@@nightmahershadows Also GenX and a bit phone illiterate if I'm honest. I miss the days of things having actual buttons instead of having to put my fingers on my phone screen, lol
@@RoxaneLapa yeah it’s insane how far computer engineers have come nowadays it seems like it’s moving faster than ever where it’s a maze. All these little things that they just expect one to know. I remember the early days of the internet, things actually made sense and were user friendly, you didn’t have to jump into a box and then another and then another and all this endless confusion with just how things work. If it gets any worse, we definitely will have to rely on AI or something but I guess that’s where it’s all heading. I just deleted all my Art and am in a state of shock at the times we’re living in, the total disregard for Artists, it’s really unbearable and we have to send out a message that we are in no way alright with this. Apparently Elon Musk already began sweeping a year ago. And I thought he was a good guy. No ethics honor or respect for real deal Artists. That’s insanity right there.
How can animators protect their work? Are there apps out there to protect and poison AI against animation theft?
Not as far as I know, but there has been some discussion in the comments about potentially glazing/nightshading keyframes within an animation.
@@RoxaneLapa An automation feature in that regard with these apps would be most welcome actually...
Can i use nightshade and glaze together? Which should come first? If i use that "poisoned" image on instagram will that prevent ai stealing the image?
Some of what you ask has been addressed in the video from 09:56. I can just add that the creators of the software suggest Shading first and Glazing last.
I heard it's not a good idea to use both Glaze and Nightshade together yet?
The creator of Glaze, Ben Zhao, contacted me after watching the video and said "The only thing we suggest when trying to combine the two tools is to nightshade first before glazing. That guarantees the Glaze effects are strongest, because protection of your style is more important than attacking the model."
That of course assumes you have a recognisable style. Many of us don't.
Im not sure if i understand, when i use Glaze, the program says "running Nightshade on cpu", so glaze and nightshade are in the same program or need the other too?
They are two different programs. I know from building websites, we sometimes copy code from a previous website to a new one to save time, so potentially that is what is happening there. Just some reused code where they forgot to change the name. I can suggest submitting a bug report: docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc--gDSWMJ9SJo41sw-0Ds6zR83fKDdWuTZp0_wy_D_4XlxGA/viewform
The problem I think with it is that I can take screen shot and not download the image as a workaround
As I understand the Glaze/Nightshade tech works something like an adverserial image (deepmind.google/discover/blog/images-altered-to-trick-machine-vision-can-influence-humans-too/) so a screenshot wouldn't remove that noise or distortion.
@RoxaneLapa try using python turtle to trace the image or a filter like lod
@@zeitgeisbara I don't know anything about those technologies, but even if they do work, it seems like a lot of effort created for tech bros, and that's what we want. If a robber looks at two houses and one has burglar bars and the other one doesn't, they'll likely go for the path of least resistance. Only in this case it's even better because the proverbial burglar bars are invisible, so they don't know if they have to use bolt cutters or not. May just deter them into getting an honest job instead of being a thief.
I honestly cannot tell the nightshaded and glazed images from the normal images unless it's on high or sum 😭
So, is it advisable to run each artwork in both softwares (Glaze and Nightshade)?
It's advisable to run everything through nightshade and if you have a recognisable style, then through Glaze as well.
@@RoxaneLapa thanks!👍🏻
But what if I just print the picture, scan it, then use that for training? Or just train a Lora on "shaded" and "unshaded" images so it can just edit out the difference?
Printing every pic you want to use would work out pretty expensive and likely wouldn't work anyway. Tech bros have been trying to negate nightshading and glaze since it came out, and they might eventually succeed, but haven't succeeded yet, so it's not a simple thing to get around.
@@RoxaneLapa Home printers are pretty affordable for most people who have computers good enough for AI. And even if they weren't, you didn't explain why scanning the image then training the scan "wouldn't work anyway".
I get the change of AI can be scary for some, but at the end of the day it is what it is since stuff like this is just a minor speedbump at best
@@coreyhughes379 I think the better question is why would you think it would work? Nightshade and Glaze don't just provide a surface noise, they change 80% of the pixels, so the only way I can assume printing would have any effect is if it was a low quality printer that doesn't print all the information. Even if it worked beautifully and you have a lot of money for ink, the number of images you would need to do this with to get a workable database would be so tedious. I mean no ones stopping you if you have the energy for that.
question for anyone who knows: once you run Nightshade and/or Glaze on a piece of art, can you then go in and crop and resave it, or will that invalidate it? I do a comic strip that is very horizontal, and i use to save a version that is each panel as a its own file so that i can post to instagram in a series since the original horizontal strip is too long to fit the IG aspect ratio....thanks in advance
please let me know if you've found an answer! i heard that screenshots invalidate it, but i'm not really sure if cropping does the same
Hi! They have a User Guide on their website which says:
"Please run Nightshade after any image modifications. If you do any image resizing or watermarking, please do so before you run Nightshade or Glaze. This will maximize the effects of these tools. If you are planning to run both Nightshade and Glaze, know that they do step on each other's toes a bit. If you want to run both, please run Nightshade first, and then Glaze. For best image quality, you can do all this with PNG and then compress the Nightshaded/Glazed file back into JPG when it's all done."
I assume just cropping would be ok, but if you're cropping and resizing, this will likely mess up the noise pattern.
OpenAI et alias will just blur it though. Any real solution needs legal teeth.
How does it work?? The hat still clearly looks like a hat??
According to their FAQ "Glaze/Nightshade actually change the large majority of all pixels in the image (80%+). So the entire image is being altered, and the visible artifacts are just the tip of the iceberg in terms of changes."
See, when ai is generating an imagine, it kinda selects a picture and picks out the pixels relative to it. Ai doesn’t understand that the full image is a hat, but it understands that if it arranges these pixels in this way, it’ll kind of look like a hat, and that pixels arranged in that manner do equal hat.
Imagine being like a monkey in a box being shown a prompt and random pixels, and being given treats whenever you select the correct pixel. Ai is kinda like that.
By poisoning the image on a pixel level, the ai gets a bit confused. It looks at the surrounding pixels, and the pixels no longer look like the data it has on hats.
Supposedly ai is trying to learn 3D models, so it will probably be trickier in the future once it starts working off general shapes instead of associated pixels.
Can i use it on android?😢
There’s no mobile version yet. Your best bet is to sign up on Cara because they will have it built in at some point.
Too bad, but i will try Cara
Hey artists. We use technology to create our art to be marketable. Your money comes from those same individuals that want to cheapen your work. Digitial art has always and will always use new technology. Use your smarts to userp the techno greed, but also learn to use the new technology. Night shade, poison, exploit the AI, repeat. You are an artist, destory and create! But dont hate the very technology that has given you work. We have to be stratigic and intellegent, move forward with grace and goodwill.
the 10 dislikes are from angry ai bros
I always say if you're not making someone angry then you're probably not standing up for anything important.
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I'm not opposed to using this, but I'm wondering how easy it is to defeat by simply using a "remove artifact" or "dust & scratches" filter. That would slow down AI scrapers a bit, but not by much. It seems like we are entering an AI arms race between professionals and the tech bro CEOs looking to steal their work.
Yep, my understanding is that it’s extremely easy to bypass these filters. They’re also extremely resource-intensive, especially on high-res images. Seems like it takes more time to make the poison than it does to take the antidote.
They address this in their FAQ: "Actually, No. Ever since Glaze was released in March 2023, there have been misinformation campaigns about how smoothing out the visible artifacts on a Glazed image will break Glaze. The pixel cleaner posted on Github (AdverseCleaner) does not work, and the author of the tool admitted it in an update post on that Github page. Despite this, the misinformation campaigns continued. Finally, the author of the adverseCleaner tool simply took down his page altogether off of Github."
I'll spam poisons just for the lol,
This works great
Until someone decides to reverse engineer the process and make an ai/algorithm to remove artifacts (stuff like this already exists btw, if one person won't do it another one will)
People have been certainly trying and failing so far. Even if they do eventually get it right, the time spent unglazing images will make it not worth it.
@@RoxaneLapa You may be right but then you forget you can just spam random images into the tool, compare them both and train the ai or whatever with that. If someone starts doing that it could take a few seconds or minutes to fully analyze the pattern, and then youre fxcked again. Or yk, just program the ai to detect and analyze poisoned images correctly
@@RoxaneLapa oh and btw people have not been failing, someone already made one a while back
I'd like it if someone used this program to scare AI art bros.
Step 1. create the scariest, most horrifying art you've ever made
Step 2. Run it through Nightshade until AI identifies it as something innocuous
Step 3. Put it online as though it were any other art piece (add tags if you feel you must)
Step 4. Wait until it gets scraped
Step 5. Wait until the AI art users gets the shock of their lives😈
Glaze told me we whould always shade THEN glaze.
Same thing on the nightshade page (on the downloads page more specifically)
Yes Ben from Glaze mentioned that the reason for that is so that the Glaze protection is stronger. He believes that protecting your style is more important than poisoning the system. If you have a recognizable style, I'd say I agree.
To everyone that decided to move over to Cara, please think it over. They have a partnership with a company that does art scraping to improve their own AI. Cara says they only use this AI to detect if any AI art is being posted to their platform, but by uploading your artwork to Cara and glazing/nightshading it on the app, that 3rd party company automatically gets access to your artwork and uses it for their own text to image AI software. I was going to start uploading my art to Cara too, but luckily I learned about this before I did. I also really hoped that Cara was as much of a safe haven for artists as they claim to be, but I'm afraid that's not true :(
Source?
This is not true. Cara have addressed these rumours (instagram.com/p/C70l2VDRxDm/?img_index=1) and in fact the person who founded it (Jingna Zhang) is in a class action lawsuit against Google, Stability AI, and Midjourney. If you can't trust Cara, I don't think you can trust anyone.
This seems trivially easy to get around. You’d just have to train on the original images, then the shaded images, bam you have a model to reverse the process. Congrats you have made it 1% more difficult to exploit your art while compromising the integrity of the image.
Do it and prove it
Nice try, AI bro.
But just in case you're serious, how would they get their hands on the original images? If you're uploading WIPs, nightshade those too on a quicker setting.
Also, I disagree on the 1% harder. Most AI bros who are in it to win it are using automatic scrubbers to collect images. Try 99%.
@@edenxian Do I really have to tell you that there are billions and billions of original, "non-poisened" images on the internet? Someone who wants to train such a model can simply "nightshade" them themselves and end up with pairs of original and "nightshaded" images. You people are too funny.
@@edenxian I’m not an AI bro but I’m an artist and programmer with somewhat of an understanding of the technical side. You don’t need the original images. Any model is about generalization. The model I’m describing would need any set of unaltered images, apply the shading, and train weights on the relationship between unshaded and shaded images. That produces a generalized model that could be used to reverse the process. That’s how these “AI” models work themselves! You shouldn’t assume about me. Maybe ideas I have could help protect. I’m just raising a concern. The thing that I don’t like about shading as an artist is it compromises the integrity of the image for questionable benefit. It’s like producing a song then adding noise and distortion before distributing it.
@@weltlos yeah that’s basically what I was saying. I’m not trying to be negative here I’m pointing that out as a reality.
I won’t use either.
Don’t see a reason too.
ai models already look for this and bypass this, this only works on old models. Anyone with a server farm can bypass any of theses measures.
Also most good models use downsized images with a fliter.
No they don’t, but nice try
Hey, for anyone who can read this - Glaze and Nightshade do not work. Sorry. Computers can still read them, you can still make LoRAs with the art, etc.
Prove it
@@PixxeriaConsidering RUclips doesn't like links in comments, how do you suppose they prove it to you?
If someone says something I care about has a vulnerability, even if I didn't believe them, I'd make sure it wasn't true myself. Cause if they're right, I better do something about it.
@@botarakutabi1199 ruclips.net/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/видео.html
Links seem to work perfectly fine.