Tonya Harding | "I, Tonya" Analysis | Mental Health & Personality
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Just because you're surrounded by clowns doesn't mean you should start a circus 😂 😂 😂 😂
Good one.
It's true. You gotta stay away from the friggin' CLOWNS!
Wm Elliott
..ppl that laugh at their own [humor] are tedious, bores.
Wow - very funny!😂😂😂
Dr. Grande is the quickest wit I've ever heard. 🤣
My very elderly mother, who came from a harsh childhood, had an extremely negative reaction, angry reaction, towards Harding. I asked her why she was so angry at Tonya. My mother, a very tough cookie, burst into tears and said, "...because she is just like me."
My mother, now deceased, upon thought, felt she was unlovable and unforgivable.
This is so sad...
There is a lot of hurt in that statement, your poor mom.
A psychologist thought he could become rich & famous, had her journaling. They agreed to write a book together (just to keep her controlled); she FINALLY went to another psych.
The 2 psych. got into a war over ownership of the journals. He would not release. Mum ended go back to #1, became even closer, worked for him & wife, etc etc
They finished the book which he self published....and then chaos ultimately ensued (as usual). It got hinkier and twistier.
(He insisted my mother sell the book to me for $10, which, of course, she did. He wrote me as a mean kid and cold adult. Need I say, this guy did not like me from the moment we met. The look that passed between us said it all. My eyes told him: "I see you.")
What a tangled web we weave.
wow...that was deep 😪
Wow. That's so sad.
I saw the ‘I , Tonya’ movie when it came out - I was curious about the story behind the scenes as I couldn’t remember all the details in the press from that time. Allison Janney played Tonya’s mother in the movie and it was an uncanny performance of my own mother’s behaviour and personality. I had seen Janney interviewed previous to the movie coming out and she had said that someone told her people don’t act like the character she played in the movie. She answered. ‘But they do ‘ . I can testify to that . It also explained volumes about Tonya’s actions . The lifetime ban was cruel and heavy handed.
First woman to do the triple Axel in competition and land it! She was a great athlete on her own.
First american not in the world.
They can never take the triple axel away from her.
I loved her gold-bladed skates
Indeed. Kerrigan was supposed to be the darling of the US skate team. I think that was why she was picked. She was rude.
Kerrigan was arrogant and rude
Ending is so true...the bad decisions you make when you're in your teens and 20's can follow you forever, gotta be real careful, but how can you be when you don't know better, hopefully you've got good role models, but some don't...
I enjoyed the movie though
So true! Ugh 😩 I am so happy, to stay away from certain people.
As a former competitive skater, I can explain that you would want a competitor’s practice schedule so you could avoid practicing at the same time (if that competitor intimidates you and/or because you don’t want want that competitor to see your routine and current skill level) and/or because you want to watch the other competitor to see her routine and what current skills/moves she is doing.
Also, I recall that they were considering prosecuting Tonya for actually being involved in the planning and execution of the plan, so accepting a plea of knowing about the attack AFTER the fact is a lesser charge.
Her plea made total sense. The FBI was tailing her after she got home. They watched her and Jeff go to Shawn’s and to a pay phone while he made calls to their accomplices. They had her dead to rights in hindering. May as well plea to avoid a trial and have some say in your sentencing.
Well tonya lived in Portland, not Boston, she didn’t need her schedule
You concluded with a great lesson about mistakes made in our youth.
I agree with Dr. G: She should have been allowed back in, but only after missing out for a few years as punishment.
Youthful mistakes can be lifelong mistakes for them and in this case loss of a career of an innocent person and of her
I think Tanya would have been a hard child to raise and she is more of a bull and she was going to do what she wanted
I work for a film heritage organisation. There used to be a review of her sex tape printed and stuck to the wall in a basement I worked in. I’ll never forget that it said: “a harsh physical regime apparently doesn’t a good body make.”
OUCH! (Imagine having your sex tape reviewed and the conclusion is merely that you look shit naked, even though your body is how you made your career ???😬 )
I love your videos
The third point is spot on... your late teens and early 20s are very dangerous times for many people. Make a serious mistake, as Dr. Grande states, in your youth, you'll be paying for that mistake for the rest of your life...one doesn't even realize that at the time.
Tonya Harding was a powerhouse. Very athletic. Her upbringing & HERSELF were her own worst enemy.
i think the illusion of competition is more detrimental than anything else?
As usual, a well thought out segment. Unfortunately for Tonya, she achieved the fame she desired, just not in the way she thought she would.
Her "crime" was the bad judgement of standing behind people who betrayed her. She would have easily beat Kerrigan and knew it but the idiots she let herself trust did not have confidence in her.
With that said, one might wonder if her ex-husband who was abusive planned this to destroy her. He was well aware of her talent and ability to beat the competition with the only way "to put her in her place" being to destroy her. Sadly, she was so programmed to be abused in multiple ways that she didn't recognize this as what it was.
Having followed this when it happened, I felt the press was excessively hard on her - they judged her and sentenced her and made no effort to learn the truth or even consider it. It leaves one to wonder how much the skating association(s) had to do with that - they likely had many advertising dollars (directly and indirectly) invested in various news outlets. The constant "followup" years after it should have been old news is very telling. Someone wanted to crucify her - we must wonder who and why!!!
She is someone who had all the disadvantages and everything working against her for what she wanted to do and, despite all that, became one of the best skaters in the world. That is a lot to accomplish in a profession that values appearance over truth. Had this not happened, I have no doubt she would have worn the Gold in the Olympics at least once, possibly more.
“It really tells us all we need to know about the level of sophistication in this criminal enterprise.” 🤣 😂 🤣
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I remember when this happened, and the world was shocked that someone at that level of competition could be involved in such brutality against another competitor. That is way beyond poor sportsmanship, and the other girls were shocked, horrified and scared of Tonya. No-one, absolutely no-one, trusted Tonya or wanted to be anywhere near her. The association only debated so long about banning her because she was talented, but in the end the safety of everyone and the sport's reputation were paramount. The ban was a relief and it was felt that justice was served.
More likely that they were elitist snobs that happily used Nancy’s assault as a reason to exile her when all the evidence pointed to the abusive loser she once married. Meanwhile, decades later conspiring judges and repeat pedophiles are staunchly defended and their misdeeds swept under the carpet.
I think Tanya is just a classic case of getting involved with the wrong people early in life. Unfortunately this cost her dearly.
Born into the wrong family
Chose to be evil
Tonyas mom is my negative self talk.
Dr Grande, you should do a mental health analysis on Tina Brandon/Brandon Teena, who the film Boys Don't Cry is based on. That would be interesting!
Interesting..
Yes, a fascinating life... TgT
Sometimes regular people make the 3 stooges look like rocket scientists. As you said, people make regrettable mistakes. Thank you Dr Grande for often taking the high road when a cheap laugh was well within your grasp. That's just one of the reasons I appreciate you.
“They made the Three Stooges look like Ocean’s Eleven”. LOL.
IMHO, Tonya was a much better skater than Kerrigan. If she had had any other mother, Tonya would have been world-class and still revered today, instead, she is mocked and used as the butt of jokes. The most ironic part of this whole crime was the public perception of both skaters: they were both cut from the same cloth--the only difference was that Kerrigan came off as perky and cute (which, she wasn't) and Tonya was trailer trash (which, she wasn't). Inside, they were both insecure, drama queens fighting for a gold medal that neither would have obtained had they skated perfectly. But at least Tonya would have appreciated the silver medal.
I agree that Tonya was definitely a better skater than Nancy. I always found Nancy's skating to be very boring and not challenging and wondered how she got to where she was in the world of competition. Oksana was amazing; she really knew how to work with the music.
Agree.
You are so right. In the end it's all about being likable.
@E Aboudara I agree. Oksana was great skater.
Coaches just didnt want Tonya...was all political...pretty disgusting. Kerrigan was such a cry baby...really put on an act. Tonya just got a bad rap all her life. Sad.
I Loved Nancy Kerrigan's style on the ice. So graceful and joyous, similar to Yuka Sato. She usually wasn't perfect in competitions, but she was one of my favorites either way. What saddens me is that both she and Harding will mostly be known for the incident. I'm relatively convinced that Harding had knowledge of or involvement in the assault, but she is now celebrated as a cult figure, while Nancy is in obscurity for something that definitely wasn't her fault. I do hope both ladies have found peace and fulfillment in their lives. Thank you for looking at this case more closely.
Surya Bonaly was way better than both of them.
@@figgiepooh81 She was the most daring. I believe she was the first lady to perform a backflip during her routine. She was an unforgettable force, definitely.
I have never believed Tonya had anything to do with the attack on Nancy, either by knowledge or even insinuation. She was better than Nancy and knew it as did the rest of the world. She would have easily outskated Nancy; that was commonly believed. Her husband and friends did not have the confidence in her they should have had so they decided to "fix it." Stupid totally.
Tonya's crime was her choice of friends. Next she "stood behind" those friends when they were in trouble - her loyalties were misplaced. Considering the support she had from others throughout her life, that is not a total surprise. People make a big deal of her taking the plea deal, but she likely felt she had no choice or she would go to jail - she was smart enough to know when the cards were stacked against her.
I watched all this as it unfolded. Almost immediately, the news reports started stating Tonya attacked Nancy which was false and undoubtedly encouraged by the skating association. Remember that Tonya had never fit their image of the perfect skater because she did not have the picture family and classy background. She spoke her mind and "ladies didn't do that." They set out to crucify her because she was more talented than their pretty little girl (Nancy). They did a good job of it - whenever she was able to find work, they set at it again. Every time she started earning money in what they would consider unladylike, they made sure the public knew it and totally blasted her. They simply would not leave her alone. Even murderers are not treated so badly and hounded as much as she has been..
The truth of all this is the the skating "dignitaries" could not accept that a girl from the wrong side of the tracks was better than their trophy girl. It's all a damn shame because the two of them could have been a great team but all chance of that was destroyed by small-minded people.
She should have dumped her "supporters" when they attacked Nancy, but I understand why she did not - already she was being crucified for nothing she did. If she turned her back on them, she would have had no one because everyone else had already turned on her because of what they did.
Dr. Grande, I'd love to hear your analysis of the individuals involved in "The Amityville Horror". Both Ronald DeFeo Jr who committed the murders and George and Kathy Lutz who claimed to experience paranormal phenomenon in their Amityville house would be fascinating
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Ooooooh, I agree! Please Dr. Grande?
Ohhhh thats a wild one!
Although I understand how people could do so, I do not feel sorry for Tonya. She had talent and threw her career away with both hands just to make competition easy on herself. She actually converted fans to Nancy Kerrigan’s “side.”
She has nothing now, so maybe hanging on the the fiction of innocence is the one thing she is determined to keep. Hope springs eternal.
She played Gilooley like a fine guitar. Just a sad case, overall.
Great balanced analysis as always, Dr. G.
She was an abused child and battered spouse. Gillooly controlled her, not the other way around. The “girl fight” media narrative in 1994 did Tonya no favors.
@@Inessence4 I totally agree with you!!! It is sad that people like "Sycamore Sally" have no in-depth understanding of what lifetime abuse can do to a person.
Tragically, Tonya's biggest mistake was not recognizing the abuse and realizing her abusers did not care about her.
When one thinks of what she accomplished, with all the obstacles to her succeeding in anything, it is quite remarkable what she had accomplished at such a very young age. She certainly did not have the support system to get there. How different things might have been had she cut her ex-husband completely out of her life when she divorced him.
Despite her illegal behavior, I have empathy towards Tonya. She had so much raw talent that didn’t get properly channeled because she didn’t have enough money and either didn’t want or didn’t get enough support to keep her out of trouble. Interesting video! 💗💖
Agreed
I have empathy for her... to a degree. Yet I totally think the lifetime ban was/is necessary. Additionally she never apologized to Nancy.
I liked the last bit about young people acting impulsively and not understanding the consequences of their actions. There is solid research backing up this assertion, but the legal system rarely takes it into consideration.
After watching the movie, old clips and the flurry of interviews Tonya did upon the movie release, I have come to think Tonya is lying to herself and us about how much she knew, even now. That Eckardt though... 🤦🏼♀️ 😂. His interviews are some of the finest content on RUclips.
She comes across as angry and bitter, which isn’t surprising considering how she was treated her whole life.
@@Inessence4 absolutely. Her mother is something else.
@E Aboudara I totally agree 👌
Doc, you are spoiling us💕 When you reach 500k subs you should take a vacation or at least a few days off. You deserve it, and your peeps will be here when you get back 🐤🐤🐤🐤🐤🐤
Love coming here for Dr Grande’s subtle shade
I think the world wasn’t ready for Tonya. She was ahead of the time. Unique. Not a boring sweet cookie cutter. She was being herself and people don’t like that.
Well, although I "feel for Tanya", I think bashing a competitor in the knees with a crowbar isn't about "just being yourself." It was actually evil.
Dirty Sanchez Agree. I was not commenting on the attack itself.
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I like that you’re doing all of these bc I grew up w all these stories as a backdrop and wasn’t one to focus on them at the time. True crime is of great interest to me now to fill in all the blanks.
Interesting analysis as always. I would disagree with you on the lifetime ban on Harding. No matter if she knew ahead of the attack or only found out about the plot after the attack, she did nothing to stop it nor report it after she learned about it. The fact of doing nothing after having knowledge is why she deserved a lifetime ban.
An athlete was physically and emotionally harmed by the attack. Thankfully her injuries were not more serious. I would imagine in the long run, there was more damage to her emotionally. This can never be allowed in any sport, and no matter how minimally involved, those who played a part should be banned from that sport forever.
It was Outrageous to ban her from skating. Completely Ridiculous and Vicious. Skating in itself is not illegal; that judge should be banned from being a lawyer/ what a Jerk.
Tonya did nothing after knowing about the attack, additionally, she never apologized to Nancy. She totally deserved the lifetime ban.
In the 1990's I was team Harding. I wanted to see Tanya win the gold. She was an excellent skater. She WAS surrounded by clowns! Good point regarding other athletes getting away with bad behavior and not being banned from their sport. Being banned from skating for life was too harsh IMO too.
Would like to hear your thoughts on Tiger Woods, narcissism and narcissistic injury. Could that have contributed to his inability to ever compete at that level again?
Isn't he back winning last year?
U r so compassionate and fair to say that she should have been allowed to go back to skate. Somehow though, I wonder if this will prevent any future skaters who might do the same. 👍video, thx.
Dr. Grande, can you do a video on Lorena Bobbitt? I can only imagine the deadpan humor in such a video.
He might be concerned about falling short, so to speak...I’ll say no more.
Remembering Tonya Harding, what stands out is that she was impossible to like. There was something about her that made me react with a strong internal "No!" regardless of how she was portrayed in the media, even when the coverage was positive. I have never responded to any other public figure in that way.
Kerrigan at Disney World, entitlement bitch and to the majority of ppl, completely unlikable.
That’s gut instinct, friend.
@@rullmourn1142 I loved Nancy until she was beat by Oksana Baiul. She said, "I thought flawless was perfect," which told me she was pretty full of herself. Then, the Disney incident. Plus, I lost a lot of respect for her when she stole her agent from his wife and kids.
@@redneckgirl3326 Disney incident?
@@shombie2737 It was a parade when Nancy Kerrigan was on a Disney float. She was being recorded and was complaining about how stupid it was.
Syliva Plath, please!
I agree that Tonya shouldn't have been banned for life. However, in figure skating if your "face doesn't fit", you won't be marked according to talent. Even if she'd have been allowed to return, they'd have made sure she didn't win anything again, or be chosen to represent the US, thus making a return pointless.
As a professional figure skater myself, and someone who also competed in the 80's, I don't think there was a single person in the sport that believed that she didn't know about the attack beforehand, including me!
I do feel for her now though. She still loves the sport, and could do so much for young skaters through coaching, but will never be able to.
If she didn't get involved with such awful people it would never have happened, and poor Nancy wouldn't have been assaulted like that. Her injury could have been far worse, so I'm thankful for that. It could easily have been career ending. ⛸⛸
I felt badly for her on the issue of not being able to afford costumes up to the standard of everyone else’s. Regarding the crime, I always believed that the attack on Nancy Kerrigan was her idea, that she had input and gave her approval on the final plan.
It was Jeff’s brain child. He claims he talked her into it but she denies it. It’s been said he did it to win her back as they were looking to reconcile. Tonya claims it was only to appease the skating association before the Olympics. They didn’t like a divorced woman representing them.
Whooohooo DR.Grande TACO BELL AND SATURDAY CANT GET NETTER THAN THIS
By the time the attack happened Tonya was desperate to get away from Geoff ... she should have told the police and he would have been arrested and she would have been free
I love how when you analyse or talk about what a person did you are not judgmental!
SNL mocked her back then with Tonya Harding advertising "The Club" Anti car theft device!
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My sister was a dead ringer for Tonya. She went as Tonya for Halloween for 3 years. It was hilarious.
@ska¡¡a ¡¡a the Lorenz Bobbitt incident was a subject SNL ripped on when it was current events. And that one is a much more heinous incident.
ppl that laugh at their own [humor] are tedious.bores.
Damn this thread went downhill fast.
I died laughing 😂
Great vid Dr Grande. I, Grande. The free therapy on RUclips. Better than all the quacks I paid for. Thank you. 🙏
I would like to see you cover the murders at White House farm. There is a miniseries adaptation on HBO. It’s a case from the UK that occurred in the 1980s that was initially believed to be a murder suicide of 5 family members perpetrated by the family’s adult daughter who had Schizophrenia. Interesting case and interesting turn of events that I would love to know your thoughts on.
Just saw the mini series. It was surprisingly good.
CarlRayburg Yea, it was good. There’s a lot to unpack in this case. I hope Dr. G does an analysis. ☺️
It was Jeremy Bamber one of the sons. He tried to get his brother to help with the cover up. He used a silencer on the shotgun. He tried to blame his sister who had mental health issues. I think access to inheritance was the motive.
@@charlottemacdonald7116 Jeremy is innocent, there's no doubt. Sheila did kill them all, Jeremy did not!
@@doxasophosmoros this is what I've heard on several crime documentaries. If Jeremy is innocent I apologise. I am just repeating what information i have.
I see some people saying they feel sorry for her because of the "supposed" abuse. This is not the first time in competitions that people try to end others career just to win. She is a horrible person. A lot of people get abused and don't go around ending people's career.
I have a feeling these ppl weren’t even born when this happened. It’s gross what she did. No pity from me.
AngelaMerici12 people seem to give a free ticket to the one they like or side with by claim of abuse.
Nancy kerrigan could go back to her career
@@mrooz9065 She was talented but she is just one of those who take "whatever it takes" to heart.
@@meriananizer no she couldn’t.
Don’t know.. Harding was an excellent skater. She didn’t need to take out Nancy’s leg
Agreed 👌
I’d rather phrase it as “She shouldn’t have”.
Especially considering Nancy had a long history of crashing under pressure. Tonya was a powerful jumper.
Add that to the way Nancy crashed at 93 Worlds probably hurt her with the USFSA. That was a large part of the reason the U.S had only two berths for ladies at that Olympics.
Tonya's mother was a piece of work. She was a "Second place is first loser" pusher.
I use to believe she was guilty until I watched
the documentary, “The Price of Gold,” and now I believe she was innocent. I recommend anyone who hasn’t seen it to watch it. 🙂
@@MJ-iq9ph I watched it. She is still guilty.
Comment 54: It's not hard to see the lessons learned in youth are irreplaceable, but when these start off with the wrong trajectory, it's often better to cast off these hindrances before they become "death bombs" - Thank you Dr. Grande for this timely advice. It's not everyone who makes it a point to teach a lesson, and we appreciate you because you do.
Great video, Dr. Grande! I agree that Tonya was probably aware of the incident before it happened. There had to be an agenda if he was willing to pay his accomplice $6500 to commit the assault. Just a guess about motive...if he was romantically linked to Tonya, he may have been anticipating a return on his "investment" in terms of the very lucrative endorsement deals, sponsorships and participation in professional skating shows that would be available to her if she were to win gold in the Olympics.
The concept you mentioned about trajectory is fantastic. I first learned this a young teen when my father explained an NTSB aircraft accident report to me that illustrated how a slight deviation in a flight path that was left uncorrected due to a flight crew's failure to monitor the deviation detection function in a flight path monitor resulted in an aircraft crash. It was interesting to learn that even a very slight change in trajectory that may seem inconsequential, at the time, can have a significant impact in terms of the end result. Anyway, thanks for another interesting analysis!
A sad story for such a talent. As a former skater, we used to say that she made lots of people wealthy. The public interest in skating surged after this. Skating shows like Scott Hamilton ‘s “Stars on Ice” were thriving. Little girls were all taking skating lessons. It was a boom time for skating!!
The one who didn’t profit was Tonya.
Funnily enough, the folks who profited the most were often her biggest critics.
Thanks for doing this one. I requested it, along with other viewers. You made a lot of good points. Some athletes have been convicted of much worse and they aren't banned from the sport for life.
Blast from the past!!! Thanks so much Doc! I’ve decided to be a supporter
I was around at the time of the assault, and at the time, it seemed clear she at the very least knew that the attack would take place beforehand. If anyone doubts that, you don't know competitive skaters. You don't get to that high level without being tough and controlling -- no matter how they portray themselves, figure skaters are not innocent fairy maidens.
At the same time, I do feel somewhat sorry for her. You need money and parental support, especially MONEY, to make a career in skating. Working class Tonya was born far behind the eight ball. I was only able to get so far without private coaching and renting patch time, and my parents couldn't afford it. How much did it cost Tonya's family to get to the Olympics?
What’s parch time?
@@nachtegaelw5389 patch time is private ice that competitive skaters train on. Only so many train on the ice at a time. You need to be on patch ice to get private lessons.
Incidentally, the name "patch" came from the days of compulsory figures, when you were allocated a patch/section of ice to do your figures on. Nowadays the "figure" part of figure skating doesn't exist, sadly, but the name for patch ice stated. Hth
@@lindatannock thank you for the explanation! 🙏
That’s interesting how the sport has evolved. So many Olympic sports seem to push the athletic limits and sometimes with the result of moving away from the origins.
As composed as he is, Dr. Grande can barely contain his giggle at the super smart strategy he used to escape at 6:21 😂
Thank you, Dr. Grande 💛 I don't know if I've told you how much I appreciate how compassionately and evenly you discuss these subjects. I was very young when the skating incident happened, and whenever someone tells me about it, they make Tonya out to be "insanely jealous & crazy" (their words, not mine) and I've never been told the true story from a purely factual explanation. I appreciate when you do this with all of your videos. Your humor is very dry, like mine, but I never really feel like you have "judged" the people/situations that you discuss. Especially as we approach the election, it seems like there's no real conversation anymore, just fighting. So when I get really overwhelmed with the noise, I am so incredibly happy to listen to your videos. They make me feel calmer, and I think you are a stellar content creation. Again, many thanks 😍
I’m only watching Grande on this, not the movie.
Would you consider a video about the parents of Chris Watts, Cindy and Ronnie?
Thank you.
I had breakfast this morning at the Dockside restaurant in Portland. It was in the dumpster of this restaurant where the gang of clowns deposited their garbage of incriminating evidence including a note in Tonya's handwriting which had Nancy's practice schedule. The restaurant owner happened to notice garbage which wasn't their own and investigated. I occasionally saw Tonya practice at a local skating rink. She was talented and had a sad life. But there is no question in my mind that she was involved in every part of the crime.
I would love to see an analysis on Freddie Mercury and John Deacon from Queen. Freddie would lead his life using drugs being promiscuous to the point of contracting HIV, while John lived a quiet and reserved lilestyle throught his career until retire and start living in isolation after Freddie's death.
“Chain of Bad Decisions” would be a great name for a band.
She continued to make bad decisions long after the event. Possibly, now she is making better ones.
Dr. Grande, someone in the comments recently requested a video about Jacqueline Kennedy. Books for research, I'm suggesting - -
Mrs. Kennedy, by Barbara Leaming
Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis, by Donald Spoto
Jackie Style, by Pamela Clarke Keogh
Grace And Power, by Sally Bedell Smith
And - -
Her life had four sections:
Growing up
Marriage with JFK
Marriage with Aristotle Onassis
Working as a book editor, 1975 to 1994.
Most biographies and articles about her life sort of skip or gloss over the book editor part. But to me that is, in a way, the most interesting part.
For that part, there are two books :
Reading Jackie, by William Kuhn
Jackie as Editor, by Greg Lawrence.
What I see is someone that was desperate to be the best and in a fit of jealousy, injured her knowing it was wrong and not caring
Tanya let her roots grow out way before ombré was cool. This really bothered a lot of people.
She was constantly ridiculed for having a bubble butt too. Which of course is all the rage now.
Does anyone else just click on any video, regardless of whether or not you understand the person/context, because you know Dr. Grande's analysis makes everything interesting? I watch these every night with dinner and it's always a huge contrast from the shallowness of social media.
Regarding your last statement. I've witnessed first hand how a siblings impulsive decisions early in life can wreak havoc on the life of the person committing them but also their family members. What could have been.
Dr. Grande, I am recovering from foot surgery. I am not very mobile. Your videos have been very uplifting for me. 🙂
I remember watching Tonya Harding compete in figure skating and I liked her because her style was different and I felt that she seemed likeable but just had a bad family situation. The lifetime band from figure skating was very harsh, like you mentioned other athletes from different sports did worse things and were allowed to come back in some capacity. I remember watching Tonya in the 1994 Winter Olympics and thought it was sad how she had to stop her performance because her shoelace had broken or something had happened to her skate. I hope that happier times are ahead for her. Great analysis Dr. Grande.
Love the channel Doctor. 🤗
Would love to see a video on:
Chris Benoit
Tony Soprano
Budd Dwyer
L.Ron Hubbard
LOL
"This is an interesting escape plan"
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Bland language can be so spicy!
Edit: there are some top notch zingers in this one
Phil Spector and Hank Williams Sr. Thanks Dr. Grande, may I suggest a vacation, like a week off, some time with the wife to relax. Take care.
I remember this case like it was yesterday! I’m sure she is horrified by this still today. Bad choices by all involved
People still think she's completely innocent?? It's so weird to me.
Would anyone else be interested in an analysis of the documentary “There is something wrong with Aunt Dianne?” Interesting story
Yes! What a tragic event!
Absolutely
Dr. Grande has covered this case already, on 6/28/20.
Didht he already do that one? (It wasnt as weird a case as the one about the girl who married her dad after they shot her boyfriend up with meth & murdered him, buried him, dug him up and stabbed him, then cut him up, and buried him again .. I wanna know what's going on with the sisters who were willing participants in incestuous relationships with their own abusers ..
@@Sugarb27 thank you! I missed that one and I will watch it now.🙂😘
After watching about 40-50 of Dr. Grande’s videos over the past couple months, I analyze other people in a totally different way; including myself. 😄😀🙂🤨😕
So do I 😂
Did she not write down the location and number to Kerrigan's practice rink, where they originally planned to attack?
@@botticellichick6393 I can't stand Tonya but she was the best skater.
She really was such a talented powerful skater
Wonderful as usually, your standards never slips!!! Hightlight of my day!! Always interesting never boring!!! You just keep getting better and better!!! 🐕🐕🐕🐕
Dr G. Is the "Jim Cant Swim" of psychology! I so love this channel!
I would be extremely interested in your thoughts on Jake LaMotta (in addition to how he is portrayed in the movie by Robert De Niro in the movie Raging Bull). Such a tragic and agonizing story, but one filled with lots of lessons to be learned.
My dad was a neurologist who treated Jake LaMotta. LaMotta was chained to a bed in a Miami hospital, due to explosive outbursts, attacking staff. My father diagnosed LaMotta as having extreme brain damage from boxing. The damage affected his motor skills, speech, thought process, and mental acuity and health. Dad recommended that he no longer fight. Dad was removed from the case by LaMotta and his handlers. My dad followed a lot of boxers. When Mohammed Ali started slowing down, my dad guessed that it was a form of Parkinson's, caused by boxing brain damage, before it ever came out in the press.
Dr. Grande, I’m sure the reason she was banned from competing is because the Association couldn’t take the chance she would do it again to another contestant. The Association is under no duty to only go by a Court’s ruling or a conviction. The Association has a duty to provide a safe environment for competition. Otherwise they are complicit if another attack occurs.
I was a sophomore in high school when this happened. It also is a reminder that young people make very bad decisions. Too often it's costly to so many people.
I remember the impulsiveness of my youth, but was I was lucky to have family and friends to give me the benefits of their guidance. It sounds like Tanya didn't have this.
“Just because you are surrounded by clowns......”. I am so going to use this (if/when necessary) on my grandkids. Of course my peers all quote THEIR parents / grandparents. I am going to be the cool grandma that quotes the wise and witty Dr. Grande!
More than just psychology, Dr. Grande sheds light on life planning and philosophy.
Smashing that glass door was the first time Shane used his head for anything.!Heard a report about this where Shane said,’If thinking hurts that much,you can keep it’.!.He never used his head again.He now gives COVID advice to President Trump.😃👍
Sometimes people plead guilty to crimes they didn't even commit even with advice of counsel because they are so wildly unpopular or unsympathetic as a defendant that a jury would almost definitely convict them no matter what they're charged with. Sometimes people are intentionally charged with higher crimes than what they've actually committed so that the prosecutor can get a plea deal and doesn't have to go to trial. I haven't finished the video yet, so this comment is only related to the comment about how people only comply with plea deals if they're able to plead guilty to a lesser crime than what they've actually done. That's painting with far too broad a brush. Just because she got a plea deal doesn't mean she did something worse than she pleaded.
I gotta say Tonya seems pretty cool in recent interviews and her appearances on Worlds Dumbest. Even though she did a bad thing. Something about her I kinda like! I feel like a bad person saying that 😬
Well yeah Tonya a very bad person.
That was excellent analysis and spot on about her needing to separate herself from associating with reckless dumb idiots with so much to lose at the level she had achieved. I was so disappointed in her. I thought she was a great skater. Powerful lady skater that was fun to watch. You didn’t worry much about her getting hurt she was so strong. This is exactly where her trauma background derailed her. 😥
'Just because you are surrounded by clowns doesn't mean you need to start a circus' I'm dead
You should do one about the case portrayed in the film 'Compliance', the personality make up of the prank caller who compelled fast food managers to detain and conduct intrusive searches on their employees, that would be an interesting study!
Hi! Can you make a video about Nikocado Avocado? I think his videos show a lot about his mental health issues and his story is...quite interesting. Im curious about your opinion about him. Btw I love your channel, thank you for your work!
Wow and I was just about to start a circus! A warning just in time...;)
I forgot about this case, and another great video. “Just because you are surrounded by clowns doesn’t mean you should start a circus” awesome line...
I love how people are defending Tanya because they think Nancy is rude. So if someone is rude or "your competition " you should have them physically assaulted?! No. She was talented enough without hurting anyone.
I remember when the incident happened. I was little and don't remember much. I was team Tanya until the details came out. Then switched to team Nancy. Seeing her later in in life skating still brings back memories of the triple axle. It was a marvel to see. I saw an interview in recent times of her going to a local skating rink. She did a jump and it was awesome.
Thanks for the video Dr. Grande!! Always great content.
is this where "break a leg" comes from?
No
@@teresahowick5197 only half kidding.
made me look into the origins, tho--we are a superstitious bunch
I have a book about the origin of expressions. Not sure if that one’s in it 🧐. It’s a strange one that’s for sure.
Nope...google is just a click away, try it sometime.
@@rullmourn1142 you don't say
Felt so sorry for harding. Why did she feel the need to do that to Kerrigan, she could have been one of the all time greats. Self sabotager of the highest order.
No one thinks rationally when jealousy takes control.
Shelley Tuohy Just curious. Why did you feel so sorry for her? Because she sabotaged herself? Kind of sad, but given what she did to another skater, I don’t feel sorry for her. She could really have permanently crippled Kerrigan.
I feel more sorry for Nancy Kerrigan. She was the victim of the attack.
You really can't feel for both, we all makes mistakes but i'm pretty sure most of us haven't tried to have somones leg smashed in. All these comments feeling sorry for her are gross. She was not the victim.
Shelley Tuohy Tonya regularly had trouble beating Nancy, which limited Tonya’s ability to beat Nancy and make it to the Olympics.
How do I make a video about mental health without sounding like I completely hate my family but also they are the cause of all of my mental health problems because I live in an abusive household... I don't hate them I just wish they weren't abusive
Very informative analysis of the incident and people involved. Your opinion on the severity of punishments and effects on the person's later life was very well on point.
Can you please do a vid on John Paul Getty and his grandson too?