A few more changes that weren't listed in the video. - 2, 4 doesn't knock down, instead gives heavy plus frames and can cancel into ZEN by holding forward. - Can do d/f+2+3 throw from ZEN. - ZEN1, 2 can be canceled into meme eyes by holding df during the animation for a fake-out. Looks really cool! - To check down jab after d+2 on hit do either ws+1, 2 or ws+4, 4 - former is a safe mid, mid. Latter the 2nd high can be ducked. Ws+3 is too slow here. (correction) - 2 jab also has buffed range as well as 1 and d/f+1 (just to make clear). - f+4 range maginally reduced (just a feeling, unconfirmed). - Rage Art is no longer a 13 frame high. Standard punishable mid like everyone else. Please let me know if I missed any more!
Yo Arya, I love how even when you're unscripted and largely unedited locked in a beta test, your breakdowns are still super polished and are concise while still being informative. If it was me, I'd be yapping away for hours of waffle if I didn't have a script pre prepared! Can't wait for your other char breakdowns.
I know a lot of Jin mains might be a little upset with some of the changes, but as a Devil Jin main that probably lost his character, the changes to Jin make me feel more at home considering i couldnt make Jin work at all for me do to his lack luster oki, couldnt really get the hang of zen cancels and overall worse range with his pokes it felt like besides forward 4
@@luping9941like what if hes the easiest? Hes still harder than 80 percent of the roster. I mean i shouldn't argue with u since ure just a bot saying random things
thanks a lot for this great overview! just in time to try my T7 main tomorrow in T8. overall he seems more fun! I love both his visual and gameplay changes!
5:02 - 5:05 Ah yes, Meme-Eyes Kazama Dragon, my favorite Yu-Gi-Oh card. Omen Electrics being mids seems fair since he can't rapid fire three or four in a row in typical Mishima fashion. The Omen Hellsweep is terrifying, though. You neglected one of Jin's most significant buffs: greatly enhanced model face.
Jin is the eternal millenial. But in spite of his late 90's tribal tattoos and affinity for flame print clothing - he still manages to achieve timeless appeal with his pose-heavy unorthadox karate and "rule of cool" overall design.
also note, electric cd1 also hits grounded, flips them over and has massive range but damage is the same as d2, if you do hit them while they stand up it's a launch just like heihachi's ff2 oki tool
the thing i'm most excited about is seeing your breakdown of tekken 8's steve when he comes out. your t7 steve full breakdown was the reason i got so good with him
Very fair take on the character. I am completely in love with how I think he might play in this game. Keep being fair and impartial to every characters unlike some other big streamers.
Imagine if Yoshimitsu will have strong defensive tools lmao, that would be funny, ngl. Jin though is so cool in this game. They worked really hard on him. And I like the fact that he's got some char development as well!
also just wanna point out that the game element style (like the stage loading and after-winning pose scene)... is somehow very inspired by your editing style (referring to your all tekken 7 character overview video that you make), or is it just me? what do you think?
Hope this doesnt come across as rude but I find this more "relaxed" voice (obviously it's just during a stream) more engaging than your more forceful RUclipsr script reading voice in some of your videos that sometimes gets too intense and I end up clicking off sometimes. Others may not agree and it might be hard to replicate with a script. Maybe your metrics say otherwise. Your content is very good and useful. Again, dont want to sound like a dick. Just thought I'd add your cadence here is much more up my alley with watching content like this.
i know that tekken 8 is all about offense, but I already had trouble blocking certain attacks/strings in tekken 7. Now its gonna be even harder. i hope there's at least one defensive character in this game
they gave him a bunch of cool stuff but coincidentally either completely removed or completely removed what i liked about 2 of my favorite jin moves zen 1+2 and zen 1 3
@@MintBN that's the issue I liked throwing them up in the air with both Converting it to a grab completely changes how you use the move and I really liked using it like that ;
Arya, does not going to a character combo trial stops the matchmaking, so you can do these breakdowns? Idk, i did not get acess to the beta, just an ideia. We did something similar to practice during SF6 demo
Hoping yoshi will be in the base roster. But i can say i played a lil jin and got him up to like fujin rank and he’s really fun character. He’s difficult but seems more honest now that devil jin is kinda fused into him now
I’ve never played a tekken game super hardcore before. If i practiced combos/strings in training mode with jin in tekken 7, will a lot of my practice carry over to tekken 8? Just wondering if its worth to help me prepare, would this apply to most characters since tekken is a legacy fighter?
Great job as always! Took me a minute to clock that you said "meme eyes" 🤣 Not sure what Vets think, but Meme Eyes might make Jin more accessible for casual or less skilled Mishima players (like me as a Lei main)
I wonder if lars is the only one with this but if you guys have player him Lars can now bound and screw from his ff1+2 ch which is a screw launcher. So far i think he's the only one with the old screw from T7 His ff1+2 ch screw launch and allows another screw for some reason
Never really tried Jin post T4, kinda wanna try him now but trying to learn long combos in Tekken has always been daunting for me, esp for characters I'm not too familiar with gameplay-wise
b3 to f zen 1 3 should be both a combo extender and ender. Should have been if you press 3, it's the combo extender, if you press 3+4, it's the combo ender. Could have been cool ngl.
Honestly, I don't like the direction they've taken with Jin in Tekken 8. In Tekken 7, his moves were neat and controlled, reminiscent of real life martial arts. Now, his fighting style has mostly been subsumed under new bombastic visuals that barely reflect real fighting style.
@@sarahbryant3784 Indeed. His movements were so fluid and controlled, they made sure his character represented a karateka as accurately as possible. They didn't have to butcher him like that.
Miss my df2 from 7, I always ch fished with it. Also with omen, from what I’ve played, everyone immediately jabs after the omen stance, rendering it useless on block for me. It might change, but I couldn’t even start a guessing game without being jabbed out of it lol
I hope they can add an additional input on the wall carry combo with pressing 3+4 for the grapple ender and keep the tekken 7 carry. Cause the new one is hella clunky and easy to miss based on some videos
@ThatBlastedSalami I've heard you can still zen cancel from f4 it's not safe on block anymore though. to zen cancel from zenshin you need to ss cancel the crouchdash instead of holding back
@@ThatBlastedSalami I don’t think I tested it with f3+4 zen I’d have to check my vods, but thank you for the clarification, if there’s anyone I can trust on Jin it’s you
Jin is so damn cool in Tekken 8. The only things I don't like about his changes are the new animation of his Zenshin 3+4 and his Electric WHF not having a distinct hit sound effect that differs itself from the normal WHF. I prefer the old animation of his Zenshin 3+4 because the side kick animation is well-executed, and his new animation looked like a roundhouse kick while hitting with the heel. I'm gonna miss his old Zenshin 2 as well. Evasive high damage mid. Being the only character with no sidestep moves, having an auto-sidestep move was important for him. But his new Zenshin 2 is pretty cool, too. It looks similar to the second hit of Devil Jin's f+1+2.
Jin main here, overall hes def better. the biggest thing is the oki tools are HUGE and tbh the 2,4 "nerf" feels okay because as old jin main you want them to stand instead of just laying down. getting a spin and mix is kind what you want anyway. im sure alot of damage and some hit boxes will be adjusted but so far EVERYONE in the game looks amazing. Thanks Arya for the continued love for the game and the awesome videos for us that couldnt get in. Looking foward to running into you after launch :)
He still looks completely busted but in different ways now. Just really happy his hellsweep at least doesn't launch. Probably the most annoying low in 7.
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A few more changes that weren't listed in the video.
- 2, 4 doesn't knock down, instead gives heavy plus frames and can cancel into ZEN by holding forward.
- Can do d/f+2+3 throw from ZEN.
- ZEN1, 2 can be canceled into meme eyes by holding df during the animation for a fake-out. Looks really cool!
- To check down jab after d+2 on hit do either ws+1, 2 or ws+4, 4 - former is a safe mid, mid. Latter the 2nd high can be ducked. Ws+3 is too slow here. (correction)
- 2 jab also has buffed range as well as 1 and d/f+1 (just to make clear).
- f+4 range maginally reduced (just a feeling, unconfirmed).
- Rage Art is no longer a 13 frame high. Standard punishable mid like everyone else.
Please let me know if I missed any more!
just frame cd1 now gives pancake flip on grounded im p sure
@@Hugs288 Yep, covered these in the vid!
@@ThatBlastedSalami i thought you missed that because you mentioned oki at the beginning, my bad, great work
@@ThatBlastedSalamionly 1 throw can be performed after ZEN?
Wait cant zen be cancelled by sidestepping
Yo Arya, I love how even when you're unscripted and largely unedited locked in a beta test, your breakdowns are still super polished and are concise while still being informative. If it was me, I'd be yapping away for hours of waffle if I didn't have a script pre prepared! Can't wait for your other char breakdowns.
4:52 love how he just went perfectly on beat vibin 😂
Just the most complete and informative breakdown I've seen so far for jin, thank you!
Love how Jin is synthesizing moves from his devil form and Heihachi
Doesnt his shoryken guile kick look like lars his move , maybe he trained with ubcle lars😂
@@crisalcantara7671 that's not a bag idea, actually. They were hanging at the end of 7
I'm so ready to see Steve's changes after seeing the crazy changes they've done across the board
I can't wait! If I had to make a prediction, mini combo only after ch b+1. Maybe FLK2 to db+2. He's gonna be so scary in PKB with chip damage though.
I've been waiting for someone to make an in-depth video like this. Good job! Maybe we'll see some more changes when the final version comes out.
I know a lot of Jin mains might be a little upset with some of the changes, but as a Devil Jin main that probably lost his character, the changes to Jin make me feel more at home considering i couldnt make Jin work at all for me do to his lack luster oki, couldnt really get the hang of zen cancels and overall worse range with his pokes it felt like besides forward 4
That's what u get when u play the easiest Mishima character (Devil Jin)
@@luping9941easiest mishima is lars
@@ramkindalethal732nah bruh lars is a power ranger lol
@@luping9941even after the nerfs there’s still devil Jin haters, take your mailman propaganda somewhere else
@@luping9941like what if hes the easiest? Hes still harder than 80 percent of the roster. I mean i shouldn't argue with u since ure just a bot saying random things
Thankyou for the breakdown best breakdown I've seen so far. Looking forward for other characters breakdown 😊
Best TEKKEN content on the internet. Awesome video!
thanks a lot for this great overview! just in time to try my T7 main tomorrow in T8. overall he seems more fun! I love both his visual and gameplay changes!
I think DF4 is neutral on block, I traded jabs a couple of times. Definitely not -3.
Loved the vid. Looking forward to the Kazuya video!
5:02 - 5:05 Ah yes, Meme-Eyes Kazama Dragon, my favorite Yu-Gi-Oh card.
Omen Electrics being mids seems fair since he can't rapid fire three or four in a row in typical Mishima fashion. The Omen Hellsweep is terrifying, though.
You neglected one of Jin's most significant buffs: greatly enhanced model face.
Face: Thumbnail.
I love Jin's meme eye's. A worthy sacrifice losing his old df2, cuz his meme eye's are just perfection lol.
im convinced to play jin. he looks super fun and the last time he felt like a shiny new toy for me was (obviously) T4.
I had the most fun with Jin during the CNT just because he felt so different (yet still recognisably Jin).
Jin is the eternal millenial. But in spite of his late 90's tribal tattoos and affinity for flame print clothing - he still manages to achieve timeless appeal with his pose-heavy unorthadox karate and "rule of cool" overall design.
@@theedwardianJin is far from pure karateka in T8 tho..
It can't be compared to Lidia anymore
i really like this format of content too man, keep it up !
also note, electric cd1 also hits grounded, flips them over and has massive range but damage is the same as d2, if you do hit them while they stand up it's a launch just like heihachi's ff2 oki tool
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation,❤ i hope you provide a detailed overview on Nina as well.
Great video Exploding Ham! Keep it up!
The new df+2 is giving me shades of Tag 1 Jin's b+1 but better
His tag 1 b1 had cooler animation imo
Not a fan of claw moves
the thing i'm most excited about is seeing your breakdown of tekken 8's steve when he comes out. your t7 steve full breakdown was the reason i got so good with him
🥊
Im really liking these more natural, on the fly style breakdowns
I loved the overview please do more.
Do one for each character if you can. Nice video
I will try my best this coming weekend!
Wonderful and Informative as always! 🎉
Great work as always!
I subscribed the moment I heard cat sounds. Someone finally did it 🤣
Didn't realize the divekick was plus on block, that's so cool.
Yes a Tekken 8 Breakdown, this is I've been waiting for.
jin having fahks/hwo’s d3,4 and drags d2 sounds like a t7 fever dream mod 😂
Excellent video!
Awesome video, thanks a lot!
Im def maining jin again in this game, i am so happy he has omen back
Oh this was a treat. Please do kazuya next, this was a real eye opener.
This is their way of saying bye kazumi, hei and devil jin 😢
Nicely edited
I've been asking the WHOLE WEEK why Jin's eyes were glowing red and nobody answered me.
Thanks salami
The biggest actual change is that everything is a million times easier. But i guess that's universal for all characters.
Very fair take on the character. I am completely in love with how I think he might play in this game. Keep being fair and impartial to every characters unlike some other big streamers.
This was hype AF. Can't wait to buy the game.
Man that was a good video!
Probably going to be my secondary. Can’t wait for Bryan coverage
The laugh before talking about his lows is very telling 😂
I really like the zen+4 down sweep kick, but replacement is cool to watch
The old kick is still there just a different input
@@aeron.d.embers what's the input? Haven't tried tekken 8 yet
@FedJimSmith same as it would be for Heihachi. Crouch and hold df 4
This was very cool , thanks
I'm most excited by the cd1 change. No longer will everyone bully me by staying on the ground and gaining the upper hand.
props for knowing of the T3 remixes
I would watch a breakdown like this for the whole cast 😁😁😁
Very educative as ever
Imagine if Yoshimitsu will have strong defensive tools lmao, that would be funny, ngl. Jin though is so cool in this game. They worked really hard on him. And I like the fact that he's got some char development as well!
16:41 jumpscare. Thought it was my cat doing weird stuff lol
also just wanna point out that the game element style (like the stage loading and after-winning pose scene)... is somehow very inspired by your editing style (referring to your all tekken 7 character overview video that you make), or is it just me? what do you think?
Hope this doesnt come across as rude but I find this more "relaxed" voice (obviously it's just during a stream) more engaging than your more forceful RUclipsr script reading voice in some of your videos that sometimes gets too intense and I end up clicking off sometimes.
Others may not agree and it might be hard to replicate with a script. Maybe your metrics say otherwise.
Your content is very good and useful.
Again, dont want to sound like a dick. Just thought I'd add your cadence here is much more up my alley with watching content like this.
Not at all, I really appreciate the feedback!
Lars taught Jin the low sweep well
thank you Sir
The blessed salami🙏🙏🙏 looking forward to info on my girl xiaoyu
I hope there’s a video for every returning character it’s interesting to see
I can’t play this game to save my life, but I still watched
i know that tekken 8 is all about offense, but I already had trouble blocking certain attacks/strings in tekken 7. Now its gonna be even harder. i hope there's at least one defensive character in this game
I think T8's motto is that a good offense is the best defense. It might not be to everyone's taste.
do a KING one! Love your content!
they gave him a bunch of cool stuff but coincidentally either completely removed or completely removed what i liked about 2 of my favorite jin moves
zen 1+2 and zen 1 3
B1,2 is more or less Zen 1+2 spiritual successor. Zen 1,3 is still there, it just converts to a grab if 3 is hit iirc.
@@MintBN that's the issue I liked throwing them up in the air with both
Converting it to a grab completely changes how you use the move and I really liked using it like that ;
Arya, does not going to a character combo trial stops the matchmaking, so you can do these breakdowns? Idk, i did not get acess to the beta, just an ideia. We did something similar to practice during SF6 demo
Hoping yoshi will be in the base roster. But i can say i played a lil jin and got him up to like fujin rank and he’s really fun character. He’s difficult but seems more honest now that devil jin is kinda fused into him now
Does anyone else find it funny that once he said heat his cat meowed 😂
I’ve never played a tekken game super hardcore before. If i practiced combos/strings in training mode with jin in tekken 7, will a lot of my practice carry over to tekken 8? Just wondering if its worth to help me prepare, would this apply to most characters since tekken is a legacy fighter?
Jin singing : dragunov ain't got shit on me
I wish you could switch between defense and aggressive move sets in Tekken. That sounds like a fun premise.
Jin new d2 move is basically the same as Dragunov d2 other than it counter hits if you think of it
Great job as always! Took me a minute to clock that you said "meme eyes" 🤣
Not sure what Vets think, but Meme Eyes might make Jin more accessible for casual or less skilled Mishima players (like me as a Lei main)
I wonder if lars is the only one with this but if you guys have player him Lars can now bound and screw from his ff1+2 ch which is a screw launcher. So far i think he's the only one with the old screw from T7
His ff1+2 ch screw launch and allows another screw for some reason
Nice guide, I think lows are weaker than before overall jin looks more safe to use and easy
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Never really tried Jin post T4, kinda wanna try him now but trying to learn long combos in Tekken has always been daunting for me, esp for characters I'm not too familiar with gameplay-wise
do you think that dragunov will be able to be the base roster for t8?, its seems like that namco gave dragunov strong movement to the others.
b3 to f zen 1 3 should be both a combo extender and ender. Should have been if you press 3, it's the combo extender, if you press 3+4, it's the combo ender. Could have been cool ngl.
Honestly, I don't like the direction they've taken with Jin in Tekken 8. In Tekken 7, his moves were neat and controlled, reminiscent of real life martial arts. Now, his fighting style has mostly been subsumed under new bombastic visuals that barely reflect real fighting style.
You want realism then play vf or ufc
@@philgamer9499 I've never said that I want 'realism', but I don't want fireworks either.
@@philgamer9499Lidia represents karate greatly..
When I see Jin I don't notice it anymore
@@sarahbryant3784 Indeed. His movements were so fluid and controlled, they made sure his character represented a karateka as accurately as possible. They didn't have to butcher him like that.
Hopefully lidia actually makes it in t8. I also hope they don’t butcher her
db4 giving just +frames is crazy, considering it was a CH launcher in season 1 of T7 lol
devilster already discovered zen cancel, df, up neutral its the same as t7 zen cancel but more confusing and harder
Do one for King too!
Miss my df2 from 7, I always ch fished with it.
Also with omen, from what I’ve played, everyone immediately jabs after the omen stance, rendering it useless on block for me. It might change, but I couldn’t even start a guessing game without being jabbed out of it lol
Others found that you can cancel zen by using UP and B just like Dragunov's sway.
Tekken 7 Jin: Bad Boy
Tekken 8 Jin: Mommas boy
Great video as always 👌🏾. Are chickens still in the game? 🤞🏾
Cheers! I think chickens might be out unfortunately but still need to confirm that.
He got that Heihachi df+1 range
I hope they can add an additional input on the wall carry combo with pressing 3+4 for the grapple ender and keep the tekken 7 carry. Cause the new one is hella clunky and easy to miss based on some videos
Jin needs his hood! The jacked has a hood!
good stuff
In heat: "receptive to mating".
You can cancel zen it just by pressing forward if you want free electric you would cancel into df
You can only cancel backwards Zen with forward. The one you get from moves can only be canceled into meme eyes / sidestep.
@ThatBlastedSalami I've heard you can still zen cancel from f4 it's not safe on block anymore though. to zen cancel from zenshin you need to ss cancel the crouchdash instead of holding back
@@ThatBlastedSalami I don’t think I tested it with f3+4 zen I’d have to check my vods, but thank you for the clarification, if there’s anyone I can trust on Jin it’s you
Jin is so damn pretty.
the sound of the meme eyes when you crouch dash 😂
Nurfing Jins parry really has upset me 😂 the online net code better be Perfect!
Yoooo.. do hwoarang next
Jin is so damn cool in Tekken 8. The only things I don't like about his changes are the new animation of his Zenshin 3+4 and his Electric WHF not having a distinct hit sound effect that differs itself from the normal WHF.
I prefer the old animation of his Zenshin 3+4 because the side kick animation is well-executed, and his new animation looked like a roundhouse kick while hitting with the heel.
I'm gonna miss his old Zenshin 2 as well. Evasive high damage mid. Being the only character with no sidestep moves, having an auto-sidestep move was important for him. But his new Zenshin 2 is pretty cool, too. It looks similar to the second hit of Devil Jin's f+1+2.
Uf2 was always better than zen 2 it was useless outside of combos at high level
If anything, they could bring back the old Zen 2 as FC d/f+2. Same way they did with the old Zen 4, now outside of Zen.
Or as u/b+2.
@@XiaoGege From standing? Nah. His 10-string already took that spot. And that one's a nice change.
@@theproduction22 We need those 10-hit strings taken out 😩 I honestly never found them anyhow useful.
Bryan breakdown waiting room
is it possible to turn off that heat cinematic animation?
I don't know what mechanics the "neon Wolverine claws" signal but they look stupid.
Jin main here, overall hes def better. the biggest thing is the oki tools are HUGE and tbh the 2,4 "nerf" feels okay because as old jin main you want them to stand instead of just laying down. getting a spin and mix is kind what you want anyway. im sure alot of damage and some hit boxes will be adjusted but so far EVERYONE in the game looks amazing. Thanks Arya for the continued love for the game and the awesome videos for us that couldnt get in. Looking foward to running into you after launch :)
This breakdown is so much good than TMM has, don't get me wrong i love how TMM breakdown his jin but this one? More better than him.
He still looks completely busted but in different ways now. Just really happy his hellsweep at least doesn't launch. Probably the most annoying low in 7.