Please stop complaining about every move that Jin has. I will not accept to play one more Tekken game full of narrow minded people complaining about "how Jin is OP" because they made their own opinion based on your hate speech. Just play the Game. As a Jin main i was not spamming d2 last weekend. Everyone is not thinking that "abusing stuff is the only way to have fun" . F4 is a keep out tool so ofc i will use it. ( Bryan's 3+4 is annoying but i will not make a video asking for a nerf. ) Also, you can't compare Tekken 7 Gameplay & FramData to Tekken 8, these two are different games with different mechanics. Please, if you want to do a " First Impressions video " of 12 min long, don't take more of the half of the time talking s**** about the character. I play Jin and YES i felt offended. Now i get some flash back of my Tekken 7 " career " where even after a *beautiful legit win*, the biased opponent says " YeAh BuT JiN is BrOkeN " instead of saying " GG ". In Tekken 7 season 4 Jin was a " tryhard " character with " no fun allowed " because every one of your community was crying about his tools and it all started like right now. YOU kinda made him almost unplayable for casuals who just want to have fun or play Tekken 1 time per week. Now in Tekken 8 Jin is " Fun and accessible" again and you will start to complain again. The thing that made me get mad is; you like to play cheap characters based on abusing stuff to Win like Marduk but you can't let Jin have a slow a$$ panic move to relax a bit. Or in exchange you need to cut his whole right leg to feel like he is balanced. This is annoying.
I'll just never understand the "Jin is broken" crowd. Dude only has a better win rate than Yoshimitsu in Tekken 7, not to mention that people say "Jin is broken if you master all his moves" yeah no shit, EVERY CHARACTER IS SUPER GOOD WHEN YOU MASTER THEM. What does that even mean? If you have to master and know the correct tactic to go far in Tekken instead of picking characters like Asuka or Katarina with easy toolkits where knowing 20% is enough to get you far, then how is that a "broken character". Just makes no sense.
Funniest part is TMM complain about F4, a crippled move, when Lili has the same F4 Jin had in season 2 , and he never mentionned her. F4 zen is a gimmick, and I can't believe TMM doesn't know you can block this shit with a df1 , or that sidestep right block avoid all option. I'm pretty sure he knows and he choses to hightlight it as a broken move, when really, its just a weaker version of Bryan 3+4 and similar CHLauncher. because Bryan doesn't lose his turn when he does it. Nor does Lili. Heihachi has a 100% broken knee f3 , 20 frame but 0 on block , and nobody talk about it either.
Ohh Mainmann.... Even in Tekken 8 you still saying Jin is super buffed and Top tier while Kazuya is hard and nerfed... Kazuya wall string Beats Every Jin buff
Bro stays slandering Jin. Every character has busted shit now, i like how you had no criticism for Bryan when he’s absolutely broken. He wants jin to remain one of the worst performing characters online. You can’t balance around top level only…
His issue is that the 2 tools in question completely invalidate the rest of Jin's toolkit and his identity as a multitool character with moves designed for specific purposes. Jin in T7 was known to be a complete character, but one that required player investment. Jin had tools for every situation, but many were very specifically tailored to do one thing well and nothing more (he talks about that with the lows at 5:35), which was in contrast with many of the newcomers in T7 who had fewer and more flexible moves that could be used in multiple situations. It's one of the defining traits of the character, which is marred by these bad design decisions. People hated the newcomers in T7 because they are generic all rounders and don't have interesting quirks, weaknesses, strengths or limitations unlike the ones that came from earlier games. Bandai Namco should know better by now. TMM in general really dislikes the dumbing down of characters and removal of skill expression. He already talked in length about Law and the DSS skill removal which necessitates nerfing DSS because the strength was being balanced around the difficulty, so its just a straight up nerf for skilled law players and removal of player expression.
@@ShayzenDG Literally, let us Jin mains have fun for once. Then he just shrugs off the absolutely broken new Kazuya string. I really can’t stand this guy sometimes. He’s the reason Jin got unnecessarily nerfed in T7 because the devs watch his videos 😂
@@cell4224I don't like that biased identity of having to master 40 moves to be nearly decent, while Kazuya can just be played with hellsweep and ff3, give that archetype of character to something like Lei, not to the portrait main protagonist
Gave Bryan guard breaks and easy mode taunt launches and made his df2 3 SAFE for some idiotic reason. And all he has to say is “strong stuff”. Cause Bryan is a character he actually likes. As if he needed these buffs.
In march at the time of alpha test, he was saying jin got so much nerfed and that and was happy, now just look, how fast his opinions changed about jin, now saying ,got buffed so much, you guys are just falling to him
I honestly believe that he wants Kazuya to be way stronger than Jin IMO..Kazuya also has a lot of absurdity but you'll never hear him say it because of the complete biasness towards Jin.
I kinda wish Omen Stance worked how it did in Tag 2, but it works similarly to Jinpachi's d3+4 stance in Tag 2, where he got a 1 button TGF and 1 button EWGF.
There's no breakdown here. You've missed a lot of stuff. You're picturing the character like he's a beast just like in T7, and he's not. You just pointed out two busted moves and exaggerated the rest. He gained a lot of reach on his pokes and 1+2 but also lost some okizeme, counter hit tools, no ZEN cancel(outside of the side step cancel that doesn't make it safe), and the ZEN options... They're okay (most of them jab interruptible tho). Thing is, you're hating on the character because of two moves. T8 Jin can't hold a candle toT7 Jin. This version is not better than the later, that's for sure.
That looked like Heihachi's left backhand chop, at 1:31. I'm almost sure of it. Eishomon, I think it's called (the full move was that, and a right low kick).
Yeah you cancel SS into guard in the wavedash, but it's slower and also a bit harder to do fast cause you have to do a half circle back and that's an awkward hand movement.
I think it's good if they have made Jin easier to pick up for the casual player. He is the main character in both Tekken 8 and in the anime, so lots of ppl are gonna want to play him.
I will never use the parry anymore. Them dumbing him down I don't really care tbh. As long as Jin is strong i'll have fun. Idgaf about balancing anymore. Not after tekken 7. I just care about having fun.
It’s not tracking. Why can’t he have that db4 gives nothing anymore. Why can kazuya have d1+2 then ? Stop crying they nuked his execution requirements too making him easy
So....just to be clear given all the things it has over db2, I'd say it's fair to say that it's literally nothing like db2. The only commonality is that is a low using his right hand.
The salt and bias is showing too much TMM, you literally can't make more obvious than this video. I mean dude slandered Jin on every aspect that got buffed and when talking about other characters like Kazuya and Bryan, it's just a little slap on the wrist. I don't even main Jin, I play Lee, and the hate is real with this guy lol. Sure some of his shit is busted, but asking for his pokes to go back to T7, as a poke oriented character, are kidding? D2 is 100% going to get nerfed, so pointing this out in this video to hammer home your bias was unnecessary. His F4 being easier to pick-up on CH is fine, specially if they want to make characters more accessable, plus the fact you can't cancel Zen makes the move at lot more risky overall. Thatblastedsalami's breakdown of Jin, pointed out some crazy shit Jin has now, while still being balanced with his opinion.
This is becoming really annoying, themainman always trying to create a negative image toward this character, so the community can repeat it and Jin players get all the complaining when they use him,. Nothing is broken about him in t8, lots of buffs, lots of nerfs. I don't know what is the problem that you have with this character but this ain't funny anymore.
Jin rightfully deserves some buffs. Not sure if I like how 'easy' he has become but I welcome it. He's now the protag again so he should be very welcoming especially to newcomers since a lot of new Tekken players will try him out of course.
@@frantschou2369 one of the best true but he's also not easy to play either until now. As for buffs, T7 nerfed Jin in later seasons unnecessarily. I like the changes in T8, some trade-offs but overall buffed than in T7, as he should be.
Least biased kazuya main take… jins d2 is literally a clone of kazuya’s d 1+2, no one bitched about that move (not sure if that move was slightly slower)… he had a counter hit launching db4 which was removed in Tekken 7. Take away the d2 ch launch, give him back his zen cancels, his zen 1+2, his launching hell sweep.
And for your kind information tmmswe, bustzuya's game can also played by only one string df3+4,1,2. Two hits and game over d2 is faar less less less broken than that hell
You're being biased. Just seems like you want Kazuya to be ahead of Jin at every turn. Yet, Kazuya has a 5 hit broken string. Your disdain for Jin is showing. Of course his f4 is looking fatal. He already lost his magic 4 counter. Plus zen cancel is harder. So buffing f4, I see no inherent issue. Also, have you been watching people play Jin in tekken 8 lately? All of his lows have been used for multiple situations. Not just the new low. Also, judging his zen cancel and saying player expression is gone is a bit stupid. Seen Devilster zen cancel without doing the side step. Seems like you're holding up for too long.
I doubt Namco really care enough to specifically make certain pickup combo easier (Jin CH f4), they might just improve the overall input polling/buffering for better netcode, and to fix the cross-platform input lag issue (since everyone complaint about input lag in PS4 and PS5), and hence making some harder combo easier like Jin CH f4 and Kaz PEWGF.
And kazuya being busted you have no problem D2 being busted is giving you sparks, kazuya's df3+4,1,2 move being totally busted you said just nerf a part of that, he will get nerfed to oblivion for sure
In Kazuya's video when you talked about that BS string that does a million damage the only thing you said was "the pushback needs to get nerfed". Oh but that ridiculous damage that eats all of your health bar is somewhat OK because Kazuya can get launched after it, and also because "that's what legacy Kazuya does"... Now Jin gets some sick moves that work and are efficient and somehow they need to get nerfed? They don't even do all that damage compared to the rest of the roster...! I admit that I don't understand your reasoning here. Jin is the main character and should be somewhat accessible since the story mode will be all about him and his father. Being accessible doesn't mean it doesn't require technique or timing... So let's keep Jin's movelist enjoyable like you just showed here, and let's actually nerf Kazuya's broken damage output which is absolutely not justifiable. BTW before I get blasted by the community, my comment is by no means an attack towards TMM. I just expressed my thoughts on the subject since this what the comment section is here for.
@@chucklos391 As someone who enjoyed Tekken 7 Jin and loved his solid moveset and high skill ceiling, I agree that he should be a little bit easier. He's gonna be the face of the game along with Kazuya; might as well help newcomers ease into the game by getting used with Jin.
Tmm doesn't like Jin, he want him to remain a low/ mid tier- characters. Jin didn't win a major tournament since season 2 and 2018, nobody picks him beside loyalist, but TMM complains about him being ''top 5, top 10''. What a joke. If Jin was that strong, you'd see him picked instead of Julia/Feng/Steve/ Akuma and so on. But the only people that play Jin are Jin main that have been playing him for years, like CBM, danielmado, Chikurin, book. Jin has a garbage WR online and is one of the hardest character online, stats don't lie.
I knew he was just gonna complain about anything Jin has that’s good and swear everything Kazuya has that’s good is warranted like he always does and just like he did the entirety of Tekken 7 and he didn’t disappoint. If mainman had it his way Jin wouldn’t have a single counter hit launcher and Kazuya’s flash punch would carry you from one end of the screen to the other.
I haven't watched this. But I bet it's main man swe complaining about jin once again. Edit: I was right. Main man swe complaining about EVERY GOOD THING jin has
Nah, Bryan is cool in his book, too, doesn't matter that Bryan was also made way easier and has his own busted stuff. So basically all the characters he actually likes and playes are fair and balanced. Also, Kazuya is the hardest character in the game and deserves all the buffs. And despite several people having Kazuya as the strongest character or among the strongest characters in the CNT, according to TMM 'Kazuya is good, but not that good'. Alsways downplaying Kazuya so that he doesn't get nerfed while advocating for everyone else to be made worse forever and ever.
Hardest character?! That's a joke. All you need to know is at least 7 moves. The mainman said this himself. BUT just because he is the "Hardest" character in the BETA doesn't mean he should have a guarantee string that does half your lifebar
I mained Jin throughout 7, but seems like they made no changes to him that actually like, so not sure if I will in 8. The only change I have actually wanted is hellsweep not launching. It seems like they turned him into simple and effective character that doesn’t have to rely on precise timing anymore. And I hate the Omen stance, unfortunately. + frames on block into a forced 50/50 is my least favorite part of Tekken.
Mostly agreed. I do like Omen stance in concept. It just needs some rebalancing. TBH I wished they Jin's new DJ style claw swipes and flips exclusive to Omen stance. Part of what drew me to Jin was his controled but explosive fighting style. Having all that over-the-top stuff in his regular moveset takes away from the appeal of the character for me.
Jin is tremendously more interesting in Tekken 8 then 7 but I get what you mean. I don't agree with it, but I understand your point. Also, I think these content providers are misrepresenting Jin's new D2. I keep hearing that it's not launch punishable. Yet it's -14? That's a straight up lie my guy. If it has too much push back, I would understand the issue but there are various i13 and i14 moves like Kazuya's twin piston that straight up destroys Jin's low game. Even Jin can launch it himself with WS2. Because of the animation speed you have more than enough time to tell that you blocked it and use the appropriate punish for the move. I thought that was one of your things MMSWE. Jin's "identity" requires that you the player use a very specific move. Otherwise, you just suck for not knowing every single counter and punish in the game like you should. Does that not apply to other characters as well?
@@championredd Are you saying that I'm downplaying D2? I only stated facts so if that is the case then I don't know where you get that from. If you want my straight up opinion on the move, then I would say yea it would be overpowered probably if this was Tekken 7 and probably will be in 8. More than likely it should operate like Devil Jin's db2 with the frames it has or be more heavily launch punishable. However, I legit don't know enough about this games frame data when it comes to the rest of the characters to give a relevant opinion. Most FG players seem to forget that this is a important point when considering if something is broken. You can't just look at one character and say "broken" and then your character has launching throws, launching power cruches, mid crushing(evading) launchers with unjustifiable punishments to them. That's why at this point it doesn't bother me. I don't see the point of saying something is broken when you have not played the game yet.
I just got few things to mention @TheMainManSwe. Why complain about Jin now? He is completely parallel with Kazuya gameplay wise. Both characters are nearly identical in gameplay. Kazuya wind god fist launches and now so does Jin's. Kazuya has a D2 that is a counter hit launcher so does Jin now. Kazuya has f,f 2 which is similar to Jin's Demon paw. Jin's hell sweep is like Kazuya now, it's a two hit knock down. So please explain to me what is with all this hate and complaints about Jin when Kazuya shares the same thing that his son's has?
@@nixuniverse5240 You just always seem to complain about not ranking up in TMM's comments, so I assumed you were still a green rank. Just thought it was ironic you writing this comment lol. Well it's good to see you made it to Purple now. Again, I just thought it was funny.
I feel like d2 is deserved since they removed like like 6 or 7 of his counter hit launchers in which fishing for counter hits with good timing was apart of his gameplan
Classic FGC mentality: Community: "we need more people to play our game" Devs: *makes game more casual friendly* Community: "how dare they cater to the casuals and not to me, who has been playing this game since Tekken 1" I get being annoyed at simplification, but Jin is the face of the game, most new people are going to want to play him. its ok if he's easy to play. and if anything Tekken 7/6/5 still exists so if you want a more "player expressive" Jin you can play that. I still play third strike for this exact same reason.
“we need more people to play our game” Nobody says this and the strawman solution to your strawman hypothetical regarding “making the game easier in every conceivable way” has never once netted any positive results. Every single fighting game that adopted that approach had their playercounts fall off a cliff a few months after release. Granblu Fantasy Versus? Dead game, Guilty Gear Strive? Dead game, all of those “easy input casual friendly gimmick games” that were all the rage around the mid teens those games were dead on arrival. This approach does not work. Casuals do not care if games are easy or hard to play they literally just want to boot up mortal kombat and watch Jason fight Sub Zero. Casuals DO NOT care about execution requirements they care about doing a fatality on their irl friends.
@@walmartian422 Dude MK is by FAR the most "easy" fighting game and it KILLS all other fighting games in Sales, so the "game difficult = sales" opinion doesn't hold an water. You (and others) may not like it but those are facts, Same goes for Smash, we can debate if that is a "fighting game" or not but its easy to pick up and play with a high skill celling. Hell, even SF6 is pretty simple to pick up and play. The major thing these games all have is that the "face" of the game (Ryu, Liu Kang/Scorpion, Mario) are all accessible for new players; you play them learn the basics of the game then potentially pick a more specialized character. I don't think its unreasonable to make the dude on the front of the package be accessible to new players. If you want a dead game to look at take a look at Virtua Fighter. Insanely difficult game and its pretty much dead as a franchise.
Exactly bro... Exactly... Heihachi and kazuya have easy launchers but Jin can't... He can only launch on electric, like wtf ????? Some people can't do electric so they just don't use Jin???? I use Jin, and I can do normal launchers but not electrics, ask me how difficult it is to play with him without his electric... I really like this change... And people hate... Like wtf dude???
The main issue is that it’s an easy convert on a move as crazy as f4. He was already well rounded, but now he’s well rounded with basically the best moves in the game
Tombstone can launch, df3+4,1,2 deletes your healtbar and literally kills you at the wall, f3 has the most insane range same with db1 yet its Jin thats busted and not Kaz? I agree that d2 should be launch punishable but everything else is high level bitching
You're right about things being subject to change which is just another reason to be critical about things that need to be criticized so the developers can listen to us so the changes that they make are good ones
You are only saying jin busted, when he had some nerfs, and about kazuya some syringe gets injected to you, when talking about kaz's df 3+4,1,2 and other big buffs he got, stop misguiding your audience or playing tactics on them, we know how much 'HONEST' opinion you give on jin, what do you want more to get nerfed, no one wants your menacing reviews
I don’t understand people 🤦♂️,yet at the very beginning of the lauch of the game,you all said that Jin was weak,that we had tzken this or that from him and suddenly he becomes god tier again?i never doubted my Jin ,at the first trailer ,i knew it was the best version of fatal lightning 😌.
IMHO they need to nerf that d+2, but I don't really mind the F+4 too much considering Zen-cancel is now more difficult to make safe. I'd probably be more willing for a return to the old F+4 if their willing to give us back Zen-cancel. In Tekken 7, even pro players would opt to just commit to Zen after F+4, and zen cancel when they see its blocked, or wavu if they see it hit/CH. Committing to Zen is scary without a way to get out of it safely is scary, so having the option to just not go into Zen is okay for me I guess, though I prefer having Zen-canel again over the easy pickup
@@Cezkarma I meant for Tekken 7. Pro players would commit to Zen, and cancel it or wavuwavu to pickup. I can do the pickup even without Zen in T7 but it's a gigantic hassle and inconsistent. I can do the Shiro combo more consistently than that pickup on T7 (tho that's just me). In T8, the pickup is a lot easier, and I get that it makes the move a bit easier, which is why I said I'm okay with the easy pickup since F+4 into Zen is scarier to just throw out now for Tekken 8. Its a change I dont mind being kept if Zen-cancel is out the window. I just think it's a change that was made when considering the nerfs he took to his defensive tools/options
Kazuya's new string deserves a heavy nerf more than Jin's D2. Just make D2 launch-punishable (alternative is to nerf damage/range/CH properties if not launch-punishable), but Kaz's new string needs to get its damage reduced.
D2 having so many properties is giving you problem, but kazuya, you were biased for that bro What do you think jin mains are fools or we cant understand
Anytime I hear "This character is easier now" im just like...yeah obviously. I dont really care for Jin, so eh. I will say the bias is 100% showing. Man made it seem like Kazuya only needed small nerfs but Jin was Leroy levels.
....Tell that to your main Kazuya demo man string on heat, easy hellsweep to heavens gate and easy electric on heat, df3+412, and hellsweep. If you want him to be a "2 move character" as you said, kazuya could be simplified as df3+412 and hellsweep. But when jin gets a reactable low that has broken properties (While i do agree the ch properties should be nerfed, i reacted to it after 5 matches with jins), you complain? I'm pretty sure if your main gets that, you wouldn't say a single thing at all or downplay it saying thats its reactable. So come on, man. If you want to say easier and more bs, at least be fair and not biased and say that to your main too.
if we should be complaining about anything, it’s the auto electrics etc. making the character and game so much more accessible to people who never even really put in the time to get better. Things like law dss being gone Jin having literally 2 auto electrics like those are the problems. Not a -14 ch launching low. Db4 launched for over 20 years until ppl cried about it. He needs a low that does something. It’s funny how he always finds reasons to hate it if it’s Jin but cries about it if it’s kazuya
I think the reason Jin and Kazuya are strong is fitting to the game’s upcoming story mode. Why do devs nerf their main characters? Capcom have a bad habit of doing a Ryu dirty constantly.
@@leonelgarcia2651imo they should make db4 launch on ch just like in the old days of tekken 7. d2 should be like dragunov's, plus frames and evasion but no launch. if you want a launch you should sacrifice evasion (and maybe less plus frames on hit)
Tmm wants Jin and kaz to be nerfed,he will have them nerfed till the game comes out because apparently tekken makers do listen to him and later on will complain how Yoshi/kuni/paul/xiaoyu and most of the characters in the game apart from mishimas are "Cheap characters" And then mishima mains will have to fight with their wings chopped off against ridiculously buffed characters all thanks to the legend tmm
No One: What do you think about Kazuya? TMM: So hard everything is nerfed and so hard and so hard and nerfed beyond any one and so hard and so on... No One: What do you think about Jin? TMM: He is broken in every version of game. All his moves are broken always. OMG Jin is so buffed. MG F4 is is soooooooooo broken. So buffed .... No One: Why dont you play Jin then? TMM: Yes.
Jin d2 is react table you just need more time with the game to bake it in your muscle memory. other players and RUclipsrs said the same point. F4 reach has been nerfed in T8 IMO. A lot of players didn’t realize that yet. I attempted to punish Paul death fist multiple times and it didn’t even reach and I got wiff punished for it. Seeing MM Kaz video I can’t believe how he even try’s to make sense of Kaz disgusting string. that’s it’s ok but they need to nerf the pushback.. that’s it !! Did you see the damage of the string against a wall combo ?! It ridiculous.. MM is full of shit when it comes to Jin video Kaz in his video is perfect and NAMCO better not touch him
My only issue is ppl saying the game is easier to play now like is that a problem. I stopped playing T7 because its so hard to play 200 moves to use and memorize geez like can other ppl enjoy the game instead of you try hards i would like to play and enjoy tekken again i dont have the time to sit there and lab for hours and days i dont mind complex gameplay at least make some stuff easier to get into to pick up the game and enjoy it like everyone else without sone dude msging me some dumb crap cus i can barely do a combo the game is to hard bruh seriously and by the way TMM i love your content brother I really do same time I paid full price for that game and first dlc pack deluxe upgrade just to sit in my library and collect dust waste of money I love watching you and other creators and events I love watching I would like to enjoy like you guys do I can't do so because of the complexity of the game it's ridiculous I really hope it's easier to pick up and play
I discovered som tech at the wall. On wall splat 1,2,3 giving guaranteed d4, which gives the same flip as the D2 on grounded. As they're at wall, they can't just get up and have to tech roll, otherwise the jin can get Df1,4 into wall splat again and full combo from there.
I think they should keep him like this, he is always the most played character (for new and casual players) so if he is strong and easy to use it will make more people stay with the game. Picking up Jin in T7 and having such a massive execution ceiling probably put a lot of new players off - and we want the community, player base and the game to grow don’t we?
Maybe but things like f4 not needing execution to pick up is dumb since new players are not gonna do it regardless of it being easier. There are good changes but 100% some things need to be nerfed or changed to be a little more skillful.
Tekken 7 grew and retained a very healthy player base regardless of Jin's difficulty. With this in mind, I don't consider the change worth it. These changes make him so much less interesting than in Tekken 7. I seriously hope they go back on some of these changes to help retain the depth he had previously. As a Jin main, I'm not happy with these changes at all.
@WzDk13 it's a basic bit of his kit it should have a basic go to option and a hard execution one for more damage instead of high execution and nothing.
@@damionbaxter4912 But there was an easy execution version in t7 as you could go into zen 3 after the f4 and get a lesser damaging combo. And how in t8 there is no hard execution version its very easy to do.
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Ya'll are missing the biggest nerf for Jin. I can't believe he doesn't shout DAH! Everytime we get an electric.
Not really god-tier until he gets this back
I like the new voice clips, but I do miss the DAH
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If Devil Jin comes back he better have that.
DAH sounded way manlier than this new version too.
Somehow I feel like this the start of TMM v Jin Players, Tekken 8 edition.
tears in my eyes. that jin f4 combo nerf in tekken 7 was stupid. good on them for reverting back on that
Why can’t kazuya have a wave dash eye glow, it’s soooo sick
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Nice one!!!
I predict that mods will fix that... if only mods are allowed like they are in T7.
Kazuya has already his devil form so no
@@philgamer9499true
Please stop complaining about every move that Jin has.
I will not accept to play one more Tekken game full of narrow minded people complaining about "how Jin is OP" because they made their own opinion based on your hate speech.
Just play the Game.
As a Jin main i was not spamming d2 last weekend. Everyone is not thinking that "abusing stuff is the only way to have fun" .
F4 is a keep out tool so ofc i will use it. ( Bryan's 3+4 is annoying but i will not make a video asking for a nerf. )
Also, you can't compare Tekken 7 Gameplay & FramData to Tekken 8, these two are different games with different mechanics.
Please, if you want to do a " First Impressions video " of 12 min long, don't take more of the half of the time talking s**** about the character. I play Jin and YES i felt offended.
Now i get some flash back of my Tekken 7 " career " where even after a *beautiful legit win*, the biased opponent says " YeAh BuT JiN is BrOkeN " instead of saying " GG ".
In Tekken 7 season 4 Jin was a " tryhard " character with " no fun allowed " because every one of your community was crying about his tools and it all started like right now.
YOU kinda made him almost unplayable for casuals who just want to have fun or play Tekken 1 time per week.
Now in Tekken 8 Jin is " Fun and accessible" again and you will start to complain again.
The thing that made me get mad is; you like to play cheap characters based on abusing stuff to Win like Marduk but you can't let Jin have a slow a$$ panic move to relax a bit. Or in exchange you need to cut his whole right leg to feel like he is balanced. This is annoying.
I'll just never understand the "Jin is broken" crowd. Dude only has a better win rate than Yoshimitsu in Tekken 7, not to mention that people say "Jin is broken if you master all his moves" yeah no shit, EVERY CHARACTER IS SUPER GOOD WHEN YOU MASTER THEM. What does that even mean?
If you have to master and know the correct tactic to go far in Tekken instead of picking characters like Asuka or Katarina with easy toolkits where knowing 20% is enough to get you far, then how is that a "broken character". Just makes no sense.
Funniest part is TMM complain about F4, a crippled move, when Lili has the same F4 Jin had in season 2 , and he never mentionned her.
F4 zen is a gimmick, and I can't believe TMM doesn't know you can block this shit with a df1 , or that sidestep right block avoid all option. I'm pretty sure he knows and he choses to hightlight it as a broken move, when really, its just a weaker version of Bryan 3+4 and similar CHLauncher. because Bryan doesn't lose his turn when he does it. Nor does Lili. Heihachi has a 100% broken knee f3 , 20 frame but 0 on block , and nobody talk about it either.
Mainman complaining about Jin/D. Jin, must be another day that ends with y
I really hope that Zen cancelling makes it back into Tekken 8. So many opportunities for interesting pressure and combos, all gone in this beta
I hope not its so overrated in 7
You can still ZEN cancel, the input is now ZEN, d/f, u, b
You have to cancel the crouch dash into a sidestep first
@@getsmoked7219 he means fast zen cancel. In 7 when you did it you could not get punished. Now no matter how fast you are they can hit you
@@bilalbeirouti6351what do you mean overrated? It’s fundamental tool of every good Jin player. It’s not overrated just because you didn’t use it.
@@SpyrosFougias
Kazama BR tested it against a willing match and he's 99% sure you can make it safe
Ohh Mainmann.... Even in Tekken 8 you still saying Jin is super buffed and Top tier while Kazuya is hard and nerfed... Kazuya wall string Beats Every Jin buff
You think like a noob
Haven't even watched the video and i already know i'll hear the word broken 500000 times
Very surprising. Everything outside of kazuya is broken and unfair like usual
If kazuya had that d2 would be a different story, wouldn't hear a thing about it..
Bro stays slandering Jin. Every character has busted shit now, i like how you had no criticism for Bryan when he’s absolutely broken. He wants jin to remain one of the worst performing characters online. You can’t balance around top level only…
Never see Jin in the finals of Tekken 7 lifespan 😂
His issue is that the 2 tools in question completely invalidate the rest of Jin's toolkit and his identity as a multitool character with moves designed for specific purposes. Jin in T7 was known to be a complete character, but one that required player investment. Jin had tools for every situation, but many were very specifically tailored to do one thing well and nothing more (he talks about that with the lows at 5:35), which was in contrast with many of the newcomers in T7 who had fewer and more flexible moves that could be used in multiple situations. It's one of the defining traits of the character, which is marred by these bad design decisions. People hated the newcomers in T7 because they are generic all rounders and don't have interesting quirks, weaknesses, strengths or limitations unlike the ones that came from earlier games. Bandai Namco should know better by now.
TMM in general really dislikes the dumbing down of characters and removal of skill expression. He already talked in length about Law and the DSS skill removal which necessitates nerfing DSS because the strength was being balanced around the difficulty, so its just a straight up nerf for skilled law players and removal of player expression.
@@ShayzenDG Literally, let us Jin mains have fun for once. Then he just shrugs off the absolutely broken new Kazuya string. I really can’t stand this guy sometimes. He’s the reason Jin got unnecessarily nerfed in T7 because the devs watch his videos 😂
@@cell4224I don't like that biased identity of having to master 40 moves to be nearly decent, while Kazuya can just be played with hellsweep and ff3, give that archetype of character to something like Lei, not to the portrait main protagonist
Gave Bryan guard breaks and easy mode taunt launches and made his df2 3 SAFE for some idiotic reason. And all he has to say is “strong stuff”. Cause Bryan is a character he actually likes. As if he needed these buffs.
In march at the time of alpha test, he was saying jin got so much nerfed and that and was happy, now just look, how fast his opinions changed about jin, now saying ,got buffed so much, you guys are just falling to him
Damn they really looked at Jin and said "we need to make this character easy".
I'd hate to see what they'd do to Lee's execution.
Lee is heterosexual
@@Yellow-IVwhy did you feel the need to say that?
@@momop788 sometimes you need to remind people
@@Yellow-IVwhat does that have to do with execution.
Well, since Tekken is leaning more towards casuals and Jin is becoming the main protagonist again, they need to do something (for the better or worse)
I honestly believe that he wants Kazuya to be way stronger than Jin IMO..Kazuya also has a lot of absurdity but you'll never hear him say it because of the complete biasness towards Jin.
100%. I appreciate the content he puts out there but TMM has always been insanely biased when it comes to certain characters it's hilarious
I've only ever seen people criticize the string. Not much else is absurd with kaz
Yeah honestly, I believe Jin rn looks balanced compared to Jack 8 and Kazuya. I just hope he doesn't change that much on release.
@@wantu7816 nah d2 is 100% getting nerfed. You can’t have a homing, high crushing ,+ on hit low, that also counter hit launches.
Id say make f4 combos scale and do less damage and make d2 launch punishable, no need to gut Jin just because
I kinda wish Omen Stance worked how it did in Tag 2, but it works similarly to Jinpachi's d3+4 stance in Tag 2, where he got a 1 button TGF and 1 button EWGF.
There's no breakdown here. You've missed a lot of stuff. You're picturing the character like he's a beast just like in T7, and he's not. You just pointed out two busted moves and exaggerated the rest.
He gained a lot of reach on his pokes and 1+2 but also lost some okizeme, counter hit tools, no ZEN cancel(outside of the side step cancel that doesn't make it safe), and the ZEN options... They're okay (most of them jab interruptible tho).
Thing is, you're hating on the character because of two moves. T8 Jin can't hold a candle toT7 Jin. This version is not better than the later, that's for sure.
That looked like Heihachi's left backhand chop, at 1:31. I'm almost sure of it. Eishomon, I think it's called (the full move was that, and a right low kick).
Yeah you cancel SS into guard in the wavedash, but it's slower and also a bit harder to do fast cause you have to do a half circle back and that's an awkward hand movement.
Jin said "fuck you lars, this is my shit, i am the main character" quite literally
Ofc Mainman calls for nerfs to other characters but thinks Kazuya's new completely broken string should have the same damage but with less pushback 👀
I think it's good if they have made Jin easier to pick up for the casual player. He is the main character in both Tekken 8 and in the anime, so lots of ppl are gonna want to play him.
Lots of pp?
He’s been the main the character since tekken 3
@@detectivehan5717 Not in Tekken 6 and 7.
I wanted to play him back in T7 but he was advertised as incredibly hard so I just played Bryan instead.
I will never use the parry anymore.
Them dumbing him down I don't really care tbh. As long as Jin is strong i'll have fun. Idgaf about balancing anymore. Not after tekken 7. I just care about having fun.
Jin's new low Is like a Heihachi's db+2 but with tracking, -14 on block, longer range and a launch on ch :D wtf
It’s not tracking. Why can’t he have that db4 gives nothing anymore. Why can kazuya have d1+2 then ? Stop crying they nuked his execution requirements too making him easy
So....just to be clear given all the things it has over db2, I'd say it's fair to say that it's literally nothing like db2. The only commonality is that is a low using his right hand.
The salt and bias is showing too much TMM, you literally can't make more obvious than this video. I mean dude slandered Jin on every aspect that got buffed and when talking about other characters like Kazuya and Bryan, it's just a little slap on the wrist. I don't even main Jin, I play Lee, and the hate is real with this guy lol. Sure some of his shit is busted, but asking for his pokes to go back to T7, as a poke oriented character, are kidding? D2 is 100% going to get nerfed, so pointing this out in this video to hammer home your bias was unnecessary. His F4 being easier to pick-up on CH is fine, specially if they want to make characters more accessable, plus the fact you can't cancel Zen makes the move at lot more risky overall. Thatblastedsalami's breakdown of Jin, pointed out some crazy shit Jin has now, while still being balanced with his opinion.
i love how he says d2 when is the most broken move but kaz has that stupid string that does so much dmg and is hit confirmable
biggest jin nerf: no more DAH! 🥲
Over-tuned moves aside, I feel like this character had to become more accessible for the story mode - though hopefully they rebalance him by release.
This is becoming really annoying, themainman always trying to create a negative image toward this character, so the community can repeat it and Jin players get all the complaining when they use him,. Nothing is broken about him in t8, lots of buffs, lots of nerfs. I don't know what is the problem that you have with this character but this ain't funny anymore.
Jin rightfully deserves some buffs. Not sure if I like how 'easy' he has become but I welcome it. He's now the protag again so he should be very welcoming especially to newcomers since a lot of new Tekken players will try him out of course.
Jin was ALWAYS one of the best characters in Tekken 7, not sure what you mean when you say he “needed buffs”, no he didn’t lmao.
@@frantschou2369 one of the best true but he's also not easy to play either until now. As for buffs, T7 nerfed Jin in later seasons unnecessarily. I like the changes in T8, some trade-offs but overall buffed than in T7, as he should be.
Exactly I don't like how he wasn't user friendly before for casual players and newcomers 😂
Least biased kazuya main take… jins d2 is literally a clone of kazuya’s d 1+2, no one bitched about that move (not sure if that move was slightly slower)… he had a counter hit launching db4 which was removed in Tekken 7. Take away the d2 ch launch, give him back his zen cancels, his zen 1+2, his launching hell sweep.
Kazuya d+1+2 doesn't have that reach.
And for your kind information tmmswe, bustzuya's game can also played by only one string df3+4,1,2. Two hits and game over d2 is faar less less less broken than that hell
As a fellow jin loyalist I appreciate the content.
Thanks for the video keep up the good work.
But Kazyua also has an all in one string that outshines even his electric rn!
He regained his Tekken 4 strength
Tekken 4 is non canon because it was so ugly
@@Yellow-IV I'm guessing you like Tekken 7
@@Yellow-IV by that logic, tekken 7 is not canon either
@@enenra6417 tekken 5
Oh ok so you want T4 Jin that had the most broken move in the franchise, sure.
You're being biased. Just seems like you want Kazuya to be ahead of Jin at every turn. Yet, Kazuya has a 5 hit broken string. Your disdain for Jin is showing. Of course his f4 is looking fatal. He already lost his magic 4 counter. Plus zen cancel is harder. So buffing f4, I see no inherent issue. Also, have you been watching people play Jin in tekken 8 lately? All of his lows have been used for multiple situations. Not just the new low. Also, judging his zen cancel and saying player expression is gone is a bit stupid. Seen Devilster zen cancel without doing the side step. Seems like you're holding up for too long.
Aged like milk
because you killed devil jin mainman, this happened
I doubt Namco really care enough to specifically make certain pickup combo easier (Jin CH f4), they might just improve the overall input polling/buffering for better netcode, and to fix the cross-platform input lag issue (since everyone complaint about input lag in PS4 and PS5), and hence making some harder combo easier like Jin CH f4 and Kaz PEWGF.
This stuff is offline dude. So, yeah Bamco made him braindead
@xAxCx Improving input polling/buffering would affect both offline and online.
@@sbilly17 that copium hits hard don't it?
@@xAxCx Your comment make no sense lol, you sound like a bot. You just want to hate, living in your own fantasy.
Mans still in tekken 7
And kazuya being busted you have no problem
D2 being busted is giving you sparks, kazuya's df3+4,1,2 move being totally busted you said just nerf a part of that, he will get nerfed to oblivion for sure
I feel jin carried that devil jin cheese with him in t8
CBM gonna have a blast with the new Jin. He can play him like Noctis
In Kazuya's video when you talked about that BS string that does a million damage the only thing you said was "the pushback needs to get nerfed". Oh but that ridiculous damage that eats all of your health bar is somewhat OK because Kazuya can get launched after it, and also because "that's what legacy Kazuya does"... Now Jin gets some sick moves that work and are efficient and somehow they need to get nerfed? They don't even do all that damage compared to the rest of the roster...! I admit that I don't understand your reasoning here.
Jin is the main character and should be somewhat accessible since the story mode will be all about him and his father. Being accessible doesn't mean it doesn't require technique or timing... So let's keep Jin's movelist enjoyable like you just showed here, and let's actually nerf Kazuya's broken damage output which is absolutely not justifiable.
BTW before I get blasted by the community, my comment is by no means an attack towards TMM. I just expressed my thoughts on the subject since this what the comment section is here for.
Cause he likes his Kazuya((( Kazuya is so weak what do you mean(
don't forget he is the reason why DJ got nerfed to the ground :)
I wanna play Jin and I hope he is easy.
@@chucklos391 As someone who enjoyed Tekken 7 Jin and loved his solid moveset and high skill ceiling, I agree that he should be a little bit easier.
He's gonna be the face of the game along with Kazuya; might as well help newcomers ease into the game by getting used with Jin.
Tmm doesn't like Jin, he want him to remain a low/ mid tier- characters. Jin didn't win a major tournament since season 2 and 2018, nobody picks him beside loyalist, but TMM complains about him being ''top 5, top 10''. What a joke. If Jin was that strong, you'd see him picked instead of Julia/Feng/Steve/ Akuma and so on. But the only people that play Jin are Jin main that have been playing him for years, like CBM, danielmado, Chikurin, book.
Jin has a garbage WR online and is one of the hardest character online, stats don't lie.
I knew he was just gonna complain about anything Jin has that’s good and swear everything Kazuya has that’s good is warranted like he always does and just like he did the entirety of Tekken 7 and he didn’t disappoint.
If mainman had it his way Jin wouldn’t have a single counter hit launcher and Kazuya’s flash punch would carry you from one end of the screen to the other.
On one hand yes, on the other I'm a Jin main and I agree all of this together is ridiculous
@@CErra310 clownery
I haven't watched this. But I bet it's main man swe complaining about jin once again.
Edit: I was right. Main man swe complaining about EVERY GOOD THING jin has
He so bias against ANNY character other than Kazuya
Nah, Bryan is cool in his book, too, doesn't matter that Bryan was also made way easier and has his own busted stuff. So basically all the characters he actually likes and playes are fair and balanced. Also, Kazuya is the hardest character in the game and deserves all the buffs. And despite several people having Kazuya as the strongest character or among the strongest characters in the CNT, according to TMM 'Kazuya is good, but not that good'. Alsways downplaying Kazuya so that he doesn't get nerfed while advocating for everyone else to be made worse forever and ever.
Hardest character?! That's a joke. All you need to know is at least 7 moves. The mainman said this himself. BUT just because he is the "Hardest" character in the BETA doesn't mean he should have a guarantee string that does half your lifebar
I mained Jin throughout 7, but seems like they made no changes to him that actually like, so not sure if I will in 8. The only change I have actually wanted is hellsweep not launching. It seems like they turned him into simple and effective character that doesn’t have to rely on precise timing anymore. And I hate the Omen stance, unfortunately. + frames on block into a forced 50/50 is my least favorite part of Tekken.
Lol heat is gonna be unga bunga 50/50s nonstop
Mostly agreed. I do like Omen stance in concept. It just needs some rebalancing. TBH I wished they Jin's new DJ style claw swipes and flips exclusive to Omen stance. Part of what drew me to Jin was his controled but explosive fighting style. Having all that over-the-top stuff in his regular moveset takes away from the appeal of the character for me.
Join kazuya gang
Jin should have omen transition from attacks like zenshin, it will not be that much broken then.
@@JustAnte9557kazuya too broken, sorry i want to play with fair characters
Jin is tremendously more interesting in Tekken 8 then 7 but I get what you mean. I don't agree with it, but I understand your point. Also, I think these content providers are misrepresenting Jin's new D2. I keep hearing that it's not launch punishable. Yet it's -14? That's a straight up lie my guy. If it has too much push back, I would understand the issue but there are various i13 and i14 moves like Kazuya's twin piston that straight up destroys Jin's low game. Even Jin can launch it himself with WS2. Because of the animation speed you have more than enough time to tell that you blocked it and use the appropriate punish for the move. I thought that was one of your things MMSWE. Jin's "identity" requires that you the player use a very specific move. Otherwise, you just suck for not knowing every single counter and punish in the game like you should. Does that not apply to other characters as well?
Downplayer
@@championredd Are you saying that I'm downplaying D2? I only stated facts so if that is the case then I don't know where you get that from. If you want my straight up opinion on the move, then I would say yea it would be overpowered probably if this was Tekken 7 and probably will be in 8. More than likely it should operate like Devil Jin's db2 with the frames it has or be more heavily launch punishable. However, I legit don't know enough about this games frame data when it comes to the rest of the characters to give a relevant opinion. Most FG players seem to forget that this is a important point when considering if something is broken. You can't just look at one character and say "broken" and then your character has launching throws, launching power cruches, mid crushing(evading) launchers with unjustifiable punishments to them. That's why at this point it doesn't bother me. I don't see the point of saying something is broken when you have not played the game yet.
@@alexanderwilliams4196 I have played the game🤡🤡🤡 keep downplaying buddy
@@championredd I was talking about me genius. What's the point of you comment anyway?
@@alexanderwilliams4196 downplayer
guys this is only beta. they will change nearly every frame data until release.
Mainman always wants jin to be nerfed
I just got few things to mention @TheMainManSwe. Why complain about Jin now? He is completely parallel with Kazuya gameplay wise. Both characters are nearly identical in gameplay. Kazuya wind god fist launches and now so does Jin's. Kazuya has a D2 that is a counter hit launcher so does Jin now. Kazuya has f,f 2 which is similar to Jin's Demon paw. Jin's hell sweep is like Kazuya now, it's a two hit knock down. So please explain to me what is with all this hate and complaints about Jin when Kazuya shares the same thing that his son's has?
I don’t really like how to modern game developers accessibility is synonymous with easy. You can maintain complexity while also easing in newcomers.
You say this, yet you're in green ranks in Tekken 7...
@@HoDoBoDoIf by Green you mean Purple than sure, and regardless of what my rank is, I don’t see what my rank has to do with what I said.
I'm at Tekken God without even playing much. @nixuniverse is correct.
@@nixuniverse5240 You just always seem to complain about not ranking up in TMM's comments, so I assumed you were still a green rank. Just thought it was ironic you writing this comment lol. Well it's good to see you made it to Purple now. Again, I just thought it was funny.
@@nixuniverse5240 I do agree with you however on how simplifying the game is taking away the identity.
I feel like d2 is deserved since they removed like like 6 or 7 of his counter hit launchers in which fishing for counter hits with good timing was apart of his gameplan
So basically everyone is a boss caractor like T7 vanilla Leroy Smith.
They created a Mishima with good pokes, OP
Basically Devil Jin
Jin always had good pokes?
@@redstoppem1821were you sleeping all this time
@@shivamimpex96 no I meant jin always had good pokes
@@redstoppem1821 yes he always had
Classic FGC mentality:
Community: "we need more people to play our game"
Devs: *makes game more casual friendly*
Community: "how dare they cater to the casuals and not to me, who has been playing this game since Tekken 1"
I get being annoyed at simplification, but Jin is the face of the game, most new people are going to want to play him. its ok if he's easy to play. and if anything Tekken 7/6/5 still exists so if you want a more "player expressive" Jin you can play that. I still play third strike for this exact same reason.
Perfect comment
Exactly, there’s are reason scorpion and sub zero are always very easy to play in MK. They’re the main characters 😂
“we need more people to play our game”
Nobody says this and the strawman solution to your strawman hypothetical regarding “making the game easier in every conceivable way” has never once netted any positive results. Every single fighting game that adopted that approach had their playercounts fall off a cliff a few months after release. Granblu Fantasy Versus? Dead game, Guilty Gear Strive? Dead game, all of those “easy input casual friendly gimmick games” that were all the rage around the mid teens those games were dead on arrival. This approach does not work. Casuals do not care if games are easy or hard to play they literally just want to boot up mortal kombat and watch Jason fight Sub Zero. Casuals DO NOT care about execution requirements they care about doing a fatality on their irl friends.
@@walmartian422 How is making some inputs easier going to make the game dead on arrival 😂
@@walmartian422 Dude MK is by FAR the most "easy" fighting game and it KILLS all other fighting games in Sales, so the "game difficult = sales" opinion doesn't hold an water. You (and others) may not like it but those are facts, Same goes for Smash, we can debate if that is a "fighting game" or not but its easy to pick up and play with a high skill celling. Hell, even SF6 is pretty simple to pick up and play. The major thing these games all have is that the "face" of the game (Ryu, Liu Kang/Scorpion, Mario) are all accessible for new players; you play them learn the basics of the game then potentially pick a more specialized character. I don't think its unreasonable to make the dude on the front of the package be accessible to new players. If you want a dead game to look at take a look at Virtua Fighter. Insanely difficult game and its pretty much dead as a franchise.
LOVE the glowing eyes!
Everybody has easy pickup moves but jin cant have it😂Wtf kind of logic is that..Jin should always have hard pick moves😂
Exactly bro... Exactly... Heihachi and kazuya have easy launchers but Jin can't... He can only launch on electric, like wtf ????? Some people can't do electric so they just don't use Jin???? I use Jin, and I can do normal launchers but not electrics, ask me how difficult it is to play with him without his electric... I really like this change... And people hate... Like wtf dude???
The main issue is that it’s an easy convert on a move as crazy as f4. He was already well rounded, but now he’s well rounded with basically the best moves in the game
Tombstone can launch, df3+4,1,2 deletes your healtbar and literally kills you at the wall, f3 has the most insane range same with db1 yet its Jin thats busted and not Kaz? I agree that d2 should be launch punishable but everything else is high level bitching
devilster already found the optimal way to zen cancel (harder but way faster than how it's demonstrated in this video)
What do you do?
@@mikeg4490 zen > crouch dash > immediate sidestep (up) > back. can do that for combos and for pressure.
It was Kazama BR.
Devilster was just spreading the gospel
Devilster will be the new Tekken god with Jin
Remember this is beta... All of this is subject to change. I don't think being this critical is that important like its the full game out.
You're right about things being subject to change which is just another reason to be critical about things that need to be criticized so the developers can listen to us so the changes that they make are good ones
This is the exact time you should be this critical because they have time to change it.
You are only saying jin busted, when he had some nerfs, and about kazuya some syringe gets injected to you, when talking about kaz's df 3+4,1,2 and other big buffs he got, stop misguiding your audience or playing tactics on them, we know how much 'HONEST' opinion you give on jin, what do you want more to get nerfed, no one wants your menacing reviews
F4 is not as busted people think.d2 can still be seen from mile
You guys trying to get him nerfed more, already.
I wish TMM would stop complaining about Jin every time lol. I just want my main to prosper
I don’t understand people 🤦♂️,yet at the very beginning of the lauch of the game,you all said that Jin was weak,that we had tzken this or that from him and suddenly he becomes god tier again?i never doubted my Jin ,at the first trailer ,i knew it was the best version of fatal lightning 😌.
It's okay dude.Our beloved MainManSWE going to cry to Harada and Jin gonna get nerfed to the ground
We had this situation with DJ in the past :)
IMHO they need to nerf that d+2, but I don't really mind the F+4 too much considering Zen-cancel is now more difficult to make safe. I'd probably be more willing for a return to the old F+4 if their willing to give us back Zen-cancel. In Tekken 7, even pro players would opt to just commit to Zen after F+4, and zen cancel when they see its blocked, or wavu if they see it hit/CH. Committing to Zen is scary without a way to get out of it safely is scary, so having the option to just not go into Zen is okay for me I guess, though I prefer having Zen-canel again over the easy pickup
What? You can just not hold forward and the f+4 remains insanely safe considering the reward and how easy the pick up is.
@@Cezkarma I meant for Tekken 7. Pro players would commit to Zen, and cancel it or wavuwavu to pickup. I can do the pickup even without Zen in T7 but it's a gigantic hassle and inconsistent. I can do the Shiro combo more consistently than that pickup on T7 (tho that's just me). In T8, the pickup is a lot easier, and I get that it makes the move a bit easier, which is why I said I'm okay with the easy pickup since F+4 into Zen is scarier to just throw out now for Tekken 8. Its a change I dont mind being kept if Zen-cancel is out the window. I just think it's a change that was made when considering the nerfs he took to his defensive tools/options
Mainman sounds to biased to be reviewing characters he doesn’t like lmao so annoying
I feel a bit of unearned bias. Kazuya’s new string is more dumb than jin’s d2 (both need nerfs!). Kazuya seems at the moment more busted than jin tbh
Kazuya's new string deserves a heavy nerf more than Jin's D2. Just make D2 launch-punishable (alternative is to nerf damage/range/CH properties if not launch-punishable), but Kaz's new string needs to get its damage reduced.
D2 having so many properties is giving you problem, but kazuya, you were biased for that bro
What do you think jin mains are fools or we cant understand
Here we go again, They crying arc of main main starts again until Harada nerfs Jin like he did in T7.
Hell no jin deserves to be high tier
He doesn’t. Just because you’re his main (as your nickname and avatar suggest), that doesn’t mean he has to be broken.
@@polishsausage648 my profile pic is randomized....I had heihachi as my profile pic and username and kazuya and Paul.. and kratos...
@@polishsausage648 also everyone one is strong in Tekken 8...
Anytime I hear "This character is easier now" im just like...yeah obviously. I dont really care for Jin, so eh. I will say the bias is 100% showing. Man made it seem like Kazuya only needed small nerfs but Jin was Leroy levels.
Your balancing comment have become a joke , TMM. The hate for Jin have become so blatant.
blablabla, the same old anti Jin frotting at the mouth propaganda from Mainman.
....Tell that to your main Kazuya demo man string on heat, easy hellsweep to heavens gate and easy electric on heat, df3+412, and hellsweep. If you want him to be a "2 move character" as you said, kazuya could be simplified as df3+412 and hellsweep.
But when jin gets a reactable low that has broken properties (While i do agree the ch properties should be nerfed, i reacted to it after 5 matches with jins), you complain?
I'm pretty sure if your main gets that, you wouldn't say a single thing at all or downplay it saying thats its reactable.
So come on, man. If you want to say easier and more bs, at least be fair and not biased and say that to your main too.
Let the TMM Jin hate commence. Character is only "interesting" when he is trash tier
Jin lost the dramatic camera angle after forward back 3..2
Tekken 8 jin has the best model hands down , best looking jin.
Tag 2???
this dude already crying about Jin. Game isn’t even out I’m so sick of this clown
if we should be complaining about anything, it’s the auto electrics etc. making the character and game so much more accessible to people who never even really put in the time to get better. Things like law dss being gone Jin having literally 2 auto electrics like those are the problems. Not a -14 ch launching low. Db4 launched for over 20 years until ppl cried about it. He needs a low that does something. It’s funny how he always finds reasons to hate it if it’s Jin but cries about it if it’s kazuya
Mr Whines a lot is at it again. He really has a bone to pick with Jin. Probably got beaten to badly once by one.
Jin, Kaz, Bryan, Jack, and King are labeled as God characters in Tekken 8 close network.
people on the fence about kazuyas broken string while complaining about d2 just shows the stupidity that comes with character bias
No "Dah" at electrics = Not God Like
It's like removing dorya from Kazuya
The sound design behind that move isn't as impactful as before either.
I think the reason Jin and Kazuya are strong is fitting to the game’s upcoming story mode. Why do devs nerf their main characters? Capcom have a bad habit of doing a Ryu dirty constantly.
Understandable but why does his d2 launches, it's stupid it shouldn't do that, I wished dragunov's d2 would launch 😂
@@leonelgarcia2651imo they should make db4 launch on ch just like in the old days of tekken 7. d2 should be like dragunov's, plus frames and evasion but no launch. if you want a launch you should sacrifice evasion (and maybe less plus frames on hit)
@@lightning9552 That's what I was thinking
Tmm wants Jin and kaz to be nerfed,he will have them nerfed till the game comes out because apparently tekken makers do listen to him and later on will complain how Yoshi/kuni/paul/xiaoyu and most of the characters in the game apart from mishimas are "Cheap characters"
And then mishima mains will have to fight with their wings chopped off against ridiculously buffed characters all thanks to the legend tmm
That's all subject to change, yet he's not even half as strong, braindead or broken as Kazuya is in T8.
With that “launch punishable” resplatting string
That's the biggest lie, Jin is much stronger than kazuya in t8
@@Kazuyante1012 lol, not even close, bro.
he needed a new low with good oki...other than that omen stance is a good addition. but that low should no less damage or should be launch punishable
No One: What do you think about Kazuya?
TMM: So hard everything is nerfed and so hard and so hard and nerfed beyond any one and so hard and so on...
No One: What do you think about Jin?
TMM: He is broken in every version of game. All his moves are broken always. OMG Jin is so buffed. MG F4 is is soooooooooo broken. So buffed ....
No One: Why dont you play Jin then?
TMM: Yes.
What’s with the random zoom-ins into the face cam lol 🔍
Jin's so sick now! kekw
God tier Jin: the hoodie goes up
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The changes I think he needs is really just d2. Maybe make it have similar CH properties to Devil Jin's DB2 or make it slower.
I hope you make a video for Lars too.
Jin d2 is react table you just need more time with the game to bake it in your muscle memory. other players and RUclipsrs said the same point.
F4 reach has been nerfed in T8 IMO.
A lot of players didn’t realize that yet. I attempted to punish Paul death fist multiple times and it didn’t even reach and I got wiff punished for it.
Seeing MM Kaz video I can’t believe how he even try’s to make sense of Kaz disgusting string. that’s it’s ok but they need to nerf the pushback.. that’s it !!
Did you see the damage of the string against a wall combo ?! It ridiculous..
MM is full of shit when it comes to Jin video
Kaz in his video is perfect and NAMCO better not touch him
My only issue is ppl saying the game is easier to play now like is that a problem. I stopped playing T7 because its so hard to play 200 moves to use and memorize geez like can other ppl enjoy the game instead of you try hards i would like to play and enjoy tekken again i dont have the time to sit there and lab for hours and days i dont mind complex gameplay at least make some stuff easier to get into to pick up the game and enjoy it like everyone else without sone dude msging me some dumb crap cus i can barely do a combo the game is to hard bruh seriously and by the way TMM i love your content brother I really do same time I paid full price for that game and first dlc pack deluxe upgrade just to sit in my library and collect dust waste of money I love watching you and other creators and events I love watching I would like to enjoy like you guys do I can't do so because of the complexity of the game it's ridiculous I really hope it's easier to pick up and play
Jin is the best character in Tekken 8, and I am switching from Street Fighter 6 to Tekken 8. The game looks damn good🔥🔥
You know you can play both right? No need to be dramatic 😂
@@3ASY355 haha, nice one.😂😂
I can see Jin s D2 being beat by orbital with fast start up high crush
I discovered som tech at the wall. On wall splat 1,2,3 giving guaranteed d4, which gives the same flip as the D2 on grounded.
As they're at wall, they can't just get up and have to tech roll, otherwise the jin can get Df1,4 into wall splat again and full combo from there.
I hope his Omen blocks or negates all unblockables or attacks still. I assume it doesn't negate rage art? That would be fun.
It's no wonder that Jin is op mainman. He's the son of kazuya and Jun who are basically Japan's strongest martial artists in tekken
I think they should keep him like this, he is always the most played character (for new and casual players) so if he is strong and easy to use it will make more people stay with the game. Picking up Jin in T7 and having such a massive execution ceiling probably put a lot of new players off - and we want the community, player base and the game to grow don’t we?
Maybe but things like f4 not needing execution to pick up is dumb since new players are not gonna do it regardless of it being easier. There are good changes but 100% some things need to be nerfed or changed to be a little more skillful.
Tekken 7 grew and retained a very healthy player base regardless of Jin's difficulty. With this in mind, I don't consider the change worth it. These changes make him so much less interesting than in Tekken 7. I seriously hope they go back on some of these changes to help retain the depth he had previously. As a Jin main, I'm not happy with these changes at all.
@WzDk13 it's a basic bit of his kit it should have a basic go to option and a hard execution one for more damage instead of high execution and nothing.
@@damionbaxter4912 But there was an easy execution version in t7 as you could go into zen 3 after the f4 and get a lesser damaging combo. And how in t8 there is no hard execution version its very easy to do.
Jin is nowhere as popular as Paul and kazuya tho..
The usage data actually exists