WOAH THAT's DIFFERENT!!!! - Mars 4 DLP Printer Revealed
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2023
- Thanks to RUclipsb Channel MEME Chan, we have our first eyes on with the Elegoo Mars 4, including the spec, Size and build volume. This video also confirms the Mars 4 is Elegoo's forts DLP 3D Printer - What does DLP even mean and why does it matter? Well, Come and watch the video to find out.
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I couldn't care less about voxel lines, like you say, if someone says they can see them after the anti aliasing, image blur AND painting, then they're talking trollop. What matters to me is the ease of use and longevity. 20,000 hours is absurd, by the time that packs in you'll be looking to upgrade anyway, to whatever Star Trek style replicator that Phrozen release in five years time, in their ever ongoing quest for a lower pixel width. Plus if this thing pierces its FEP, yes you've got a resin spill to clean up, but what you haven't got is an LCD screen to replace. It's so much more forgiving of mistakes and print failures. That's the real value here.
Would love to see an actual review of the thing, love Elegoo as a company, they gave me some of the best customer service I've ever had, so I've been hanging around to see what they had to offer in the DLP space. Wonder why none of the big 3D printer channels have really covered it yet, it seems to be available. Any news on that front?
Props for being the only reviewer to not pull off the already installed screen protector
Hah, not a review, just a report on someone else's video lol
They shouldn't call it a Mars 4 that's gonna cause market confusion for new buyers.
Right! but i bet this is just the Mars 4 DLP. there will likely be a bog-standard Mars 4 too
Call it the venus.. opposite, but simular.
I am looking to get a DLP to make PCBs, so I really need that fine pixel resolution. The D2 having fake pixels is news to me, and that would be a huge problem for making 50 micron traces on PCBs. The sharpness of the DLP is going to be very good for my application.
It’s not really fake but it’s not true 2k. There’s a little device that shifts the display half a pixel over as it refreshes what’s being displayed. So fast your eyes can’t perceive it.
I suppose it’s like interlaced versus progressive scan in a way it only renders half the display, shifts then renders the other half at a crazy fast refresh rate.
You do get the improved resolution at the cost of weaker light. But it’s still DLP light so faster than an LCD equivalent.
For me, longevity is a lot more important than how light works. DLP projectors last orders of magnitude longer than LCD screens.
Exactly why I want to show the differences in many of my reviews.
I've been holding off on getting a Photon D2 in case an elegoo dlp came out in the first quarter of the year and knocked our socks off. Kinda sounds like the Mars 4, if it is real, won't be surpassing the D2 in build volume or resolution though. Might be time to stop waiting and just pull the trigger on the Photon finally
The D2 is great, personally I’d hold off until we hear about resolution on this.
I am about to retire my OG photon and want an LDP since some of the parts I design and print suffer horribly of light bleeding, when I saw the Elegoo I thought competition would be good and even improved over the D2, but this seems like a late smaller D2, total bummer. Let's see if Anycubic releases a "D3", this tech needs to step up!
@@grim3897 I waffled on the D2 for a few months and finally ordered one, so I'll be pretty choked if we do see a bigger, sharper D3 right away here. Choked enough that I'll stubbornly hang in there for a "Photon D4" haha But I'm upgrading from an old Mars Pro with its tiny plate and legendary print times, so just about anything would feel like an upgrade to me
@@Ethan-jg9sw yeah, same here, my OG photon after all these years feels like a reumatic turtle and I might bite the bullet as soon as the D2 goes on sale again, 750€ is too much for me TBH
I took a hiatus from the hobby when I went to go travelling and sold all my stuff. Now I'm back in the UK I'm super keen to get another printer, but man I can't bring myself to pull the trigger on anything right now.
I was looking at the Photon D2, but a lot of my customers (I'm a miniatures designer) were swearing that the Mars 3 was good enough. But I know for a fact it's a real pain in the butt to mess with exposure settings and whatnot, so DLP seemed seductive.
But what put me off the D2, out of all things, was anxiety over wash and cure stations; I own a Mercury Plus, which I presume I'd have to do away with to fit a D2's build plate in the vat (I like to wash before removing miniatures from the plate), but I have no idea what wash and cure station I'd want to buy to fit the mount for the D2's plate.
Add to that the D2's price point and now the news of this Elegoo Mars 4 and I wonder if I should just wait it out.
Honestly at this point I'd wait. I get you about cleaning before removal, I don't do that, but mostly because It takes resin off the plate that could end up back in the vat and eventually become printed. I'm a skinflint.
I'm looking to get my first printer. I was leaning towards the Saturn 2. Does the DLP stack up against the S2? Cheers.
@@davidstone-haigh4880 It really depends on what you want to print with it. Saturn 2 and D2 are two excellent tools but they have their own advantage. Ideally you'd get both ! Want to print large models (tanks, planes, statues, scenery) ? Go Saturn 2 it does incredibly defined large prints which were up to now way less precise. Want to do minute details on small figurines or jewelry masters, or want a long lasting printer ? Go D2. As I said if I was entering the field today, I'd get both !
I just ordered the Anycubic Photon Ultra because it was so bloody cheap and I am just getting into resin printing. The D2 sounds tempting but too steep of a price point for me as a starter. Excited to see what others come up with.
I didn’t realise the ultra was still on sale. Yeah the price difference isn’t worth it imho
I definitely want to get a printer but I am not liking how these companies just pump out machines, it doesn't give me the confidence that there will be support or significant upgrades between models.
As far as an Elegoo DLP, it'd be cool to see another hit the market just to compete with Anycubic.
Yeah, they do come a bit fast, it’s nice to see we are in a lul at the mo
Mmm I just pulled the trigger on D2 as my first resin (and 3d) printer few days ago, I excel at terrible timing. Welp time will tell really, I'm sure the D2 will do just fine for while.
It’s an amazing printer and with it being DLP it’s super beginner friendly because it’s hard to overexpose. You won’t be disappointed
@@FauxHammer You were correct, it's fantastic printer. I should play around with settings some more to make it print faster as it is now printing away around a clock. That being said that slow speed somewhat keeps me from constantly having to buy more resin. The dummy that I am, I insist printing vehicles as well which eat away all the resin, despite the fact by the time I ordered the D2, I was already considering getting FDM for terrain and vehicles... Rest assured your Neptune 3 Max video gave some unhealthy (for my wallet) ideas.
I'm really excited for DLP, and I only buy Elegoo printers. But I'm waiting for a Elegoo DLP at least the size of the Saturn 2.
I’d love one, but the display resolution would need to be huge
@@FauxHammer exactly. Hopefully they can make it happen in the next year or 2. Exciting times for resin printers.
Any idea when you'll be doing a full review on this?
I honestly have no idea. Nobody seems to have one and Elegoo have gone completely quiet on me.
Addendum: Looks like the Elegoo US store has the Mars 4 in stock today. And Amazon US is listing it and a Mars 4 M both as shipping today. Today being 24 April 2023. Both have the Voxeldance Tango slicer.
【9.1-inch 6K Mono LCD】ELEGOO MARS 4 Max features a 9.1-inch monochrome LCD screen with a resolution of 5760x3600 and an XY resolution of 34um, and printing speed up to 70mm/H. The 9H hardness tempered glass with excellent light transmission protects the LCD screen from scratches and damage caused by resin dripping or penetration.
【COB+ Refractive Light Source】MARS 4 Max adopts the COB+ refractive light source to ensure that the emitted 405nm wavelength beam is more vertical and uniform on the entire LCD screen after refraction. Paired with the full grayscale anti-aliasing algorithm to make printed models with finer and more realistic details and a smoother surface.
【Large Build Volume】The large build volume of 195.84x122.4x150mm (7.71x4.81x5.9 inches) provides you with more creative space to print a large model or print multiple parts in batches, thus increasing your productivity.
【Efficient Heat Dissipation】Double fan cooling system design, one for air inlet and the other for air outlet, has faster air circulation and higher heat dissipation efficiency, which extends the service life of 3D printers.
【Voxeldance Tango Software】It has 3 printing modes: static mode and dynamic mode (including smooth and high-speed mode). In dynamic mode, when the printed model cross-section is small, the print lifting speed is faster to improve printing efficiency; on the contrary, the printing speed will slow down. Combined with ELEGOO self-developed new open-source GOO slicing format, which supports multiple slicing software without restriction.
was expecting one by now. but still nothing.
@@FauxHammer from the evidence I'm assuming other reviewers are in the same boat. Seems antithetical to Elegoo's previous approach to releases and reviewers, huh? Jesse' has posted one yet either, as far as I know.
@@FauxHammer well, I'm subbed and got notifications on, so I'll know when you publish anything on it. Thanks...
Cant help but notice on MEME Chans video he shows the box that say Mars 4 "series". At the very end of his video he shows the box has check mark boxes on it for both Mars 4 and Mars 4 DLP. Doesn't that imply that there is a new Mars 4 non DLP also coming alongside this new DLP version?
I expect so, and probably a Mars 4 pro too
@@FauxHammer I see the Saturn 4k is only $3 more then the Mars 3 pro. Sold out in the US. $200 off. Probably clearing inventory for the new model.
Build volume-wise. we’re getting 132.8 x 74.7 x 150 mm (WxDxH)
i assume you haven't seen my more recent video reviewing this printer?
those samurai models at 2:42 are sweet! where could i find them?
Those are Eternal Dynasty by @onepagerules and I agree, they are super awesome!
when would you expect availability of Elegoo Mars DLP? Or a price drop of Anycubic DLP?
Q2 some time for Elegoo DLP. D2 won’t drop til it’s end of life and being sold off. Likely to be replaced with a new printer at that time
i doubt the mars 4 will have a native 2k resolution because such a dmd chip for UV printers isn't available yet, the only thing that could be possible is a native 1080p resolution
It’s confirmed 2k but probably odes that same shifting lens thing the D2 uses
I don't think it was mentioned in the video (I might have missed it), but where are those sci fi looking samurai miniatures from?
Sorry, it's Eternal Dynasty by One Page Rules www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-eternal-dynasty-release-1-201419
Thank you very much. I've seen some of the eternal dynasty models before but apparently not those ones!
Leadscrew in that video was wobbling like crazy lmao
What is a lead screw?
@@FauxHammer 6:38 in the video see the vertical threaded screw that's turning on the machine? Its not straight so its wobbling back and forth
my only concern is the long term usage of DLP technology, uv light easily passed throught thin cured resin on the screen in case of leakage, would that still be the case now ?
You’ve lost me, ask that again please I don’t understand
@@FauxHammer Not sure what is being asked, DLP doesnt have a screen...which is one huge benefit since if resin leaks, you can just take/scrape it off the glass since there isnt an LCD to damage.
There is no screen in a DLP machine. It’s just glass. This does not use anything like an LCD. You need to understand the tech here as your question is irrelevant.
As a possible first time printer buyer these new DLP printers sound great but any reviews about printers seem to be about printing Ogres and Dragons and the great detail in hair or scales but I will be printing parts for 1:32 model tractors - mechanical rather than organic - and wonder if a printer like this would be overkill especially as it probably won't be used that often.
I wouldn't say overkill, It's about finding the balance of what you want between quality, scale and ease of use.
your use case may be especially suited to DLP as you likely won't need details like hair or skin textures on miniatures, but defined simple shapes down to pop rivets or gauge needles at 1:32 scale?
But since it won't be used frequently, DLP will be easier to use because you don't need to get it dialled in anywhere near as much as an LCD printer. the exposure time range for success is far wider on DLP.
@@FauxHammer Thank you for your reply.
i'm looking at getting into 3D printing, mainly for bits and honestly the information is overwhelmingly hard to understand. No idea where to start as I'm not understanding this video :/
This is not a good place to start it's just a preview.
Maybe I should make the video you need
I'm looking to get my first printer. I was leaning towards the Saturn 2. Does the DLP stack up against the S2? Cheers.
The D2 outperforms the S2 by a little bit. It's not a huge difference but the D2 properly dialed in beats every printer on the market under like $20k in terms of effective resolution.
DLP is sharper, but that gives you more voxel lines.youc an reduce this greatly with antiailiasing. depends what you want from a printer. accuracy to the model, or smooth result.
Honestly sounds like a sidegrade rather than an upgrade or downgrade
you're probably right
So, long story short, we know the new printer has a smaller printing surface and has an air purifier... it'd better be much cheaper than the D2 because with such "specs" it can't compete otherwise
agreed
Do you have a video ranking the top 3d printer makers? Is any cubic always inferior to elegoo for example?
Wrote it this weekend, editing during next week
@@FauxHammer Awesome, great timing. Your reviews have been helpful and I'd like to make a decision within the next week or two
I just want a Saturn 2 - sized printer with the pixel density of the Phrozen Sonic Mini 8k.
I don’t think there’s a need unless you use cast rdsins
@@FauxHammer Well if I'm buying a resin printer, I want the print quality to be worth the mess and hassle.
Why would most people see it as a down grade to the mars 3? I thought DLP was an improvement. I am still learning thanks.
fair question. DLP has it's benefits sure. But from a raw spec point of view. Mars 3 is 4k. this DLP will not be 4k. it will be 2k, maybe even less than that with a 720 resolution. It also has a smaller overall build volume. 40% smaller.
But I expect this is just the Mars 4 DLP. Most likely they will also have a standard LCD Mars 4 and probably a Mars 4 pro too
Until there's a mid range dlp I'm good with my saturn 2 for now. I don't see a point in buying considering how small the build plates are
Yeah with Saturn 2 and it’s forever competitor printers. I’m favouring the convenience of that large build area over a lot of other features
I just emailed them yesterday. And nothing, they are still working on perfecting the 8k.
Which 8k?
@@FauxHammer Saturn 8k
@@FauxHammer I had questions about that Saturn 8k and the normal Saturn which is only 4K. Why the price point is almost the same and it’s brand new. At least here in Canada it is. The Saturn 8k is going for 459.00 and the Saturn is only 409. So hmmmmmm. Not to much more for more definition.
@@reddeaddylan1606 well the saturn had a 50 micron XY resolution. this is 28.5. I can see a difference between this and the Mars 3 which is 35 microns, so you'll definitely see a difference between the Saturn and Saturn 2 \ 8k. My review of the 8k is due to drop on Tues/Wd next week. but IMHO #SpoilerAlert. I cant tell enough of a difference between the 8k and Saturn 2 to warrant the extra $100
I need to go back to my Saturn 2 and do some more tests.
@@FauxHammer I hear ya, I would love to see the difference up close. And the Saturn 2 8k. Which I was told yesterday was a 10 inch screen at 28.5 microns. The Saturn was a 9 inch screen and pushing 50 microns but it was a 4 k resolution. But the cost point was very close. So I wondered why the cost of the 8k was so cheep. Compared to the 4K. What were the major differences in the resolution. I am not sure. I wanted to know if the 4K was going to e obsolete in a year. If I should just purchase the 6k or 8k now, to save time and money. They told me they will never get rid of the Mars 3 pro because it’s the best of the best 4K machine. They said it is their beginner friendly machine that they will t week but they will never get rid of it. So that’s a good thing. Now it’s for me if I want to do large prints or just stay small. Because honestly I am thinking of going with the pro because of less resin usage and 34.5 micron on a 6 inch screen. It’s 299 and that’s a great deal.
I just noticed that Elegoo removed the Mars 4 DLP from their website... Hmmmmm...
it's coming.
7:59 you missed a decimal place on conversion to mm to inch...
Ooops
Why is no one talking about the mars 4 max?!?
Even Elegoo won't reply to me about it
It's going to be a little while before I switch to DLP, the mars 3 is just too cost effective for what it provides... I have 2
Yeah it’s a super awesome Unit
@@FauxHammer The big benefit to DLP is the lifespan and no screen to damage.
@@mikethinks and exposure range
It's been announced, $500!
Not bad
@@FauxHammer Yeah, I'm tempted, but the GKTwo has my attention too
i think both d2 and mars 4 are same projector and same resolution
I think they may be
Mars 4 and saturn 2 which to buy 😢
Ooof, do you want size or quality?
@@FauxHammer I pre-ordered saturn 3 instead, as the 1st 3d printer. Hope it turn out great. Thanks man.
Will the new printer be LOCKED into Chitubox? If so I personally have zero interest in it. The current Anycubic DLP printers are great and not locked down to cripple their use.
As my other comment, unlikely, I’ve yet seen a printer “locked down”. The other slicer makers will find a way at some point.
But the few details we have in this suggests it will be bundled with a new slicer I’ve never heard of before
What's up with this printer, isn't it out? Where are the reviews?
You’re asking me, I was expecting one over a month ago…
Better to spend the $s on a bigger msla IMHO.
I think so too. but some people need the accuracy, in engineering and dental.
But will it be locked into Chitu subscription? Sorry, but thats is 100% deal breaker for me. Locking in hardware to one piece of software is just plain stupid.
Unlikely locked in, but it’s Vixeldance Tangobgaht comes with it. My review is out soon
Not trying to start a fight I noticed you mentioned in the video, then several times in the comments that it takes so long to dial in exposure settings on LCD printers. But why are you spending so much time on exposure settings, to the point that you've repeatedly commented on it being one of the major downsides of an LCD printer?
I ran a 40 minute test print on my Saturn with the resin that I intended to use, dropped the time by 0.4 seconds, ran another test print and haven't looked back since. Sure, I spent 90 minutes dialing it in.
Once.
A year ago.
In that year I've saved 0.4 seconds on every layer I've printed which is much more time efficient than just spitballing a random time like you suggest that people can/should do with a DLP. In my first 5-6 prints that 0.4 seconds per layer time savings probably "paid back" my 90 minute time investment.
And if you're going to do the same dial in process with a DLP then why are you mentioning it as a detraction for the LCD?
Let me cover this in more detail when I do the Mars 4 DLP review next month.
You're probably not wrong and I may have confused myself a bit and lead to confusion with others.
I'm still learning as I print more, so views an opinions have changed over the last year, but you'll have the latest in the latest video
£497 so about a god bit cheaper
Yeah, should make the D2 price drop too
@@FauxHammerwhich one would you buy right now the D2 or the Mars 4 DLP
@@hak2682 whichever is cheaper
I still prefer elegoo or other printers with LCD, I'm gonna take a long time to change to DLP, for jewelers is too bad these things like voxel and layer marks. Terrible, DLP technology always promises a lot but delivers little.
DLP with Antiailiuasing is super sharp, for the accuracy jewelery required I'd have thought this was good.
you lost me - when you said light does not go in straight lines.... maybe near massive gravitational bodies...
ok, now you've lost me.
Indeed, a black hole is pretty much the only thing that can bend light. Here on Earth light always moves in straight lines. Unless you use mirrors to change it's direction, but even then the lines themselves are still straight.
@@Oozaru85 fine ok. it;s not correct. perhspas i should have said that light does not come up out of the screen in a straight line towards the build plate, Because it's reflected all around the chamber below it in various directions.
@@FauxHammer No offense. Your vids are still top notch.
@@Oozaru85 nah it’s a fair point, I have let physics down
So far from the specs listed on their website, it looks like a knockoff of the D2, with a smaller build area, and includes the carbon filter. I'm likely going to just order the D2 as an upgrade for my Photon S.
I think this will force the price of the D2 down, which is a good thing for us all
@@FauxHammer Indeed, I hope so. :) I just got into printing miniatures, and while SLA prints are decent, I can't wait to experience DLP quality.
Hey what's up bro, I searched you from Fiverr, Can i make thumbnails for your channel?
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Great Content Brotha. Way better then the "Uncle Sessie" & "3D Printing Fool" in my opinion video is full of informative information that is 👌. Anyway keep up the Great work and Great Success to you and your Channel.
Wow, what Kudos, I really appreciate such feedback!
I hope its fake everything on it sucks. Flat Screen? Rear power button? Tiny build plate? Ugly cover?
I’m confused by complaint if “Flat Screen”?
the video puts more effort on re-explaining what a DLP is than in Elegoo's new printer characteristics which can be explained as smaller printer surface, air purifier and we don't really anything else. The guy "leaking" the printer could have given some more info if he already had a working model. This looks like an Elegoo water testing