@@CinfulArts Which is to be more exact, they both miss their dance moves and end up bumping into each other and they just keep on dancing, more like a gag than hey look they gay. :/
Pixar was pretty upfront with them wanting LGBT in their films, but the problem being is Disney makes it pretty hard for that to happen and the few times they did do it, it either got censored or got a lot of bad publicity.
@@highsourjamapple9141 that's honestly more messed up than back when people blind sidely called Elemental or any other film without experiences it themselves "woke"
@@Arabmarxistt that's honestly more messed up than back when people blind sidely called Elemental or any other film without experiences it themselves "woke"
Don’t forget they had a whole lgbtq section on Disney Plus, which included Amphiba and Gravity Falls. As someone who has watched these shows (granted, it’s been a hot minute) yes, they do have lgbtq representation. However, it is barely noticeable, or you could just assume they’re just friends, which is reasonable considering the reveal is usually in the lgbtq character’s last scene (Sasha with the bi symbol in the flash forward; Sheiff Blubs and Deputy Durland kissing in the final scene), their sexuality isn’t mentioned before hand (I did not pick up on Sasha having any interest in more than one gender), or the character themselves have little importance to the main story (I had to google Gravity Falls cops to get their names because of how much they were in the background for and I assumed they had a mentorship relationship on first watch). Like, Disney can’t even promote themselves as LGBTQ friendly! Bonus points being that Gravity Falls creator Alex Hirsch called Disney’s ass out for their cowardice, because he wanted the cops to be a couple, but Disney wanted them to only be joke characters, not a couple.
Additional realization: The lgbtq section barely has any shows actually made by Disney. The mouse simply bought the rights to the content when the LGBTQ series was still running or after it ended.
Dana Terrace and the Owl House team did the best they could to wrap up the show, but I don’t understand how you look at this show and think : “Yeah, cancel it”
Bro i swear Disney must've had at least 3 "first gay characters" What i mean is First gay SIDE character First gay BACKGROUND character First gay SUPPORTING character And they contribute almost nothing to the story 💀
4:24 I watched Toy Story 4 in theaters when I was in highschool and I never noticed them in the background so I highly doubt the little kids are going to both notice them in the background and assume they're lesbians 💀
If Disney weren't cowards, they would have had Ian and Barley mom start dating the manticore lady cause not only did the mom have way better chemistry with her then the centuar cop, she was also a better character.
I think it's crazy how gay men never appear in anything (unless it's for comedy, easily edited out, or when the whole point of the show is about homosexuality). Each lesbian character we get in is celebrated like it's groundbreaking, but we nearly never see a gay man character. The only one I can think of is Nimona.
Remember when they canceled Nimona when they bought Blue Sky Studios because the movie has a scene of two men kissing and saying they love each other?? Remember that the film was almost finished when they did this??? Yeah, I remember! And I hated it when I heard that!! Thank God Netflix bought the rights and finished the movie! And you know what?? It's one of the best movies I've ever seen!! The movie was made to be gay! Not only because of the representation it has, but because the creator of the original Webcomic, ND Stiverson, is an LGBT, trans and gender fluid person! They made the comic based on their experiences, it is something very sentimental for them and therefore represents a lot of what many LGBT people go through! And Disney wanted to stop that!
I still found it random ngl. I thought when the white knight said he loved the black knight, I legit thought it was platonic 😭 The kiss jumpscared me (in a good way)
@SuperiorChaotic BRO! THE INTRO SCENE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM IS THE GAYEST THING EVER!!! ALSO, THEIR HANDS ARE TOUCHING IN THE SCENE, HOW THE HELL DID YOU NOT NOTICE THEY WERE A COUPLE???😭
@@laraprisma6381 well to be fair, I only watched the latter half of the movie because my 2 sisters were watching it. Didn't look interesting for me to fully watch it with them 😭
@@theawesomepro9038I literally forgot that movie even existed, lol. There’s MUCH better movies out there. Puss in Boots 2? Wild Robot? The Boy and the Heron?
They are a company that is supposed to be apolitical and not involved in anything that has to do with current politics. They have stated multiple times that their views have been left-leaning. Even going out of their way to fire someone for disagreeing like Gina Carano. If I was CEO, I would never fire someone like Pedro Pascal for comparing 50% of the nation as radical extremist Nazis. That’s not who I am. I respect other opinions and move along. Simple as that.
@@NearsightedNarhwalif they go bankrupt because those movies will be banned in their biggest movie market of Asia, how then do you expect them to keep on making these movies? Y'all should give them time, it's literally a business and they need to ease into it
If there's ANY network that cares about LGBTQ+ rep, it's Nick and/or Cartoon Network. I only say this because on Nick's side, Loud House all sorts of positive LGBT rep; an example being Luna Loud. Over on CN; they had Craig of the Creek, OK KO and of course, Steven Universe. Not to mention the fact the creators fought harder against the higher ups to make such representation happen, even at the cost of their shows being cut short
@@calvinmcmillen2729Steven Universe had six seasons, a movie, an epilogue series, and a game. Yes the main series had to have a quicker pace after the wedding scene due to homophobic countries no longer funding the show, but CN still let Rebecca Sugar release it despite knowing what would happen to the funding. They told her what they expected to happen (less funding) but they gave her the final say. Unfortunately resources aren’t unlimited when it comes to creating and publishing media but CN allowed her to take the risk despite it risking one of their most profitable shows.
And it’s weird how Nickelodeon supports the LGBT Community when it’s Nickelodeon: the studio who loves anything that’s not SpongeBob, Rugrats, Fairly Oddparents, Loud House, TMNT, or Dan Schnider, but not the Walt “I buy companies & trademark fairy tales” Disney Company.
Also Avatar (the four nations one) has queer characters, including Korra, the second avatar after Aang. That's freaking awesome, even though I don't really like that Korrasami couple.
The “funny”thing about live action Lefou being gay is that I watched the live action Beauty and the Beast a million times when I was younger, and I never once picked up on him being gay or his last scene actually being him dancing with the other guy. I honestly thought they just twirled wrong and ended up together. It wasn’t until years later when I learned about the media frenzy around him being gay that I learned that that was not what it meant, and also that he was gay at all. It really goes to show how disingenuous the representation was.
Do you want to know which Disney movie has the best LGBTQ representative ? The Little Mermaid ! This movie and the story on which it is based are an allegory of the LGBTQ community since its original author: Hans Christian Andersen was bisexual. Hell, Ursula is based on the famous drag queen: Divine.
@@George_Fl0yd where did they say characters in the film are gay? They said Ursula was based off a drag queen design which is true, the author of the original short story was possibly bisexual, and the film can be seen as an allegory for being LGBT. That’s not to say that last thing is verified by the creators, but if you can find in the movie then cool more power to you.
@@athf4ever780 I was confused to when he said it was the best lgbt representation, Ursula may be based on a drag queen but she shows nothing that would indicate she liked other girl octopuses
@ you’re missing the point. They didn’t say The Little Mermaid is the best when it comes to LGBT representation, they said it had a possible LGBT Danish author who was said to write love letters to another man, Ursula’s design is based off an iconic LGBT drag queen (nothing about Ursula having romantic feelings for other hybrids like her), and the entire story something LGBT folks can relate to, specifically the themes of transformation, staying silent when not being able to confess your love or true self and whatnot. It’s not LGBT rep, it’s an allegory LGBT people can relate to especially knowing the queerness with the author
Yeah, I think it’s good you brought this up. I also have friends in the LGBTQ community, so I can relate to your position. I think Nimona did a pretty good job with their representation. Nimona the character works perfectly because kids will just see her as a message to be yourself and as they get older they’ll realised it’s an allegory for being trans.
Something that I find kind of interesting about Nimona is that in the film's Latin American Spanish dub, the titular character is voiced by an VA who identifies themselves as non-binary, Alicia Vélez, who is also the new voice for female Ranma in the new anime
12:33 As a trans girl myself, Nimona is moreso a trans allegory through the way she's ostracized by society at large. There's literally been whole system put in place and upheld for over a thousand years to rid their kingdom of her specifically (and, by proxy, anyone else perceived as disrupting the norm). Her shapeshifting powers as a whole aren't that important at the end of the day (although yes, they are easily interpretable as an allegory for gender fluidity and experimentation), but moreso the way she uses them for assimilation (using her human form) vs. disruption (using her animal forms).
Hey sorry if this is a stupid question but when someone says they are a trans girl or a trans guy, does that mean that when they say trans girl that they are biologically a girl or identity as a girl? Thanks ❤️
@@one_unlucky_clover when they say "trans girl" it means they identify as a girl, same with "trans boy" meaning they identify as a boy. I hope that helps you some :D
Fun fact- moon girl and devil dinosuar was supposed to have an episode repersenting a trans people and the struggles they had to go through..what did disney do? Never aired it Edit- CLARIFICATION! disney might have not aired it because of certain groups of people and harrasment. But in **MY OPINION** it shouldve been aired to teach kids, and give proper repersentations to the trans communitity. Its a shame they didnt air it, weither it was because they are homophobes or because they were scrared. It would have been worth the risk.
Disney: "We care about LGBT diversity!" Also Disney: "Make all the scenes containing LGBT diversity easily removeable so we can release it in China and Russia!"
10:07 Yeah on Lake, in the film i remember Wade (main water guy) saying, something like 'This is my sibling Lake and THEIR girlfriend', so it was definitely addressed but wasn't stated as Non-binary.
Oh damn, I had no idea In my country the dub was changed to "this is my sister Lake and her girlfriend" 😭 tbf my native language is a gendered language, but still it's sad that we missed out on an enby character here
As someone who's multiple letters of the lgbt alphabet, I despise when characters are obscure lgbt rep. I love dreamworks, and don't get me wrong, they have some of the best reps of most major studios out there, but the whole "Gobber being gay"? It went right over my head, even though I watched those movies like a religion as a kid. Granted, I love myself some more subtle LGBT inclusion - like in Arcane, with Vi and Cait having a slow-burn type relationship, but there's still moments (ie. when they're in the brothel and Vi does a little head shake when she realises Cait prefers female company) that showcase the character's sexuality. There's definitely ways to represent queerness in a more broad & casual manner, but I feel like some people might mistake that as a lack of overt representation as no representation. (Back to Arcane, where many were upset they didn't kiss in season 1, when I feel it's unrealistic how a lot of queer relationships are presented, especially with strangers who don't immediately make their sexualities known. There's a feeling-out period, and I think Arcane and Heartstopper too, get those presentations right). It's nuanced, and I feel like LGBT topics (and romance in general. Call me biased, but I find that queer media often portrays romance with more nuance & care than most straight romance media) need to be approached on a character & relationship-type basis. Just as in your face representation can take away from more subtle relationships, the inverse can happen from subtle. There's a balance that needs to be found and I noticed a lot of the best representations find that balance well & understand queer relationships, and relationships in general, are more than "X meets Y and falls in love, confesses feelings, followed by sunshine and rainbows," when in reality there's a lot of back and forth, trying to understand how each other feels, checking for signs & deciding when is the best time to push for things. It's more of an ebb and flow rather than a linear path that a lot of media takes. But hey, that's my two cents. (Also, lovely to see a fellow Irish person speaking on LGBT topics!!)
It is if it’s indoctrinating children to think it’s “normal” when it’s literally 9% of the world. Not much percentage at all. Against The Bible as well like drinking. Imagine encouraging drinking towards children and think it’s “normal”. They’re both abominations.
@@dylansharp8471 TL;DR, there was supposed to be an episode featuring a trans character and dealing with a transphobe, but Disney shelved it almost immediately the second they had an excuse to (take a wild guess what that is) despite a good chunk of it being completed.
10:25 disney: Alex Hirsch you can have eldritch demons, attempted murder , blood puring out of animals' mouths and all that but don't you dare use gay to describe those cops
It's honestly embarrassing for Disney to not have representation of LGBT, or handle it well in their movies. What really upsets me too is that I don't see any autism or ADHD representation, Cartoons like The Owl House, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, Adventure Time show all types of representation I want. Hell, even ANIME does it. Sailor Moon was more brave than Disney with Sailor Uranus and Neptune. Disney is just full of cowards, and if you want ACTUAL representation, Disney doesn't care.
I remember when everyone regardless of politics knew that disney didn’t truely care about lgbt stuff until like 2022 where the whole groomer bs came up and they genuinely believe that disney was the gay devil or something
8:38 There’s a hand full of reasons why Disney didn’t promote Strange World but in simple terms, Disney’s previous CEO Bob Chapek didn’t seemed animation was broad appeal for a big audience so they tried to do everything they can to make sure it fails which is just gross to me.
there was also a 101 dalmatians show that they didnt think would do well, and so marketed it and spread it as little as possible. really disappointing, i havent watched it but i've heard that it was actually really good
THANK YOU!!! I’ve been saying this for the longest time now! And it doesn’t seem like a coincidence that they put this kind of representation in their worst performing films 🤔
I still remember when disney wanted to produce love, Victor for Disney plus, then canceled and it was saved by Hulu cause Disney thought it wasn't very " family friendly" and not they host it on Disney plus like there some Progressive moral heroes or something.
Honestly, me as a gay man (I’m more right leaning so this might be why) the best representation would be a normal man like in any other film who just happens to like men. Not a feminine teenager that wears rainbow t shirts and checks off all the diversity boxes.
@@日本のカバ of course no one should be TOLD to change their gender, but if they WANT to, they should be respected and accepted. In the end, “normal” “vanilla” gays and flamboyant effeminate “stereotypical” gays are all just the same filthy queers in the eyes of the people who want to hate crime us, so we should be sticking together as a community
meanwhile, DreamWorks gay/Bi characters (some of them): -Lenny from Shark Tale (implied) -Alex & Marty (watch Madly Madagascar) -RJ & Verne (comic creator confirmed it in 2021) -Gobber from HTTYD -Basically every character in All Hail King Julien -Wolf & Snake (especially in the books) -SheRa & The Princesses Of Power
Alex & Marty aren’t gay, sure they’re more then just best friends, but it’s more like they’re brothers since the Madagascar series likes to pull a found family dynamic. King Julien’s straight bisexual as straight up confirmed in the tv shows, and vice versa with Skipper and I guess Maurice.
Plus was it even that gay? To be honest I’ve found it more lackluster than anything gay or interesting all because the main couple is gay doesn’t make it all gay like they have some straight and other lgbt characters in the show plus it’s not like anything would’ve change the main couple wasn’t gay still have been the same
Disney has had its dark periods before, but they always pulled through and gave us wonderful eras afterward. This is no different. This current dark age will end one day and a new, brighter era will dawn.
I sure can’t wait to watch new episodes of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur!! I sure hope nothing happens to any episodes due to the political climate of US!!! ☺️
@@piglet_teadragon There was supposed to be an episode featuring a trans character and dealing with a transphobe I believe. I think a good chunk of it was even completed enough to be leaked after the news of its cutting came out.
bro I loved the devil dinosaur comics as a kid and I'm trans, so sad the cut it :( I already like the animation cuz It has a great artstyle why'd they do them so dirty smh
Protip: The recently cut trans episode of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur is preserved in full on the Internet Archive! I havent finished watching it yet but its pretty good so far.
they need to portray people who arent a white straight neurotypical male better, period diversity is important not just for diversity, but realism and relatability among wider audiences haters gonna hate and thats the haters problem
I’m an LGBTQ person, and it makes me sad how little rep we get. People are like “yall are in every show, what more do you want?” We want actual representation, not the implication of our existence, or a character suddenly made to be queer, but real intentional representation of us and our community. That’s why I’m learning animation, I want to make good stories that show LGBTQ people and what it’s like. I wish Disney would just let us exist in their stories in a natural way.
7:28 as a trans man who at the time of watching this didn’t know i was trans and identified as lesbian, this scene actually made me feel seen and recognized as a person and the fact that this was almost taken out just because they were lesbian is disgusting
Disney just needs to learn that having a character that happens to be gay as an afterthought to be the better option instead of focusing on it first hand, and make a good movie for once.
I’ll die on this hill but ParaNorman came out in 2012 had an actual gay character and that they hint at throughout the film and even confirms he has a boyfriend at the end. Then there’s Wendall and Wild which has a whole trans character which again you wouldn’t know because they’re so low key about it and not making that the entire personality
@@ashleyrodriguez2050 “Even though you don’t support it”? What the hell does that even mean? What do you not support? Do you want to take our rights away? Are you giving too much of a shit about things that don’t affect you? You can’t be friendly around us and watch our media and then turn around and say you don’t support us. Try understanding us for a change. If you don’t mind engaging with our media, maybe actually learn something from it…
@@gemstone108 I mean I don't care too much about it. That's what I mean. I can watch something that involves LGBTQ but it doesn't mean that I support. For example. I had no idea the girl in elemental was bisexual...does that matter to me? No. It doesn't. So that's what I mean.🙃
Yeah... That's basically Disney... And whenever someone says "Disney is woke", I'm like: No they aren't. Their characters who are "Queer" aren't shown as queer persons or just have the queerness as only character traits without being/acting like Queer person's would.
Yeah that's why I hate all the remakes with race swapping characters, they're not doing it for the representation of people, they're doing it to make it *look* like they care, it rubs me the wrong way so hard but it's so hard to talk about
Nimona is one of my FAVOURITE movies. I love how Balister and Ambrosius' relationship is ACTUALLY a part of the story, and it's SO CUTE, and SO GOOD STORYMAKING, not just there for brownie points.
@@FireGlitch LGBTQIA representation isn't PSA nonsense. It's just representing Queer identities and individuals in a positive light. Companies don't care because they want money. If they represent Queer people and other minorities in some way they receive money.
@@ult1matey0ylepear It is just PSA nonsense. The stupid representation shat is nothing more than pathetic life lessons about "LGBTQ+ or other minority group existing" and nothing else of value. There is no culture or actual different viewpoint being shown on screen. There is no focus on good writing, casting, plot, etc. Because the "Representation" crowd didn't even care to mention any of that. Even without company greed, the idea of focusly pure on uncontrollable characteristics goes against what was taught from previous generations. TL;DC Representation is just PSAs by and for narcissists who let their minority status define them.
Disney: we are gonna cut your show because it's gay Dianna: oh...well can I at least get enough episodes to finish the story? Disney:...fine Dianna: *proceeds to spend most of the budget on a lesbian kiss scene and shoves as much LGBT representation as she possibly could* Disney: wtf
4:15 I'm absolutely dying at you saying "over one million mothers protested it" as if a million individual mums complained lmao... For future reference, "One million moms" is the name of a group that does a lot of stuff like this
I know you showed a clip from The Owl House at 0:57, but not talking about it seems like a disservice. The show has a canonically non-binary character that is referred as they The main character is in a lesbian relationship sharing a kiss with her girlfriend, and has a literal PowerPoint presentation saying she’s Bi and pride flags are waving around ! And then Disney cancelled it…
Try using the word sapphic if one of them isn’t a lesbian. It’s kind of weird to call a relationship between two girls a lesbian relationship if one or both of them aren’t lesbians.
3:59 Speaking of, that film was god awful 9:58 I literallly never knew she was non binary, I just thought the queer thing about her was she was with a woman.
Not to mentioned disney just band a up coming episode of moon girl & devil dinosaur because of politics & the it focus on a trans girl character, yea I'm very disappointed at disney right now
I saw clips of the episode, there is nothing offensive in the episode and what I saw was a very good and well done episode! Like, Bro! That would be so cool to see on TV for a trans person! Finally being openly represented on a show and still being a story about the hardships and prejudices that trans women face in the sports industry! I'm so mad that this episode wasn't allowed to air on TV! I'm not even trans but even I'm pissed about this!!
@ Because trans “women” shouldn’t compete with women in sports they need to compete with the gender they’re originally born as. Hence why several biological women have protested playing against one and why many are uncomfortable with having one as a teammate and rightfully so. Its pathetic that they were so bad at competing against men they had to turn into a woman in order to have a chance at winning.
I like it when films include lgbtq relationship but don’t make a massive deal about it. It makes it feel more normal (as in like a normal every day occurrence, like straight couples) like you don’t see them making a huge deal over straight couples.
Honestly, Riley being "less gay" actually makes perfect sense, because she clearly liked a boy in the first movie. Don't know why he never showed up in the sequel though. That's a bit odd.
Actually.. ☝🤓 the first openly gay character in Disney would be one of the gargoyles in Hunchback of Notre Dame as he's seen flirting with the male goat throughout the film.
@@highsourjamapple9141yes like with journal three (gravity falls) they changed one of the lines in there to explicitly show someone being a friend instead of it being up to interpretation and Alex Hirsch said he didn’t tell anyone to change it
No offense, but some of your characters seem like parodies or something Disney would have come up with to fill their quotes. Your characters and even plot should get fleshed out. Assuming that your dialogue alone will go for the "Hi, my name is [insert character's name]! My pronouns are [insert pronouns]" it likely wouldn't work very well for a story that isn't purely for comedy. Also, the story should have many themes that are relatable to general audiences instead of something that is self-serving. Have a good day.
@@FireGlitch k it's something that I barely get to work on so yeah, not everything is going to be completely perfect. and the dialogue thing was because of the fact their job involves meeting a lot of people. there's still more to the whole thing than what I wrote down also its not a big deal if it's self-serving, I highly doubt I'll actually get anywhere with anything I write, so I just want to do what I want sometime
Honestly, I kind of prefer it when a story is not centered around a gay character. As a gay guy myself, I'm fine just having them show up at all, even as just background characters. It's basically telling an audience "hey, they exist and its fine, its normal", and then move on with the plot. You don't need the entire story to be about how a character is gay. Thats not the main point. These movies aren't romances. They're kid movies with a fun little story (even if the stories themselves are questionable these days). So yeah, there's my hot take.
@gemstone108 That is not at all what he said or implied.... "I like waffles" "So you hate pancakes?" like, no, that's not what was said or implied...
@gemstone108 I never said that so don't twist my words. If they want to make art about their own experiences, then they are free to do so. It's their choice and they have a voice to use. Whether or not it's heard isn't up to them, it's up to those who choose whether or not to listen. I don't know where you got your assumptions from my comment. I was starting a simple opinion of how I feel about how we are portrayed in the media, which has been ok for the most part (besides the occasional stereotype). Now I hope you have a good day.
I think what you're trying to say if you don't want a "gay character" you want a "character who is gay". The issue with a lot of Disney's portrayals is that they advertise it as something gay, rather than something interesting- why? Because its for the money. Obviously there's nothing wrong with using words like: gay, trans, etc to hook in a certain audience to your work, but you need to have more than that. Disney doesn't do that, they just throw gay and trans at the wall and hope it sticks.
love how TOH just goes for it not caring if its for money or not, this was just because of Dana's own interests, which made me appreciate the representation way more. The ship itself was really good, fleshed out a good way whilst also not dragging on for a while. Not only that, but its just a really good fvcking show nonetheless.
ooga ooga i like the same gender that i am. seriously, whats the deal with people hating us? i love the way you love, i live the way you live, i just so happen to like the same gender.
It's not you, it's literally them. Some people are just ignorant and lack empathy. I personally support people from the LGBTQ+ community with all my heart.
"Strange World" was such a goddamn disappointment. I was like "A Disney film? With a gay couple! I have to see that!" and then in the first minutes of the movie Ethan's father was walking around that field or something and I was like "Wow, an average-looking basic dude with a beard as a gay character in a Disney film? And he and his partner will probably interact a lot throughout the plot? Awesome!" ....well, no, of course it had to be his son with longer hair purple clothes and jewlery. And he had what? 4 minutes of screen time with the guy he liked and 1 minute of screen time talking about him? Obviously there is nothing wrong with either of the types of people and styles I've mentioned - gay or not - but seriously Disney? Could this "representation" be more high-stereotype and low-effort?
Ethan had no discernible stereotypes about him? He didn’t have purple hair and cornrows are a common hairstyle among both gay and straight black men. If anything, his love interest had more “visual” stereotypes but even then. All I got from Ethan was that he liked card games, secretly didn’t want to work on the farm, and cared about the enviroment
The Walt Disney Company: scared by the Christian Right for even thinking about helping gay people since 1996. (And if you've seen that video from Defunctland, even before 1996.)
as an open lgbt person, i really hate the way people and especially disney represents us, sure, there is some GREAT cinema (not disney) that has good lgbt representation, but i honestly feel so badly represented by a TON of movies and shows, like okay disney, call a character a certain sexuality and don't give any background info? slap a $20,000,000 dollar budget on that, and call it a say
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I remember being so confused when people celebrated Lefou being gay when the movie itself didn’t even try to imply it
I don't get why people celebrate that someone is gay tho 😭 I mean it's just they sexuality
There was one ballroom scene at the very end where it implies he dances with a guy. That’s it-
@@_.Kasia._being happy that we’re shown in media since its rare
@@Luvs2spwge-xu6rdit’s not rare, but mostly when gay people come on screen, it’s a stereotype on most shows
@@CinfulArts Which is to be more exact, they both miss their dance moves and end up bumping into each other and they just keep on dancing, more like a gag than hey look they gay. :/
Pixar was pretty upfront with them wanting LGBT in their films, but the problem being is Disney makes it pretty hard for that to happen and the few times they did do it, it either got censored or got a lot of bad publicity.
Not to mention some of the public will think they're trying to brainwash kids or being queer is dangerous
@@highsourjamapple9141 i hate the fact that showing a gay character is considered brainwashing. It's insane
@@highsourjamapple9141 that's honestly more messed up than back when people blind sidely called Elemental or any other film without experiences it themselves "woke"
@@Arabmarxistt that's honestly more messed up than back when people blind sidely called Elemental or any other film without experiences it themselves "woke"
Thinking about how turning red was gonna have queer repsentarion
Disney: We support the gays
Also Disney: YOUR SHOW IS CANCELLED FOR HAVING GAY CHARACTERS 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
And then they act like they did the right thing
Don’t forget they had a whole lgbtq section on Disney Plus, which included Amphiba and Gravity Falls.
As someone who has watched these shows (granted, it’s been a hot minute) yes, they do have lgbtq representation.
However, it is barely noticeable, or you could just assume they’re just friends, which is reasonable considering the reveal is usually in the lgbtq character’s last scene (Sasha with the bi symbol in the flash forward; Sheiff Blubs and Deputy Durland kissing in the final scene), their sexuality isn’t mentioned before hand (I did not pick up on Sasha having any interest in more than one gender), or the character themselves have little importance to the main story (I had to google Gravity Falls cops to get their names because of how much they were in the background for and I assumed they had a mentorship relationship on first watch).
Like, Disney can’t even promote themselves as LGBTQ friendly!
Bonus points being that Gravity Falls creator Alex Hirsch called Disney’s ass out for their cowardice, because he wanted the cops to be a couple, but Disney wanted them to only be joke characters, not a couple.
Additional realization: The lgbtq section barely has any shows actually made by Disney. The mouse simply bought the rights to the content when the LGBTQ series was still running or after it ended.
Dana Terrace and the Owl House team did the best they could to wrap up the show, but I don’t understand how you look at this show and think : “Yeah, cancel it”
And people think that Disney pushes wokeness onto people!
Bro i swear
Disney must've had at least 3 "first gay characters"
What i mean is
First gay SIDE character
First gay BACKGROUND character
First gay SUPPORTING character
And they contribute almost nothing to the story 💀
What a shame
Which ones were those?
@@dylansharp8471
Forgot em, but you'll figure em out
@dylansharp8471 two of them are in the thumbnail 💀
And the only indication about their sexuality is through a short mention in a dialogue, which can easily be edited when translated in other countries
4:24 I watched Toy Story 4 in theaters when I was in highschool and I never noticed them in the background so I highly doubt the little kids are going to both notice them in the background and assume they're lesbians 💀
Exactly I didn't notice it either
It's a shame they were in the worst Toy Story movie.
I've been watching this movie on repeat because my baby brother loves it to death, and legit every watch I had never noticed them lmaoo
I just barely learned about it thanks to this video.
Even if they did notice I highly doubt they will care at all
If Disney weren't cowards, they would have had Ian and Barley mom start dating the manticore lady cause not only did the mom have way better chemistry with her then the centuar cop, she was also a better character.
Give me my mythical creature yaoi, cowards
@@dislikebutton6558 I second this
I remember you, you were in the BumbleKast! I really enjoy the episode.
I shipped them when I watched the movie lol I was like "She should get with the manticore gal instead"
@@dislikebutton6558 well if it was Ian's mum and the manticore it wouldn't be yaoi, it'd be yuri
I think it's crazy how gay men never appear in anything (unless it's for comedy, easily edited out, or when the whole point of the show is about homosexuality). Each lesbian character we get in is celebrated like it's groundbreaking, but we nearly never see a gay man character. The only one I can think of is Nimona.
The owl house?
@@gryficowaThey are a handful but they don't really get big roles
@@EsamackHunter's bi, i know it's not the same thing and he's canonically in a straight relationship, but he's a major character.
@HelluvaSwiftie Yeah, I know, but the gay male characters such as Darius don't really have a big role
@@Esamackisn’t Gus gay? Or is he bi?
Remember when they canceled Nimona when they bought Blue Sky Studios because the movie has a scene of two men kissing and saying they love each other?? Remember that the film was almost finished when they did this??? Yeah, I remember! And I hated it when I heard that!! Thank God Netflix bought the rights and finished the movie! And you know what?? It's one of the best movies I've ever seen!! The movie was made to be gay! Not only because of the representation it has, but because the creator of the original Webcomic, ND Stiverson, is an LGBT, trans and gender fluid person! They made the comic based on their experiences, it is something very sentimental for them and therefore represents a lot of what many LGBT people go through! And Disney wanted to stop that!
I still found it random ngl. I thought when the white knight said he loved the black knight, I legit thought it was platonic 😭 The kiss jumpscared me (in a good way)
@SuperiorChaotic BRO! THE INTRO SCENE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM IS THE GAYEST THING EVER!!! ALSO, THEIR HANDS ARE TOUCHING IN THE SCENE, HOW THE HELL DID YOU NOT NOTICE THEY WERE A COUPLE???😭
@@laraprisma6381 well to be fair, I only watched the latter half of the movie because my 2 sisters were watching it. Didn't look interesting for me to fully watch it with them 😭
Nimona even got an Oscar nomination!!! They didn’t win sadly but they deserve the nomination I love the movie so much
@@theawesomepro9038I literally forgot that movie even existed, lol. There’s MUCH better movies out there. Puss in Boots 2? Wild Robot? The Boy and the Heron?
If they actually cared about the LGBTQ+, they would’ve kept Nimona in production
Exactly
Nimona deserved better
@highsourjamapple9141 hey at least it got out into the world showing how bad Disney is
@@z10fury73 yep
@@z10fury73/ do anybody knows, who's has the ("Highest Grossing movies) out this year!!
In my opinion, don't have gay characters. Have characters that just so happens to be gay.
Just like paranorman
@@Master-bk3qdno literally
Exactly!!!
or just have normal characters much better
@markchambers-yq3oh You know what I want? More autism representation. Good autism representation. Too much stigma around autism.
Imagine calling Disney woke when the things Disney done is the literal opposite of woke
Almost every football phonk editor lover says that disneys woke and dreamworks is good cause there a lil bit of blood in puss in boots
Don't forget to mention that people nowadays use the word woke for anything they disagree about.
They are a company that is supposed to be apolitical and not involved in anything that has to do with current politics. They have stated multiple times that their views have been left-leaning. Even going out of their way to fire someone for disagreeing like Gina Carano. If I was CEO, I would never fire someone like Pedro Pascal for comparing 50% of the nation as radical extremist Nazis. That’s not who I am. I respect other opinions and move along. Simple as that.
@@RoxandDavidIt’s “woke”, lol.
@@LordTylerBluGunderson don't worry I corrected it
Disney are allies when it makes them money
This.
They’ll claim how supportive they are because they had two girls have a crush on each other, but god forbid they kiss
Bingo (same for every corporation out there)
That's literally every company so it shouldn't surprise you or anyone
@@NearsightedNarhwalif they go bankrupt because those movies will be banned in their biggest movie market of Asia, how then do you expect them to keep on making these movies? Y'all should give them time, it's literally a business and they need to ease into it
Lmao THIS. Also literally every company during Pride Month.
If there's ANY network that cares about LGBTQ+ rep, it's Nick and/or Cartoon Network.
I only say this because on Nick's side, Loud House all sorts of positive LGBT rep; an example being Luna Loud. Over on CN; they had Craig of the Creek, OK KO and of course, Steven Universe. Not to mention the fact the creators fought harder against the higher ups to make such representation happen, even at the cost of their shows being cut short
CN isn't any good either, how do you think Steven Universe was cut?
@@calvinmcmillen2729Steven Universe had six seasons, a movie, an epilogue series, and a game. Yes the main series had to have a quicker pace after the wedding scene due to homophobic countries no longer funding the show, but CN still let Rebecca Sugar release it despite knowing what would happen to the funding. They told her what they expected to happen (less funding) but they gave her the final say. Unfortunately resources aren’t unlimited when it comes to creating and publishing media but CN allowed her to take the risk despite it risking one of their most profitable shows.
adventure time also had some LGBTQ+
And it’s weird how Nickelodeon supports the LGBT Community when it’s Nickelodeon: the studio who loves anything that’s not SpongeBob, Rugrats, Fairly Oddparents, Loud House, TMNT, or Dan Schnider, but not the Walt “I buy companies & trademark fairy tales” Disney Company.
Also Avatar (the four nations one) has queer characters, including Korra, the second avatar after Aang. That's freaking awesome, even though I don't really like that Korrasami couple.
1:01 …y’know except that time they cancelled The Owl House for being too Queer
Not for it being queer specifically, but because one guy in the office was like: "Erm actually, it doesn't fit disney" (what a load of crap that was-)
IM GONNA BE MAD FOR EVER FOR THIS!! THERE WERE SUPPOSE TO BE 5 SEASON, A WHOLE SEASON IN HUMAN REALM, A BEACH EPISODE AND HOOTIES BACKSTORY!!!!!
Yeah that’s cope they never planned to have any of that it was gonna end on unity
@@Mightymewing360 That would have been horrible! A cliff hanger, just like dead end (the animated sereis)
lol
The “funny”thing about live action Lefou being gay is that I watched the live action Beauty and the Beast a million times when I was younger, and I never once picked up on him being gay or his last scene actually being him dancing with the other guy. I honestly thought they just twirled wrong and ended up together. It wasn’t until years later when I learned about the media frenzy around him being gay that I learned that that was not what it meant, and also that he was gay at all. It really goes to show how disingenuous the representation was.
Literally. even his "gay actions and movements" and whatever can be chalked up to the whole cartoon to live action effect
The guy he's dancing with literally came out of the closet a scene earlier, though...
Do you want to know which Disney movie has the best LGBTQ representative ? The Little Mermaid ! This movie and the story on which it is based are an allegory of the LGBTQ community since its original author: Hans Christian Andersen was bisexual. Hell, Ursula is based on the famous drag queen: Divine.
None of the characters are even remotely close to being 🏳️🌈
Huh, I never knew that until now.
@@George_Fl0yd where did they say characters in the film are gay? They said Ursula was based off a drag queen design which is true, the author of the original short story was possibly bisexual, and the film can be seen as an allegory for being LGBT. That’s not to say that last thing is verified by the creators, but if you can find in the movie then cool more power to you.
@@athf4ever780 I was confused to when he said it was the best lgbt representation, Ursula may be based on a drag queen but she shows nothing that would indicate she liked other girl octopuses
@ you’re missing the point. They didn’t say The Little Mermaid is the best when it comes to LGBT representation, they said it had a possible LGBT Danish author who was said to write love letters to another man, Ursula’s design is based off an iconic LGBT drag queen (nothing about Ursula having romantic feelings for other hybrids like her), and the entire story something LGBT folks can relate to, specifically the themes of transformation, staying silent when not being able to confess your love or true self and whatnot. It’s not LGBT rep, it’s an allegory LGBT people can relate to especially knowing the queerness with the author
The Owl House didn't deserve to be canceled
Yes it did lol
HERE HERE
You mean The Owl House shouldn't belong to Disney, FCKING YES!!!
@@pugpartyproductions9499 It's the greatest show on earth.
Change my mind
@@MightyManticsI bet you think hazbin hotel is a good show too. Don’t you.
Yeah, I think it’s good you brought this up. I also have friends in the LGBTQ community, so I can relate to your position. I think Nimona did a pretty good job with their representation. Nimona the character works perfectly because kids will just see her as a message to be yourself and as they get older they’ll realised it’s an allegory for being trans.
Something that I find kind of interesting about Nimona is that in the film's Latin American Spanish dub, the titular character is voiced by an VA who identifies themselves as non-binary, Alicia Vélez, who is also the new voice for female Ranma in the new anime
Yep
@@pablocasas5906Based!
Man yall are delulu..
How are you okay with showing kids gay cartoons.. FOR KIDS!
@@ASHYWAHSY Using that logic, how are you ok with showing kids straight cartoons.. FOR KIDS!
12:33 As a trans girl myself, Nimona is moreso a trans allegory through the way she's ostracized by society at large. There's literally been whole system put in place and upheld for over a thousand years to rid their kingdom of her specifically (and, by proxy, anyone else perceived as disrupting the norm).
Her shapeshifting powers as a whole aren't that important at the end of the day (although yes, they are easily interpretable as an allegory for gender fluidity and experimentation), but moreso the way she uses them for assimilation (using her human form) vs. disruption (using her animal forms).
Hey sorry if this is a stupid question but when someone says they are a trans girl or a trans guy, does that mean that when they say trans girl that they are biologically a girl or identity as a girl? Thanks ❤️
@@one_unlucky_clover when they say "trans girl" it means they identify as a girl, same with "trans boy" meaning they identify as a boy. I hope that helps you some :D
@@one_unlucky_clovera trans man is someone who went from female to male and trans woman is someone who went from male to female
hope this helps 😁
@@snailemoji96Thank you! ❤️🏳️⚧️
@one_unlucky_cloverI've been wondering the same question
Fun fact- moon girl and devil dinosuar was supposed to have an episode repersenting a trans people and the struggles they had to go through..what did disney do? Never aired it
Edit- CLARIFICATION! disney might have not aired it because of certain groups of people and harrasment. But in **MY OPINION** it shouldve been aired to teach kids, and give proper repersentations to the trans communitity. Its a shame they didnt air it, weither it was because they are homophobes or because they were scrared. It would have been worth the risk.
😐 quite unnecessary- the need for that isn’t of great importance. If you want to make a movie go right ahead.
Well yeah cuz certain pare wouldn’t want to see it
@gwenmloveskpopandmore true. But it would have been good trans rep
@@Funtimes_in_aNightmare it would have but I think they were too afraid to air it
@gwenmloveskpopandmore true
Disney: "We care about LGBT diversity!"
Also Disney: "Make all the scenes containing LGBT diversity easily removeable so we can release it in China and Russia!"
ah yes, my two favorritee countries, with VERYY upstanding morals all around.
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@@velocity9OOOYT The countries suck butt, the culture is awesome. Why, politics. Why, selfish leaders.
10:07 Yeah on Lake, in the film i remember Wade (main water guy) saying, something like 'This is my sibling Lake and THEIR girlfriend', so it was definitely addressed but wasn't stated as Non-binary.
Oh damn, I had no idea
In my country the dub was changed to "this is my sister Lake and her girlfriend" 😭 tbf my native language is a gendered language, but still it's sad that we missed out on an enby character here
As someone who's multiple letters of the lgbt alphabet, I despise when characters are obscure lgbt rep. I love dreamworks, and don't get me wrong, they have some of the best reps of most major studios out there, but the whole "Gobber being gay"? It went right over my head, even though I watched those movies like a religion as a kid.
Granted, I love myself some more subtle LGBT inclusion - like in Arcane, with Vi and Cait having a slow-burn type relationship, but there's still moments (ie. when they're in the brothel and Vi does a little head shake when she realises Cait prefers female company) that showcase the character's sexuality. There's definitely ways to represent queerness in a more broad & casual manner, but I feel like some people might mistake that as a lack of overt representation as no representation. (Back to Arcane, where many were upset they didn't kiss in season 1, when I feel it's unrealistic how a lot of queer relationships are presented, especially with strangers who don't immediately make their sexualities known. There's a feeling-out period, and I think Arcane and Heartstopper too, get those presentations right).
It's nuanced, and I feel like LGBT topics (and romance in general. Call me biased, but I find that queer media often portrays romance with more nuance & care than most straight romance media) need to be approached on a character & relationship-type basis. Just as in your face representation can take away from more subtle relationships, the inverse can happen from subtle. There's a balance that needs to be found and I noticed a lot of the best representations find that balance well & understand queer relationships, and relationships in general, are more than "X meets Y and falls in love, confesses feelings, followed by sunshine and rainbows," when in reality there's a lot of back and forth, trying to understand how each other feels, checking for signs & deciding when is the best time to push for things. It's more of an ebb and flow rather than a linear path that a lot of media takes.
But hey, that's my two cents. (Also, lovely to see a fellow Irish person speaking on LGBT topics!!)
I am also multiple letters of this alphabet soup we inhabit, and I agree
YES theres so much more than just “i like you” “me too” “let’s be together now!”
i pressed "show more" and thought it turned on light mode
Two women raising a child doesn’t even mean lesbian couples 😭 they could be sisters! Or besties! Or like anything else bro
Yes you are right ❤
People become so paranoid😢
Or aroace queerplatonic partners 😊
And they were r00mmates 🚶♀️
@@Oddiish-Poddishoh my gawd they were roomates 🤯
real like
disney: *shows 2 wemen and a kid toghether*
people: thats dangerous!
grrrrrr woke lgbtq mind virus INFECTING KEDS🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
It is if it’s indoctrinating children to think it’s “normal” when it’s literally 9% of the world. Not much percentage at all. Against The Bible as well like drinking. Imagine encouraging drinking towards children and think it’s “normal”. They’re both abominations.
Children movies and videogames are meant to be a escape from reality, not seeing it there.
@@ILJa-2 its not that bad bro 😭
@@ILJa-2 bro is NOT onton ANYthing
Not to mention the moon girl Brooklyn situation....damn that hurts
ikr
Come again?
@@dylansharp8471 i know that the Brooklyn situation in Moon Girl is such a pain
Moon Girl is an amazing Disney show that deserves better
@@dylansharp8471 TL;DR, there was supposed to be an episode featuring a trans character and dealing with a transphobe, but Disney shelved it almost immediately the second they had an excuse to (take a wild guess what that is) despite a good chunk of it being completed.
@@yesno2697 The whole episode was completed months ago actually. Someone leaked it
as a LBGT i don't like the way disney representate us
@@sneakydeechey7210Get out of the comment section all you do is be hateful
@@sneakydeechey7210
Haha. Funny anti-woke humor. You wanna a cookie?
@@NearsightedNarhwal sure
Kind of how the Latin American audience reacted towards Primos? 😅
@@sneakydeechey7210 You irl: *Seething*
10:25
disney: Alex Hirsch you can have eldritch demons, attempted murder , blood puring out of animals' mouths and all that but don't you dare use gay to describe those cops
Alex Hirsch confirming Bill as gay years later 😎
@@2010-g8n Wait, he's done that? Where?
@ In the book of Bill. It’s confirmed that Ford and Bill had a more explicit relationship then just friends
@@2010-g8nWill forever mourn the loss of AroAce Bill 😞
@@2010-g8n 🤯Wow, so BillFord's actually been canon?
Let's not forget, they cancelled Owl House. The best LGBTQ show in Disney.
good
@@newgennewplan
What is?
@@newgennewplan Give mom her phone back, kid
@@dylansharp8471 they're just pressed that theres LGBT in shows and glazes trump
The Owl House is Not Cancelled, Is Concluded
It's honestly embarrassing for Disney to not have representation of LGBT, or handle it well in their movies. What really upsets me too is that I don't see any autism or ADHD representation,
Cartoons like The Owl House, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, Adventure Time show all types of representation I want. Hell, even ANIME does it. Sailor Moon was more brave than Disney with Sailor Uranus and Neptune. Disney is just full of cowards, and if you want ACTUAL representation, Disney doesn't care.
watch All Hail King Julien the gayest show ever
Yeah… I totally think Willie’s gay all because he’s a felon.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios how are you everywhere??
I’m a figment of your imagination
Wasn't sailor moon a bit censored and they made them censored? Or am i tripping
I remember when everyone regardless of politics knew that disney didn’t truely care about lgbt stuff until like 2022 where the whole groomer bs came up and they genuinely believe that disney was the gay devil or something
"everyone regardless of politics" Nah bro there were still some back then who believed such bullcrap about Disney being the gay devil.
8:38 There’s a hand full of reasons why Disney didn’t promote Strange World but in simple terms, Disney’s previous CEO Bob Chapek didn’t seemed animation was broad appeal for a big audience so they tried to do everything they can to make sure it fails which is just gross to me.
Well, It was pretty advertised in my country. But I didn't watch it 'cause it didn't look very interesting to me.
it was also just a boring movie, watched half of it and then gave up
@@valentinkambushev4968 same.
there was also a 101 dalmatians show that they didnt think would do well, and so marketed it and spread it as little as possible. really disappointing, i havent watched it but i've heard that it was actually really good
@HelluvaSwiftie yeah, I didn't like it either, because how dull and uninspiring it is
THANK YOU!!! I’ve been saying this for the longest time now! And it doesn’t seem like a coincidence that they put this kind of representation in their worst performing films 🤔
It's basically sabotage.
Worst performing?
@ just the Disney films that are really bad or just don’t do well at the box office
they tried making Riley less gay? Well they failed because EVERYONE still got that vibe. Inside Out 2 would've been so much better if she was. Cowards
Yeah my bi-fi was going off that whole movie
I watched a bit of it but i had a feeling 😭
I know, right?😭
the entire time i watched it i kept thinking "that girl ain't straight"
I don’t think her being gay would’ve work bro
as a member of the lgbt+ community, we love you, straight white Irish man, and claim you as our own
How old you is?
@@naetench5607 uh why?
@emiliamcdonald1435 dont answer that, its the internet and you dont know what kind of freaks are on here
Why does it matter if he's white and Irish? Are there no white and/or Irish gays lmfao
@@haybale287I’m a white gay
I still remember when disney wanted to produce love, Victor for Disney plus, then canceled and it was saved by Hulu cause Disney thought it wasn't very " family friendly" and not they host it on Disney plus like there some Progressive moral heroes or something.
*and now*
8:43 i actually liked strange world mostly because i love the question of 'how big can an organism be before it becomes a habatat'
I adore when Straight people talk about this cuz idk It gives me some hope
Honestly, me as a gay man (I’m more right leaning so this might be why) the best representation would be a normal man like in any other film who just happens to like men. Not a feminine teenager that wears rainbow t shirts and checks off all the diversity boxes.
Yes!
Do you support those feminine teens in real life though? Because they do exist and deserve to be represented the same as everyone else.
@ I mean as long as they aren’t being told to change their gender then I’m fine with it
Amen!
@@日本のカバ of course no one should be TOLD to change their gender, but if they WANT to, they should be respected and accepted. In the end, “normal” “vanilla” gays and flamboyant effeminate “stereotypical” gays are all just the same filthy queers in the eyes of the people who want to hate crime us, so we should be sticking together as a community
Stupid question but when was Winnie the Pooh considered LGBT?
I know right
That’s the whole point 😭 he’s not
@@danwilliams1989 stupid question is right
not a stupid question at all, youre right
he never was
@@thelivingliver6715 it’s objectively stupid
Disney's first gay characters were Honest John and Gideon and no one talks about it
You mean Gideon from Gravity Falls? He didn't strike me as a gay person.
@@FIDELELIZONDO-zw3oo Gideon is the cat "sidekick" of Honest John
@@JThePlante ah, ok, sorry about the misunderstanding
@@FIDELELIZONDO-zw3oo It's ok and a bucket of oats
How hard is it not to have an issue with two people loving one another
more difficult than it should be surprisingly
meanwhile, DreamWorks gay/Bi characters (some of them):
-Lenny from Shark Tale (implied)
-Alex & Marty (watch Madly Madagascar)
-RJ & Verne (comic creator confirmed it in 2021)
-Gobber from HTTYD
-Basically every character in All Hail King Julien
-Wolf & Snake (especially in the books)
-SheRa & The Princesses Of Power
Alex & Marty aren’t gay, sure they’re more then just best friends, but it’s more like they’re brothers since the Madagascar series likes to pull a found family dynamic.
King Julien’s straight bisexual as straight up confirmed in the tv shows, and vice versa with Skipper and I guess Maurice.
I LOVE GOBBERR
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I changed it to gay/bi
Tulio and Miguel (bi)
@@JThePlante they’re still not bi in the films. They’re like brothers, except they’re not related.
More people know the owl house as “The lesbian show” than an actual show
I know, I love the plot and stuff like it has the coolest magic system ever.
same, I really wish it got more seasons
I remember that episode that heavily focuses on Gus gets overshadowed by Amity kissing Luz on the cheek
Plus was it even that gay? To be honest I’ve found it more lackluster than anything gay or interesting all because the main couple is gay doesn’t make it all gay like they have some straight and other lgbt characters in the show plus it’s not like anything would’ve change the main couple wasn’t gay still have been the same
The relationship isn’t even a lesbian ship, it’s sapphic. The main character is bi. Not all sapphic relationships are lesbian relationships.
Disney has had its dark periods before, but they always pulled through and gave us wonderful eras afterward. This is no different. This current dark age will end one day and a new, brighter era will dawn.
I hope that will be the case Hewy.
hopefully inside out 2 ended that era
@@thanospookie69 Nah, WDW Pro still complains about that movie, yelling about how it's mediocre and doesn't deserve its box office gross. Sad really.
I sure can’t wait to watch new episodes of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur!! I sure hope nothing happens to any episodes due to the political climate of US!!! ☺️
@@vxsilly don’t care
@@sneakydeechey7210 don't care
OMG!! the realest real ive ever realest real seen!!
🙄hope no one remembers that Disney cut a trans episode from moon girl and devil dino. cause of politics just saying 🙄🙄
theres's a what?
@@piglet_teadragon There was supposed to be an episode featuring a trans character and dealing with a transphobe I believe. I think a good chunk of it was even completed enough to be leaked after the news of its cutting came out.
Exactly it’s ridiculous the bigots let that happen
bro I loved the devil dinosaur comics as a kid and I'm trans, so sad the cut it :( I already like the animation cuz It has a great artstyle why'd they do them so dirty smh
@@piglet_teadragon it's on the New York post talking about it.
Protip: The recently cut trans episode of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur is preserved in full on the Internet Archive! I havent finished watching it yet but its pretty good so far.
They need to portray gay people better honestly so what if people hate it
they need to portray people who arent a white straight neurotypical male better, period
diversity is important not just for diversity, but realism and relatability among wider audiences
haters gonna hate and thats the haters problem
It's messed up from both disney and their community.
Disney only adding LGBT for money
And the community just ugh... I don't even wanna start
Just imagine protesting over two animated Disney characters that only show up in the background for a few seconds 😅
I’m an LGBTQ person, and it makes me sad how little rep we get. People are like “yall are in every show, what more do you want?” We want actual representation, not the implication of our existence, or a character suddenly made to be queer, but real intentional representation of us and our community. That’s why I’m learning animation, I want to make good stories that show LGBTQ people and what it’s like. I wish Disney would just let us exist in their stories in a natural way.
I feel like the creators are like "oh yeah [insert character name who shouldn't be the gay one] is gay now!!! Be happy for him! Oh- you aren't 🥺"
@ “oh- your not happy we put in minimal effort into creating a character you can see yourself in? You’re being ungrateful! Not everyone can be gay”
Off topic but hello fellow aroace:)
@@AussieGuy-qb8mh hello
@ I'm aroace too
7:28 as a trans man who at the time of watching this didn’t know i was trans and identified as lesbian, this scene actually made me feel seen and recognized as a person and the fact that this was almost taken out just because they were lesbian is disgusting
1:09 Alex Hirsch was a fr LEGEND for this. Thanks Alex. You've severed us well.
10:21 APPARENTLY?! BRO THEY KISS! THEY SAY THEY ARE IN LOVE! In the last episode. So ya fair enough.
they never kissed in the show but yeah i see what you mean
I thought it was in a short where they kissed
Disney just needs to learn that having a character that happens to be gay as an afterthought to be the better option instead of focusing on it first hand, and make a good movie for once.
I’ll die on this hill but ParaNorman came out in 2012 had an actual gay character and that they hint at throughout the film and even confirms he has a boyfriend at the end. Then there’s Wendall and Wild which has a whole trans character which again you wouldn’t know because they’re so low key about it and not making that the entire personality
Both underrated movies right here!
I mean anyone can tell. But I agree that it isn't in your face.
I love those movies! I have watched them even tho I don't support LGBT.😊
@@ashleyrodriguez2050 “Even though you don’t support it”? What the hell does that even mean? What do you not support? Do you want to take our rights away? Are you giving too much of a shit about things that don’t affect you? You can’t be friendly around us and watch our media and then turn around and say you don’t support us. Try understanding us for a change. If you don’t mind engaging with our media, maybe actually learn something from it…
@@gemstone108 I mean I don't care too much about it. That's what I mean. I can watch something that involves LGBTQ but it doesn't mean that I support. For example. I had no idea the girl in elemental was bisexual...does that matter to me? No. It doesn't. So that's what I mean.🙃
”Well actually maybe scar“ caught me off guard 😂
Yeah... That's basically Disney... And whenever someone says "Disney is woke", I'm like: No they aren't. Their characters who are "Queer" aren't shown as queer persons or just have the queerness as only character traits without being/acting like Queer person's would.
10:25 Alex wanted to make them blatantly gay but Disney said no so he made their names sound like pet names
Yeah that's why I hate all the remakes with race swapping characters, they're not doing it for the representation of people, they're doing it to make it *look* like they care, it rubs me the wrong way so hard but it's so hard to talk about
i will never forgive disney for cancelling the owl house
Sigh.. me too man
@DustinEnter yeah
Agreed
Fr it was so f*cking good
Nimona is one of my FAVOURITE movies. I love how Balister and Ambrosius' relationship is ACTUALLY a part of the story, and it's SO CUTE, and SO GOOD STORYMAKING, not just there for brownie points.
Bro I thought Judy’s neighbors were brothers 😭
Same lol
Same here lmao
i didnt even notice them there i was looking at judy because shes the protagonist lolol
and even then yeah they look like twins
@@thelivingliver6715 Yeah, definitely lol
"Disney does not care about LGBTQIA+ Representation." Grass is green.
Exactly! People actually expect companies to care about their crappy PSA nonsense!
@@FireGlitch LGBTQIA representation isn't PSA nonsense. It's just representing Queer identities and individuals in a positive light. Companies don't care because they want money. If they represent Queer people and other minorities in some way they receive money.
Hey Gir!
@@ult1matey0ylepear It is just PSA nonsense.
The stupid representation shat is nothing more than pathetic life lessons about "LGBTQ+ or other minority group existing" and nothing else of value.
There is no culture or actual different viewpoint being shown on screen. There is no focus on good writing, casting, plot, etc.
Because the "Representation" crowd didn't even care to mention any of that.
Even without company greed, the idea of focusly pure on uncontrollable characteristics goes against what was taught from previous generations.
TL;DC
Representation is just PSAs by and for narcissists who let their minority status define them.
@@Ivan-y6z5m Hai IVAN !!! XD
Thinking corporations care about anyone is stupid they care for your wallets
Disney: we are gonna cut your show because it's gay
Dianna: oh...well can I at least get enough episodes to finish the story?
Disney:...fine
Dianna: *proceeds to spend most of the budget on a lesbian kiss scene and shoves as much LGBT representation as she possibly could*
Disney: wtf
At least they're not acting like they care anymore
Yeah, I thought it was obvious they didn't care and only did it for the money...but I guess people will dream 😅
I love how as close as we got to trans representation for Disney, is an ALLEGORY(even though it’s a pretty good one)
4:15 I'm absolutely dying at you saying "over one million mothers protested it" as if a million individual mums complained lmao...
For future reference, "One million moms" is the name of a group that does a lot of stuff like this
Am scared for Moana 2 now…Lin Manuel Miranda IS NOT MAKING THE MUSICCCCCC
I know you showed a clip from The Owl House at 0:57, but not talking about it seems like a disservice.
The show has a canonically non-binary character that is referred as they
The main character is in a lesbian relationship sharing a kiss with her girlfriend, and has a literal PowerPoint presentation saying she’s Bi and pride flags are waving around !
And then Disney cancelled it…
That last example is after they canceled it. Those last 3 episodes were very lucky to exist to end the show.
Try using the word sapphic if one of them isn’t a lesbian. It’s kind of weird to call a relationship between two girls a lesbian relationship if one or both of them aren’t lesbians.
They're both lesbians
btw they recently banned a trans episode of moon girl magic. It leaked recently.
3:59 Speaking of, that film was god awful
9:58 I literallly never knew she was non binary, I just thought the queer thing about her was she was with a woman.
Yah the element one was a one line thing and it could be easily missed Wade said “this is my sibling, Lake” or something to that effect.
alex's tweets are always so real
As a bi person the only ‘good’ gay couple was in toh amity and Luz, they actually do it right
real😭 im lesbian and i LOVED lumity so much because they had so much character development, and they were written right >.
@@paper_inanimateinsanity and what did Disney do? On yes they canceled the owl house and i well never forgive they for that
I love those lesbians
@@jhanandreamarquez4197 my too i 100% support gay and lesbians people it's so cute 🏳🏳️🌈👩❤️💋👩👩❤️👩👑💗💕💞💞💗💞
Not to mentioned disney just band a up coming episode of moon girl & devil dinosaur because of politics & the it focus on a trans girl character, yea I'm very disappointed at disney right now
I saw clips of the episode, there is nothing offensive in the episode and what I saw was a very good and well done episode! Like, Bro! That would be so cool to see on TV for a trans person! Finally being openly represented on a show and still being a story about the hardships and prejudices that trans women face in the sports industry! I'm so mad that this episode wasn't allowed to air on TV! I'm not even trans but even I'm pissed about this!!
@ Because trans “women” shouldn’t compete with women in sports they need to compete with the gender they’re originally born as. Hence why several biological women have protested playing against one and why many are uncomfortable with having one as a teammate and rightfully so. Its pathetic that they were so bad at competing against men they had to turn into a woman in order to have a chance at winning.
@@laraprisma6381 can it still be watched or is it gone?
@@sneakydeechey7210Look at that! A wild transphobe! *Battle music starts playing* Commenter, use pepper spray!
@@sneakydeechey7210
Disney+?
Yeah, that's why they cancelled The Owl House
'Doesn't fit the brand', my ass
They cave to the hate and bigotry so easily
Elemental is an Underrated gem like Onward. I don’t mind Lake and their partner cause aren’t that important to the story (I’m Bisexual)
i didnt even know they were enby until i saw this vid
Bruh Disney needs to bring back owl house I wanted so much more. The whole show was amazing and I wanted more.
It was mid to be honest
It was kinda boring
@ I liked it 😢 sorry it wasn’t to your liking
@@Mightymewing360 don't pmo 💀
I like it when films include lgbtq relationship but don’t make a massive deal about it. It makes it feel more normal (as in like a normal every day occurrence, like straight couples) like you don’t see them making a huge deal over straight couples.
Honestly, Riley being "less gay" actually makes perfect sense, because she clearly liked a boy in the first movie. Don't know why he never showed up in the sequel though. That's a bit odd.
I think he a small little cameo in it as one of those bad outcomes Anxiety had those little guys draw.
@@dylansharp8471there was a small short
Why do people always forget bisexuals exist?! IT’S SO ANNOYING!😤
@@PersonBrownat least we have robin
He probably never showed up because they were 12 and moved past it
And people still say that the company is woke.
Actually.. ☝🤓 the first openly gay character in Disney would be one of the gargoyles in Hunchback of Notre Dame as he's seen flirting with the male goat throughout the film.
Honestly it makes me sad how many homophobic people are in this comment section
@@W-West5555 there’s people afraid of houses here?
@ yes spot so many people terrified of houses there so scared they can’t even leave there own homes oh wait
@@W-West5555 damn bro you got the whole squad laughing 😐
Yeah :(
@@sneakydeechey7210 I was just building of your amazing joke bro you should really get the credit for the top notch humour 😁
I'm glad u handle this topic with care zac great video my dude ur speaking facts
9:29 I kinda like it😂
I'm a queer writer (as in I write LGBT stories and I'm queer myself), and I know for a fact any screenplay I make is NOT going to Disney
Don't even trust Disney with your stuff, they'd probably change it behind your back
@@highsourjamapple9141yes like with journal three (gravity falls) they changed one of the lines in there to explicitly show someone being a friend instead of it being up to interpretation and Alex Hirsch said he didn’t tell anyone to change it
A24!
No offense, but some of your characters seem like parodies or something Disney would have come up with to fill their quotes.
Your characters and even plot should get fleshed out. Assuming that your dialogue alone will go for the "Hi, my name is [insert character's name]! My pronouns are [insert pronouns]" it likely wouldn't work very well for a story that isn't purely for comedy.
Also, the story should have many themes that are relatable to general audiences instead of something that is self-serving.
Have a good day.
@@FireGlitch k
it's something that I barely get to work on so yeah, not everything is going to be completely perfect. and the dialogue thing was because of the fact their job involves meeting a lot of people. there's still more to the whole thing than what I wrote down
also its not a big deal if it's self-serving, I highly doubt I'll actually get anywhere with anything I write, so I just want to do what I want sometime
🌈✨ rainbow capitalism ✨🌈
And profit bless it🫡🫡🫡
Honestly, I kind of prefer it when a story is not centered around a gay character. As a gay guy myself, I'm fine just having them show up at all, even as just background characters. It's basically telling an audience "hey, they exist and its fine, its normal", and then move on with the plot. You don't need the entire story to be about how a character is gay. Thats not the main point. These movies aren't romances. They're kid movies with a fun little story (even if the stories themselves are questionable these days). So yeah, there's my hot take.
What about small gay creators who make art about their own experiences? Are you saying they can’t have a voice?
@gemstone108 That is not at all what he said or implied....
"I like waffles"
"So you hate pancakes?"
like, no, that's not what was said or implied...
@gemstone108 I never said that so don't twist my words. If they want to make art about their own experiences, then they are free to do so. It's their choice and they have a voice to use. Whether or not it's heard isn't up to them, it's up to those who choose whether or not to listen.
I don't know where you got your assumptions from my comment. I was starting a simple opinion of how I feel about how we are portrayed in the media, which has been ok for the most part (besides the occasional stereotype). Now I hope you have a good day.
I think what you're trying to say if you don't want a "gay character" you want a "character who is gay". The issue with a lot of Disney's portrayals is that they advertise it as something gay, rather than something interesting- why? Because its for the money. Obviously there's nothing wrong with using words like: gay, trans, etc to hook in a certain audience to your work, but you need to have more than that.
Disney doesn't do that, they just throw gay and trans at the wall and hope it sticks.
@@gemstone108How did you somehow reach that hard?
love how TOH just goes for it not caring if its for money or not, this was just because of Dana's own interests, which made me appreciate the representation way more. The ship itself was really good, fleshed out a good way whilst also not dragging on for a while. Not only that, but its just a really good fvcking show nonetheless.
Yes I love Raeda
Andi Mack did a great job with gay representation
ooga ooga i like the same gender that i am. seriously, whats the deal with people hating us? i love the way you love, i live the way you live, i just so happen to like the same gender.
It's not you, it's literally them. Some people are just ignorant and lack empathy.
I personally support people from the LGBTQ+ community with all my heart.
@@vickname136 me too
This is the comment,that turned my sadness,into madness
12:43 “ARMCHOPPING IS NOT A LOVELANGUAGE!!” Genuinely my favorite scene in the movie 😭🤣
Fr!!
I made an animated movie about Gay Furries because Disney was too afraid to do so.
I like that idea
i remember you from star fox twt!
also, that's very cool.
That would just be Beaststars! Lol
@@WaterMeLoan64 that ain’t sigma
@@kawanxros oh hai! :3
"Strange World" was such a goddamn disappointment. I was like "A Disney film? With a gay couple! I have to see that!" and then in the first minutes of the movie Ethan's father was walking around that field or something and I was like "Wow, an average-looking basic dude with a beard as a gay character in a Disney film? And he and his partner will probably interact a lot throughout the plot? Awesome!" ....well, no, of course it had to be his son with longer hair purple clothes and jewlery. And he had what? 4 minutes of screen time with the guy he liked and 1 minute of screen time talking about him? Obviously there is nothing wrong with either of the types of people and styles I've mentioned - gay or not - but seriously Disney? Could this "representation" be more high-stereotype and low-effort?
Ethan had no discernible stereotypes about him? He didn’t have purple hair and cornrows are a common hairstyle among both gay and straight black men. If anything, his love interest had more “visual” stereotypes but even then. All I got from Ethan was that he liked card games, secretly didn’t want to work on the farm, and cared about the enviroment
Looks at the owl house and starts crying
The Walt Disney Company: scared by the Christian Right for even thinking about helping gay people since 1996. (And if you've seen that video from Defunctland, even before 1996.)
as an open lgbt person, i really hate the way people and especially disney represents us, sure, there is some GREAT cinema (not disney) that has good lgbt representation, but i honestly feel so badly represented by a TON of movies and shows, like okay disney, call a character a certain sexuality and don't give any background info? slap a $20,000,000 dollar budget on that, and call it a say
If your gonna support LGBT at least show the movies that have LGBTQ
@@naetench5607i 100% agree and i also support lgbt community and repesantation ❤🏳️🌈✊