I was waiting for some discussion about Indonesia. Thanks. Malaysia too. I note that our neighbors are not nearly so Russophobic or as Israel-psychophantic as Australia, and our capacity to interfere ("contribute") in far away conflicts without local consequences has depended upon us being big and our neighbors being small. The time is coming when having sensitive allegiences radically out of step with our neighbors will become a problem.
We aren't buying subs for the defense of Australia against our enemies, we are buying subs for the forward posture for the United States against it's rivals. We got ripped pure and simple.
The concerns over Australia's autonomy would make more sense to me if Australia had exercised that autonomy at any time. We do not have strategic autonomy at present, so what autonomy is there to lose?
I have only listened to about 10 minutes of this chat, I'm not really a fan of aukus but what i herd did not impress me. Saying there was a great risk we may not have the sailors that were trained well enough to operate them, that it could easy take the uk more than 10 years to go from cutting steel to a commissioned boat, well the lead boat of the astute class took 9. Also they said we would have 8 boats, I'm not sure this is correct as i thought the first 2 were about 10 years old when we get them and they have a lifespan of 35 years so they will be ready to be decommissioned close to the time the last 2 uk/aust boats are being built. So the last virginia wiil be new and add the 5 uk boat makes 6. Maybe the rest of the chat has more substance to it.
Under wartime conditions, the AUKUS boats could be built in mere months. Lead times and cost overruns are an artifact of inefficiencies and corruption in the defence industry and the political system.
Since Australia recognised d one china policy, any conflict between d Mainland n Taiwan is, under UN charter, an internal affair. So why is Australia talking about potentially coming to assist US defend Taiwan. Seems like Australia doesn't have any real principle n doesn't respect d sovereignty of nations...or only selectively.
1:13:00 About India dominating south Asia, what are you reasons? I do not see US giving up its hegemony in South Asia just as East Asia. US will dominate south Asia for a long time.
Soe thoughts... Vastly increase $ enagement in our Asiapacific region ..aid, work/skills cultural and sport, dipolomacy trade tourism, education spondotship/scholsrships, targetted migration, encourage/participate/lead regional forums Listen to our neighbours concerns and react respectfully promply and actively...seek and foster engagement and mutual understanding. Sell multicultural multi religious welcoming Australia Distance us from America and learn to play the middle power balance game for win win outcomes for all
I was waiting for some discussion about Indonesia. Thanks. Malaysia too. I note that our neighbors are not nearly so Russophobic or as Israel-psychophantic as Australia, and our capacity to interfere ("contribute") in far away conflicts without local consequences has depended upon us being big and our neighbors being small. The time is coming when having sensitive allegiences radically out of step with our neighbors will become a problem.
We aren't buying subs for the defense of Australia against our enemies, we are buying subs for the forward posture for the United States against it's rivals. We got ripped pure and simple.
Paul Keatings view and experience explains the situation much clearer than these ignorant amateurs.
The concerns over Australia's autonomy would make more sense to me if Australia had exercised that autonomy at any time.
We do not have strategic autonomy at present, so what autonomy is there to lose?
1:18:00
I agree with Hugh on Indonesia. Australia should join ASEAN.
We were a member of ASEAN, Paul Keating set it up in the 90s.
I have only listened to about 10 minutes of this chat, I'm not really a fan of aukus but what i herd did not impress me. Saying there was a great risk we may not have the sailors that were trained well enough to operate them, that it could easy take the uk more than 10 years to go from cutting steel to a commissioned boat, well the lead boat of the astute class took 9. Also they said we would have 8 boats, I'm not sure this is correct as i thought the first 2 were about 10 years old when we get them and they have a lifespan of 35 years so they will be ready to be decommissioned close to the time the last 2 uk/aust boats are being built. So the last virginia wiil be new and add the 5 uk boat makes 6. Maybe the rest of the chat has more substance to it.
Under wartime conditions, the AUKUS boats could be built in mere months. Lead times and cost overruns are an artifact of inefficiencies and corruption in the defence industry and the political system.
Since Australia recognised d one china policy, any conflict between d Mainland n Taiwan is, under UN charter, an internal affair. So why is Australia talking about potentially coming to assist US defend Taiwan.
Seems like Australia doesn't have any real principle n doesn't respect d sovereignty of nations...or only selectively.
1:13:00
About India dominating south Asia, what are you reasons?
I do not see US giving up its hegemony in South Asia just as East Asia. US will dominate south Asia for a long time.
yeah, buy those nuclear sub that US want you to buy😂
Soe thoughts...
Vastly increase $ enagement in our Asiapacific region ..aid, work/skills cultural and sport, dipolomacy trade tourism, education spondotship/scholsrships, targetted migration, encourage/participate/lead regional forums
Listen to our neighbours concerns and react respectfully promply and actively...seek and foster engagement and mutual understanding.
Sell multicultural multi religious welcoming Australia
Distance us from America and learn to play the middle power balance game for win win outcomes for all