I hope that there is a Governing Body member now that will be another Raymond Franz. I hope that he gathers as much information as he can and informs everyone. It's not impossible
Sadly, their current process of selecting GB members from the Helpers allows them to vet these prospective picks over years- to see how much of a company man they are. Franz had been a missionary and traveling overseer for decades but primarily in foreign fields. He wasnt a known quantity when he was appointed to the GB, and specifically the writing committee. I imagine they saw him as a younger version of Fred Franz. And indeed, as the primary writer of the Aid book, it seemed he was a perfect choice. No one knew what a man of conscience he was, nor factored in that the way reality clashed with how he imagined the GB worked and were led by god would be so different. It is telling that many of those who are now appointed proved themselves company men and already willing to do anything to protect the organization by working in the service or correspondence departments. Being willing to live with the knowledge of how bad things are and not caring is a good way to climb the ladder. They learned their lesson with Franz. That whole given ones/GB helper arrangement in 92 was wickedly ingenius in that way.
It must be really strange to be a jw in non-English speaking countries. Every video you see of your leaders is subtitled or overdubbed by people who aren't your ethnicity. It would be equivalent of me dedicating my life to a Chinese organization from reading subtitles of 8 Chinese men. It's just really strange to me.
@Miss Sugarbaker It is goofy depiction considering where the religion originated. If anything, they'd have dark skin, dark eyes and dark hair. I've always thought the Ewan McGregor Jedi-esque Jesus depiction was whack, even as a kid. Those bearded white dudes looking down from the clouds must be a real wtf for black folks as well as women.
Exactly, I was born in this cult in France, but I was so used to the subtitled videos that I wouldn't pay attention to that, it was "normal" to me. Indeed, it hit me a few times that Jehovah chose random English speaking men to represent him, while all the stories in the Bible take place in the Middle East....The fact that everybody was white, even Jesus and the angels wasn't a problem to me until I grew up. I was too brainwashed to notice that. But now that I'm 30, I wonder why my parents still believe in these 7.5 white men (Sam herd seems mixed).
@Miss Sugarbaker I remember I used to ask my dad why there wasn't any black angels in some of the literature. That was leteratute from the 70's that I'm talking about. I think a lot has changed now. He always replied: "Maybe we should write a letter to the watchtower asking them that". I imagine, he didnt know what to say to that.
Steven Lett is using his body language , mostly his face, and you can see his body catch up when he does his " little march". The the raised eyebrows are the effect of him "trying to convince" the audience. The way he contorts his mouth is him using facial body language to show concern & incite fear), or severity, or surprise etc. . Then there's the tongue action. That's telling. I would love to see a body language expert give their assessment of these GB members!!!
@Stefan Listevyios but wouldn't it be strapping?!! I've done it myself using certain videos with those fools comparing to professionals body language explanations but I'd pay $$ to hear a true pro dig into them!
My great grandmother was a JW and so was my Gram and my dad became one around 1974 when i was just a little guy. I remember my dad getting baptized. It took me a long time to shake off this religion. I didn't fully leave until my late 30's after a mental breakdown. it literally took a mental breakdown for me to leave.
48:50 Stewart - "And do you see yourselves as Jehovah God's spokespeople on Earth?" Geoffrey Jackson - "Ahhh, that I think would seem to be quite presumptuous to, to say that uh, we are the only spokesperson that God is using." Can you imagine when Pontious Pilate asked Jesus, "Are you the King of the Jews?" that Jesus would've answered, "Ahhh, that I think would seem quite presumptuous for me to say."?
About Sam Herd: It reminded me of the quote: "When education isn't liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor", from Paulo Freire, acclaimed brazilian pedagogue, in "Pedagogy of the oppressed". Also from him, (I think his work can be beautifully applied to JWs): "The oppressed, having internalized the image of the oppressor and adopted his guidelines, are fearful of freedom.”
Annemarie Frank, ahhhh yes! Paulo Freire! I was studying this book in grad school, while a witness and thought of the organization was very similar to what Freire discussed in Pedagogy of the Oppressed!
@@ghiajohnson1547 absolutely! It's a recurring theme! And btw, Paulo Freire is profoundly hated by those who seek power with no benefit to give (incompetent politicians, big corporations et cetera...) ;-)
i have never met a jw, nor am I one. still, through the atheist community (sth like mr atheist -> gen modified skeptic -> telltale) I ended up here and I am religiously watching every video. sooo interesting and the vids are sooo good
@@kipmic1 be glad you're not still stuck in the lifestyle and surrounded by it...it sucks! Funnily enough I got into the atheist circle in the opposite way, I found cedars and then telltale which led on to genetically modified sceptic and then on to the atheist experience. Opposite but still difficult journeys towards truth and rationality.
Yeah, it took me a long time to come around to atheism, but after watching the atheist experience religiously for the last year has made my life a lot better. I was born and raised a JW and at twenty four I bolted, because I just couldn't stand it anymore...Joined the Navy, had a twenty two year career and I thank "Dog" ! it was the best decision I ever made, but still had some mental hang ups until stumbling upon all this great exjw videos.
Mihoma, I'm also not a JW, but Lloyd has a wonderful way of discussing content and explaining logic and reasoning in relation to religious background. I love these videos!
The more we see the governing body members, the more we see how proud they are. Jesus' disciples were always warned about being proud, thinking that they were higher than each other, etc. I get sick when my mom talks about how the Watchtower magazine is so truthful, etc. However, at least she won't shun me.
@@margusneejr5564 It's so disgusting they shun. I've watched many videos of how ex JWs have coped with the shunning and their experiences of the stupidity of it. I feel bad for you. I think that my dad, who was never a JW, influenced mom, me and my sister in a good way. He took us to the Caribbean for 4 years when I was young, we've traveled to Brazil in 1970, and my dad's friends were not JWs. So I'm grateful that he had a big influence on us too. My sister talks to disfellowshipped JWs. You are a newby ex JW, so go through your grieving, and anger, and then you can move on with making new friends. You now have the time to figure out real truth. I still love God and Jesus and believe in the paradise. I know that the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse is still waiting fulfillment. Keep your head up. You will come out of this much happier despite your family shunning you. It hurts big time though. I think of the Boreans in Paul's day who researched what he said. And they must have looked at information that wasn't put out by the 'congregations.' So it is with the JWs. They only do research from what the stupid, fake governing body spew out. It's when you open your eyes and heart to really want the truth, then you see it. I pray for others to get out before it's too late. You are loved by many others who have left that demonic religion, including me. You are my brother.
I keep hearing about the service department Bethel. Service department to me are electricians or IT professionals. Can someone tell me what the function is of the service department at Watchtower?
I'm curious about Gary Breaux's history. Has anyone looked into that? He was a close friend of my dad's when they were kids. They lived in Sulphur Louisiana and went to the huge convention at Yankee Stadium with his parents and my dad's parents in the 50's.
Jackson's quote is a sly way of saying no, but technically, he isn't saying no. Because even though "it would seem to be presumptuous" --is not a complete denial. Indeed he could be saying cryptically that Worldly people will find it presumptuous.
Dear Abigail Parker, When I heard Jackson say this on the Witness stand I immediately resented that he didn’t answer with a straightforward “yes” or “no”. What I realized upon reflection is that by not forcefully preaching to the ARC that the GB was indeed God’s only channel of communication he was tacitly confirming that in fact the GB was full of horsepucky.
Dear Abigail Parker, I am not now nor have ever been a Jehova’s Witness. Actually I knew little about the cult during my working years except that they refused all invitations to come to my church whenever they knocked on my door. After I retired 7 years ago I became more interested in them when a woman at my senior center began shunning me and I began to investigate the cult to try to discover the problem. At the same time a nephew gifted me with an iPad and I started to research anything and everything. Of course I eventually stumbled upon the ARC when it came into being. I found both Angus Stewart and Peter McClellan to be extremely educated about the WTB&TS and extremely well prepared in their questioning. It was fascinating to watch. It was fortuitous that Geoffrey Jackson was in Australia at that time and was able to be subpoenaed. I have become much more sympathetic to individual jws and greet them politely with a “Jesus loves you”. Some get annoyed and respond with a gruff “Have a good day, sir.” while a few will say “And Jehova loves me too!” and yet others will smile and say “Thank you.” None return the greeting. If some get too pushy with their literature I just ask if they can get me a copy of the “Shepherd the Flock of God” publication.
@@georgesotiroff5080 I took your words "What I realized upon reflection is that by not forcefully preaching to the ARC that the GB was indeed God’s only channel of communication he was tacitly confirming that in fact the GB was full of horsepucky." to mean you once thought they were. Or at least open to the possibility.
Starting and ending song is "Not Forever - Martin Hall feat. Dinah Smith" and starting-ending song in Watchtower in focus videos is "Aldenmark Niklasson - Falling Apart".
And that classmate of Ken Cook was one of my best friends, the best man at my wedding, and fellow pioneer and elder in a congregation I served in before I went to MTS.
I so appreciate the humor Jay brought to this! I’ve been cracking up through the whole video! This was fun. And these governing body members are such egomaniacs! I am confounded at how they elicit so much adoration.
Someone mentioned that Lett’s parents were deaf so he grew up communicating with facial expressions with his parents. Still creepy though , I can’t stand it 😱 though I’m wondering if that’s true at all if you guys haven’t found it out.
Rakel Macc Blue Envelope presented his bio on Lett-the part that I found most intriguing is footage of Mr Lett during an interview in which he spoke fairly normally-minus the “rubber face” and over-the-top voice inflection. Check it out. In a word: creepy. Lett appears as though he is channeling something bizarre. 😱
Nah, he didn't always do that crazy stuff. I think he started that once he woke up and now knows he's deceiving people. Like a guilty conscience reaction.
Okay I have a question about the male female thing. So there can be female annointed according to the org. But in herds opinion females are literally only on this earth to serve men. My question is though, those female annointed will one day end up in heaven serving "alongside" jesus and the other anointed, so does that not mean they're serving equally with the men? Does that add up? I dont know, just seems odd to me
I am aware of bethelites that collected social security in bethel. Maybe some dont take the vow of poverty if they get military/government pension. I cant ask them anymore as they know im out otherwise i would ask... because i know it was over 2k a month of social security. Interesting to think about maybe cliff or jordan know
Lloyd, having Jay was an inspired choice. He certainly added some levity to this otherwise bland subject matter. Phil is crushing the research he does. Very good discussion.
So are yu saying Jesus was circumcision by John - but show he had his father (god) favour Therefore at this age is right - no children should be baptism - what does the bible say Plus Jesus had a trade and was not poor When he was born ? What does the bible say?
When I was just baptised I went to Sydney bethel when it was being constructed. I thought it was gods house. I was verbally dressed down daily by the elder tradesman overseeing my work. At night many brothers went to the city bars and drank heavily listening to music. I couldn’t get out of there quick enough. I saw nothing that showed any of gods blessing. To me it was just another construction site, sure no swearing but that was about it.
I'm sure there are many urban myths in circulation. I prefer the most obvious explanation: that this is a platform persona he's developed over many years.
Shouldn’t they have some guidance or qualifications guidelines in the org regarding self-appointment for anointed 144,000? Or is it just based on each ones levels of self esteem?
Hey I have a question to Lloyd looking for it for a family member who is still in the org and said to me that GB are only humans and they will make mistakes... I’m looking for watchtower which says that GB is the only source and is unmistaken as I know in recent publications they have said that they make mistakes... hope someone can help
Let's see...I made honor roll most of the time; I was Student of the Month twice; one semester in high school, I had a 100% average in biology AND economics; I made Dean's List my first quarter in college; I was part of Psi Chi, International Undergraduate Honors Society in Psychology; and I was part of Chi Sigma Iota, Honors Society for Master's students in counseling. Geoff, I think I've got you beat. buddy!😁
Hearing kens story from you is so crazy. Everything sounds about right as well I’m trying to remember how he told me but at this point it was about 3 years ago maybe that I saw him last before he went to Israel to preach and what have you with his wife then sometime later we found out he became a member of the governing body. He was in wall kill for a while and he went to Poughkeepsie central with me for years of course I was always a shitty witness so Jaime and him would take out me and my parents to lunch and we’d hang out with him. He was always rather dull his wife was a bit more exciting
Great video- Jay is really funny! I'm not an ex-witness but fascinated by the culture and I've been watching this channel for a while, mainly the critiques of JW dramatizations. I know a lot about the culture and shunning, but not the governing body and structure. I'm excited to look into what happened Jackson. I'm planning on reading 'Crisis of Conscience' next. Still have many videos of Lloyd's to get through.
So Kenneth Cook is from my area. South central Pennsylvania. I never knew that. But I left before he was put on the GB. South Central PA is also a hotspot for JW child abuse.
I hated Pioneering, but it seemed the lesser of two evils at the time. 90 hours knocking on doors, or having even MORE rules 24/7/365 at Bethel as I was getting the pressure as a senior. I held my nose and opted to regular pioneer in 1996 right after HS.
I never cease to be amazed at how much rubbish we bought when I was a JW and sadly my family continue to believe. The number of anointed was meant to filled back in rutherford’s day. God is said to have millions of angels directing his organisation and yet he appoints these 8 clowns, it is beyond belief. So pleased I am out if this madness. Sure I’ve lost most of my family but I live in hope they may one day get out, one day they will tire of the broken promises, misunderstood beliefs and madness. The light getting brighter story can only last so long. I watch them all getting older, cutting me off cause I’m apostate. I can’t lie to them, this religion is mad. It destroys families, trust me I’ve seen it happen first hand.
45:35 OMG Jay made me laugh how when it came to speaking to the ARC, he was like yeah yeah I'm just a simple person LOL, but when he's in Bethel his big head doesn't fit since he thinks so highly of himself with the other 7 big heads.
I was born into it. I will say that one of the things I take from being a JW is that it taught me to love my brothers, and sisters of every background. I wish we could incorporate that out in the world without religion part of it. 😔
I loved the preaching...I always had lots of Bible studies because I love teaching how to understand the Bible, not using the publications as much. I have always said I wasn’t there to convert but to help them come to a better understanding of Jesus promise. But I was always a running target , being disciplined by the brothers for arrogance and other outrageous lies. I would cry and try to tell them they are mistaken but it just got me ban from answering and working with people in the service. I tried 11 different congregations hoping to get treated differently 😢
Not to change the subject or anything, but does anyone know of a person by the name of Kimberly Sherry Campbell? Apparently she's an exJW who is also an energy healer and helping those who wake up from Watchtower? Found her on Facebook and she's sharing her views on vaccines especially one for the pandemic. Just curious. Thank you for your time.
There’s some preliminary research being done on a vaccine for Covid 19 but they don’t have one yet. Pandasthumb has a blog post on the genetics of the virus and how it’s evolving . The post is a few days old so it’s not at the top . There some biologists who comment on the blog .
@@dancingnature I understand that it's a long ways away from being complete. I was wondering if there was anything about this woman who's going around and being an energy healer and was a JW. Sounds like quite the quantum leap to be sure.
RUclips banned Lloyd's channel for making livestreams for 2 months. So if he does Watchtower in focus, he makes it in another platform and later uploads it to youtube.
I wonder how they are handling “social distancing” and dealing with the Virus in general at Bethel...at Watchtower HQ.....anyone know anything about this? As always, thank you for your activism. 🤔🇨🇺🇺🇸
I’m pretty sure it’s a letter you sign when you go to bethel to protect them from legal problems. It basically says you’re okay with getting paid 100 a month
GALATIONS 3:27-28. ( GALATIANS 4:6) (ROMANS 8:15) ( MARK 14:32-36) I AM ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ANOINTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. THE SPIRIT IN ME CRIES ABBA FATHER! THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN MALE OR FEMALES BEING ANOINTED OF GOD. I LOVE YOU ALL.
Those quotes that you commented says that the anointed spirit is in all the christians, instead of is in only a specific class. This eliticism of the WT is blasfemous and anti-biblical.
Lloyd- you should have stayed in. You would have been a fantastic GB member and an even better ex GB atheist activist. There’s at least a million subscribers just there.
Congratulations on staying alive til '75 everyone.
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They meant 2075... obviously!
Ruthe Phoenix There’s a chance that I live until 2075... does that count?
If only WT had access to nukes back then, this would be the new system🤣
I hope that there is a Governing Body member now that will be another Raymond Franz. I hope that he gathers as much information as he can and informs everyone. It's not impossible
G Bunting Can’t see any of the current Body doing that, but maybe one of the helpers?
Amen
That would be great. I hope to see that in my lifetime.
I love Raymond Franz.
A Gem out of a wasteland full of coal.
Sadly, their current process of selecting GB members from the Helpers allows them to vet these prospective picks over years- to see how much of a company man they are.
Franz had been a missionary and traveling overseer for decades but primarily in foreign fields. He wasnt a known quantity when he was appointed to the GB, and specifically the writing committee. I imagine they saw him as a younger version of Fred Franz. And indeed, as the primary writer of the Aid book, it seemed he was a perfect choice.
No one knew what a man of conscience he was, nor factored in that the way reality clashed with how he imagined the GB worked and were led by god would be so different.
It is telling that many of those who are now appointed proved themselves company men and already willing to do anything to protect the organization by working in the service or correspondence departments. Being willing to live with the knowledge of how bad things are and not caring is a good way to climb the ladder.
They learned their lesson with Franz. That whole given ones/GB helper arrangement in 92 was wickedly ingenius in that way.
It must be really strange to be a jw in non-English speaking countries. Every video you see of your leaders is subtitled or overdubbed by people who aren't your ethnicity. It would be equivalent of me dedicating my life to a Chinese organization from reading subtitles of 8 Chinese men. It's just really strange to me.
Wow.. Insightful observation. I never considered this, but it's nuts.
@Miss Sugarbaker It is goofy depiction considering where the religion originated. If anything, they'd have dark skin, dark eyes and dark hair. I've always thought the Ewan McGregor Jedi-esque Jesus depiction was whack, even as a kid. Those bearded white dudes looking down from the clouds must be a real wtf for black folks as well as women.
@Miss Sugarbaker But he was middle eastern anyways..
Exactly, I was born in this cult in France, but I was so used to the subtitled videos that I wouldn't pay attention to that, it was "normal" to me. Indeed, it hit me a few times that Jehovah chose random English speaking men to represent him, while all the stories in the Bible take place in the Middle East....The fact that everybody was white, even Jesus and the angels wasn't a problem to me until I grew up. I was too brainwashed to notice that. But now that I'm 30, I wonder why my parents still believe in these 7.5 white men (Sam herd seems mixed).
@Miss Sugarbaker I remember I used to ask my dad why there wasn't any black angels in some of the literature. That was leteratute from the 70's that I'm talking about. I think a lot has changed now. He always replied: "Maybe we should write a letter to the watchtower asking them that". I imagine, he didnt know what to say to that.
If what Sam herd says verges on homosexuality, then does men shaving off their beards (god given facial hair) verge on homosexuality?
Or circumcision?
LOL Good one!
Absolutely!!! Every man must be metrosexual hahaha but that 80s mustache is just fine...lol
Steven Lett is using his body language , mostly his face, and you can see his body catch up when he does his " little march". The the raised eyebrows are the effect of him "trying to convince" the audience. The way he contorts his mouth is him using facial body language to show concern & incite fear), or severity, or surprise etc. . Then there's the tongue action. That's telling.
I would love to see a body language expert give their assessment of these GB members!!!
That march looks like he needs to go to pee. 😆
Yes! Lloyd should do video with body language expert.
@@margusneejr5564 I wish someone would!!
@Stefan Listevyios but wouldn't it be strapping?!! I've done it myself using certain videos with those fools comparing to professionals body language explanations but I'd pay $$ to hear a true pro dig into them!
me too. I have ask one if she would do them
A groupf self appointed, masoganistic, narsissistic, ego maniacs. They feature all cardinal narssisistic traits
They are so disgusting! Only other people make mistakes but not them (governing body).
My great grandmother was a JW and so was my Gram and my dad became one around 1974 when i was just a little guy. I remember my dad getting baptized. It took me a long time to shake off this religion. I didn't fully leave until my late 30's after a mental breakdown. it literally took a mental breakdown for me to leave.
my dad had a mental breakdown and had a hallucination of a convo with jehovah himself, that armageddon was coming, and is STILL in JW.
Absolutely loving this one-my 3 favorite apostates! Thanks so much, guys!! 👍
Governing Body: We're anointed
Me: Prove it
Governing Body: How do I prove a tingly feeling in my stomach?
It's incomprehensible says tight pants tony...kkk
Governing Body: just believe us!
Look it says so on this peice of paper I signed my name on, here, here and here.
Cardboard Box your heart is treacherous but ours are not
48:50 Stewart - "And do you see yourselves as Jehovah God's spokespeople on Earth?"
Geoffrey Jackson - "Ahhh, that I think would seem to be quite presumptuous to, to say that uh, we are the only spokesperson that God is using."
Can you imagine when Pontious Pilate asked Jesus, "Are you the King of the Jews?" that Jesus would've answered, "Ahhh, that I think would seem quite presumptuous for me to say."?
But not so presumptuous when they speak to jws. Disgusting hypocrisy!
Yup... as imitators of Jesus and being Christ's brothers at that-Geoffrey J should've responded like Jesus: “You yourself said it.” 😂 😂
I noticed Sam Herd became a member of Governing Body, same year we had a black president.
About Sam Herd: It reminded me of the quote: "When education isn't liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor", from Paulo Freire, acclaimed brazilian pedagogue, in "Pedagogy of the oppressed". Also from him, (I think his work can be beautifully applied to JWs): "The oppressed, having internalized the image of the oppressor and adopted his guidelines, are fearful of freedom.”
Annemarie Frank, ahhhh yes! Paulo Freire! I was studying this book in grad school, while a witness and thought of the organization was very similar to what Freire discussed in Pedagogy of the Oppressed!
@@ghiajohnson1547 absolutely! It's a recurring theme! And btw, Paulo Freire is profoundly hated by those who seek power with no benefit to give (incompetent politicians, big corporations et cetera...) ;-)
@@ghiajohnson1547 And that's why governing body doesn't want Jehovah's witnesses to get higher education.
i have never met a jw, nor am I one. still, through the atheist community (sth like mr atheist -> gen modified skeptic -> telltale) I ended up here and I am religiously watching every video. sooo interesting and the vids are sooo good
Be glad you haven't lived that lifestyle, it sucks.
@@kipmic1 be glad you're not still stuck in the lifestyle and surrounded by it...it sucks! Funnily enough I got into the atheist circle in the opposite way, I found cedars and then telltale which led on to genetically modified sceptic and then on to the atheist experience. Opposite but still difficult journeys towards truth and rationality.
We are happy you find the channel interesting
Yeah, it took me a long time to come around to atheism, but after watching the atheist experience religiously for the last year has made my life a lot better. I was born and raised a JW and at twenty four I bolted, because I just couldn't stand it anymore...Joined the Navy, had a twenty two year career and I thank "Dog" ! it was the best decision I ever made, but still had some mental hang ups until stumbling upon all this great exjw videos.
Mihoma, I'm also not a JW, but Lloyd has a wonderful way of discussing content and explaining logic and reasoning in relation to religious background. I love these videos!
What do they mean by "annointed"? By who?
Would be interesting to see who might be next in line to fill some of these spots when the need arises...
The more we see the governing body members, the more we see how proud they are. Jesus' disciples were always warned about being proud, thinking that they were higher than each other, etc. I get sick when my mom talks about how the Watchtower magazine is so truthful, etc. However, at least she won't shun me.
Lucky you. I am former jw since this year's february 24th and all my 7 jw family members are now shunning me.
Well it's obvious that rules don't apply to governing body members. BUT they are humble. And they are not leaders, they are just taking the lead. 🤣
@@margusneejr5564 It's so disgusting they shun. I've watched many videos of how ex JWs have coped with the shunning and their experiences of the stupidity of it. I feel bad for you. I think that my dad, who was never a JW, influenced mom, me and my sister in a good way. He took us to the Caribbean for 4 years when I was young, we've traveled to Brazil in 1970, and my dad's friends were not JWs. So I'm grateful that he had a big influence on us too. My sister talks to disfellowshipped JWs.
You are a newby ex JW, so go through your grieving, and anger, and then you can move on with making new friends. You now have the time to figure out real truth. I still love God and Jesus and believe in the paradise. I know that the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse is still waiting fulfillment. Keep your head up. You will come out of this much happier despite your family shunning you. It hurts big time though.
I think of the Boreans in Paul's day who researched what he said. And they must have looked at information that wasn't put out by the 'congregations.' So it is with the JWs. They only do research from what the stupid, fake governing body spew out. It's when you open your eyes and heart to really want the truth, then you see it. I pray for others to get out before it's too late.
You are loved by many others who have left that demonic religion, including me. You are my brother.
@@margusneejr5564 Yup. What nonsense eh. They are demonic progeny.
Nice to see ex-jw activists with their own RUclips channel come together. You don’t have to be in the org to have love peace and unity.
Amen!
I keep hearing about the service department Bethel. Service department to me are electricians or IT professionals. Can someone tell me what the function is of the service department at Watchtower?
Glad you got Phil and Jay on
I'm curious about Gary Breaux's history. Has anyone looked into that? He was a close friend of my dad's when they were kids. They lived in Sulphur Louisiana and went to the huge convention at Yankee Stadium with his parents and my dad's parents in the 50's.
Phil what teeth whitening kit do you use? Holy Jesus that’s some godly whites 😂
Why are they called helpers and not assistants?
Each Governing member is assigned a personal assistant who pretty much goes everywhere with them. So maybe thats why, but I don't know
Same here. I always try to focus on Lloyd speaking but that framed picture of Stephen Lett is totally distracting me and I can‘t help looking at it 🤣
I'm getting better on this. 😆
Jackson's quote is a sly way of saying no, but technically, he isn't saying no. Because even though "it would seem to be presumptuous" --is not a complete denial. Indeed he could be saying cryptically that Worldly people will find it presumptuous.
Dear Abigail Parker,
When I heard Jackson say this on the Witness stand I immediately resented that he didn’t answer with a straightforward “yes” or “no”. What I realized upon reflection is that by not forcefully preaching to the ARC that the GB was indeed God’s only channel of communication he was tacitly confirming that in fact the GB was full of horsepucky.
@@georgesotiroff5080 were you a believing JW at the time?
Dear Abigail Parker,
I am not now nor have ever been a Jehova’s Witness. Actually I knew little about the cult during my working years except that they refused all invitations to come to my church whenever they knocked on my door. After I retired 7 years ago I became more interested in them when a woman at my senior center began shunning me and I began to investigate the cult to try to discover the problem. At the same time a nephew gifted me with an iPad and I started to research anything and everything. Of course I eventually stumbled upon the ARC when it came into being. I found both Angus Stewart and Peter McClellan to be extremely educated about the WTB&TS and extremely well prepared in their questioning. It was fascinating to watch. It was fortuitous that Geoffrey Jackson was in Australia at that time and was able to be subpoenaed. I have become much more sympathetic to individual jws and greet them politely with a “Jesus loves you”. Some get annoyed and respond with a gruff “Have a good day, sir.” while a few will say “And Jehova loves me too!” and yet others will smile and say “Thank you.” None return the greeting. If some get too pushy with their literature I just ask if they can get me a copy of the “Shepherd the Flock of God” publication.
@@georgesotiroff5080 I took your words "What I realized upon reflection is that by not forcefully preaching to the ARC that the GB was indeed God’s only channel of communication he was tacitly confirming that in fact the GB was full of horsepucky." to mean you once thought they were. Or at least open to the possibility.
Dear Abigail Parker,
Yes, I can see that you certainly could understand it that way.
Does someone know the music of Lloyd's videos ?
Starting and ending song is "Not Forever - Martin Hall feat. Dinah Smith" and starting-ending song in Watchtower in focus videos is "Aldenmark Niklasson - Falling Apart".
@@margusneejr5564 thank you very much !
And that classmate of Ken Cook was one of my best friends, the best man at my wedding, and fellow pioneer and elder in a congregation I served in before I went to MTS.
Are you on reddit mate? I would love to read your story. You could drop your username.
Jiggy one sure, middle initial f, all one word
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Look at the adulation these gb men are getting. Not exactly the type of welcome Jesus received.
And that shows alot.
they now have a song singing praises to the governing body
Question?? Do the ones in the governing body think they are going to heaven as part of the 144,000??
I so appreciate the humor Jay brought to this! I’ve been cracking up through the whole video! This was fun.
And these governing body members are such egomaniacs! I am confounded at how they elicit so much adoration.
Vito Der Eine well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.
Interesting ... I found Jay the comedian very annoying.
I loved the dynamic all three of them have!
Jay MY MAN!!!
Jay is FuNnY ! ! I love the banter of these guys yuckin’ it up and goofin’ on the GB along with factual info.
Someone mentioned that Lett’s parents were deaf so he grew up communicating with facial expressions with his parents. Still creepy though , I can’t stand it 😱 though I’m wondering if that’s true at all if you guys haven’t found it out.
Rakel Macc Blue Envelope presented his bio on Lett-the part that I found most intriguing is footage of Mr Lett during an interview in which he spoke fairly normally-minus the “rubber face” and over-the-top voice inflection. Check it out. In a word: creepy. Lett appears as though he is channeling something bizarre. 😱
Nah, he didn't always do that crazy stuff. I think he started that once he woke up and now knows he's deceiving people. Like a guilty conscience reaction.
@@brucerobertson2466 lol. I agree.
Mitch Stevens I like that explanation best
Makunda Nanda his brother talks just fine so I reckon it’s not true. He’s just a bobble head.
Big thanks to all three of you for taking time to compile and present this material. These are just the facts, if one looks at them objectionaly.
Jw why are you are going to the dr if you do not beleive in education🦋🇫🇷🌈🌺
That is not true about them "not believing in education though"
So you want the A LIST..intresting, Very Interesting.
Please let us continue to grow in WISDOM.
We are, Mr. Cedars helps us to do so.
Jay got a new name for Herd, "Drop Top Sammy". 😆
I died 🤣😂🤣😂
Okay I have a question about the male female thing.
So there can be female annointed according to the org. But in herds opinion females are literally only on this earth to serve men.
My question is though, those female annointed will one day end up in heaven serving "alongside" jesus and the other anointed, so does that not mean they're serving equally with the men?
Does that add up? I dont know, just seems odd to me
It is odd but when you use good old spaghetti logic then you can say that in heaven you don't have gender.
Looking peng Lloyd. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Your take on issues is always professional and well researched.
Thank you for all you do.
Keep up the good work my brother.... Your like a savior to many 😇
I am aware of bethelites that collected social security in bethel. Maybe some dont take the vow of poverty if they get military/government pension.
I cant ask them anymore as they know im out otherwise i would ask... because i know it was over 2k a month of social security.
Interesting to think about maybe cliff or jordan know
Lloyd, having Jay was an inspired choice. He certainly added some levity to this otherwise bland subject matter. Phil is crushing the research he does. Very good discussion.
Jesus never baptized until he was 30 yrs old
So are yu saying Jesus was circumcision by John - but show he had his father (god) favour
Therefore at this age is right - no children should be baptism - what does the bible say
Plus Jesus had a trade and was not poor
When he was born ? What does the bible say?
Maybe Sam served in the army with Elvis!?
This looks like it'll be a good video the Crystal Clockworks team will enjoy watching this in the morning.
Stephen Lett is played so well by Andy Serkis.
Jaaaaaay! I get to watch 2 of my favorites at once... woohoo...
I did see this earlier and it was good. You had to of my favorite people who are very informative 😷♥️🌪️☕
When I was just baptised I went to Sydney bethel when it was being constructed. I thought it was gods house. I was verbally dressed down daily by the elder tradesman overseeing my work. At night many brothers went to the city bars and drank heavily listening to music. I couldn’t get out of there quick enough. I saw nothing that showed any of gods blessing. To me it was just another construction site, sure no swearing but that was about it.
I was told by my witness parents Stephen Lett has a background in sign language and that is why his mannerisms are so exaggerated.
I'm sure there are many urban myths in circulation. I prefer the most obvious explanation: that this is a platform persona he's developed over many years.
Thank you for your work guys!!! Really usefull for my own research
Shouldn’t they have some guidance or qualifications guidelines in the org regarding self-appointment for anointed 144,000? Or is it just based on each ones levels of self esteem?
It's pretty much how arrogant person is but there are always exceptions.
Can't wait!
Stephen lett looks like a discount emperor palpatine
and talks like he needs a laxative
Hey I have a question to Lloyd looking for it for a family member who is still in the org and said to me that GB are only humans and they will make mistakes... I’m looking for watchtower which says that GB is the only source and is unmistaken as I know in recent publications they have said that they make mistakes... hope someone can help
Its a clearly example of the orwellian doublethinking. This a modus operandi of the all cults.
Trust me as someone who's visited Queensland, Australia a few times Jackson would not have been baptised in a river the salties in there are vicious.
This was great! Very informative! When will part 2 be posted?
We aim to have it done by the end of the month!
8 governing body members in 2020. How many did they have in 2019
I wonder why Lett doesn't have the southern accent
🤗 Can‘t wait (drumroll on !) la la laaaa!
I pioneered for several years. My ex husband used to say I was living in “La La Land “ .
@Light in the Piazza
You want ridicule?
Think "over lapping generations "...
Please explain that from the Bible.
The joy in that introduction is infectious. Keep it up :D
when i was in the group. i was not allowed to keep even a goatee, or grow some extra hair. that did got under my nerves.
Yeah, that jw micro managing is not normal.
seems jesus has a beard and long hair
26:28-that's how the Manson Family recruited
1:07:09-you mean there are moments they look smart?
Ken Cook started in Wallkill and was assigned to the Milford Pennsylvania congregation. I was his roommate before he got married.
Let's see...I made honor roll most of the time; I was Student of the Month twice; one semester in high school, I had a 100% average in biology AND economics; I made Dean's List my first quarter in college; I was part of Psi Chi, International Undergraduate Honors Society in Psychology; and I was part of Chi Sigma Iota, Honors Society for Master's students in counseling. Geoff, I think I've got you beat. buddy!😁
Is Phil's Blue Envlp. channel named after Disfellowship Envlp?
Cool to see these new but familiar faces ^_^
Hearing kens story from you is so crazy. Everything sounds about right as well I’m trying to remember how he told me but at this point it was about 3 years ago maybe that I saw him last before he went to Israel to preach and what have you with his wife then sometime later we found out he became a member of the governing body. He was in wall kill for a while and he went to Poughkeepsie central with me for years of course I was always a shitty witness so Jaime and him would take out me and my parents to lunch and we’d hang out with him. He was always rather dull his wife was a bit more exciting
13:00 thoroughly enjoying this.
Great video- Jay is really funny! I'm not an ex-witness but fascinated by the culture and I've been watching this channel for a while, mainly the critiques of JW dramatizations. I know a lot about the culture and shunning, but not the governing body and structure. I'm excited to look into what happened Jackson. I'm planning on reading 'Crisis of Conscience' next. Still have many videos of Lloyd's to get through.
Sam Herd was our District Overseer back in the 1980s in Chicago..
And what he was like then?
I have been partaking 18 years. I preach and teach in all the earth to every race. No one can put GOD in a box
Who is John cedars?
So Kenneth Cook is from my area. South central Pennsylvania. I never knew that. But I left before he was put on the GB. South Central PA is also a hotspot for JW child abuse.
Greets from Austria. 1 hour drive to Gerrit Lösch's hometown
I hated Pioneering, but it seemed the lesser of two evils at the time. 90 hours knocking on doors, or having even MORE rules 24/7/365 at Bethel as I was getting the pressure as a senior. I held my nose and opted to regular pioneer in 1996 right after HS.
I never cease to be amazed at how much rubbish we bought when I was a JW and sadly my family continue to believe. The number of anointed was meant to filled back in rutherford’s day. God is said to have millions of angels directing his organisation and yet he appoints these 8 clowns, it is beyond belief. So pleased I am out if this madness. Sure I’ve lost most of my family but I live in hope they may one day get out, one day they will tire of the broken promises, misunderstood beliefs and madness. The light getting brighter story can only last so long. I watch them all getting older, cutting me off cause I’m apostate. I can’t lie to them, this religion is mad. It destroys families, trust me I’ve seen it happen first hand.
45:35 OMG Jay made me laugh how when it came to speaking to the ARC, he was like yeah yeah I'm just a simple person LOL, but when he's in Bethel his big head doesn't fit since he thinks so highly of himself with the other 7 big heads.
I was born into it. I will say that one of the things I take from being a JW is that it taught me to love my brothers, and sisters of every background. I wish we could incorporate that out in the world without religion part of it. 😔
I like to think that ex jws still have that bond
Kenneth Crook
Samuel Fraud
Geoffrey Wacko Jacko
Stephen Lett me hypnotize you with my freaky facial expressions
I always though that guy did weird stuff with his mouth. Glad I'm not the only one to notice it.
I'm just realizing how much Stephen Lett looks like Howdy Doody, especially in profile! LOL!
with no strings attached???
30:06 - Samuel Herd's speech about women.
That antmo jr. video from blue envelope was amazing.
I loved the preaching...I always had lots of Bible studies because I love teaching how to understand the Bible, not using the publications as much. I have always said I wasn’t there to convert but to help them come to a better understanding of Jesus promise. But I was always a running target , being disciplined by the brothers for arrogance and other outrageous lies. I would cry and try to tell them they are mistaken but it just got me ban from answering and working with people in the service. I tried 11 different congregations hoping to get treated differently 😢
I didn’t know all this details about the Lett-Family. Thank you for these insights.
Thanks for letting me hang out with a couple cool guys
The Blue Envelope ...missed your hat!😜😂🤣
Not to change the subject or anything, but does anyone know of a person by the name of Kimberly Sherry Campbell? Apparently she's an exJW who is also an energy healer and helping those who wake up from Watchtower? Found her on Facebook and she's sharing her views on vaccines especially one for the pandemic. Just curious.
Thank you for your time.
There’s some preliminary research being done on a vaccine for Covid 19 but they don’t have one yet. Pandasthumb has a blog post on the genetics of the virus and how it’s evolving . The post is a few days old so it’s not at the top . There some biologists who comment on the blog .
@@dancingnature I understand that it's a long ways away from being complete. I was wondering if there was anything about this woman who's going around and being an energy healer and was a JW. Sounds like quite the quantum leap to be sure.
Lloyd > when can we be expecting another Watch tower in focus > soon i hope ?.
RUclips banned Lloyd's channel for making livestreams for 2 months. So if he does Watchtower in focus, he makes it in another platform and later uploads it to youtube.
Lloyd, They published once that all GB helpers r NOT Annointed so they can take over...I mean "take the lead", after Great Tribulation...
can you do a video on why if a sister conducts a meeting she has to wear a hat or something on her head? Thank you.
I wonder how they are handling “social distancing” and dealing with the Virus in general at Bethel...at Watchtower HQ.....anyone know anything about this?
As always, thank you for your activism.
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I've never really heard of this 'vow of poverty'. Is there any physical evidence of this?
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I’m pretty sure it’s a letter you sign when you go to bethel to protect them from legal problems. It basically says you’re okay with getting paid 100 a month
Ex-co here. Was interesting background.
Jolly good show John Cedars, jolly good!
GALATIONS 3:27-28. ( GALATIANS 4:6) (ROMANS 8:15) ( MARK 14:32-36) I AM ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ANOINTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. THE SPIRIT IN ME CRIES ABBA FATHER! THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN MALE OR FEMALES BEING ANOINTED OF GOD. I LOVE YOU ALL.
How do you know that you're a anointed spirit?
Those quotes that you commented says that the anointed spirit is in all the christians, instead of is in only a specific class. This eliticism of the WT is blasfemous and anti-biblical.
Lloyd- you should have stayed in. You would have been a fantastic GB member and an even better ex GB atheist activist.
There’s at least a million subscribers just there.
At this stage in their lives, what could they do if they leave the Borg? Those “skills” are untransferable.
Cook= accountant yes but I find him down to earth and likable in a way. Maybe this is because I’m an accountant lollll
Jw you are not suppose to watch this,according to your beleive🦋🇫🇷🌈🇺🇸
"WHAT'S FOR DINNER, HONEY?!" 🤣😂
A published author of a book that few Tauvaluens might need to use... Watch out Hugh Hefner. ..
Stephen Lett should always be the one who introduces Tony Morris as the next speaker...just priceless 🤪🍷🍞
Those two jokers deserve each other. Lett's face and Morris's obsession with Armageddon.