The wand could still be from Salazar's tree (and if so, would it even need a core?) Branches naturally fall from trees all the time. That particular one can't be cut, but you can still pick up a stick from the ground...
Maybe the prophecy refers to generations of Dumbledores? A son cruelly banished - Percival Dumbledore who was sent to Azkaban. The despair of the daughter - Ariana Dumbledore who had to suffer a terrible muggle attack. Return, great avenger with wings from the water - Aurelius Dumbledore who didn't end up drowning because of the baby swap.
I'm beginning to think babies in the HPWW don't fare so well-- baby Harry, Baby, Neville Dumbledore Daughter, Young Severus, mugglebaby inFB2, drowned baby, switched baby-----
It did not seem like aberforth would 'Cruelly' banish his son. Seems like he wanted to love his son.. It must be the mother that sent credence away. A mother who would be ashamed to have a child with a dumbledore. I still want to know how a ship full of wizards sinks!
@QueenMushu I agree. I'm not sure of the age but I don't think it would matter much in a patriarchal family. I think it most likely to be an issue of status than age. Unless the child is part of aberforths goat issues and their is no family. Transfigure a goat into a wife. Lol
@@johnjohnon8767 we know their was a few at least. Those traveling with Credence and Corvis. Servents and family keeping in mind corvis comes from a well off family. The scene we get show very tight quarters, small cabins. Meaning that either the boat was full of wizards or no one could use magic the entire trip. Knowing how dangerous oceanic trips were at the time I doubt either family would send off these babies without someone to protect them.
It is sad that Irma Dugard half elf was chosen to transport Corvus because her magic was weak and, Kama wouldn’t be able to track her easily Since he was trying to kill him
other unanswered questions for the towel section: what was the deal with Jacob's assasination attempt, what is the magic used by Albus in the battle with Credence, what was Yusef's deal in the movie, why haven't we heard of the "great wizard leader" in the time of Potter? (unless that is just the confederation of wizards, like they mention once in the movie, but it's way more powerful in this story?). And an explanation in general of Albus's weird other dimension magic would be great ^^ keep it up guys! Can't wait for you guys to make more sense of this movie.
One theory I had with the creatures left out of the book is that he simply didnt know of certain beasts or didnt know enough about them to include them in that edition of the book. Most of the creatures in the book are also in his suit case, creatures he's actively studied and cared for. In Crimes of Grindelwald Tina and Newt talk about Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them as an already published book. Its also mentioned in Secrets of Dumbledore - on the train- when Lally compliments Newt by saying that Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them is required reading for all her students. Meaning the books been out long enough for it to be credible in schools. Newt meets and 'collects' more creatures in the next two movies. So it'd make sense that Newt just simply didnt have the information required to put these creatures in the original book, especially in regards to the quilin (aka the one that sounds like 'chillin'). this is clearly a very rare creature that hasn't been 'actively around' for awhile so even though its apparently rather important to wizarding culture, it was mostly myth until Newt found the one/s featured in SoD.
"What is the deal with Newt and Theseus?" Unlike You and Ben, there are siblings that like to tease each other, be mean to each other, provoke for the fun of it, There is nothing to unpack there... Just 2 brothers that love each other but also love to make each other .. At least that's the case where I come from! There is no BEEF!
Albus Dumbledore was a parselmouth, or at least that is implied in the sixth book, when he understands parseltounge in a memory, Credence's parseltounge probably comes from Aberforth.
I always thought that Albus learned to understand Parseltounge, since he was gifted with languages (it is mentioned in the books when Harry thinks about all the missed opportunities where he could have asked Dumbledore anything about himself).
I think the Newt/Theseus relationship doesn't need much explanation. Newt is a lot like Ron, overshadowed by the older sibling. Theseus also seems to look down on Newt because he won't join the ministry. This is why Newt resents him and not Tina, even if they have the same job. Tina supports Newt, and understands his love for creatures. She doesn't put him down for it, but try's to encourage him. Which is exactly why Newt supports Tina.
I make knife handles out of Snakewood one of the densest exotic woods. Native to South America and expensive, a 1"x1 1/2"x5" piece is around $36 and is uncommon as a zebra thigh bone cost less even after being stabilized under high pressure. Snakewood like most of the other extremely dense woods isn't stabilized.
Theseus and Newt just felt like typicsl brothers to me. Me and my brother don’t have any specific beef but we will be generally petty against each other until the other one is in trouble. Then we’re best buds. That’s just how it works
potential prophecy tie in: a son cruelly banished= the murdered qillin. Despair of the daughter= orphaned qillin. Return great avenger with wings from the water= newt being carried out of the waterfall area by his weird winged balloon beast
In the third film, Eulalie Hicks says that 'Fantastic Beasts' is one of the core textbooks for her students, perhaps this explains why the creatures in this film aren't in the book as the book has already been released?
I've been wonderind about Credence's ( by the way, Is "Aurelius" his real name after all?) mother... and I hope the answer confirms his possible parseltongue fracture, and partly justify Nagini's relationship with him, and we all want her back. I also want to see how she ends up living with Voldemort, and if there is some Corvus/snake Fable link to their story, even if we think Credence is not Corvus. That could have been an idea to play with in the magical circus, for example, in the second movie. I want this franchise to continue.
Nagini's not being in the movie was due to her being pregnant during the filming. Tina is barely in it for the same reason. Most likely, with the pandemic interrupting shooting schedules, things got mixed up and they decided to have the kids as everything was closed down, then suddenly filming was back on. Nagini will be back if there is another movie.
i don't remember any real world fable or mythos that could be with the corvus (crow) and a snake, but the Garuda and the Naga are basically an indian phoenix and a magical snake that can have many heads and look human. But that would have them turn into enemies or one be the cause of the death of the other. Maybe Nagini being indirectly guilty of Credence dying makes her transform faster? And a part if me actually would love that the mysterious mother is not a descendant of the slithering line, but a branch of the older families (There were other parseltounges in history older than Slithering) someone that actually opens other possibilities for stories.
I’m curious what the time frame will be for the next one. I feel it should be at least a few years; Queenie & Jacob have children (possibly at school) and Grindlewald is buying his time. I feel his next big move will be closer to WW2. I also feel the events happening at school with Tom Riddle will either be mentioned in conversation OR his actions are the reason Grindlewald makes another attempt at Dumbledore.
Question for SCB! Just watched Secrets of Dumbledore, and I think there *could* be an explanation as to why nobody has to say the killing curse. Maybe others have come up with this too. So, the Unforgivable Curses were established in early 1700s. But could jinxes have been placed on them gradually over time? Grindelwald clearly had to state "Crucio' when attacking Jacob, which you would think as powerful as he is with the Elder wand wouldn't have to do. But In other cases, the Killing Curse gets used without incantation. Perhaps shortly after Grindelwald's time and Voldemort, a Taboo (similar to what Voldemort does in the Second Wizarding War with his name) gets placed for all three of the Curses. Idk. It would help with the inconsistency between these films and the main HP Series. Thoughts?!
Those manticore or however it spelled could have just simple been babies or extremely new to life hints their look / form. The described form of them in the book could have been a full grown version hints why he was moving around slowly and acting nervous seemingly from these clips you have shown. In hopes that a full grown didn't show up / come out of wherever it could have been.
Not realated, but I think you (scb) should read the keeper of lost citys books if you haven't read them yet. They are very goog and I think they would de fitting for this channel.
Thesis wanted to force Newt to join the Aurors, to which Newt refused over and over. Newt then Idk how, was assigned to the Dept of Magical Creatures. I remember reading he hated it passed two laws then left the MoM.
If you go back to Movie 1 of FB he says he is ready to publish his book and intends to deliver it to Tina shortly thereafter. Perhaps in movies 2 and 3 he is encountering beasts he has not yet come across and as the book is already published........
Is the reason that so many of the beasts in this movie aren't in the book because he has already published it? They make several references to his book being mandatory reading and such.
Isn't Herpo the foul a parselmouth too, and it's never confirmend if he is a descendent of Slytherin, so there could be other families who can talk to snakes rather than just the slytherins
I think Newt had published the book before the events of the sequel and this movie, right? Which would explain some beast’s absence from the book. They can always release other “editions” with updated beasts.
Here's an Idea...what if the thing that makes the Dumbledore lineage so special is that they're actually Young Pheonixes that have yet to obtain their Immortal Bird form, and that the reason why they're so rare is because to mate, they need to be in the human form, and if they fail to achieve certain goals in life, they'll fail to reincarnate into the Immortal Bird form... Something like taking out dark wizards counts...and the reason why they have an associated Phoenix is because that's one of their ancestors Literally watching over them hoping to guide them towards their Reincarnation as a Phoenix. The water Phoenix is possibly what happens when a Member of the Phoenix family drowns, and they've yet to accomplish anything in life...basically a get out of death ticket... Essentially they temporarily obtain the Immortal Bird form and it takes on the aspect of their Premature Death...in Credence's case, a Phoenix of Water. I have more to say by I need to get to sleep.😅
To me it feels like Lita and Newt had a lot of established familiarity, friendship and blossoming romance. But since she is marrying his brother, it seems to me that neither of them were able to stand up for the relationship when Theseus entered the picture. That mirrors the problem that arises with Newt and Tina. Both of them are so starstruck that neither of them have the ability to assert the fact that they want a relationship.
@@ChienaAvtzon I didn't realize that! Thank you for letting me know. I didn't consider Newt carrying her picture as an indication that they were dating, since he carries Lita's photo and they weren't dating.
@@herbdandilion3434 - I think a lot of the problem stems from Eddie Redmayne and Katherine Waterston having very little on-screen chemistry. The characters are a complete mismatch and Waterston is not a very good actress. Newt and Tina’s relationship is not very natural, and at times feels forced. Similar to how Harry and Ginny were as a couple. This becomes glaringly obvious in comparison to Jacob and Queenie. Or even Theseus and Lally, who share the screen for half an hour, and seem incredibly compatible as a potential couple.
What I'm confused about with Credence is that (I think) Grindelwald told him that Credence's brother would try to kill him or something along those lines in Crimes of Grindelwald. Fairly explicitly referring to Albus, but apparently not? Does Aberforth have yet another secret son or am I completely misremembering that movie?
I think the implication is either Grindelwalld lied to Credence or having only heard rumours of a Dumbledore child, and having deduced that this is that child he guessed as to the relationship. I think in the movie Dumbledore himself says they hadn't known about Credence, so maybe the mother left before telling Aberforth about the pregnancy.
What affects what kind of wand a Harry Potter character wood get? Like what affects what kind of wood it is, how long it is and what it’s core is? Idk if you guys did a video on this or not.
wasnt there a thing that said that albus and grindelwald havent seen each other since ariana's death? or that they dont fight? yet in the movie we see them not only meet but also kind of fight each other when grindelwald tries to kill credence and both albus and aberforth stop him. also nice little connection? i guess. the last time they all saw each other they fought and ended up killing ariana and now they all fight again to save credence. i thought it was cool
Corgis or another LaStrange baby boy has to show back up again, otherwise how does Bellatrix marry a descendant of the LaStarnge family, if Corbis and Leta were the last two and both are now dead.
We actually know of numerous people over the years that can. But that it is rare. And there were only a single family directly proscribed to having the talent. They were jot the only ones. This was mentioned. Loosely as it were. It references that it does happen. And, that it is associated with dark wizards. Though dumble dor expressly states there were many good wizards that have.
OHHHHHH.... Yip the whole Jacobs wand thing is 100... i predicted credence was Abes son at the end of 2.. but the sleeping wand with corvis being able too speak the toung great
1st the profacywill be in last movie just like Harry Potter profacy plays out at the last book and movie. That means we have two more movies. Next I caught Queeny cast a spell through Jacob's wand as well during the stormy dinner. It was at her side but she flicked her wand. I think Jacob's wand is a conductor of sorts. Also loved the book magics.
I would like to say that as soon as people started hating on credence possibly being a Dumbledore I immediately started thinking how he could be one and came up with the correct answer
Wait but Jacob's wand could respond to him if it some how connected to Salazar... because the wand chooses the wizard. Why couldn't it choose to reveal itself to its human. That would be dope asf in the next 2 movies!
You have to remember that the Deathly Hallows closes all the open storylines beautifully. I think the last fantastic beasts movies will bring back Tycho Dydonis' (can't spell this guy's name to save my life) prediction
Don't they say in the movie that the professors fifth year students are required to read fantastic beast so the beast he encounters in the prison wouldn't be in the book.
There are so many things wrong with this movie. I feel like so many the rules established in Harry Potter have been broken, so many things explained to us in Harry Potter just got thrown out. Like? Wasn't Grindelwald already a seer? Why is him getting visions from the qillin so unusual? The mirrorverse? What is going on with this power of the deluminator? Or the drop that Dumbledore put on Credence's face that transported them both to this dimension? The spell that Vinda Rosier cast at the qillin? Wasn't that Avada Kedavra? And didn't that mean "instant death"? I didn't see it dying immediately. What was the point of the blood pact? How was it destroyed? Why was it there in the first place? If it's broken, what would Dumbledore do for the rest of the series? Are you telling me that he's not gonna hunt Grindelwald down for like the next twenty years? HE CAN ATTACK HIM, THEY'VE ALREADY FOUGHT IN THIS MOVIE. And the weird diner they were in the first few minutes of the movie? Where was that? Do you see? It was great visualy and acting-wise. Jude Law was incredible, Dan Fogler, Eddie Redmayne. They've all been great. It's just, I feel like the movie is slowly driving away from canon stuff.
Was the dual at the end of the movie the final duel? And if not why did everyone think that Dumbledore and Grindelwald had not seen each other from their first duel until the final one?
My SoD theories: 1. The snake wood wand will go to Nagini. She doesn’t have a wand at the moment, and if she can’t speak parsletongue now, she will be able to soon. She might become more active in the series once Corvis dies, showing her transition to the dark side. 2. Corvis’ mother was a young witch who was pressured by her family to give up her baby. Simple, but that’s how controlling families act, unfortunately. I doubt they will mention her again. 3. The prophesy is almost certainly abandoned. They made it clear in CoG that the prophesy could be hogwash, and it turns out it was. 4. The manticore in the movie is the new series official manticore. The kind in the book was the official version, but the movie overpowers side illustration books as far as canon goes. The new design fits the HP world better anyways. Also, the Fantastic Beasts book was released before movie 2, so all of these new creatures aren’t added. 5. McGonnagal is definitely going to play a part in the rest of the series. Her being a professor before she was even born isn’t an accident. Dumbledore makes multiple comments implying he knows the future, things like “today is a historic day. But in the moment it feels so normal.” This is because he knows what’s coming, probably because his older self told Minerva, who told his younger self. I probably have more … …
14:00 It was said Aberforth was halfblood? How can that be when both parents were magic? Was one of the parents muggleborn and does that count as halfblood?
Wait, so if Harry was a Parselmouth because he was a horcrux, does that mean that after the events of the Battle of Hogwarts, he can no longer talk to snakes? Has this been addressed anywhere??
I have another question. Since the Dumbledore family has had 2 Obscurus within 2 generation, is it possible to be more genetically prone to develop one?
Did Jacob and Queenie get special permission from MCUSA to get married?I find it odd that the head of the American auror office would be maid of honor at a wedding that is clearly illegal under MCUSA law.
Never been here before was trying to decide if fb3 was worth my $...vid was very heplful think i might watch it after all. Also i gotta check out this chanel seems cool.
What if Credence’s mother is an American descendants of Slytherin who went to the UK to see Hogwarts because Isolt where they met Aberforth and had Credence. She later try’s to return to America when boom! The fire nation attacks
I think the Dumbledores can still turn into a phoenix after death and that the phoenix come to those in the family in need but that Credence’s phoenix is Ariana (hence why she’s so darkly colored) and that Credence dying with his family will heal him in a way and allow Fawks to be born from his death and not be burnt like this Ariana’s phoenix.
I think Newt’s only problem with Theseus is that his brother is the golden child. He is socially capable, he’s well liked and admired, he’s athletic and a war hero and works in the ministry. Everything Theseus does he does well and garners praise and reward. He does what is expected of him because it is expected. Newt, on the other hand, is the polar opposite. He is reflective, introverted, and socially awkward. He doesn’t do anything that is expected of him unless he believes it is the right to do. He’s not a joiner or a follower. He sees everything from a different perspective and with the exception of Dumbledore, is constantly harangued for not being more like his brother. Even by Theseus himself. When Tina bound Theseus to the chair it was probably the first time anyone had bettered his brother thinking Newt was right. It was a revelation it could even happen. No wonder it was wonderful.
I would agree if we have had any indication of Newt's desire to change. He seems perfectly comfortable with who he is, he does NOT seek anyone's approval and popularity and he is doing what he loves the most.
@@AlexandraAndStuff He's perfectly comfortable NOW as an adult, but growing up in Theseus' shadow probably made Newt not his biggest fan. Newt is happy how his life is now, but, as we muggles now, childhood rivalries can last a lifetime, even if they get past it as adults. Personally, I think Newt is the stronger of the two when it comes to magical ability - they certainly use their abilities differently in their lives. Plus Theseus is a warrior and Newt loves all creatures, great and small, not a "best buddies" situation even if they are brothers.
And a potential problem, which may come to bite them later, is given in the example of the relationship between Albus and Aberforth. Albus was not a particularly good brother to Aberforth. If Albus had been a better brother, maybe some of what happened with Credence/Aurelius would not have turned out so badly. Will Newt act in a similar way toward Theseus? From this movie, it seems that Newt and Theseus are getting along better.
So, in real mythology, manticore is a basket-term for mixed creature of 3 or more existing creatures. So the manticore in the book is probably just the most common version in the wizarding world
I think if magical beasts existed there would be different types of the same beast. Like cardinals are a type of bird but there are different species of cardinal, and those different cardinal species have different subspecies of that version of a cardinal.
The term “real mythology” got a chuckle out of me. But was pretty much coming to the comments to say the same thing….the only manticore that I can think of that is unique is a Chimaera…though that might be due to it having 3 separate animal heads (Lion in front, goat facing backward, and snake head tail)
The reason some of the beasts aren't in the book is because in universe Newt published the book between film 1 and 2. So all beasts that we don't allready know from film 1 that are in film 2 & 3 aren't in the book because Newt never encountered them before. At least that's what I think
I agree but also, I think Newt is aware enough to know that some creatures are truly dangerous and are better left alone or people are aweful enough to abuse certain creatures for their abilities like their theory about the Zowu(however thats spelled?
That's a good way for them to backpedal but if the story was created to completion from movie 1 of this series, then all of the creatures should be in the books. It feels like they're changing things as it continues with the hope that the audience will just go with it. At least they got the actor for Grindewald right finally. Mads is awesome.
Assuming the little creatures are baby versions of the big one in the pit, then Newt has encountered them “once before - in a laboratory setting” and, thus, the results of his mimicking experiments were “inconclusive” - but that could have been after the 1st edition was published
I loved the film but I can’t lie I was just a little disappointed with the explanation for Aurelius. I still liked what they chose for his backstory but I definitely prefer your Philosopher’s Stone/Obscurus theory in every way. It just fits with how foolish and arrogant Dumbledore was when he was young. He thought he could do anything. And there’s consequences for that notion. God it would’ve been so perfect.
I fear they might've simplified the explanation for the general audience. I was disappointed too. When I got out of the theater, I thought, _well that didn't feel like it was written by Rowling_ And turns out, according to David Heyman, Kloves was the one to write the final script, based on the latest draft Joanne did. Long story short we got this. Simplification is fine, but this one's oversimplified, IMO.
@@Crafyeet I’d rather get a more simplified explanation, that still held a lot of emotional value, over J.K. Rowling getting anymore work. I can’t wait for her to almost entirely lose her platform. If it was up to me I would honestly hire SCB. Their ideas are ridiculously good. Maybe they would be bad script writers, I don’t know them personally, so maybe they should be brought in to give general ideas. Cooperation.
@@AustinNGrayson Well bad news for you pal, she's not going anywhere. You may disagree with her political views, but she created this world and does own it. Even if she's not coming back to write 4 and 5 (which I think is impossible), she's still generating cash.
1. Newt and Theseus- because Theseus is Newt's foil. Theseus is a war hero, an auror, and was engaged to Newt's first love. Which makes things....*Awkward*. Newt in comparison is a sweet, gentle nurturer of misunderstood creatures himself deeply misunderstood and loath to resort to violence. They're competing models of masculinity. 2. Once again, Welsh confounds us all. Aberforth in Welsh means something like "From the river drawn". There's your prophecy solved. Interestingly "Arianna" is Welsh for "Silver," "Aurelius" is latin for "Gold". It strikes me that Albus' greatest regret in life is "Silver" while Aberforth's is "Gold". Artfully clever twist there.
For Theseus and Newt: I love how you're phrasing that. I will say, though: I would say that they're contrasting models of masculinity, rather than conflicting. As awkward as Newt and Theseus are, they do clearly love and respect each other for those differences. It's a wonderful sibling dynamic.
I wonder then if Aberforth is going to have a larger role in future movies, taking some form of leading role against Grindelwald? Trying to Avenge his sons death? - Is Credence dead? He was dying and Aberforth took him home - which we are meant to assume is taking him home to die, but I don't trust anyone is dead in fiction unless they die on screen and sometimes not even then.
yeah lol that confused me so much, especially since they didn't do anything muggles shoudn't see and if they did, someone could've easily seen them from another side
As a person with an older sibling who is clearly the favorite of like....everyone, I can definitely say I get the Newt thing. Like do I love them? Sure. Do I like spending time with them? Generally no. Would I risk my life to save them? Without question. Do I want them hanging out with my friends? Absolutely not.
Except, the irony of Newt’s situation is that Jacob (his best friend) considers Theseus a friend too. Add that Lally was clearly flirting with Theseus on the train, and they arrived to the wedding together. Newt is just going to have learn how to deal with it. Especially, since his brother is one of the few people who puts up with his quirks.
I was once accused of being “the favorite” when we were kids. Now I am 30 and my brother is 27, and I would take a bullet for him without hesitation. I love him unconditionally. But we do bicker and fight like Theseus and Newt because we are very different people in terms of personality. I think Theseus and Newt are being setup for a nice sort of “reconciliation” in a later film.
Isolt Sayre was a Parselmouth. She just did not know it. She even talked to a serpent when she was first in North America. Gormlaith Gaunt was her aunt and could also speak to serpents.
@@iris220 the daughter who possesses no magical abilities wouldn’t be a no-maj since her mother is a witch, by definition she’d be a squib. Squibs can still pass on the “wizard gene” that’s literally why muggle borns are a thing. It is highly possible that if she had children and later grandchildren that at some point the magic resurfaced
Being a brother, and J and Ben being brothers, I would think that the explanation of the rift between Newt and Theseus is pretty straightforward. Newt has classic little brother syndrome where the older brother can do no wrong, and is praised by being the first to do all the things, the you throw in Leta and things get even more complicated as Newt doesn't know how to express his feelings and Theseus isn't blind and swoops in being the cooler, older, war hero that he is. And Newt never forgives him. Within the Wizarding World we see the Dumbledores, the Weasleys, and the Scamander Brothers. All of which show varying degrees of family dynamics but most commonly disassociation.
I thought it was pretty straight forward too about "beef" between Newt and Theseus. 1. Siblings rivalry dynamics. 2. Theseus being older brother patronizing Newt, not taking him seriously, overbearing him, like he knows better, etc etc. 3. Theseus is confident, war hero, auror. While Newt is socially awkward, shy, care about animals. These two are the opposite of each other. 4. Well, and the all Leta thing. She was Newt's bff in school that he was in love with since, but then at some point she started dating his brother (!) and was about to marry him.
Yeah, it was pretty obvious to me too. He's the less good looking socially awkward brother with a weird hobby/interest and his brother is a complete chad that stole his girl(and possibly the person he lost his virginity to). I think most people in Newt's position would be resentful.
@@you_already_have_it - It is heavily implied, in the third film, the age gag has been changed. Newt and Theseus now seem to be much closer in age. Theseus, in particular, had to be completely reimagined after Callum Turner was cast.
@@ToBy11334 nope, moody (crouch jr) clearly says that it can't be blocked by any spell, it either misses you or you die. Harry can block voldermort's because of the twin cores but it's the only exception
My theory is that neither of them truly went against one another in that interaction. Grindelwald shot at Credence and Dumbledore shot to counteract the spell but not specifically at Grindelwald at that moment. So they ended up clashing despite the fact that neither of them went against the other directly, which is what I think Dumbledore means when he says to "call it fate" and also the reason for why the blood pact broke.
I also really, REALLY APPRECIATE more Aberforth in this movie. Giving Aberforth the father role to one of the key characters gives him a great importance emotionally to the story and I always felt that his inclusion in the books was lackluster at best. Of course that plays into the movie as well, how Aberforth and Albus have a strained relationship due to Albus's success in the wizarding world. I also love how Aberforht's line just cut out any exposition to the audience. His "I was there" stands up for all of the audience that read the book already and says "we were there, we don't need to rehash the story again to play the pity violin for Albus."
Totally agree with you about the “I was there” line. It was one of those lines of dialogue that made you realize that this film was written by an actual screenwriter. Exposition dumps have no place in film. Steve Kloves had always written Aberforth as someone who does not like talking about Ariana, due to how painful those memories were. Whereas, JK Rowling used him as an exposition dump, that it seemed out of character even in the book. It was never realistic for Aberforth to tell Harry, Ron, and Hermione about his sister’s condition. It was excusable in the novel, but still a conversation that would never have taken place.
I've interpreted Newt and Theseus' relationship to be this: Newt and Lita were bffs that use to date. They had a falling out of some sorts. They later reconciled but she also ended up dating his brother. Which accounts for the "mildly hilarious " Best Man line of his in CoG. Also, Theseus strikes me as the caring but alittle overbearing older brother. He seems to have never taken Newt's interest seriously (neither did their mother apparently) which has affected their relationship. Add this to the fact that Theseus is basically a rock star and BOOM relationship explained. They love each other but don't really like each other. Theseus thinks Newt is wasting his talents, Newt thinks Theseus takes himself too seriously for a guy who works in an office 🤷🏾♂️. Also, Theseus and Lolly are probably going to end up together. I would love to see a tale of the Scamander cousins lol (Theseus + Lolly's kids & Newt + Tina's kids).
So my unanswered question is this: What has changed in New York since the events of the last movie that allows Jacob and Queenie to marry? They had two senior Aurors watching, it was hardly a secret ceremony…
Jacob and Queenie got married illegally in the USA, but their relationship was public knowledge due to Bhutan. Also, Theseus is British. He could care less about a witch marrying a muggle. It is not illegal where he is from.
Also it wouldn’t be good press if the Muggle who was unjustly blamed for an assassination attempt by Grindelwald would be then have his wife imprisoned and memory erased for marring her. The press will have a field day. Especially since he helped take Grindelwald down.
Queenie may have been banned from using magic other than to defend herself and others because of her being a part of Grindelwald's side even though she left him to be with Jacob. This would make her no longer a member of the wizarding community in America which would make it legal for her to marry Jacob. In normal times she would have to break her wand in half, which she may have to do after Grindelwald's defeat.
The prophecy makes sense when the Gaelic/Welsh meaning of Aberforth is "From the river"... From the water. Also is poetic since nobody seems to account for Aberforth.
Wow, how come I haven't heard this mentioned before?! It's very JKR-like to be alluding to Aberforth in that way in the prophecy! By the way, I love the Forth estuary 💕
The soundtrack for the prison scene is literally called "Manticore Dance". Also, I think the "water" behind the logo is the same as the spell Dumbledore uses to draw up the temple in Bhutan.
Am I the only one that is wondering what the significance of the mantacore tentacle thing slithering in the Black Lake was about? Like if it grew from that limb is that what everyone was seeing that they called a giant squid?
Ah, the next best thing after getting a new Wizarding World movie: SCB theories about it! I can’t wait for all your theories! And I’m already on board with this one that Credence’s mother is a Gaunt. I wonder if you got a theory about when did the Dumbledores know that Credence is Aberforth’s son and how the mirror connection came to be. On MuggleCast they (I think it was Laura) told a theory that Albus and Gellert could have used the same mirror connection in the past. Also do you think that the Quilin bowing to Albus has something to do with him becoming the Supreme Mugwump later in his life?
I feel lie a major theme of this whole saga is about the relationship between siblings. Queenie and Tina, Albus and Aberforth, and Newt and Theseus. Even with the symbolism of the two quilins, and maybe there is something more with Credence and the other baby, but sibling relationships are a big play and I think there will be more to that.
My main question is: Why would the qilin think Albus was "pure of heart"? He's not! Lots of people I've talked to on and off the internet have said that they thought it was going to bow to either Jacob or Newt. We don't know anything about, uh, what was her name again? There's an unanswered question: What is this woman like, and is she going to do a good job, and what specifically does she intend to do about Grindelwald - as well as whatever other issues are facing the wizarding world? What were her campaign issues? Another unanswered question: What the heck was up with that German death prison? They just send various people down there, with no trial, no semblance of justice or due process, and when the little light bug goes out, they just die. Those light bugs don't seem to last very long, so it seems like once you're in, you've got hours to live. Doesn't anyone notice these missing wizards? Doesn't anyone wonder what happened to them? WW2 hasn't happened yet, and Germany already has magical death camps?
The whole quilin thing was so frustrating. You’ve got a almost-convicted war criminal who happens to have access to the only thing that will grant him an unopposed election to highest office, and no one questions it? No one thinks ‘hey this is too convenient?!’ What was the election process before the magic deer showed up? Also yes, it bowing to dumbledore was just…awful. And since when does purity of heart mean ‘sound foreign policy’ or ‘good ideas for policy reform’?
I don't think it's exactly that Newt doesn't like Theseus, it's that Newt doesn't like the Ministry and the fact that Theseus keeps pushing Newt to join the Ministry.
I think the way they interract is overblown and folks are reading into it too much. I just finished watching the movie and to me it would be the same way I would interact with my brother. Not everyone is as close as Ben and J are to their siblings. I saw it as "o ya my brother is here too and he does things I am tired of talking about" and they dont hate each other we just dont see eye to eye.
@@usseg - Also, the filmmakers and Steve Kloves completely changed Theseus, in the third film, due to how Callum Turner was portraying him. The way he was written in the two films is quite different. As JK Rowling had a particular image in her head, when coming up with the basic backstory, and could not understand how/why Callum Turner was cast. It is why Theseus acts a certain way, but everyone states the opposite about him, in the second film. What was in the script was not working. Whereas, Steve Kloves wrote the character to fit naturally with the actor and third film. Convoluted backstories that are irrelevant to the story at hand, have no baring on a professional screenwriter.
I told you in another post that (according to my theory 😎) every phoenix was once an obscurus, and becoming an obscurus is what runs in the Dumbledore family (Harry Potter famously did NOT become one). Credence’s phoenix is his aunt Ariana; Creedence himself will, upon his death, arise with wings because he’ll become Fawkes, and come to Albus’s defense. Newt has an obscurus in his suitcase and will figure this out.
Now this is a good theory that's not convoluted! Most theories are just waaaay too deep into Potterlore that general audiences wouldn't understand. You're theory everyone could get with minimal explanation. Plus it's excellent, I love it!
What a fun theory! Or that every Dumbledore becomes a Phoenix after they die 🤔 Then Ariana could still be Credence’s Phoenix and Credence could become Fawkes. Harry also thought he saw a Phoenix rising from Dumbledore’s grave.
My theory is that Credence’s mom is the daughter who despairs because her child was shipped away by her parents who wanted her pregnancy out of wedlock to be kept secrets. Credence is still the son cruelly banished (by his grandparents). Maybe Aberforth will be the great avenger?
The first half hour of “Secrets of Dumbledore” basically was a soft reboot of the series. Since, it virtually erased/condensed the previous two films. This film can be watched without knowing what happened before. Newt and Theseus do not have any beef. They are just brothers with very different personalities. Honestly, their relationship was one of the biggest highlights of FB3. It was fairly playful sibling banter. Even Jacob got into it with Theseus, on several occasions. He almost seemed like an adopted Scamander, which was incredibly sweet. PS: Theseus and Lally are totally becoming a couple.
I'm kinda happy about the soft reboot besides the inconsistency, because I could NOT remeber much about Crimes of Grindlewald (only that I was totally confused afterwards)
@@redcactusify2071 - If anything, “Secrets of Dumbledore” is more consistent with the first film and “Crimes of Grindelwald” is what screwed the story up. Like you said, it was impossible to follow and made absolutely no sense. “Secrets of Dumbledore” cut out the dead plot and characters and tied up a couple of storylines to phase those characters out. Meaning, if the franchise continues, the WWII arc will be very streamlined.
I wonder if Credence's mother could also be the mother of Merope and Morfin, and possibly the wife of Marvolo. She could have been a Gaunt herself, maybe a cousin or half-sibling or something, given that that was not taboo in their family. It could be that she gave birth to Credence before or after her marriage to Marvolo (likely before) and he could have found out about the half-blood baby and/or affair later on, possibly going as far as to murder her.
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So here's the real question. When do the Dumbledore brothers decide shaving/beard trimming is too much of a hassle?
chuckle..😅
And when does Dumbledore decide he will just wear a robe, night cap and slippers forever?
@@39Bosski graying of the hair
World war 2 must've really changed them
In the 70's of course.
The wand could still be from Salazar's tree (and if so, would it even need a core?)
Branches naturally fall from trees all the time. That particular one can't be cut, but you can still pick up a stick from the ground...
wow that's clever lol
All it needs is parseltongue to be spoken when holding the wand to unlock/activate it
Maybe the prophecy refers to generations of Dumbledores?
A son cruelly banished - Percival Dumbledore who was sent to Azkaban.
The despair of the daughter - Ariana Dumbledore who had to suffer a terrible muggle attack.
Return, great avenger with wings from the water - Aurelius Dumbledore who didn't end up drowning because of the baby swap.
The prophecy is about whoever JK Rowling Will out as trans next !
Snape probably
I'm beginning to think babies in the HPWW don't fare so well-- baby Harry, Baby, Neville Dumbledore Daughter, Young Severus, mugglebaby inFB2, drowned baby, switched baby-----
It did not seem like aberforth would 'Cruelly' banish his son. Seems like he wanted to love his son.. It must be the mother that sent credence away. A mother who would be ashamed to have a child with a dumbledore. I still want to know how a ship full of wizards sinks!
@QueenMushu I agree. I'm not sure of the age but I don't think it would matter much in a patriarchal family. I think it most likely to be an issue of status than age. Unless the child is part of aberforths goat issues and their is no family. Transfigure a goat into a wife. Lol
Do we know the ship is full of wizards?
@@johnjohnon8767 we know their was a few at least. Those traveling with Credence and Corvis. Servents and family keeping in mind corvis comes from a well off family. The scene we get show very tight quarters, small cabins. Meaning that either the boat was full of wizards or no one could use magic the entire trip. Knowing how dangerous oceanic trips were at the time I doubt either family would send off these babies without someone to protect them.
It is sad that Irma Dugard half elf was chosen to transport Corvus because her magic was weak and, Kama wouldn’t be able to track her easily Since he was trying to kill him
Slytherin was a Parselmouth. The language he spoke was Parseltongue. He didn't speak Parselmouth.
other unanswered questions for the towel section: what was the deal with Jacob's assasination attempt, what is the magic used by Albus in the battle with Credence, what was Yusef's deal in the movie, why haven't we heard of the "great wizard leader" in the time of Potter? (unless that is just the confederation of wizards, like they mention once in the movie, but it's way more powerful in this story?). And an explanation in general of Albus's weird other dimension magic would be great ^^ keep it up guys! Can't wait for you guys to make more sense of this movie.
One theory I had with the creatures left out of the book is that he simply didnt know of certain beasts or didnt know enough about them to include them in that edition of the book. Most of the creatures in the book are also in his suit case, creatures he's actively studied and cared for. In Crimes of Grindelwald Tina and Newt talk about Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them as an already published book. Its also mentioned in Secrets of Dumbledore - on the train- when Lally compliments Newt by saying that Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them is required reading for all her students. Meaning the books been out long enough for it to be credible in schools. Newt meets and 'collects' more creatures in the next two movies. So it'd make sense that Newt just simply didnt have the information required to put these creatures in the original book, especially in regards to the quilin (aka the one that sounds like 'chillin'). this is clearly a very rare creature that hasn't been 'actively around' for awhile so even though its apparently rather important to wizarding culture, it was mostly myth until Newt found the one/s featured in SoD.
"What is the deal with Newt and Theseus?"
Unlike You and Ben, there are siblings that like to tease each other, be mean to each other, provoke for the fun of it,
There is nothing to unpack there... Just 2 brothers that love each other but also love to make each other .. At least that's the case where I come from!
There is no BEEF!
Even Jacob and Theseus were teasing each other, a few times, during the film. This is just how Newt, Theseus, and Jacob interact and it was adorable.
Albus Dumbledore was a parselmouth, or at least that is implied in the sixth book, when he understands parseltounge in a memory, Credence's parseltounge probably comes from Aberforth.
I always thought that Albus learned to understand Parseltounge, since he was gifted with languages (it is mentioned in the books when Harry thinks about all the missed opportunities where he could have asked Dumbledore anything about himself).
I think the Newt/Theseus relationship doesn't need much explanation. Newt is a lot like Ron, overshadowed by the older sibling. Theseus also seems to look down on Newt because he won't join the ministry. This is why Newt resents him and not Tina, even if they have the same job. Tina supports Newt, and understands his love for creatures. She doesn't put him down for it, but try's to encourage him. Which is exactly why Newt supports Tina.
I make knife handles out of Snakewood one of the densest exotic woods. Native to South America and expensive, a 1"x1 1/2"x5" piece is around $36 and is uncommon as a zebra thigh bone cost less even after being stabilized under high pressure. Snakewood like most of the other extremely dense woods isn't stabilized.
Theseus and Newt just felt like typicsl brothers to me. Me and my brother don’t have any specific beef but we will be generally petty against each other until the other one is in trouble. Then we’re best buds. That’s just how it works
potential prophecy tie in: a son cruelly banished= the murdered qillin. Despair of the daughter= orphaned qillin. Return great avenger with wings from the water= newt being carried out of the waterfall area by his weird winged balloon beast
In the third film, Eulalie Hicks says that 'Fantastic Beasts' is one of the core textbooks for her students, perhaps this explains why the creatures in this film aren't in the book as the book has already been released?
I've been wonderind about Credence's ( by the way, Is "Aurelius" his real name after all?) mother... and I hope the answer confirms his possible parseltongue fracture, and partly justify Nagini's relationship with him, and we all want her back. I also want to see how she ends up living with Voldemort, and if there is some Corvus/snake Fable link to their story, even if we think Credence is not Corvus. That could have been an idea to play with in the magical circus, for example, in the second movie. I want this franchise to continue.
Nagini's not being in the movie was due to her being pregnant during the filming. Tina is barely in it for the same reason. Most likely, with the pandemic interrupting shooting schedules, things got mixed up and they decided to have the kids as everything was closed down, then suddenly filming was back on. Nagini will be back if there is another movie.
i don't remember any real world fable or mythos that could be with the corvus (crow) and a snake, but the Garuda and the Naga are basically an indian phoenix and a magical snake that can have many heads and look human. But that would have them turn into enemies or one be the cause of the death of the other. Maybe Nagini being indirectly guilty of Credence dying makes her transform faster? And a part if me actually would love that the mysterious mother is not a descendant of the slithering line, but a branch of the older families (There were other parseltounges in history older than Slithering) someone that actually opens other possibilities for stories.
1:31 Carlin Brothers coming in support of the three shells I see.
I’m curious what the time frame will be for the next one. I feel it should be at least a few years; Queenie & Jacob have children (possibly at school) and Grindlewald is buying his time. I feel his next big move will be closer to WW2. I also feel the events happening at school with Tom Riddle will either be mentioned in conversation OR his actions are the reason Grindlewald makes another attempt at Dumbledore.
Of course Jacob's wand has a big secret...Dumbledore gave it to him and he is FULL of secrets
Im confident you guys have given way more thought into the plot than actual jk rowling
Question for SCB! Just watched Secrets of Dumbledore, and I think there *could* be an explanation as to why nobody has to say the killing curse. Maybe others have come up with this too. So, the Unforgivable Curses were established in early 1700s. But could jinxes have been placed on them gradually over time? Grindelwald clearly had to state "Crucio' when attacking Jacob, which you would think as powerful as he is with the Elder wand wouldn't have to do. But In other cases, the Killing Curse gets used without incantation. Perhaps shortly after Grindelwald's time and Voldemort, a Taboo (similar to what Voldemort does in the Second Wizarding War with his name) gets placed for all three of the Curses. Idk. It would help with the inconsistency between these films and the main HP Series. Thoughts?!
The thumbnail for this video said "Jacob's Wand has a Big Secret" and ALL I could think of was "That's what she said! LOL
Those manticore or however it spelled could have just simple been babies or extremely new to life hints their look / form. The described form of them in the book could have been a full grown version hints why he was moving around slowly and acting nervous seemingly from these clips you have shown. In hopes that a full grown didn't show up / come out of wherever it could have been.
Not realated, but I think you (scb) should read the keeper of lost citys books if you haven't read them yet. They are very goog and I think they would de fitting for this channel.
1. Thé créature is a Manticore. Eddie Reddmaine mentions this creature in an interview.
Marvolo - if I butcher Latin: MAR(e) = sea, VOL(are) = to fly. Been thinking since TCoG that this is also the origin story of Tom Riddle.
Kingkiller chronicles Dracchus plushies in background
Oh man you really put that bidet in the same list with the air fryer
Thesis wanted to force Newt to join the Aurors, to which Newt refused over and over.
Newt then Idk how, was assigned to the Dept of Magical Creatures. I remember reading he hated it passed two laws then left the MoM.
If you go back to Movie 1 of FB he says he is ready to publish his book and intends to deliver it to Tina shortly thereafter. Perhaps in movies 2 and 3 he is encountering beasts he has not yet come across and as the book is already published........
I haven't watched you guys in forever but I'm back and I have watched every video I missed(that took 9 hours)I love you
Is the reason that so many of the beasts in this movie aren't in the book because he has already published it? They make several references to his book being mandatory reading and such.
Isn't Herpo the foul a parselmouth too, and it's never confirmend if he is a descendent of Slytherin, so there could be other families who can talk to snakes rather than just the slytherins
I think Newt had published the book before the events of the sequel and this movie, right? Which would explain some beast’s absence from the book. They can always release other “editions” with updated beasts.
WOW the water phoenix..I missed that
I wish the people behind these movies had your enthusiasm and make an effort to make something magical
I think that if fantastic beasts have told us anything it is that they won't answer any of these questions..
Now we have to know what happens to credence he is never mentioned by dumbledore or his brother again
It's funny, as a fellow Virginian I can pinpoint when you guys film stuff based on the weather
Here's an Idea...what if the thing that makes the Dumbledore lineage so special is that they're actually Young Pheonixes that have yet to obtain their Immortal Bird form, and that the reason why they're so rare is because to mate, they need to be in the human form, and if they fail to achieve certain goals in life, they'll fail to reincarnate into the Immortal Bird form... Something like taking out dark wizards counts...and the reason why they have an associated Phoenix is because that's one of their ancestors Literally watching over them hoping to guide them towards their Reincarnation as a Phoenix.
The water Phoenix is possibly what happens when a Member of the Phoenix family drowns, and they've yet to accomplish anything in life...basically a get out of death ticket... Essentially they temporarily obtain the Immortal Bird form and it takes on the aspect of their Premature Death...in Credence's case, a Phoenix of Water.
I have more to say by I need to get to sleep.😅
Loved the movie! Hope they make all of them.
To me it feels like Lita and Newt had a lot of established familiarity, friendship and blossoming romance. But since she is marrying his brother, it seems to me that neither of them were able to stand up for the relationship when Theseus entered the picture.
That mirrors the problem that arises with Newt and Tina. Both of them are so starstruck that neither of them have the ability to assert the fact that they want a relationship.
Newt and Tina are literally dating, during the third film. It is just an off-screen long distance relationship. That is why he carries her photo.
@@ChienaAvtzon I didn't realize that! Thank you for letting me know. I didn't consider Newt carrying her picture as an indication that they were dating, since he carries Lita's photo and they weren't dating.
@@herbdandilion3434 - Leta was Newt’s best friend from Hogwarts. Which is why he carried her picture.
@@ChienaAvtzon that is why I didn't consider Newt carrying Tina's picture a signal that they were dating. I must have misunderstood
@@herbdandilion3434 - I think a lot of the problem stems from Eddie Redmayne and Katherine Waterston having very little on-screen chemistry. The characters are a complete mismatch and Waterston is not a very good actress. Newt and Tina’s relationship is not very natural, and at times feels forced. Similar to how Harry and Ginny were as a couple. This becomes glaringly obvious in comparison to Jacob and Queenie. Or even Theseus and Lally, who share the screen for half an hour, and seem incredibly compatible as a potential couple.
What I'm confused about with Credence is that (I think) Grindelwald told him that Credence's brother would try to kill him or something along those lines in Crimes of Grindelwald. Fairly explicitly referring to Albus, but apparently not? Does Aberforth have yet another secret son or am I completely misremembering that movie?
I think the implication is either Grindelwalld lied to Credence or having only heard rumours of a Dumbledore child, and having deduced that this is that child he guessed as to the relationship. I think in the movie Dumbledore himself says they hadn't known about Credence, so maybe the mother left before telling Aberforth about the pregnancy.
What affects what kind of wand a Harry Potter character wood get? Like what affects what kind of wood it is, how long it is and what it’s core is? Idk if you guys did a video on this or not.
Your personality; you can read it on pottermore ( wizarding world)
@@Vmtdj6848 Oh okay.
@@jenniferwheat9889 also ruclips.net/video/bSRwJyaUwWE/видео.html
wasnt there a thing that said that albus and grindelwald havent seen each other since ariana's death? or that they dont fight? yet in the movie we see them not only meet but also kind of fight each other when grindelwald tries to kill credence and both albus and aberforth stop him. also nice little connection? i guess. the last time they all saw each other they fought and ended up killing ariana and now they all fight again to save credence. i thought it was cool
Could you please explain why Credence was slowly dying in that movie?
1:31 3 sea shells ( whoops sorry thats Demolition Man ) lol
Do you think that maybe Corbis didn’t die? He was a baby but since he was magical he could have saved himself. He might be alive.
Corgis or another LaStrange baby boy has to show back up again, otherwise how does Bellatrix marry a descendant of the LaStarnge family, if Corbis and Leta were the last two and both are now dead.
We actually know of numerous people over the years that can. But that it is rare. And there were only a single family directly proscribed to having the talent. They were jot the only ones. This was mentioned. Loosely as it were. It references that it does happen. And, that it is associated with dark wizards. Though dumble dor expressly states there were many good wizards that have.
If Jakub is a Muggle, then how does he go inside Hogwarts with the fidelius charm?
In the movie one of the wizards compliments him on his book so he already wrote it so this are new creatures we are seeing in the movie right?
OHHHHHH.... Yip the whole Jacobs wand thing is 100... i predicted credence was Abes son at the end of 2.. but the sleeping wand with corvis being able too speak the toung great
1st the profacywill be in last movie just like Harry Potter profacy plays out at the last book and movie. That means we have two more movies.
Next I caught Queeny cast a spell through Jacob's wand as well during the stormy dinner. It was at her side but she flicked her wand. I think Jacob's wand is a conductor of sorts. Also loved the book magics.
The monster in the pit turned into a monster in the lake in Harry Potter
I would like to say that as soon as people started hating on credence possibly being a Dumbledore I immediately started thinking how he could be one and came up with the correct answer
Wait but Jacob's wand could respond to him if it some how connected to Salazar... because the wand chooses the wizard. Why couldn't it choose to reveal itself to its human. That would be dope asf in the next 2 movies!
You have to remember that the Deathly Hallows closes all the open storylines beautifully. I think the last fantastic beasts movies will bring back Tycho Dydonis' (can't spell this guy's name to save my life) prediction
Don't they say in the movie that the professors fifth year students are required to read fantastic beast so the beast he encounters in the prison wouldn't be in the book.
There are so many things wrong with this movie. I feel like so many the rules established in Harry Potter have been broken, so many things explained to us in Harry Potter just got thrown out. Like? Wasn't Grindelwald already a seer? Why is him getting visions from the qillin so unusual? The mirrorverse? What is going on with this power of the deluminator? Or the drop that Dumbledore put on Credence's face that transported them both to this dimension? The spell that Vinda Rosier cast at the qillin? Wasn't that Avada Kedavra? And didn't that mean "instant death"? I didn't see it dying immediately. What was the point of the blood pact? How was it destroyed? Why was it there in the first place? If it's broken, what would Dumbledore do for the rest of the series? Are you telling me that he's not gonna hunt Grindelwald down for like the next twenty years? HE CAN ATTACK HIM, THEY'VE ALREADY FOUGHT IN THIS MOVIE. And the weird diner they were in the first few minutes of the movie? Where was that?
Do you see? It was great visualy and acting-wise. Jude Law was incredible, Dan Fogler, Eddie Redmayne. They've all been great. It's just, I feel like the movie is slowly driving away from canon stuff.
Was the dual at the end of the movie the final duel? And if not why did everyone think that Dumbledore and Grindelwald had not seen each other from their first duel until the final one?
We can only assume that it happened in their minds or some alternate reality created by the blood pact. So it didn’t really happen
Harry Potter Monster Book of Monsters has the Manticore described in it also.
about the problems with newt and thesius: you get along with your brothers, so you probably don't understand real, long-lasting sibling rivalry.
It may be in the "Monster Book of Monsters".
My SoD theories:
1. The snake wood wand will go to Nagini. She doesn’t have a wand at the moment, and if she can’t speak parsletongue now, she will be able to soon. She might become more active in the series once Corvis dies, showing her transition to the dark side.
2. Corvis’ mother was a young witch who was pressured by her family to give up her baby. Simple, but that’s how controlling families act, unfortunately. I doubt they will mention her again.
3. The prophesy is almost certainly abandoned. They made it clear in CoG that the prophesy could be hogwash, and it turns out it was.
4. The manticore in the movie is the new series official manticore. The kind in the book was the official version, but the movie overpowers side illustration books as far as canon goes. The new design fits the HP world better anyways. Also, the Fantastic Beasts book was released before movie 2, so all of these new creatures aren’t added.
5. McGonnagal is definitely going to play a part in the rest of the series. Her being a professor before she was even born isn’t an accident. Dumbledore makes multiple comments implying he knows the future, things like “today is a historic day. But in the moment it feels so normal.” This is because he knows what’s coming, probably because his older self told Minerva, who told his younger self.
I probably have more … …
Just watched it today it was great movie
14:00 It was said Aberforth was halfblood? How can that be when both parents were magic? Was one of the parents muggleborn and does that count as halfblood?
Kendra Dumbledore was an American muggleborn.
@@ChienaAvtzon i didnt know kendra was american either. That wasnt in the original series right? Its was jsut made up for Fantastic Beasts.
@@umwha - Both details were from “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows”.
Minerva McGonagall? How is she there? It is now confirmed that it is Minerva!
Wait, so if Harry was a Parselmouth because he was a horcrux, does that mean that after the events of the Battle of Hogwarts, he can no longer talk to snakes? Has this been addressed anywhere??
Yes. JK Rowling has stated that Harry can no longer speak parslemouth
I have another question. Since the Dumbledore family has had 2 Obscurus within 2 generation, is it possible to be more genetically prone to develop one?
Did Jacob and Queenie get special permission from MCUSA to get married?I find it odd that the head of the American auror office would be maid of honor at a wedding that is clearly illegal under MCUSA law.
Wings at water could just mean died at sea tho
Never been here before was trying to decide if fb3 was worth my $...vid was very heplful think i might watch it after all. Also i gotta check out this chanel seems cool.
What if Credence’s mother is an American descendants of Slytherin who went to the UK to see Hogwarts because Isolt where they met Aberforth and had Credence. She later try’s to return to America when boom! The fire nation attacks
I think the Dumbledores can still turn into a phoenix after death and that the phoenix come to those in the family in need but that Credence’s phoenix is Ariana (hence why she’s so darkly colored) and that Credence dying with his family will heal him in a way and allow Fawks to be born from his death and not be burnt like this Ariana’s phoenix.
Yeah I definitely thought they would bring back up more from the crimes of grindlewald.
I think Newt’s only problem with Theseus is that his brother is the golden child. He is socially capable, he’s well liked and admired, he’s athletic and a war hero and works in the ministry. Everything Theseus does he does well and garners praise and reward. He does what is expected of him because it is expected.
Newt, on the other hand, is the polar opposite. He is reflective, introverted, and socially awkward. He doesn’t do anything that is expected of him unless he believes it is the right to do. He’s not a joiner or a follower. He sees everything from a different perspective and with the exception of Dumbledore, is constantly harangued for not being more like his brother. Even by Theseus himself.
When Tina bound Theseus to the chair it was probably the first time anyone had bettered his brother thinking Newt was right. It was a revelation it could even happen. No wonder it was wonderful.
I would agree if we have had any indication of Newt's desire to change. He seems perfectly comfortable with who he is, he does NOT seek anyone's approval and popularity and he is doing what he loves the most.
@@AlexandraAndStuff He's perfectly comfortable NOW as an adult, but growing up in Theseus' shadow probably made Newt not his biggest fan. Newt is happy how his life is now, but, as we muggles now, childhood rivalries can last a lifetime, even if they get past it as adults. Personally, I think Newt is the stronger of the two when it comes to magical ability - they certainly use their abilities differently in their lives. Plus Theseus is a warrior and Newt loves all creatures, great and small, not a "best buddies" situation even if they are brothers.
@@krisgonynor689 fair point
I always thought he was on the autism spectrum
And a potential problem, which may come to bite them later, is given in the example of the relationship between Albus and Aberforth. Albus was not a particularly good brother to Aberforth. If Albus had been a better brother, maybe some of what happened with Credence/Aurelius would not have turned out so badly. Will Newt act in a similar way toward Theseus? From this movie, it seems that Newt and Theseus are getting along better.
So, in real mythology, manticore is a basket-term for mixed creature of 3 or more existing creatures. So the manticore in the book is probably just the most common version in the wizarding world
It seemed a lot like a blast-ended skrewt, what with the many scorpion tails that shoot fire from them...
@@insertclevernamehere1186 also, Blast-ended Screwts are half manticores 😁
Maybe based on size it is a manticor mixed with dragon.
I think if magical beasts existed there would be different types of the same beast. Like cardinals are a type of bird but there are different species of cardinal, and those different cardinal species have different subspecies of that version of a cardinal.
The term “real mythology” got a chuckle out of me. But was pretty much coming to the comments to say the same thing….the only manticore that I can think of that is unique is a Chimaera…though that might be due to it having 3 separate animal heads (Lion in front, goat facing backward, and snake head tail)
The reason some of the beasts aren't in the book is because in universe Newt published the book between film 1 and 2. So all beasts that we don't allready know from film 1 that are in film 2 & 3 aren't in the book because Newt never encountered them before. At least that's what I think
but he's already familiar with them before the movies
@@magica3526 but why would he write about how to care for a creature he never enountered so he qould just be copying others work.
I agree but also, I think Newt is aware enough to know that some creatures are truly dangerous and are better left alone or people are aweful enough to abuse certain creatures for their abilities like their theory about the Zowu(however thats spelled?
That's a good way for them to backpedal but if the story was created to completion from movie 1 of this series, then all of the creatures should be in the books. It feels like they're changing things as it continues with the hope that the audience will just go with it. At least they got the actor for Grindewald right finally. Mads is awesome.
Assuming the little creatures are baby versions of the big one in the pit, then Newt has encountered them “once before - in a laboratory setting” and, thus, the results of his mimicking experiments were “inconclusive” - but that could have been after the 1st edition was published
I loved the film but I can’t lie I was just a little disappointed with the explanation for Aurelius. I still liked what they chose for his backstory but I definitely prefer your Philosopher’s Stone/Obscurus theory in every way. It just fits with how foolish and arrogant Dumbledore was when he was young. He thought he could do anything. And there’s consequences for that notion. God it would’ve been so perfect.
Me too. It'd had been more mindblowing to watch.
I fear they might've simplified the explanation for the general audience. I was disappointed too. When I got out of the theater, I thought, _well that didn't feel like it was written by Rowling_
And turns out, according to David Heyman, Kloves was the one to write the final script, based on the latest draft Joanne did. Long story short we got this. Simplification is fine, but this one's oversimplified, IMO.
@@Crafyeet I’d rather get a more simplified explanation, that still held a lot of emotional value, over J.K. Rowling getting anymore work. I can’t wait for her to almost entirely lose her platform. If it was up to me I would honestly hire SCB. Their ideas are ridiculously good. Maybe they would be bad script writers, I don’t know them personally, so maybe they should be brought in to give general ideas. Cooperation.
@@AustinNGrayson Well bad news for you pal, she's not going anywhere. You may disagree with her political views, but she created this world and does own it. Even if she's not coming back to write 4 and 5 (which I think is impossible), she's still generating cash.
@@Crafyeet Can you imagine having the audacity to think your opinion means more than the person that created the entire fictional universe 😂
1. Newt and Theseus- because Theseus is Newt's foil. Theseus is a war hero, an auror, and was engaged to Newt's first love. Which makes things....*Awkward*. Newt in comparison is a sweet, gentle nurturer of misunderstood creatures himself deeply misunderstood and loath to resort to violence. They're competing models of masculinity.
2. Once again, Welsh confounds us all. Aberforth in Welsh means something like "From the river drawn". There's your prophecy solved. Interestingly "Arianna" is Welsh for "Silver," "Aurelius" is latin for "Gold". It strikes me that Albus' greatest regret in life is "Silver" while Aberforth's is "Gold". Artfully clever twist there.
To add to the last one I wonder why Aberforth is the only one who is not named after a colour and if that maybe means something.
For Theseus and Newt: I love how you're phrasing that. I will say, though: I would say that they're contrasting models of masculinity, rather than conflicting. As awkward as Newt and Theseus are, they do clearly love and respect each other for those differences. It's a wonderful sibling dynamic.
absolutely competing models of masculinity: the marriage material, and the dude who gets mercy f*** ...
I wonder then if Aberforth is going to have a larger role in future movies, taking some form of leading role against Grindelwald? Trying to Avenge his sons death? - Is Credence dead? He was dying and Aberforth took him home - which we are meant to assume is taking him home to die, but I don't trust anyone is dead in fiction unless they die on screen and sometimes not even then.
@@MarikaLagervall Honestly I get major Moses vibes from Aberforth's name.
My biggest question was why Dumbledore transfigured his scarf in Buthan into a curtain and left it there in some random alley.
yeah lol that confused me so much, especially since they didn't do anything muggles shoudn't see and if they did, someone could've easily seen them from another side
I think Grindlewald supporters that were looking for them pass by on the other side
It was just too look cool bro. For cinematic purpose to use more cgi
Actually if you look at the fight scene with Hicks and Newt brother you can see it being used on the henchmen they are fighting.
I was so confused by this as well
As a person with an older sibling who is clearly the favorite of like....everyone, I can definitely say I get the Newt thing. Like do I love them? Sure. Do I like spending time with them? Generally no. Would I risk my life to save them? Without question. Do I want them hanging out with my friends? Absolutely not.
Except, the irony of Newt’s situation is that Jacob (his best friend) considers Theseus a friend too. Add that Lally was clearly flirting with Theseus on the train, and they arrived to the wedding together. Newt is just going to have learn how to deal with it. Especially, since his brother is one of the few people who puts up with his quirks.
You just said exactly how I feel about my older sibling……😂
Lol call the wahmbulance. I'll never understand how one could be so mentally weak. Be confident in who you are. Get over it.
I was once accused of being “the favorite” when we were kids. Now I am 30 and my brother is 27, and I would take a bullet for him without hesitation. I love him unconditionally. But we do bicker and fight like Theseus and Newt because we are very different people in terms of personality. I think Theseus and Newt are being setup for a nice sort of “reconciliation” in a later film.
Isolt Sayre was a Parselmouth. She just did not know it. She even talked to a serpent when she was first in North America. Gormlaith Gaunt was her aunt and could also speak to serpents.
exactly that's were my first thought went and she had twin girls am i not correct?
@@sh3soCLASSY Isot Sayre definitely got two daughters, but one of them is a no-maj, and the other one never married or had children.
@@iris220 the daughter who possesses no magical abilities wouldn’t be a no-maj since her mother is a witch, by definition she’d be a squib. Squibs can still pass on the “wizard gene” that’s literally why muggle borns are a thing. It is highly possible that if she had children and later grandchildren that at some point the magic resurfaced
@@iris220 neither of her daughters were squibs, her husband was the no maj
@@SarahZi1998 Yes, you are right. But I still have no idea which generation of Gaunt's family should be Credence's mother.
#1 Unanswered question...
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Seriously Aberforth, WHAT'S WITH THE GOATS?!?!
Credence’s mother is a goat.
The real question is why
@SuperCarlinBrothers keep mispronouncing Aberforth.
@@ConstanzaRigazio Aren't they American? Americans mispronounce everything!
Being a brother, and J and Ben being brothers, I would think that the explanation of the rift between Newt and Theseus is pretty straightforward. Newt has classic little brother syndrome where the older brother can do no wrong, and is praised by being the first to do all the things, the you throw in Leta and things get even more complicated as Newt doesn't know how to express his feelings and Theseus isn't blind and swoops in being the cooler, older, war hero that he is. And Newt never forgives him. Within the Wizarding World we see the Dumbledores, the Weasleys, and the Scamander Brothers. All of which show varying degrees of family dynamics but most commonly disassociation.
I thought it was pretty straight forward too about "beef" between Newt and Theseus.
1. Siblings rivalry dynamics.
2. Theseus being older brother patronizing Newt, not taking him seriously, overbearing him, like he knows better, etc etc.
3. Theseus is confident, war hero, auror. While Newt is socially awkward, shy, care about animals. These two are the opposite of each other.
4. Well, and the all Leta thing. She was Newt's bff in school that he was in love with since, but then at some point she started dating his brother (!) and was about to marry him.
Im a sister and have one sister and I got it.
Yeah, it was pretty obvious to me too. He's the less good looking socially awkward brother with a weird hobby/interest and his brother is a complete chad that stole his girl(and possibly the person he lost his virginity to). I think most people in Newt's position would be resentful.
@@toppaisme Theseus is born in 1888/89. Newt in 1897. Theseus is 8/9 years older.
@@you_already_have_it - It is heavily implied, in the third film, the age gag has been changed. Newt and Theseus now seem to be much closer in age. Theseus, in particular, had to be completely reimagined after Callum Turner was cast.
The biggest unanswered question is how do the dumbledore brothers BLOCK avada kedavra and why does that break the blood pact
Call it fate 😆
you can block avada kadavra with spells like that its just if it hits you your dead except if someone sacrifices for you
@@ToBy11334 love is the strongest spell of all
@@ToBy11334 nope, moody (crouch jr) clearly says that it can't be blocked by any spell, it either misses you or you die. Harry can block voldermort's because of the twin cores but it's the only exception
My theory is that neither of them truly went against one another in that interaction. Grindelwald shot at Credence and Dumbledore shot to counteract the spell but not specifically at Grindelwald at that moment. So they ended up clashing despite the fact that neither of them went against the other directly, which is what I think Dumbledore means when he says to "call it fate" and also the reason for why the blood pact broke.
I also really, REALLY APPRECIATE more Aberforth in this movie. Giving Aberforth the father role to one of the key characters gives him a great importance emotionally to the story and I always felt that his inclusion in the books was lackluster at best.
Of course that plays into the movie as well, how Aberforth and Albus have a strained relationship due to Albus's success in the wizarding world.
I also love how Aberforht's line just cut out any exposition to the audience. His "I was there" stands up for all of the audience that read the book already and says "we were there, we don't need to rehash the story again to play the pity violin for Albus."
Totally agree with you about the “I was there” line. It was one of those lines of dialogue that made you realize that this film was written by an actual screenwriter. Exposition dumps have no place in film. Steve Kloves had always written Aberforth as someone who does not like talking about Ariana, due to how painful those memories were.
Whereas, JK Rowling used him as an exposition dump, that it seemed out of character even in the book. It was never realistic for Aberforth to tell Harry, Ron, and Hermione about his sister’s condition. It was excusable in the novel, but still a conversation that would never have taken place.
I've interpreted Newt and Theseus' relationship to be this: Newt and Lita were bffs that use to date. They had a falling out of some sorts. They later reconciled but she also ended up dating his brother. Which accounts for the "mildly hilarious " Best Man line of his in CoG. Also, Theseus strikes me as the caring but alittle overbearing older brother. He seems to have never taken Newt's interest seriously (neither did their mother apparently) which has affected their relationship. Add this to the fact that Theseus is basically a rock star and BOOM relationship explained. They love each other but don't really like each other. Theseus thinks Newt is wasting his talents, Newt thinks Theseus takes himself too seriously for a guy who works in an office 🤷🏾♂️. Also, Theseus and Lolly are probably going to end up together. I would love to see a tale of the Scamander cousins lol (Theseus + Lolly's kids & Newt + Tina's kids).
Theseus and Lally are seriously the cutest couple, after Jacob and Queenie. Such a great, badass pairing.
So my unanswered question is this: What has changed in New York since the events of the last movie that allows Jacob and Queenie to marry? They had two senior Aurors watching, it was hardly a secret ceremony…
Well Tina is head of the Auror's office now?
Jacob and Queenie got married illegally in the USA, but their relationship was public knowledge due to Bhutan.
Also, Theseus is British. He could care less about a witch marrying a muggle. It is not illegal where he is from.
It’s called Jacob almost losing Queenie to a wannabe genoicidal maniac.
Also it wouldn’t be good press if the Muggle who was unjustly blamed for an assassination attempt by Grindelwald would be then have his wife imprisoned and memory erased for marring her. The press will have a field day. Especially since he helped take Grindelwald down.
Queenie may have been banned from using magic other than to defend herself and others because of her being a part of Grindelwald's side even though she left him to be with Jacob. This would make her no longer a member of the wizarding community in America which would make it legal for her to marry Jacob. In normal times she would have to break her wand in half, which she may have to do after Grindelwald's defeat.
The prophecy makes sense when the Gaelic/Welsh meaning of Aberforth is "From the river"... From the water. Also is poetic since nobody seems to account for Aberforth.
Wow, how come I haven't heard this mentioned before?! It's very JKR-like to be alluding to Aberforth in that way in the prophecy!
By the way, I love the Forth estuary 💕
The soundtrack for the prison scene is literally called "Manticore Dance".
Also, I think the "water" behind the logo is the same as the spell Dumbledore uses to draw up the temple in Bhutan.
Also, when Albus fights Voldemort he uses water too. Voldemort used fire.
Am I the only one that is wondering what the significance of the mantacore tentacle thing slithering in the Black Lake was about? Like if it grew from that limb is that what everyone was seeing that they called a giant squid?
I’m also wondering if that tentacle becomes the giant squid 🦑
I came into the comments to see if anyone else thought this was the case
Ah, the next best thing after getting a new Wizarding World movie: SCB theories about it! I can’t wait for all your theories! And I’m already on board with this one that Credence’s mother is a Gaunt.
I wonder if you got a theory about when did the Dumbledores know that Credence is Aberforth’s son and how the mirror connection came to be. On MuggleCast they (I think it was Laura) told a theory that Albus and Gellert could have used the same mirror connection in the past.
Also do you think that the Quilin bowing to Albus has something to do with him becoming the Supreme Mugwump later in his life?
Credence’s mother was a implied to be a muggle. Besides, Gaunts are incestuous and marry their siblings.
I feel lie a major theme of this whole saga is about the relationship between siblings. Queenie and Tina, Albus and Aberforth, and Newt and Theseus. Even with the symbolism of the two quilins, and maybe there is something more with Credence and the other baby, but sibling relationships are a big play and I think there will be more to that.
My main question is: Why would the qilin think Albus was "pure of heart"? He's not!
Lots of people I've talked to on and off the internet have said that they thought it was going to bow to either Jacob or Newt.
We don't know anything about, uh, what was her name again? There's an unanswered question: What is this woman like, and is she going to do a good job, and what specifically does she intend to do about Grindelwald - as well as whatever other issues are facing the wizarding world? What were her campaign issues?
Another unanswered question: What the heck was up with that German death prison? They just send various people down there, with no trial, no semblance of justice or due process, and when the little light bug goes out, they just die. Those light bugs don't seem to last very long, so it seems like once you're in, you've got hours to live. Doesn't anyone notice these missing wizards? Doesn't anyone wonder what happened to them? WW2 hasn't happened yet, and Germany already has magical death camps?
I do agree with your questions. Especially that death cell was weird. And Newt of course more or less new about it and how to solve it.
The whole quilin thing was so frustrating. You’ve got a almost-convicted war criminal who happens to have access to the only thing that will grant him an unopposed election to highest office, and no one questions it? No one thinks ‘hey this is too convenient?!’ What was the election process before the magic deer showed up?
Also yes, it bowing to dumbledore was just…awful. And since when does purity of heart mean ‘sound foreign policy’ or ‘good ideas for policy reform’?
I don't think it's exactly that Newt doesn't like Theseus, it's that Newt doesn't like the Ministry and the fact that Theseus keeps pushing Newt to join the Ministry.
I think the way they interract is overblown and folks are reading into it too much. I just finished watching the movie and to me it would be the same way I would interact with my brother. Not everyone is as close as Ben and J are to their siblings. I saw it as "o ya my brother is here too and he does things I am tired of talking about" and they dont hate each other we just dont see eye to eye.
@@usseg - Also, the filmmakers and Steve Kloves completely changed Theseus, in the third film, due to how Callum Turner was portraying him. The way he was written in the two films is quite different. As JK Rowling had a particular image in her head, when coming up with the basic backstory, and could not understand how/why Callum Turner was cast. It is why Theseus acts a certain way, but everyone states the opposite about him, in the second film. What was in the script was not working. Whereas, Steve Kloves wrote the character to fit naturally with the actor and third film. Convoluted backstories that are irrelevant to the story at hand, have no baring on a professional screenwriter.
I told you in another post that (according to my theory 😎) every phoenix was once an obscurus, and becoming an obscurus is what runs in the Dumbledore family (Harry Potter famously did NOT become one). Credence’s phoenix is his aunt Ariana; Creedence himself will, upon his death, arise with wings because he’ll become Fawkes, and come to Albus’s defense. Newt has an obscurus in his suitcase and will figure this out.
omfg I love this idea, I hope they make it true!!!
Now this is a good theory that's not convoluted! Most theories are just waaaay too deep into Potterlore that general audiences wouldn't understand. You're theory everyone could get with minimal explanation. Plus it's excellent, I love it!
What a fun theory! Or that every Dumbledore becomes a Phoenix after they die 🤔 Then Ariana could still be Credence’s Phoenix and Credence could become Fawkes. Harry also thought he saw a Phoenix rising from Dumbledore’s grave.
@@EmmyElenya yes I like that, too
very cool theory
My theory is that Credence’s mom is the daughter who despairs because her child was shipped away by her parents who wanted her pregnancy out of wedlock to be kept secrets. Credence is still the son cruelly banished (by his grandparents). Maybe Aberforth will be the great avenger?
I totally forgot that Nagini was a character until you mentioned her... What happened to her?
She didn't like the FB3 script so bounced off to Albania.
@@ankitdas6620 should have said slithered
The first half hour of “Secrets of Dumbledore” basically was a soft reboot of the series. Since, it virtually erased/condensed the previous two films. This film can be watched without knowing what happened before.
Newt and Theseus do not have any beef. They are just brothers with very different personalities. Honestly, their relationship was one of the biggest highlights of FB3. It was fairly playful sibling banter. Even Jacob got into it with Theseus, on several occasions. He almost seemed like an adopted Scamander, which was incredibly sweet.
PS: Theseus and Lally are totally becoming a couple.
I'm kinda happy about the soft reboot besides the inconsistency, because I could NOT remeber much about Crimes of Grindlewald (only that I was totally confused afterwards)
@@redcactusify2071 - If anything, “Secrets of Dumbledore” is more consistent with the first film and “Crimes of Grindelwald” is what screwed the story up. Like you said, it was impossible to follow and made absolutely no sense. “Secrets of Dumbledore” cut out the dead plot and characters and tied up a couple of storylines to phase those characters out. Meaning, if the franchise continues, the WWII arc will be very streamlined.
@@i.b.640 - You forgot chocolate…. Theseus clearly prefers chocolate.
I wonder if Credence's mother could also be the mother of Merope and Morfin, and possibly the wife of Marvolo. She could have been a Gaunt herself, maybe a cousin or half-sibling or something, given that that was not taboo in their family. It could be that she gave birth to Credence before or after her marriage to Marvolo (likely before) and he could have found out about the half-blood baby and/or affair later on, possibly going as far as to murder her.