Livonia residents: Why were there no sirens to warn of tornado? NWS explains why
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Longtime Livonia resident Jean Priebe was surprised there were no sirens sounding to warn of the tornado that swept through part of the city, touching down for an estimated nine minutes.
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My condolences to the family and everyone who's suffering from this unfortunate tragedy.
When you see the clouds blacken, remember you've been warned. No shelter from my fierce wind because...I Am the Storm - Blue Öyster Cult (1979)
Should watch Ryan Hall or Max volcitey
I know that's right. I watch them and subscribe
Max Velocity saved our lives! The weather channel my Mom watching had gone to bed when the tornados in the northern half of the state tapered off. Because I was watching Max, I knew the Ardmore tornado was headed north, right for us. Called my Mom, and just a few minutes later the siren went off--the tornado was "radar-warned" but they wouldn't issue the warning until it was "spotter-confirmed". Thank God for Max and Ryan!
💯. Glad you brought up RUclips resources. I'm no spring chicken and I watch both! They are right on top of the radar and follow some of the storm chasers too. Max tracked tornadoes moment by moment through West Michigan a couple months ago, with precision.
I live in Livonia, and I pray for the family and the damage, but I wonder why they didn't put on the sirens for high wind.
Because they weren't paying close enough attention and they don't want to admit it. There's plenty more data they can use besides radar. There should be an investigation, particularly since a youngster lost her life and others were crtically injured. Maybe they misjudged conditions for a tornado, but strong winds? Will this be there response for a derecho... "the national weather station didn't issue a warning". SHAMEFUL!!!
Im in Bentonville AR that had memorial weekend tornados. sirens went off before storm crossed the oklamoma border into arkansas. I didnt even know rain was coming and heard the sirens as i was closing things up for bed. How ever month ago we had tornado with no sirens and 10 years ago a short ef1 touchdown with no sirens that they then tried covering up and claiming it was just regular wind that blew the house down without moving plastic patio chairs next door.
They just did the same thing in levelland texas. They are trying to cover it up, but people got pictures, and someone posted the video of it. They can't really deny it now.
@destiny9705 I don't know if they changed it or not, but 1 in rogers by Harbor Freight they were trying say was just wind. Like you can see, this straight narrow line of destroyed houses and businesses in a diagonal path quarter mile long and 2 garbage trucks on its side but the harbor freight building across the street from leveled building untouched. And subway at end of building I used to mow tore apart but rest building okay.
@SgtJoeSmith Yea, that definitely doesn't make sense. Also, I saw other damage that didn't look like straight line winds either there. And a whole uprooted tree flew right through somebody's front window.
That's human nature to make excuses when you don't do your job. Okay, people get tired, they didn't pay close enough attention, whatever. Then shorten their shift and get another manager. Because the best employees have the best managers.
Prayers for the family. How tragic and heartbreaking.
When the weather looks like the way it looked two days ago and moved in that quickly anything can happen. Try to be ready... No point looking for someone to blame...
Those weather professionals should have been paying closer attention, knowing there was unstable air. They have plenty of data at their fingertips: CAPE values, sheer, votility, etc. Simply put, they were sleeping on the job and making excuses "The national weather service didn't issue a warning." PUH-LEASE!!! There was nothing stopping the local weather station from issuing a storm watch and going outside to actually look at the skies or hop in the car to get a better view.
A tornado has to START before it can be detected and a warning issue. But as soon as it starts, it is dangerous. There will always be some small amount of time between the beginning of a tornado, and the warning happening. People can, unfortunately, be hurt and killed in that time. Ms. Anderson from NWS was saying they were receiving radar updates every 4-5 minutes, and the tornado was on the ground for approx 9 min. Plus it was an EF1 - these are definitely dangerous (like all tornados), but not huge. Based on time-on-the-ground and radar update times, it's possible they could have gotten only ONE radar update indicating the tornado during the entire time it was in existence. And the maximum would have been 2 radar updates. Tornado warnings are not automatic. Humans have to see and evaluate the data.
This was a tragedy. But absent any other information, it was just an act of nature that just might not have been warn-able considering our current weather forecasting tech.
apparently the storm was strong enough to produce straight line winds capable of taking down trees. That would have been on Radar for longer then 10 minutes. Most cities sound their sirens for dangerous winds also, not just Tornados. Dallas used its sirens for a Derecho that blew through couple weeks ago. Saved some lives for sure.
Nope. When the conditions are right, particularly if there are high winds associated with the gust front of a storm, a storm watch can be issued. When the storm becomes visible, they know the windspeed. High winds are enough to trigger a storm warning and activate the sirens. You don't need an actual tornado touching down to save lives by getting people indoors.
So sorry to hear this. My childhood stomping grounds.
So the Livonia emergency doesn’t hit the alarm until the National service tells them to
Yeah, and that's not how it's supposed to work, as you and I know.
Radar systems need to be updated, many areas don't have adequate coverage.
It was just updated doesn't need to be updated why do you think it needs to be updated it does not need to be updated
I can't see everything because we live on a globe
Why is there not a law to test warning systems often and some one not informed to act from local authorities
Our sirens in Livonia test EVERY first Saturday of the month at 1PM. It may seem like it's not often but due to us not being that much of a prime target area for tornadoes to occur often, most places around us feel that testing only monthly instead of weekly is enough. A place like Lenawee County, Michigan for example only tests their sirens once a year (IF they ever do) and they are more likely to get tornado outbreaks than us residents of Livonia. Ironically, most of the time when our sirens actually DO sound off for a real emergency, the outcome usually turns out to be less severe than what we think could've happened.
I bet that old lady is the 1 that called the cops on me for no reason
Wait how did it hit with no warning don't they have weather sirens
They do but a tornado warning was never issued.
I know
Watch the video, silly.
Because it didn't show up on radar I said in the video nothing nobody get done that's a dumb comment
Because they were not doing their job. Radar is only one of many indicators that a violent storm is developing. If there were a gust front, they would know that too. Sirens can be activated even if there is no tornado.
Aren’t they suppose to activate the sirens when there are straight line winds of 60 mph? Someone messed up big time. This seems to happen a lot in Michigan …. Where the sirens don’t go off. Feed me more bs
I would hope so. Particularly in the summer when people are outdoors and there's more potential debris: charcoal or gas grills, picnic tables, lawn chairs, garden tools, etc.
Sirens are only meant for people outside and should never be your primary source for warnings. We are all responsible for our own individual safety. Most of these storms have many hours and even days of advanced warning. Everyone should have a few ways of getting warnings, including a NOAA weather radio.
Weather related incidents cause a huge number of injuries and deaths every year, and people still continue to ignore the weather, have a "can't happen here" attitude, and mock meteorologists because they understand little to nothing about the weather. If you don't bother to check the weather for 30 seconds a few times per day, then you aren't taking your own safety and that of your family, seriously.
Way to victim blame someone who just lost their child who could've just you been a sleeping human
@@brysoncherry9884 It's not victim blaming at all. This happens all the time, because people refuse to take weather safety seriously. This will continue to happen for the exact reasons I mentioned. Sometimes the truth hurts. Like people who ignore rip current warnings.
Agreed. They should have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and heeded the warnings and been more aware. Now the victims are whining. Only God can decide if sirens will be installed. Otherwise it’s up to the Free Market. Prayers for all. Jesus lives. Unamerican whiners. Can’t anyone take responsibility for themselves anymore? I personally lobbied for removing sirens to save costs. At least we are maximizing tax profits. True dollars. God is my witness. Is He yours?
@@wokemillenial8114 Just stop it already. Trolling is fun, I get it, but people died. People DO need to be more weather-aware and take responsibility. But removing sirens? Don't be stupid. Just stay off our side, okay?
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People have become so use to being warned ,that they have been dumb down . Think about it.
Your car tells you when you're running low on oil , your tires are low , beeps when something is behind you , etc
Siren warnings are very important , but so is just observing for yourself.
As Bob Dylan once sung , " you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows " .
People have got to become more self sufficient and aware.
When the power grid goes out for good , you're going to need to know how to get by without electricity. Prayers to all those hurt by yesterday's tornado. Just be careful out there , don't wait for anyone else , do what you feel you need to do.
Sirens were undergoing
routine maintenance
People need to watch out for thselves.
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That tornado was so close to me 😪
Just like levelland texas and Tyler texas. What are they doing? Smh no good excuse. Pray to God.
Tornado took out the Siren towers first ,
Omg 🙏
Somebody turned off the sirens .Get whoever turned them off
Where did you hear sirens were turned off? There wasn't any warnings given. Stop spreading false information. Did you not watch video, or comment first? 🤷
Why no alert 🚨 on phones or sirens on if they are working file a lawsuit for damages! Stay alert people use your own senses check the weather patterns for yourself, the wicked will not sound the alarm when tornadoes tsunamis earthquakes or any other major events that are coming inland.
There’s NO excuse!
Absolutely!!!!
No one can know all the time. One popped up near Dundee a few years ago. It started at an intersection in someone's yard. The spot can be seen still. Made its way down one road. No warning, just came out of the sky.
Not possible to detect all of them. People need to be weather aware and not totally dependent on electronics.
NWS have been failing this whole season. I track storms a lot and there have been times when there have been radar indicated storms that were not warned at all. Also, NWS weather radios have been failing all over especially in areas where tornadoes have been most prominent, like OK and TX.
They didn't care because of the area the area is a lower middle class area for a rich area funny how I guarantee you they would have sound the alarms right when the major severe thunderstorm weather hit. However as a citizen of Livonia I can say firsthand they don't care about the lower middle class series of the city so if that tornado is coming down there and if we're having bad thunderstorms and whatever they're reluctant to siren anything know they will wait till it hits the upper class the areas and then they hid out of siren outside of that unless the thunderstorms are going to be severe in the upper class rich areas the sirens have not gone off before and this is another incident where their prioritizing when they want to send out that siren if you look at Hawaii they're literally intentionally picking when they're going to put the siren on it shouldn't matter what the weather forecaster said because we all saw and we all stood there and ran and took cover in our houses in Livonia off of 7 Mile and Middlebelt I can tell you right off the back cuz that's where I live and we all ran in our houses and took cover because we knew something wasn't right and even up to that when we saw what's going on with the sky did we hear a siren no because well that I said a lower class in lower middle class neighborhood areas so for them it was in a big deal wasn't worth their time and energy to send out a siren because well unless the forecast weather service issues the thing for the tornado we're going to put a siren out there because this is the lower middle class everyone for themselves they would rather have it destroy our neighborhood so that they can put expensive housing there that's unaffordable living but if it were happening in the Richer areas first and foremost we all know for a fact they would do something about it and this is why many Livonia in the lower middle class and lower class areas of 7 Mile Middlebelt area are sick and tired of our city wasting your tax dollars on unnecessary stuff and not sounding the alarm when there's going to be severe weather because of the certain area that it's going over so if it's the wealthy areas I guarantee if someone's going to go off if it's not and it's just a lower class. They're not going to sound the alarm why because we're not worth anything to our city of Livonia and it's very evident by again what has happened this time around
That has nothing to do with it.
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I'm actually just mad at the city's incompetence on this. That's the "climate change" we're going to experience. A climate of incompetent DEI hires in every critical infrastructure location.
Weather manipulation
Manipulation by humans burning stuff.
Probably HAARP.
Because the Weatherman need to be fired
That would be stupid. 😂
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Dont people pay attention in their own homes?
No, they seldom look outside.
Somebody is going to get fired over this. A tornado watch or warning in effect and you are doing maintenance on the sirens. Bad judgment call you meteorologists. Just quit your jobs if you are not helping save lives. Leave this stuff to the storm chasers.
There was nothing on the radar wasn't that much energy in the storm didn't look that bad no one to blame nobody needs to get fired they did the best job they could blame nobody you need to think before you comment that's the dumbest comment I heard all day
Use common sense all it takes for you to look at the sky and you will know
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God is the unmoved mover, and knows nothing. an innocent 2yo boy is dead! omniscient my ass!
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No one accept responsibility
BS
Be nice it's not BS at all you don't understand the weather
Lots of areas are changing their sirens to nuclear sirens. Russia has three warships n a nuclear sub going to Cuba.
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