Developer of graffiti-covered skyscraper in downtown L.A. may be forced to clean it up
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- The Los Angeles City Council will meet Friday to vote on a proposal requiring the developer of a graffiti-covered skyscraper complex downtown to clean up and secure the property. The motion, which Councilmember Kevin de León introduced on Feb. 2, would give China Oceanwide until Feb. 17 to comply or face further discipline.
The Oceanwide Plaza development, which has sat incomplete since January 2019, gained national attention after being heavily tagged with graffiti appearing on more than 25 floors. The complex has become such a hot spot for taggers that police had to step up security even after making several arrests.
KTLA’s Rick Chambers reports on Feb. 9, 2024.
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Lol, if they could not pay to finish, where do you think they will get the money to clean up.
My point exactly
The city and Huizar had no problem taking money from the chinese developer for permits and “fees”.
genius..Chinese or not, anyone that builds has to pay those fees !
City can’t fight the crime and now it’s finding ways to blame
@user-xs3os3ez5h wow! The person that you're responding to, took a conservative stance and you call them a liberal. Your lack of understanding of politics is embarrassing.
Tents and syringes all over the sidewalks. But some spraypaint makes the "City leaders" lose their minds and "take action".
LOL.
They should move all the homeless people to live there in that building. What is the city going to do, give them a citation?
Why doesn’t the city take it over and make it affordable housing?
Hell no. Affordable housing should not be built on prime real estate. Look in the high desert where land is cheap. Beggars can’t be choosers
A city can't seize abandoned property and use it to help people. They can only arrest artists trying to do something beautiful with abandoned property.
Seriously, you want the government to manage the area it rules over and use it's authority to help people? That would be socialism!
@@eric1302But choosers can be beggars!..
@@eric1302 build it in LA the high desert doesn’t want those bums here!
Because by “city” you mean us, the taxpayer. Why would I pay for affordable housing for illegals and drug addicts in DTLA while my own cost of living is higher than ever?
Why don’t people think before they ask stupid questions?
The taggers should squat at the buildings and say it’s there home. Then the city would have to give them a 30 day eviction notice and then take them to months long court
Without a Certificate of Occupancy it is not a "home", so it wouldn'[t require an eviction notice.
Simple, really, when you think it thru.
Abandoned buildings are on clearance 60 percent off
Even with a discount, still 10x the price of other buildings in the country
Only Security Guards who are members of Chinese PLA should guard that property
Not on US soil .
If only real estate law required at least half time residence in the state in order to buy/develop land/property....the laws must be changed if we expect change.
That’s not a good idea. Investors come from different states all the time. Their investments are good for the city and bring jobs. Go after the criminals not the victims.
@@luckyu521yeah so far this investment has been greatly beneficial to its community. You're right tho, it did bring jobs, now someone's gotta clean it up LOL
@@luckyu521yeah but the Chinese take advantage of it, and buy streets and streets of houses and rent them out for $$$$$$$$$
@@luckyu521yeah but the Chinese take advantage of it, and buy streets and streets of houses and rent them out for $$$$$$$$$
@@Lulusvideos1 So does Zillow and US hedge funds
L.A. is an eye sore!
I second this. Tired of all of the complaints. If you don't like it then leave, quit, go away quietly, otherwise there are some of us here for the fight. L.A/California is an "eyesore" because of what exactly? The homeless? Do some research and you'll find the state with the 4th largest economy in the world is funding and taking care of people from all over the u.s because the armpit that is the Midwest and all other states not named NY, Florida and Texas can't provide for their own residents thus are being shipped to warmer climate states that can harbor these poor folks. A good 60-70% of the homeless are transplants. What's happening in my beautiful state is a symptom of the country, not an isolated issue. So next time you insult my state understand this, we are the largest contributor to federal funding all the while taking in some of the lowest. We fund the U.S, we allow you to have a privileged life. Don't be mad at California, be mad at whatever state you may live in because it is a drain on us @@omi_god
These Chinese developers received their permanent resident visas and they're GONE! Maybe to come back when the market is more favorable... Chinese developers slow-roll ALL the projects they're involved with here in Southern California! They take FOREVER to complete, and construction comes in spurts sometimes a year in between phases! They try to do EVERYTHING on the cheap usually using shoddy non-union sub-contractors wherever they can! PAN CONSTRUCTION is a big-time China state-backed general contractor that does a ton of work here in the San Gabriel Valley and ALL its jobs are run like that!! Pretty sad!
If the foreign company that owns this isn’t going to do anything about it the city needs to seize it and turn it into housing for the thousands of people that need it. There’s space there and you can even have offices for social services.
Yep whole button area could hold 2 organizations, its that large in size.
it would take a billion dollars to finish. Do you have that kind of dough??
@@shelbynamels973No but as munch money goes into basketball stadiums and other crap, can equally go into a housing project.
@@NathanielClay The NFL needs to include affordable housing as part of their new stadium projects. that needs to be a law.
its an embesrasment that war vets are on ethe street wtf !!!! more than 5 plus years later
They rather have an empty building vandalized than to house homeless vets
Who actually owns it? The developer went belly up so the bank? Can they eminent domain it?
Yup, that doesn't make sense, thinking the same thing.
They could, but LA city council knows that then the problem would be theirs.
They should force the developer to sell the property. It’s such a waste.
To whom?? To use for what??
"they" should reverse the policies that lead to this type of behavior. There's entire sections of the city that make this building look tame
To an American @@shelbynamels973
Clean up??? Go ask every building owner in LA to remove their graffiti off their buildings 1st
Chinese developers
no wall or partitions yet..just a big vacant floor
If you aren't going to build a tent city in the desert for the homeless as I suggest, take over these buildings, and make them homeless accommodations!😎✌🗽🗽🗽🗽🗽🗽🗽🗽
@1st4mendment These condos couldn't be for the crazies, it would need to be for those people, and families that want to work, and just need time to get back on their feet. The crazies would be throwing each other off the balconies. 😅
@@omi_god It may be to the owners benefit to take them over, and they could be finished to a much lower standard than originally planned for. It's just an idea should the owner refuse, or not have the funds to to fix the place up, and continue security on the site. You have any better ideas?✌😎🗽
If the Chinese developer (that is now defunct) refuses to respond to the City of LA's requests to maintain and secure their property, then Eminent Domain can be invoked since it's essentially been abandoned.
The city could then secure the sites, remove the graffiti, and then fast track an auction to sell it to a developer. The cost of cleanup and providing security can be recouped after the auction. This could take months though, unfortunately. Plus the sites are incomplete and might require up to $1 billion to finish.
This can still be profitable though considering the towers being mostly finished and only the interior being incomplete. It would be better than building from scratch. This could also make much needed housing available.
who's gonna pay for that?
No one wants commercial real estate right now. Good luck, that guy was full of HOT air.
Those chinese even paying the property taxes on that?😂
That's the narrative that everyone isn't discussing. Chinese developers can do whatever they want with buying and sitting on property even at the detriment of using that space for more civic and city improvement to give better rental rates for poor working class people or homeless and clean the streets, it's all about Let's get everyone to focus on "taggers" that are ruining some Rich Chinese person's ego.
GL finding anyone that is willing to clear the liens & rehab a 5 year abandoned building. is it even structurally safe anymore?
God forbid they put the criminals in prison
Sorry but that doesn't happen nowadays
The US has more people in prisons than anyone else already
@@omi_godmaking you pay for vandalizing something that doesn’t belong to you which you couldn’t then putting you in prison for making people who pay taxes pay for your child drawings. Pay a bill it might help you understand.
..respectfully, i understand why trump said no more chinese investors....iykyk...and at first i was hesitant, but if its just there dilapidated and taking up valuble commercial space than yea, they need to pay to clean it up....lowkey they do this to lower our real estate values...they buy houses raise up the rent and/or leave them empty and it has systematically plundered us...hitting us in the pocketbooks
Taggers turned an eyesore into a landmark.
Tag Tower must remain as is.
🙏💯
the media coverage made it a piece of history
I agree, I drove by the other day since it's been making the news. No one seemed to notice or care before that. Now cops and security all over loI. i say leave it be. And let the artist paint. And tip of advice don't trust Chinese business people no matter how many billions of dongs that have 😝
Writers gonna write
How about the government gets the taggers to clean it up.
Truly an idiotic question. This would require specialized hi-rise work. Anybody gets hurt would be the city's responsibility.
And before anybody "gets" to clean up anything, there has to be a charge and a sentence in court.
Any more such bright ideas??
It’s a disgrace to the city
An embarrassment? Come on lady it’s embarrassment for not housing all the homeless from the streets.
Making the taggers clean it up would be a good sentence from the court to avoid jail and billing/FINE for someone else to do it for them.
How do you find the taggers?
LA….? Nobody will be held responsible, jailed, fined, Violent crime is not prosecuted …. this sure will not.!!
@@omi_godLMFAO
@@omi_god as far as I know, hardly anybody got arrested (one guy was on the news in cuffs). And they have to be "caught in the act", or it is simply trespassing.
And how many would you need to finish the job?? Only a fraction of the taggers will ever get identified and prosecuted. So you have a handful to do a job that will take months.
In the meantime, LA is going to be responsible if anybody does fall off and gets killed or injured.
But those are minor concerns. I can tell you got this all thought thru.
@@omi_god You're wrong. The issue is if the city, either by taking over the project from the current owners thru eminent domain, or as part of a sentencing and restitution scheme, forces untrained and unexperienced people to go up those towers and do work under hazardous conditions, it is the city that now becomes liable for any injuries or deaths.
If somebody who is forced by the city to "clean up this mess" (whatever that means) dies as a result, that person's family can and will bring a multi-million dollar suit against the city, and they will win.
Which is OK, because it is your idea, and you will reimburse the city, won't you??
Make the people who marked it up clean it up or give them crazy jail time
.... and have the city assume the risks of someone not trained work on a high-rise.
Yeah, sure, no prob.
Actually the taggers should be forced to do the cleaning.
Vacant since 2019???? Chinese developer???? Downtown across from CRYPTO???????????👀Yea I’m scared of that “SITE” for sure.
Clean it up, place a lien on the eye sore property and then foreclose on that lien to collect your fees by seizing the building and selling it at auction.
everyone who worked on the building is trying to get paid, but no one knows who to sue. lol this is all on city hall.
@@brucesamia6353 agreed!
Until that day comes, the city would then have the responsibility, both for upkeep and any injuries to trespassers. They don't want that.
As it stands right now, the building is worthless. the city knows this. they couldn't sell, they'd have to pay someone to take it off their hands.
Ok people, now the news is out. First come first serve. I’ll take the 3rd floor. 😅
Listen, “The unpaid security company are gone!” did you hear that? 😊
Who is the bank? Why has it not been foreclosed and auctioned off? Why did the city wait so long? Why didn't the city put in security, they do this when they perform taking someone's property and they charge the property owner for the security. They are asleep at the wheel until they found out if they took it over it would cost them $1 billion. If they take someone's property for small amounts why not the big one?
That's the trick that Chinese investors do. Make the mistakes and have the city tax payers clean it up. It's about a poor investment and now the blame is shifted on taggers instead of the millions of dollar mistakes that "investors" thought was a great idea to giant buildings of concrete that serve no purpose, current market needs and the city (tax payers) will have to pay to remove it (not developers)
they should have other criminals clean that up. its not the developers that are doing vandalizing. its the stupid southern cal. and there weak laws.
But The developers ARE vandalizing the streets with these billion dollars abandoned luxury apartments and entertainment centers.
Little grasshopper: That's the narrative that everyone isn't discussing. Chinese developers can do whatever they want with buying and sitting on property even at the detriment of using that space for more civic and city improvements to give better rental rates for poor working class people or homeless and clean the streets, it's all about Let's get everyone to focus on "taggers" that are ruining some Rich Chinese person's ego.
Why would they clean it up if they weren't the ones to do it?
Pretty simple it was the building owners job not to leave it unfinished and at least lockdown the site
Whats simple is this people who did this should clean it up. @downfromtheunderground
@@kiddadd not happening 🤣
Ah yes, they have no time to clean up the millions of homeless camps but a building with some tagging. LOL 911- emergency there's taggers help! :P
Lol the Chinese developer is gonna tell them to flip off lol
Chinafornia On The Right Path
Wow we really let foreign companies build things here, that’s crazy.
I surprise squatters haven't moved in.
Probably have. The graffiti just more interesting 😂
Here’s an idea: How about go after the criminals not the victims which in this case are the bankrupt developers
No, the Chinese don't need to do anything with it. The Chinese didn't want the building so let it be.
I don’t understand why it’s taken so long to do anything about the vandalism? As soon as the first tag was seen on the windows the entire site needed to be shut down as tight as a max security prison. I’ve seen numerous holes in the fencing & many other points of entry. Why the delay until all the floors are tagged? How long before the 1st person falls to their death & LA is sued. You see tags on windows where there is only a narrow ledge to stand on. Crazy. But it’s a competition to the vandals. But someone is going to fall to their death.
Why don’t the taggers have to clean it up? 🤔🤨
Isnt kevin de leon the dude everyone hates? 😂😂😂😂
Graffiti removal is usually done by sandblasting when it's on a wall or something. This graffiti here is on glass. There is no sandblasting glass. These windows will need to be replaced.
There are chemicals that dissolve spray paint. A paint thinner like acetone is one of them. There are also proprietary chemical agents that work well specifically made for graffiti removal and don't require sand blasting.
Or just paint it over it in solid color.
@@stevegonzo2091 Possibly. But if it's done with a eye toward eventually selling these units, it would have to look like there never was any graffiti - at all.
How else could anybody be expected to pay top dollar if they enjoy the view thru windows with the faint outline of what used to be there.
I low key find it as poetic street art.
The lender probably foreclosed on those buildings already!
We shouldn't let any foreign corporation from building and owning any US property. But that would require uncorrupt government officials to pass any commonsense law like that.
Yeah clean it up, so they can re-tag it
Owner can just say no its okay they can tagg and problem solved
This is Musium quality work
So this same city council gets caught saying that them as Hispanics have been redlining black communities that are left, out of LA. And not one have been brought up on charges?
So the Chinese Developer gets to just walk away? Government is ineffective. With all of the homeless, no one can devise a plan to utilize these buildings?!
Real Estate Collapse in progress
If they are paying the property dues…then they should pay
Graffiti is a real art - provocative and showing grey reality of surroundings
"eyesore"? If it were Banksy you'd be trying to scheme how to profit.
True dat!! 👏😁👏😁😆😆😆
Well it would look good, for one. This looks terrible
I was gonna say the same. Crappy work! @@Hiiamsamm
CITY IS TO BLAME!!
INSPECTORS HAVE THE RIGHT AND ARE SUPPOSED TO SECURE BUY EMINANT DOMAIN OR BOARD UP PROCESSES.
IF THE BUILING BURNS, COULD COLAPSE AND CAUSE DAMAGE TO SURROUNG PROPERTIES!!!
DO YOUR JOB!
*REGARDLESS OF IF THE DEVELOPER IS ON TOP OF IT.
DISCUSTING!
GREAT L,A .... SHOW THE PUNKS AROUND THE WORLD, THATS ITS OK TO WRECK STUFF.
THE CITY LET THIS HAPPEN.
*THIS IS WHY I LEFT L.A.
FIRE INSPECTORS FOR NOT SECURING WITH FENCE. BILLL THE DELVOPER LATER... SIMPLE....
THE BIGGINING OF THE END HAS BUGUN. LORD HELP..SOME OF US...
WOW,
The developer should be forced to finish the project. If they're out of money, borrow it.
Oh god, what do we do? I guess the city of LA will have to take over the building and charge the tax payers for it. Who could have guessed? Poor city of LA, inheriting chinese buildings on the US taxpayers dollar. Let's all send thoughts and prayers out for LA, and to the future owners that buy the building from LA at pennies on the dollar, after the taxpayers have already foot the bill
Wtf is taggers and tagging???
😂 Newbies new to California, haven't seen Los Angeles full of graffiti from freeways to buildings. Nothing news here, just that graffiti have a better high-rises billboards view.
I'm surprise George Gascon has charged him and the Woke Sheriff hasn't arrested him.
LA is just a mess. What the hell happened. It used to be the best state to live in 10-15 years ago.
Maybe clean up the type of people who want to graffiti. That city is getting over run by guys who are trying to be like their famous neighbors and act like gang members. It’s spreading, I would do a community sweep just look around on who’s acting the toughest and throw them in jail 😂 nothing makes sense anymore so 🤷♂️
Get people charged with traffic or other crimes to do community work and clean it up or find the grafitti artist & let them clean it up but the development needs to b completed. Not just sit there.
Why are we selling land in USA to Chinese developers? That’s a better question.
Cause rich people can get away with almost anything while the working class tax payers are usually stuck with the bill.
Why clean up the building if it’s going to continue to sit abandoned.
city crews cleaning up the mess? Probably take a decade. They can’t even properly clean the streets. Are you serious?
I live in DTLA i thinks its BEAUTIFUL HIP HOP!!
And you are what is wrong with LA and the laughing stock of America.
They haven't paid the workers that build it what makes them think they will come to clean it up.
Nobody can afford the taxes
This is the problem with rising cost of living in LA. Wealthy people from other countries come in and buy up our land and inflate prices and gentrify everything.
That is result of US in 34 trillion dollar debt.
Good luck getting them to clean it up.
Graffiti is an eye soar. Try graffiti in China, Japan, Korea etc. And see what happens homies.🥳
Leave it alone
Blue state problems
It's been broke how they gonna pay for it 😂😂
All of the graffiti through out the south land and not a peep but a couple of buildings in downtown get tagged and all hell breaks loose.
The property value 5 miles around that area should be plummeting....
How is that an eyesore. The entire city of LA is covered with graffiti, it's not anything different than seeing graffiti on every block. It's more like rich wealthy property got graffiti that seems to be the problem.
Why was this “highly desirable luxury” piece of real estate never finished? Somebody got too greedy, maybe? 🤑
poor investment and now the blame is shifted on taggers instead of the millions of dollars of mistakes that "investors" thought was a great idea. Let's blame the taggers for making a poor investment decision that will create giant buildings of concrete that serve no purpose and the city (tax payers) will have to pay to remove it (not developers)
@@lovethieves1383 Yup, the Need for Greed, backfired. You actually just helped this abomination to perfectly blend in with all the other buildings. 🎨
@@lovethieves1383well the pathetic taggers should have never touched it in the first place so they couldn’t blame them.
As if LA in general wasn't already an "eyesore"
An "eyesore?!" Give me a break. Have they given these artists medals yet? This is a damn masterpiece. It's a human accomplishment the likes we've never seen before! "An eyesore?!?" "Vandals?!?!" More like ARTISTS & SAVANTS. Give these people the building and let them divvy up the cash they get when they sell this paragon.
2nd grade scribbling is a masterpiece to you?
This is why there needs to be regulation on Chinese "developers" and speculators. They are ruining California.
The abandoned part of the story is not an issue but paint is.
Incompetence....
City should buy it and build affordable housing
only a priority to clean up when it makes the news..
They have them on video ( News Stations ) 🤔 doing it and did nothing
lol. Good luck… they ran out of money
Florida doesn’t let the Chinese buy up real estate. Now you know why
I've always considered taggers as mama's boys who are cowards and only come out at night and cause so much damage.....punks
I thought they went bankrupt how are they going to get them to pay
Benefits the economy hurts nobody
Newsomes house of horrors.
It's definitely an eyesore.
Leave it up there, they are making art out of rubble
giant tvs showing ads a way bigger eyesore
Eminent domain, y'all.