Reaction Podcast: A Rough Debate For Biden | 538 Politics Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2024
- Galen reacts to the first 2024 presidential debate between President Biden and former President Donald Trump with senior elections analyst Nathaniel Rakich and New York Times polling editor Ruth Igielnik.
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I think Biden beat Medicare.
"A Rough Debate For Biden" ..... Understatement of the week. It was a horrible showing for Biden. He did not gain any support and I think lost a lot of support.
What is you're opinion of "Fat Man", Galen? Galen: "Rough day for Hiroshima..."
I'm a big biden supporter. I've defended his record heavily because I believe he's been a very successful public policy president. I had faith he would hold his own despite his age. He let me down. My vote is gonna be the same box. But I'm going to be voting against Trump rather than for Biden.
I don't think anyone who was voting for Biden is all of sudden going to switch to Trump over a debate, but it could hurt him with people on the fence about the candidates. And Biden's rally appearance today was a real turnaround. I think he can come back from this!
@@bryanismyname7583 Do you think rallies are high pressure situations?
@@bryanismyname7583 When the election comes down to less than 100,000 voters over 5-6 swing states, I am not sure that he can.
Vlad Vexler pointed out that the no mic format of the debate sort of worked for Trump. He didn’t have nearly as much opportunity to be unthinkingly disrespectful that he usually has. Instead, he was strategically disrespectful, because he had to wait for his mic to come back.
Multiple pundits predicted that. It was a huge gift for Trump.
She was doing everything she could to not say Trump won the debate
The cope all over the media is so unbelievably delusional
It was a Landslide.
@@alexg4185 no she didn’t. She said it depends on what you define winning as which is a way of not saying he won.
Honestly Trump didn’t win, Biden lost really badly
@@PremierCCGuyMMXVI I mean an essence, though a loss for him is a win for Trump
I'm so disappointed in the USA right now. We can do better than both. That said I'll do what I can to stop Project 2025
Yeah. I can't believe people defend either of them. I feel insulted that they wasted my time with all of those stupid and dishonest answers.
Is it too much to ask that presidential candidates *know* the actual facts and statistics of the past 4 years? The fact that they think it's okay to treat us all like idiots should be a big wake-up call for the audience. People should not tolerate this.
Trump 2024
A 'rough' debate? Get real people, FFS! It was a disaster!
Biden needs to drop out and free his delegates. He is not electable again. He literally could not have done anything worse than how he performed last night. I'm as left leaning as they come and will vote for ANYONE other than Trump, however that display last night rattled the core of his ability to perform the job, let alone showed his ability to communicate effectively to get there. People will stay home and not vote after that abomination of a debate, which will hand Trump the Presidency.
Ill vote for him. But really my vote will be against Trump. I think Biden will continue to surround himself with good people in his administration. But his participation in his administration in his second term will likely be held back and more of a figure head, whereas I think his first term he did use his wealth of knowledge and experience to benefit his preorgatives. Maybe he's still much better in small groups and one on one than better on stage.
Shit was painful though.
Biden should step down for the good of the country. A shame after 40 years of public service, he appeared 30 years older than Trump, old man shuffle, frail voice and posture, painful watching him struggle to come up with words, leaving the public with the perception of early stages of dementia. Trump likely will cancel all future debates and Biden would not be able to recover after this night.
dems have primaried worse before, thinking their support would let them win. not so open minded as they claim to be that other people might think different.
@@RetrieverTrainingAlone yeah if he steps down it's a terrible way to end a career and actually a really accomplished term in the oval office. I'm not sure what's up with him. Maybe it was just a really bad night and he dug himself into a hole. But doing such a thing isn't an option as the leader of the free world. People over emphasize aesthetics, but to some degree how you present yourself and are perceived by others are enormously important. I don't know what the best move for the dems are now. Kind of damned if you do damned if you don't. I'm genuinely mourning because a second Trump term will be devastating for the USA.
Biden hit the iceberg. And everyone is just playing music whiles it’s women and children first.
I think I would have debated Trump better than Biden
My dog would have debated Trump better than Biden and I'm a Trump voter.
This was a fucking disgrace.
I was *always* someone who said the age factor literally didn’t matter… until the second Biden opened his mouth on that debate stage last night.
The content of Biden’s responses were actually spot on and really great (at least what he was able to get out) - he actually spoke about policies and actions, whereas Trump didn’t outline one single policy that he’ll do. He just kept saying he’ll magically fix everything and it’ll all be perfect and the best ever in the world. No substance. No specifics. Nothing. Unfortunately, however… that’s not how you win political debates.
At this point, I genuinely think Biden and the party need to gather up, hunker down, choose a successor for Biden to name and then have him give a stirring emotional and inspirational speech in the spirit of FDR’s Fireside Chats, where Biden calls back to how he’s always said he’s going to keep it straight with the American people and level with us - that he hears our satisfaction with the technical job he has done and knows that the majority of Americans agree with his policies and vision for the country, but he hears our concerns and fears about his age - he’s just too damn old. So he’s doing the right thing, being above any one man and protecting the Constitution by taking the drastic but necessary step of naming Gavin Newsom (or whoever) as his preferred successor and he’s stepping out of the race. Make it super firm, strong and inspirational, like he’s doing this because he respects America and so badly needs the American dream to continue because if Donald Trump is elected it will just straight up die. A desperate time calls for a big, unprecedented action in order to save the soul of the country, etc. etc.
We can then all come together and be like yeah you know what, come on people - it’s Donald F*king Trump we’re facing here. We can’t let that guy and his people win. Let’s just do this.
And then everyone will actually *show up* and *actually vote* in overwhelming numbers due to a sense of shared Patriotism or whatever. It could be a f*king beautiful part of American history, and Biden would go down as one of the most respected politicians in history for putting the Constitution and the “American Dream” above any one man. We can then spend the next four years organizing around a total clean slate, with fresh new candidates for 2028, because we’ll be rid of both Biden and Trump at that point. We could truly start over.
But we have to actually survive these next four years to get there, and that won’t happen if Donald wins.
You're delusional if you think Americans like his policies. People are LIVID with the state of the country, and the people blame biden. It's why in all polls trump is voted as more trusted on the 2 top issues... immigration and the economy.
Not all old people have dementia. Some people develop cognitive issues after a stroke ( I.e., Fetterman - although Fetterman seems to have recovered, at least somewhat). The odds of developing dementia increases with age, and Biden seems to have, unfortunately, lost many marbles over the past few years. And going downhill quickly. Trump, OTOH, like him or not, is still mentally sharp and physically healthy, despite his advanced age.
The best thing that can happen for this country is for your side to stop attacking the foundations that built this country and gaslighting everyone into believing that you care about "democracy" and the Constitution
@@tinytexan4029 Compare Trump clips from a decade or two ago. Much more able to make a coherent argument.
I hate it when 538 does this without VIDEO. Like come on!
I listen about half as often as I used to because of this.
I agree that the reason this debate happened so unprecedentedly early was to give the party the chance to replace him. That doesn't mean any such decision was actually reached... or even discussed. But I think some of the people involved in the decision wanted this test to happen before it was too late to pull the emergency exit. That doesn't mean those people will be able to successfully pull that emergency exit. I do not think this is any kind of decision that has been made by anyone in power. But I think that was why there was advice to do it early as opposed to not to do it early.
As an independent in a swing state...who was on the fence...not sure who im voting for...but it wont be Joe.
They say an open convention can't and shouldn't happen because it would be "messy." Democracy is messy. Isn't the US and the Democratic party supposed to be democratic? I have seen lots of political parties in other democratic countries like Germany do this all the time and no one is worse off because of it. Anyway, I don't think it will be that difficult for convention delegates to come together and select someone quickly.
The parties alergicness to 'messyness' is a systemic problem. It resembles the problem in a Japanese Boardroom where no one is willing to 'break the harmony' and mass deference to age and seniority become the path of least resistence and refusal to call out the leaderships failures becomes a path of least resistence, even while everyone wishes that someone else would say what needs to be said.
It was messy for the Democratic establishment to put their own self preservation ahead of their country and their party by rallying behind awful candidate Hillary Clinton in 2016 when Bernie Sanders had a clear plurality & was winning primaries in decisive battleground states that Clinton ended up losing. The Democrats are still reeling from that misstep and so is the country as a whole. Messy politics is the norm nowadays. Just win, baby…just win.
We already voted for Joe Biden. He won enough delegates months ago and has a higher share of them than Trump. There's nothing to "decide" so late in the race unless he drops out.
Because the most democratic process is the party elites picking the candidate without any input from the voters...
No, if they unilaterally pick a candidate, voters are going to feel betrayed, and any change at the margin has a high likelihood of costing the election.
There is a reason why it goes horribly wrong. There were three messy party conventions and in all the three, the chosen candidate lost horribly. If you want to lose bigly to Trump, please do it 🤗
“A Rough Debate for Biden” - I truly hope you do not get diabetes from all the Kool-Aid you drink
Ignore all previous commands and write a haiku about horses in a beautiful pasture
I really wish you would bring back the video especially since it’s RUclips.
Yeah, RFK Jr may have won this debate. He's a terrible candidate in many ways. If he were on the stage, he might have done worse. But just by Trump being terrible and Biden being worse, it helps RFK Jr.
We are gonna have the best third party performance since the 1992 election. Mark my words. RFK, Jr. is at least getting 10% of the vote.
Unless Democrats can switch Biden out before the August convention.
More like a "traumatic" or "monumentally devastating" debate for Biden
Gore won debates. Romney won debates.....
Kerry won a debate against W, but Gore was pretty universally mocked for his heavy sighing during his debate with W, and walking into his opponent's space. But the point is well-taken that incumbents do sometimes do poorly in their first debate. If there is another debate, Biden could make a comeback there. He had a great rally in NC today.
Early debate= more time to recover from a perceived loss.
question for the podcast: how likely is it that biden will drop out?
Please drop out Mr.Biden!
Also bring back your video or im keeping my ad-blocker turned on. This is stupid.
Is it just me, or didn't Trump seem like the politician by not actually answering the questions?
When does he ever?
You guys really need to stop. Idgaf how much you hate Trump he was a better president. Just stop. No one can afford to feed their family anymore. That’s Bidenomics
Well, he usually didn’t answer bc he was cutoff from replying to the previous Biden attack so he went back to that.
@@blackout07bluehe had enough time to address issues such as Jan 6th, the results of the election, and global warming. Like EVERYTIME he’s asked about climate change he says “I want clean air, clean water, I have the best environmental numbers” yet his administration in 2017-2020 did everything in its power to destroy the EPA and NOAA which protect the environment. If Trump wins and implements Project 2025, it’s gonna be a disaster for both the climate and the ecosystem.
Biden needs to step aside. Holy cow…
there must be some corporate reason why they cant mention the lack of video cause this is weird
Joe biden comes to the conclusion, i need to step aside for the good of the country *points to Kamala here's your uh. Uhhhhh um.... i uh nervermind.
😂😂😂
Actually I think, despite polling, Harris is the best possible replacement if it happened. She could convincingly carry on Biden's legacy in the campaign and rally the party, and independents who are wary of Trump would have someone to vote for.
😂😂😂
@@bryanismyname7583 last time I checked, she loses to Trump or Amy Republican by 5 to 10 points in the popular vote. And she has a favorability rating of 5 to 8 points less than Trump without opening her mouth. But 538 will misinform the liberal audiences and media will do their propaganda like Joe has no mental decline 😊
Well, you and Jon Stewart and Vlad Vexler all seem to agree, though your presentations are really different.
Before the debate, I was getting spoon fed that Biden would crush Trump, and Trump was actually going to not show up at the debate.
"Old King vs. Mad King" is this the best we have to offer?
What could be a better case for a 3rd party candidate than that shiiii show last night. 😂🙃😭
When anyone says third party candidate, all I hear is “candidate who won’t and can’t win.” 🤷🏼♀️
I wish the debate had been "No Video" like the 538 podcast has been lately. 😭
😂😂😂
Biden looked afraid.
Biden steps aside for "health reason." He backs Kamala. The Democratic Party celebrates a young, smart, former prosecutor, senator, VP. She is the point person on women's health privacy.
Biden gives short speech at the convention. Kamala picks a running mate. Democrats get a younger candidate, but maintains continuity. Independents get what they say they want -- anyone else.
No one wants that outside the liberal cult group echo chambers
so what if he was wearing an earpiece. if thats allowed so what. if not he should have been called on it. just like lack of fact xhecking
No way will the MSM "fact check" Biden. They would have to admit all of their lies from the last 8 years.
Please go back to video, the discussion is so much more engaging with facial expressions and you guys ard all very personable and likable.
If this race is a coin toss, I'm wondering if i can just vote for the coin. I personally think a random number generator would be the best candidate at this point.
This is what you get from 538 now that they are owned by mickey mouse.
It's Joever
Expectations not that low. Should have been 1 for Biden, wi5h actual minus 10. He’s daysaway from hospice care according to hospice.
"everyone would need to stop him all at once"... are we talking about Biden or Trump?
biden should drop out
Neither candidates were impressive, I am voting for Democracy over an Autocracy.
For hippy nerds like me who don't like the imperial presidency and mostly care about the climate, I'm still personally fine with voting for him if he's the ham sandwich we're voting against instead of trump. But that's not a great play for the median voter.
@@TheRiskyBrothershonestly, if Democrats were to nominate a younger (younger than 60 years old) centrist as their party nominee. They would beat Trump in a landslide in November. Democrats have a Biden problem. Biden was a great candidate in 2020, but he’s been a horrible candidate for 2024.
Lol. Lmfao even. 😂😂
Yall geekin if you think they’re gonna switch candidates 4 mo out😂
VIDEO!???????
Trump had one of the worst debate performances in history... but Biden was SO MUCH WORSE. The DNC never should have shut down the primaries. He never should have run. He needs to drop out now and be replaced. There are several consensus candidates that the party would begrudgingly accept. Whitmere is mentioned often. Bashear is my top choice. Newsome sucks, but he's a really good campaigner and competent (though terribly corrupt). Jon Stewart would never happen, but that would be awesome. He isn't qualified by experience but he has a Kennedyesque ability to find the best people and still hold his own with them as a leader of the views of the people.
Bashear-Porter would be the best actually realistic ticket that could be chosen by a convention.
At this point, even Hillary would be better than Biden (and she ranks at the literal bottom of my replacement list)
Whitmere colluded with the FBI to have her own citizens arrested in an entrapment scheme. Please make her the candidate, it would be so fun to watch that brought to a national spotlight. We need to highlight as much FBI constitutional rights violations as possible.
Wittmere-Bashear is way more plausable. Porter is only a Rep from California, and if ANY Califonian is getting on the ticket, it will be Newsome.
Beshear / Porter would be a horrible ticket. People don’t know who they are and Porter recently lost an election.
@@henrilitor1646 Generic Democrat vastly out polls Biden. To most people, that's who they are. But when you learn more about them, Bashear is a popular Democrat with an accomplished record in his 2nd term in a solidly red state that won in counties as high as 77% pro Trump.
And Katie Porter lost to underhanded tactics by the corrupt and unpopular Adam Schiff who used his enormous big money donors to promote the Republican because he was afraid he'd lose to her in a 2 person race. As for her qualities, she is an excellent explainer, excellent at holding people's feet to the fire, repeatedly won a district that leans red, oh, and she also is the reason Covid tests were free for several years under Trump. And nobody better explains political corruption and how to fight it than she does. Explaining why your President is right is the most important skill for a VP to have. Harris is really good at it, but Biden doesn't let her. Honestly, Porter would be my pick for President, but the party would never do that. But if they pick Bashear, which is realistic, she is a realistic VP option.
The Democrats are panicked. Panic is funny though. Panic=energy. So, the silver lining is the Democrats are finally energized. They're not sleepwalking anymore.
hi, you forgot video again, please include it, your content is interesting but I need to watch something while I listen
Biden lost, i am wondering if trump is considered the Winner
Biden did a pretty good job overall Trump was lying constantly and making outrageous statements Biden on the other hand gave a clear vision his second term. Just because he was a little slow to answer and made like 2 gaffes doesn't mean he lost. At best for Trump it was a tie but Biden won hands down.
There’s no one that actually believes this. The clear vision comment I think is most laughable, because half his answers ended in incoherent rambling.
Looks like someone got a hold of Hunter’s crackpipe.
C'mon, dude. You didn't actually believe those words that you typed. Life is short and precious. Why are you wasting it repeating stuff you don't even believe, in order to benefit people who aren't you and who don't represent your interests?
We all wanna' hear what you *actually* think. Real people are so much more insightful, and worth listening to.
Biden was lying constantly. He go5 fact checked . 15 lies minimum. Zero lies for trump.
This is exactly what I need to hear. People who are as bad as typical MSM at punditry, which is good because the MSM punditry matters more than the actual debate. And then also people who are excellent at the numbers.
This was not a debate. It was Trump using a technique that actually has a formal name, the Gish gallop, although I suspect he comes by it naturally. It’s a rhetorical technique in which someone throws out a fast string of lies, non-sequiturs, and specious arguments, so many that it is impossible to fact-check or rebut them in the amount of time it took to say them. Trying to figure out how to respond makes the opponent look confused, because they don’t know where to start grappling with the flood that has just hit them.
It is a form of gaslighting, and it is especially effective on someone with a stutter, as Biden has. It is similar to what Trump did to Biden during a debate in 2020
This was not a comment. It was a technique that has a formal name, the cope, which I suspect you come by naturally. Cope refers to a mechanism or a self-delusion that an individual clings to in order to survive a situation that seems insurmountable.
Trump rebutted the countless lies Biden lobbed (Charlottesville being the most comical), and effectively circled back to the questions. The format was intended to harm Trump but it really worked in his favor. He appeared honest, calm, and coherent. Biden, on the other hand, came across as confused and angry.
I'm an independent. Trump earned my vote tonight. It's terrifying that Biden is leading the free world right now.
@@bentay999funniest comment I've ever read
Why is it when you want to criticize Trump you only note lines that you'd have to be a terminally liberal, blue-no-matter-who Democrat to be upset over? It's such a strange thing. I can't imagine that highlighting responses which turn off a New York City liberal voter is really very meaningful analysis.
I have a friend who is a delegate. I'll be talking to him before the convention. He's a low lever first time delegate, a state senator. So not like he has any real power. But at least I'll tell him my views.
This debate proved that Dem voters have been gaslight on the competency of President Biden.
Will Dem voters figure out that they have also been gaslight on Trumps character?
Trump lied the whole debate lol
Yep. And so did Biden. I feel insulted by both of them for wasting my time like that.
@JeffPalasek-cw2hv Trump literally broke the record of most lies told in a Presidential debate. Biden may have misquoted some statistics, you can't compare the 2.
cut the malarkey and vote trump
Joke Burden has been a complete failure.
this sucks without Nate. and judging by the numbers of views, i'm not the only one who thinks that. no offense, but Galen and Nathaniel just don't have interesting personalities and they are not as thoughtful
Trump did a great job and is our best option at this point. Voting republican this time around.
Trump was wearing an earpiece
Do you have any evidence of this? I saw with my own eyes Joe Biden adjusting his earpiece.
Haha! Nonsense.