The Doping Scandal Rocking the Upcoming Olympics
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- A new doping scandal is rocking the world of competitive swimming, as the Paris Olympics approach. These allegations are raising questions about fairness in the sport and whether the results at the summer games can be trusted.
Michael S. Schmidt, one of the reporters who broke the story, explains the controversy and what it reveals about the struggle to police doping in sports.
Guest: Michael S. Schmidt (www.nytimes.com/by/michael-s-...) , an investigative reporter for The New York Times.
Background reading:
• Chinese swimmers twice tested positive for drugs. They kept on swimming. (www.nytimes.com/2024/06/14/wo...)
• U.S. swimming stars assailed the World Anti-Doping Agency (www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/sp...) ahead of the Olympics.
For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily (nytimes.com/thedaily?smid=pc-t...) . Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.
The Chinese and Russians doping??! No way!!
Everybody... they are playing dumb and inocent for the propaganda.
USA is by FAR the worst Doping country on Earth. Most convictions but worse than that the most failed tests but because USA controls WADA, US athletes get "medical exceptions" more oftern than any other nation.
Say it ain't so!!
The biggest fallacy that we believe in the Olympics is that prizes are won on merit. Settting doping aside, wealthy countries that can afford things like world-class facilities, medical care, coaches, tech suits, and the ability to train day in and day out without worrying about having to put food on the table, will always do better than those with lesser funding. One can even go further into the discriminatory rules and regulations that have historically kept certain ethnicities from the water and provided little resources to them. Let's be honest although athletes can have considerable achievements, these are not all based solely on merit.
The more they cheat the more money is poured in to complete in.....Games. you easily can argue best solution. No more help from government programs. Any athlete that gets ant help is out no matter what. Stop spending millions on games instead of people who need the money and resources for survival in every day life.
Not true at all NZ has many Olympic gold medalist who came from small towns very little out side assistance , Danyon loader 2golds in swimming
How much money passed through hands from China to the Olympic committee to allow these Chinese swimmers to compete?
2 million to WADA. That's all it took. edit: Look for an article in the Independent called "Chinese generosity in lead-up to cleared doping tests reflects its growing influence on WADA"
at this point we should have enhanced games and be transparent. olympics is a scam anyways.
Not good enough WADA. They cannot say they upheld the highest standards in this case. At a bare minimum, WADA officials should have been camped in China in the first half of 2024 testing and testing and testing. Just as an aside - the quality of Olympic competition in the pool would not be diminished if doping swimmers were banned - I mean they are not very good. The sponsors would be worried though - I suppose WADA was looking out for their interests.
Meanwhile USADA accepted Erriyon Knighton’s “food contamination” excuse and allowed him to compete in the trials, double standard?
@Phat-rj3jo Globally there are lots of cases involving individuals and charges of doping need to be decided in each case. I am not familiar with the individual you cite, if you have a case, then go to the trouble and spell it out.Because the details matter. In the china case, we are looking at almost 2 thirds of the swim team affected, with the drug in question being designed in a lab to enhance performance and be undetectable after a short while. TMZ is not found in nature or in industry. And - sorry to say - we are talking about Chinese system with it's long history of drug abuse, at a level of being state sponsored.
@@dweller6065 😂😂😂 like US with its illustrious doping history in track and field China has its share of issues, but people just love to point fingers at others.
@@Phat-rj3jo Yeah and those US athletes found to be dopers were publicly outed and shamed. As they should. Some like Marion Jones went to jail. Now let's look at the Chinese dopers, what happened to them?
Let me tell you something that the world should’ve realized a long time ago, the honor system flat out does not work among the Chinese!
Right, there have never been any US dopers
I wish we would look at Nike and the Nike House. From a nationalistic viewpoint I see the issue. But from a class viewpoint what's the difference. In our own country we have cheaters who have access to things such as the Nike House... We play by a set of rules that have been designed by us and expect everyone else to play by these rules. Maybe if we actually had an "equal playing field" we wouldn't have to have all these restrictions.
We keep forgetting how the US in track and field got away with doping during the Carl Lewis years - using human growth hormone. Look at all the American athletes during the late 80’ and early 90’s that were all of a sudden wearing braces - but we of course, turn a blind eye to that. Lewis finally popped hot - but didn’t suffer any significant punishment
Could it be that the Chinese coaches spiked the food of the athletes in the hotel without their knowledge to improve their performance??? Does the drug work that quickly?? I also know that TMZ is a drug NOT used in the US for even heart patients because of it's MANY adverse side effects including seizures, memory loss and paralysis.
After watching the Lance Armstrong doc on Netflix, I'm convinced almost all top olympic athletes dope. I feel like I don't have a single good reason to believe otherwise.
I hate to throw around accusations, but my daughter trained beside the Chinese (and Japanese) rowing teams.
It was absolutely incredible- it was sometimes impossible to differentiate the women from the men (because the women had *such* modified morphologies, resembling men).
Not so for the Japanese team.
BTW- It's not a matter of foreign morphology- my family is ethnically Asian.
It was a really negative feeling watching them train...
I can’t deal with this, because this story is also part of a greater context of every other aspect of our world is falling apart. Trust and true sportsmanship is a granny’s tale to children about what we used to believe. Not only that we all chained together by the necks. All of us, the Russian , the Chinese, the n. Koreans, the Iranians, the Somali, and so on…😢😢
Shades of the jokes we used to make about East German women's sports teams back in the '80s.
MLB, NFL, Tour de Fr, etc… testing doesnt stop it.
Any precipitous drop in a running or swimming record is suspicious, and it has become commonplace.
Countries keep proving they cannot self police. At this point WADA needs to crack down and send people to test athletes at random times. If countries refuse to comply then they cannot compete.
Check out the Oscar-winning documentary "Icarus" if you want to see a great overview of the Russian doping scam at Sochi.
TMZ and Xenon gas is allegedly what the Russians gave/give their figure skaters. 😢
EDIT: A now retired figure skater, had a false positive test result and they found out it got into her system bc of the eye lash glue she was using to apply her fake lashes for performance! Freakin crazy!
No matter what they do, the Chinese and Russians will be allowed to swim. It's decided by each sport how they deal with doping, so the fact that swimming continues to allow countries who systematically cheat to compete means that members of FINA/World Aquatics are being bribed to allow the cheating to continue. Only athletes from clean countries who are caught get punished.
One of my earliest memories as a loyal Aussie swimming fan was the shoulders of the female Chinese team at the 1994 World Championships lol they could have been gridiron front rowers😂
I say yes you can trust it because given history we have to trust that the committee is going to monitor things closer then ever 😎✌🏾
No one wants to answer, so many kettles are painted with the pigments. So we are bound togeth😊to protect each others interests from embarrassment, not justice, embarrassment.
Any word on the swimmers testifying about the scandal of XY swimming against XX?
Or XY in XX dressing rooms?
In some countires doping is organised by the governing body in that particular sport - ie state sponsored. In other states doping is more of an individual thing - or at least is organised by the coach of that particular group of athletes. China falls into the first category, Kenyan distance runners fall into the second. If you believe that nobody dopes in, for example, the USA, the UK or other European countries you are being very, very naive
China doping? LMAO...of course! How Real was the 16 y/o boy on the relay team in the last W. C. close a 2.5s lead on the Grown Men on the USA team and win ?!! This is not like a sport that does not require muscular power in large amounts at higher speeds...this is a sport that has huge strength demands.....even Phelps at 16 could not have pulled off this feet of the Chinese boy. They are just throwing into our faces.
China is doping for sure. But as for the age, it's not at all uncommon for swimmers to already reach their peak as teenagers. Don't know why for swimming, but it happens. When Phelps was 16 he set the world record in the 200m butterfly and won the world championships.
You seem to be referring to Zhang Zhanshuo. He closed with a 1:45.80 in the 200m relay. That's not that fast of a split. American Carson Foster split 1:43.9 in the same relay. All the Americans swam faster than Zhang except for the anchor leg David Johnston who had a terrible split of 1:47.2. He had by far the slowest split on his team or any anchor leg in the top 4.
Zhang is just a general top 20-30 swimmer in the 200m free. The team is doping for sure, but a 16 year old swimming that time is not unusual. And Phelps at 16 was easily far more impressive. He was already a world record holder.
In fact we have Phelps' 200m freestyle time at 16, and it was 1:46.4. In a relay with a flying start that's around 0.7 sec faster, or 1:45.7. That's also with worse swim gear, less advanced stroke technique and not in his primary event. So yeah, Phelps at 16 could have done this, if not faster.
What do you mean, “ Let it go for what it is”?
Follow the money, the IOC leadership retains their jobs by giving IOC money to marginal countries in exchange for the votes to stay in power. I China’s case, they have been paying off the the officials since the 90s
you should put subway surfers video on the screen for the zoomers
Would you be equally concerned if it was American athletes who were caught doping? Like how shielded Lance Armstrong was for example
And that's why those of us who support clean sport in this country and everywhere else, we were so hurt and angry; I felt deceived. I defended him for a long time given his recovery from cancer, but couldn't ignore it when the entire truth came out.
I'm a runner and our sport has been tainted by athletes who don't question their coaches or flat out dope and then deny the allegations. I am glad that athletes like the Gouchers, Meb Keflezighi, Des Linden and Deena Kastor (also Paula Radliffe, but she's British), etc. have spoken out against doping and FOR clean sport and they have gone to great lengths to assist WADA and USADA in their own testing histories. So, yes, anyone from any country who cares about the sport would be equally concerned about their countryman/woman being caught doping.
There are many cyclists and runners from the U.S. who have failed drug tests and have been called out and suspended for X number of years.
@@mithulahiri4105 I am in agreement with you there. I grew up during his doping prime. I am Swedish 🇸🇪, the country who more or less created WADA and we had a formidable professor in Arne Ljungqvist who was on the board from the foundation of it until 2013. Marion Jones and our Swedish Ludmila Engquist are among those who were caught during that time.
Can't wait to see what kind of new drugs we see with the Paris games!
TMZ strikes again. This is the drug that ruined my Winter Olympics two years ago. And guess what, the little girl (and her teammates who were likely on it too but didn't test positive) still competed.
Who are you?
My uncle competed in Seoul in 1988. My brother and I asked how many medals he was going to win, and he laughed and said that he'd probably come last in all his events.
After he got back, we asked how many athletes did drugs (because of the 100 m drug scandal), and he dug out some newspaper clippings of results from the games to show us an easy way to find out: you look at the standings, and the bottom one or two in each table might be clean. I'm not sure how much that was a joke, but it didn't sound like he was joking. He could even say specifically which drugs lots of athletes were doing, even from other countries, that it was often pretty open.
I guess the point is that if a clean athlete today can even compete, at all, then either better sports science is negating the drug advantage, or drug testing is slowly but steadily getting better, or some combination of the two. I know that doesn't fix your experience, but maybe it's a little comforting to think that even though progress is slow, a generation from now, it could be that much better.
Anyway... I hope you get there in 2026 and have a better experience!
clearly the chinese could never swom or medal without doping, and no american would ever cheat! the audacity!
It all comes to consistency ... but increasingly it seems global politics in corporate environments creates a bias that puts integrity in that consistency in serious question.
Slow-talking reporter literally pauses between syllables of words. This story could have been 5 minutes shorter - just saying.
You people talk way... too...slow.
Funny. Of course not.
Back in the summer before 2010 Olympics in Vancouver, i watched the chinese speed skaters inject into their thighs. Everyday. No, they dont cheat. Give me a break.
Errion Knighton?
Why are we trying to limit any sports to "clean" athletes again? I want to see the best competing with no limits, especially because breaucratic doping rules and enforcement are routinely skirted.
Then it’ll become a competition of scientific capabilities, and not athletics; and smaller countries will stand no chance. Not to mention the damages the chemicals can do to athletes’ health.
@ndomingo2906 it's already a scientific and procedure of doping competition to avoid getting caught. There is no clean sport or honor left except among athletes that compete at a handicap, and then lose. There needs to be an open division where you can do whatever performance enhancing drugs you want, and a limited division for "clean" athletes.
Why do you put that on nbc? Really? Is that good journalism?
Explain?
that is literally journalism, read more about muckraking lol
@joseflemire4284
The whole piece is about how WADA and IOC are not effectively handling the doping. NBC has no official oversight on those two agencies; neither does NBC have any leverage over them to change how they operate.
Is it a fair portrayal of the situation to end the podcast with we reached out to NBC and they didn't respond. Whether or not NBC has any confidence in how doping is handled, does not change the fact that people will still be interested in watching Olympics.
The whole video is a little strange with fake naivety and emphatically slow speech pattern. Perhaps they tried out what they can get when they lend their voices to AI.