You can read the text of the FFHA here - www.hud.gov/sites/dfiles/FHEO/documents/fairhousingact.pdf I would like to clarify something concerning the housing laws that govern places that accept RVs. First let me reiterate that I am not a lawyer or a judge. But I do know how to read. The Federal Fair Housing Act(FHA), in it's own wording, states clearly that it "...prohibits discrimination in the rental of a 'dwelling' based upon race, color, national origin, etc..." and there have already been rulings that have clearly defined "dwelling" to include an RV. Some folks, myself included, have used the term "structure" to say the same thing. My apologies for any confusion. I'd also like to point out that we're not against private businesses being able to conduct business as they see fit. Never have been. I also am not trying to encourage people to make trouble. If you are rejected, there are peaceful solutions that don't involve trying to ruin someone. The purpose of the video is to try and give some understanding of the legalities of these situations and to offer some alternatives. Sadly though, situations like these only reinforce the stigma against people who are not well off enough to afford a rig that won't be turned away. It also perfectly fits the definition of "snooty". I'm sorry, but it DOES. The businesses don't have to accept everyone, but the people they reject don't have to like or keep quiet about it either. Thank you very much for watching!
Not a problem. There's a link to a legal article below. You'll note that it states " 'Dwelling' includes any vacant land which is offered for lease for locating any “structure” on it. A structure would include an RV." www.marklbusch.com/single-post/2014/06/04/discrimination-claims-by-rv-tenants "Database Upstairs"? - that's good...I'm gonna use that. ✌️
Very well then. Sec. 802. [42 U.S.C. 3602] Definitions (b) "Dwelling" means any building, structure, or portion thereof which is occupied as, or designed or intended for occupancy as, a residence by one or more families, and any vacant land which is offered for sale or lease for the construction or location thereon of any such building, structure, or portion thereof. www.hud.gov/sites/dfiles/FHEO/documents/fairhousingact.pdf Some cases: www.hud.gov/press/press_releases_media_advisories/hud_no_23_199 archives.hud.gov/news/2022/pr22-125.cfm Clearly the government, specifically HUD, sees RVs as "Dwellings" if they are willing to charge and/or prosecute RV parks under his law. Regardless of the outcome of these charges.
Hmmm...Interesting take. To be clear, these are not "HUD Rules", they are laws. Not mere federal regulations. The Federal Fair Housing Act is also known as Title 8 of the 1968 Civil Rights Act. Which HUD is responsible for prosecuting. So, I respectfully disagree. I think that everyone deserves equal access to accommodations regardless of their circumstances. Especially when they are paying out of their own pocket. Denying someone a spot at a campground falls under this and, regardless of case outcomes (which the federal court system seems to be unwilling to make available). The act seems pretty clear about "vacant land which is offered...for lease...for the location thereon..." An RV lot is indeed vacant until an RV is parked on it. It is also "offered for lease". I mean the IRS classifies an RV as a home (i.e. "dwelling"-ask me how I know) for tax purposes why then would the Civil Rights Act exclude them? Or why would a judge rule that it does when it is not explicit, or implicit for that matter. So, as you have stated you will keep your "database" intact. I will do the same as you have also not offered any legal precedent to back up your opinion. Cheers and happy 4th!
Local campground by me tried banning camper over 10 years old. The next year they changed it to 15 then 20 years. They went out of business by the 3rd year. They drove off the vast majority of of local campers
us regular normal folk can not afford the stupid high price$ of new rv$ and only if your lucky not many things will fail in the first couple years keeping it tied up at the dealers service dept.
Great public service announcement. I try to stay away from "resorts" because they are very snooty. We have a 2012 Class B motorhome and the parks are very judgemental, saying things like, oh, do you even have a bathroom onboard your rig? Plus, one time that we stayed at one the park was asking if we even had holding tanks? Imagine. They were the rudest people and only wanted large Class A's that are 5 years old or newer. Plus, if you don't plan on using all the amenities, why go there? Oh, yeah, they closed the bathrooms from 7 PM to 7 AM..... find a friendlier park
2012? That's insane. RVs have had showers and tanks the past 60 years at least. Surely they know this and are just being condescending A holes. Imagine thinking a 2013 vehicle is "old' meanwhile I'm out here driving in '80s RV.
@@momsberettas9576- Good morning, keep enjoying your 80's vintage rig.....if it's from the 80s and working fine then this tells me that it was built pretty well. I will never go back to this particular RV park, even if it were free. The office staff had such "attitude". We went there with a group and I didn't choose the park. Corporate jerks. This kind of stuff doesn't go unnoticed for long.
I personally like the mom and pop campgrounds, they seem more hospitable and friendly. Hubby and I have a 20 year old Minnie Winnie RV. It's short and in great shape. We've never been turned away yet.
I own a 20 year old class A Winnebago. I’ve been told no until they see the rig. Never been turned down. It looks like new as it has always been stored inside unless in use. I can’t blame campgrounds for keeping out the Clampets.
Growing up, we always went for a couple of weeks to a local campground. We loved it. Just checked their website recently. They've changed a lot! We would not have been able to afford what they're charging per night now, $100. Tents are not allowed. And I doubt very much that the homemade trailer we had would be welcome. I just got a cap for my truck, and will be fixing it up to camp in. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be allowed in a lot of campgrounds. That's okay, I prefer state parks.
@@mindfornication4funn Pigeon holing people serves no purpose. I've met some nice people who have expensive rigs that sought my company. By definition I'm as poor as they come as I'm a starving artist. Quite literally I might add. I go camping in my Viking tent and use my bike to get to campgrounds. We all share a common interest of getting outdoors and away from cities. Frankly more of us should be doing this. I ask you to rethink your mindset and stop making it us versus them? Sure there are jerks but they exist at every level of society. I'm betting though that there are more good people such as yourself than otherwise? ❤️⛺🚲
In your introduction you showed an old 1972 green swinger motorhome. It is actually an international with a 392 V8 engine. I know this because that motorhome was once mine. In 2003 I was leaving california. While travelling, my alternator belt which also runs the water pump broke. The engine overheated entering flagstaff arizona. I had it towed to a campground and pulled the heads and dropped the oil pan. It had a bent rod. I replaced the bad rod and had the heads done and reinstalled them. After the engine was back together I added water to the cooling system to check for leaks. It leaks really bad and I assumed it had a cracked block. I had a great deal of money invested in that old thing but I just gave it to the camp ground with the pink slip. I had not way of towing it all the way to the midwest 1500 miles so I cut my loses and left without my motorhome. This was a terrible disappointment. Now I have the means to put it on my own trailer and bring it home but I never found out what happened to that old swinger motorhome of mine. If anyone knows where it is let me know, thanks.
Its not just 'image.' Older rigs or rigs that are neglected pose a higher risk of breakdowns. This leads to issues removing rigs that need repair or get anandoned.
Exactly, then the owner doesn't have the money to get it fixed so the park has to hire a tow truck to evict them. That costs more money than they spent to camp.
I love this idea. it would honestly be better to make an initial investment in a self sustaining setup or upgrade. That way the issue could be avoided.
@@ajf5823 I have a Ford Econoline RV van conversion and can camp for up to 60 days or longer if in an area where I can get water, fish, or hunt. Good luck and take care.
Nothing against camp ground owners. I just don't need all the comforts of home that they provide. I guess if can't live without all the electronic toys then you need to pay. For full time it costs to much and I don't want any debt. @@phoenix3.057
@@CheapNomads The "tourist traps" and resorts, etc., they don't want the non-spenders. On the boondocking side, I'm totally unskilled in this but interested. My concern is local business/government/enforcement getting in my business if I'm not "shopping" or spending, or paying fees just to exist and enjoy life.
@@MUUKOW3 Not all RVs have toilets and black tanks and most don’t come with big battery and solar systems. And then there’s garbage. These and other reasons are why many people stay in RV parks and nice campgrounds
That sounds very American to me. I am camping around Europe for almost 50 years, and I never heard that anyone was turned down because of their vehicle.
I have Australian friends who had a year-long travelling working-holiday trip to England. They thought to buy a mid-sized panel van, as it would give them the option to just sleep in the back on a mattress sometimes, as they travelled around. Turns out tha Britain's campgrounds and caravan parks don't want "Gypsies" staying there. (They often own panel vans). However it would be a breach of discrimination laws to put up a sign outside saying "No Gypsies" (oh yes they also changed the spelling of the word "Gypsy" to "Traveller" to try to get around discrimination laws). So instead the campgrounds forbid any "commercial" vehicles from entering the residential area of the park (freight deliveries etc only allowed as far as a front office area). If my friends had known, before they bought the van, about the "no vans or commercial vehicles" rule, they would instead have bought a hatchback or station waggon, which with the backseat folded down, some window curtains etc, they could have had a mattress in the back to sleep on, as they travelled. Yes they did stay in some cheap "cabins" and with some distant relatives at times). Note the widespread ban on panel vans at British campgrounds, includes the tiny little “bubbleback” style vans, such as usually powered by small engines and on a small car chassis footprint, so it is not about size of the van.
I can attest to that! We ran into that at a ski lodge north of Ashville. We were not allowed to take them up to the cabin we rented through Airbnb. I specifically discussed the motorcycles and trailer with the owner of the cabin, and knew we would have to park the trailer in a designated area, but that's it. Resort security let us keep them by the office, and, since we have a vehicle, it was simply an inconvenience. I did let the cabin owners know about it, and posted it in my review for other bikers.
There are always people that want to have control over you and me. That is so ungodly for starters. It must give simple minded people a sense of power. God will eventually deal with them.
Not entirely the same. With an HOA they don't let you sign a rental or mortgage agreement and then turn you away when you show up to move in. Campgrounds and RV parks do it all the time.
Lest we forget , it's NOT just private campgrounds with the age discrimination rule . This rule also applies to RV repairs ( the insurance companies ) like Good Sam etc... they will NOT cover you for repairs etc... I have a 99' Fleetwood Prowler 26t LS model. Restored from the axles up. ( Well into the 20k range ) . This beast was built solid back when the industry actually built them with real materials and pride . I traced it back & it was actually built by the Amish in Indiana. That being said , I can't get it insured by Good Sam . That's ok , it's built solid by my own hands .
Sadly, some of the discrimination comes as a result of the serious housing crisis in our country right now. There are people living in older rigs of all types because that’s all they have.
@@bobbybishop5662 it’s also private property so they can make a rule that you have to wear a green shirt on Monday to get in. It’s their choice. What I mean is that people who live full time in old rv’s are a problem that businesses have to deal with.
Another option for older rigs is to offer to send the campground CURRENT photos of your rig. All photos can be validated via the data tags in each photo; that is to say that older photos can be 'weeded' out. Great videoo, thanks. Happy Travels!
Also holding up a current day's newspaper in the photos. Is pretty good validation. I'm also on the side of the rights of privately owned businesses. Operating the way they see fit. It's their business not yours. If you don't like the rules, don't stay. No shirt no pants no shoes no service.
Reminds me of the time I was calling RV parks to see if they would allow me to plug in my charger to charge my Leaf. When I called Yreka RV park I was told no, as they had purchased it two years previously and they were upgrading their image. I called Waiiaka RV park by the fairgrounds in Yreka and was told they would be happy to have me stop by. I also found the Railroad RV park south of Dunsmuir to be congenial. Shout out to both of them for the plesant reception. I hope they are still in business. That was eight years ago when the battery on the Leaf was relatively new. Later enough charging stations had been installed I no longer needed to use the RV parks. I kinda miss the personal interaction at the parks. Keep on rolling.
We have a 1965 Airstream Caravel. Seems like the snobs overlook Airstreams, no matter how old. We did get turned away once though. We restored our Airstream completely and keep it polished and pretty, but some parks can be really picky.
There’s a reason campground owners don’t want certain kinds of rigs. It’s not difficult to figure out. I disagree it’s about ‘a look’. I think it’s about the prevalence of dirtbags and their behaviors in these banned rigs. I say this from personal experience.
I do not own nor have I ever owned an RV of any type. However, I was an RV park manager years ago. I'm sure not all families in older RVs are the type that most parks don't want to rent to, but I will say that for the most part older rigs, homemade rigs and those that appear... let's say 'non-desirable' tend to bring lots of problems with them. Children running wild all hours of the night, openly smoking marijuana outside (in a state where that is not legal), leaving trash everywhere, hanging clothes outside to dry and just generally breaking rules. Again, I'm not saying ALL families in older or homemade rigs fall into this category but that is often the case.
Oh really ? So I'm a dirtbag ? I have a Fully restored Winnebago Brave Interior has been modernized the exterior is immaculate the build quality is light ahead of the garbage 10 Years and younger. So by the way it draws crowd every time it rolls into camp. So maybe all of the 10 year and younger crowd are all douch bags?
@@johnhowell2080Oh the humanity of drying clothes on rack in the summer camping , ooh and kids running around enjoying the summer . You must be real joy ! Yeah just stay in your coach sip some whiskey watch TV and shut up lol and get off my lawn.
We at Snake River RV Park in Idaho Falls we don't do that for our nightly guest. For our monthly sites we require a picture of all 4 sides. This is so there are no run down looking rigs so the park does not look bad. Yes superficial looks but broken windows missing doors looks bad and nightly guest that do care about looks you get bad reviews.
An RV is not a “structure”. A shed, a garage, a carport, a 🧍♂️ manufactured home, a house trailer a hangar, along with all the dwelling units are structures. An RV is a conveyance. And you honestly stated you are not a lawyer or judge but some of your fans are.
True I am not a lawyer. But the FHA does clearly state that an RV is considered a "dwelling" under the law. USe of the term "structure" could be reasonably construed to have the same meaning. Now I know the internet can be a sketchy place, but I did see where several lawyers verified this, as well as having case law to support it as well. Now in reality, anyone suing a campground for discrimination under the FHA would likely have a hard road ahead of them. Personally, we would just move on and save the trouble.
You can legally ride in a "conveyance," but that is only true if an RV is a Class A, Class B or Class C motorhomes. The problem with your meaning is that one cannot legally ride along inside a Fifth Wheel or Travel Trailer (even though Lucy did that in the movie "The Long, Long Trailer"). Therefore, non-motorized RVs do not qualify as "conveyances" in the legal sense. The must be "transported" by something that does qualify as a "conveyance", the tow vehicle. While such STRUCTURES are unhitched and standing alone, they do not move around on their own, except for THIS ruclips.net/video/cIAX5DEDQYI/видео.html But people are legally prohibited from riding along in even that type of RV. They must ride in the tow vehicle. So NOPE. RVs are NOT conveyances unless they are motorhomes.
No they cannot do whatever they want. If they advertise it it's open to RVs and then turn someone away because of their RV after they made the trip there, that's called fraud and it caused a loss to the consumer therefore it is illegal.
I heard some like this about 2 years back , it’s shocking to me a campground says no to a family with kids . I worked a campground for a while the man that owned it at the time usually wanted family’s , thanks for info I plan to buy a camper but it will be a scamp or casts as I don’t t like hauling a lot of weight.
I have a 10 year old bus which is in great condition and far better quality than any new RV on the road. I usually stay at planet fitness or Bob Evans or cracker barrel simply because I hate dealing with making reservations and then having surly and rude people to deal with and being woke up in the middle of night by people making noises and coming in late especially after you've paid $50 to $100 to stay at a KOA campground.
If it's private it's legal. Private businesses can refuse service for any reason. My thing is, there should be an online resource that lists all these campgrounds and people should stop using them so they shut down. Most RV parks and campgrounds, etc. don't allow school bus conversions even if they are amazing looking. It's pathetic.
“Private businesses can refuse service for any reason.” Not entirely correct in this case. As I stated in the video, the FHA does cover campgrounds and an RV is considered a dwelling under the law. Doesn’t matter if the guest or “resident” is temporary or extended stay. The loophole is that the business doesn’t tell any particular guest they can’t stay there, only that the vehicle can’t. Nonetheless, the level of discrimination shown towards bus conversions is somewhat perplexing.
@@CheapNomads I believe it revolves around the fact that they usually don't have a RVIA sticker which certifies it has a toilet, fresh water, black and grey waste water tanks. Things that make them habitable, safely. I'm sure yours has a rvia certification. A lot of schoolie conversions look nice, but a lot are not . I think most of them gravitate toward boondocking.
Between my wife and I we probably spoke to around 40 or 50 facilities (campgrounds, RV parks, state/federal, etc) and were only asked about that twice. 80% of the private facilities flat out said no the second we said the word BUS. The rest refused it based on it's age (2006). No one who got pictures of it refused it for the way it looked, but there were a few places that thought the concept of an old school bus as an RV was laughable, and one place (maybe 2) actually thought we were hippies. In practice, asking to see an RVIA sticker is usually only for the campgrounds insurance purposes. Now I'll admit we don't have one. But as it turns out, a majority of places won't take skoolies anyway so it ends up being a moot point.
Some refuse slide in truck campers tents as well as pop up campers. Some have an age limit on the rigs allowed. Up North canvas crank up campers are not allowed in Bear Country.
My wife and I constantly get turned away from RV parks due to our religious affiliation. We are part of the Amazonian Buttnekkid Banshee tribe, and folks seem to frown on our screeching and copulating while hanging from tree limbs as being too distracting to their more mundane & rudimentary forms of pagan worship.
Had this almost happen. Really nice RV park (snootyville) and the park manager drove past my ‘one off’ conversion of a Mercedes into a tear drop. I was surrounded by 200k rigs. He scratched his head, called his boss and they both came up to me asking how I was able to make a reservation. I said, well the gal asked me if it had electric hookups ( check ). They loved the design but unfortunately told me I could stay… this one time!
I was at a campground last summer and had a VW Westfalia rally come in. It was fun checking them all out ! Nice people great fun ! I'm looking at synchro right now as matter of fact.
I have a minivan camper that I converted myself in February of 2022. The van itself has a a 2012 Ram C/V and it is in good running condition and not beat up, it looks normal, not like a mini meth lab. I am knowledgeable in electrical, there is no water system because it is also my daily driver and I don’t want to worry about freezing pipes. I use a hose to wash pots and dishes. There is no propane either because I didn’t want to deal with restrictions on bridges or tunnels. It is all electric. The van IS over 10 years old, the build is not. I have yet to be turned away but I also don’t go to many high end resorts because it’s just cheaper to go to a family owned campground. My dad has a 1990 Viking pop up that is in great condition and I just redid the wiring to add more circuits because the pop up is mostly electric too. The only thing that uses propane in the pop up is the heat and we only use that in early spring and late fall. I replaced the 3 way fridge with a 120v mini fridge and removed the gas line that supplied it. The stove wasn’t permanently mounted so we put it in the basement. We don’t even bring a gas tank in the summer. The water system in the pop up consists of one line to the sink faucet and one drain out. It’s as simple as it gets. It’s amazing where you can go when your rig is actually in good condition and doesn’t look like cousin Eddy lives in it!
Welcome to the rv lifestyle. I see you're new, you might want to watch other RUclips videos and join a few rv forums. I myself been a nomad for 20 years, well before this trend. Wish you the best of luck.
Try places that allow tents. they ususlly have all kinds of rigs staying.. also the ones that have a drop boxs for your registration card and cash. Those are the best and open 24/7. County parks and state parks use that tyoe of check in. And some private. 73
Kids... hey we taught our kids to respect their surroundings WHEREVER they were. At home, out to a store, restaurant, park etc. Maintain low tones, no screaming bloody murder running wild playing... you know what I mean. Parents these days blow my mind when as long as they can sit and smoke, drink, whatever, the kids have no supervision, or worse at 7am or 11pm, in the campground the parents are running around with the kids yelling and screaming. I don't get it, but it is getting worse all the State Pk campgrounds we visit. No control over their kids and God forbid say anything about the screaming level, so yeah I think these days I welcome a ban on kids in a campground for "those" types of non parents and offspring.
@@davidgreene1324 They're usually intoxicated. Police can't make them "driver" off. Or have them prepare their tow trailers and RVs for leaving while intoxicated. But you're absolutely right the adults are worse than the kids.
A few years back, a car caught on fire at a large event in Florida. The ensuing blaze ruined quite a few vehicles nearby. That taught me a lesson to at least consider where we park our camper and the wind direction. I shudder to think what one flaming RV could do to an RV park.
To be fair, this can happen regardless of the age of the vehicle. I’ve seen brand new vehicles burn to the ground because the factory put in faulty parts during assembly. Which is not something proper maintenance could catch.
@@CheapNomads I concur. My shore power extension cord is built-in to my stealth van camper. Even though it draws less than 15-Amps, the camper end of the 12-gauge SJT was getting ridiculously hot when I charged the LiFePO batteries. I finally got it to run slightly warm by using 20-amp cord ends, as they fit together more tightly. Despite whether one has my Rube Goldberg method or a professional RV electrical system, I recommend feeling for warm or hot connections whenever practical.
We are always trying to keep an eye on the connection temps. When we got our AC I told my wife that it can't be plugged in on the drivers side of the bus. When she asked why I told her it was because it required a 20 amp circuit and that side was only wired for 15. It's only 5 amps but it makes an incredible difference.
And the new ones are more likely to go up in flames than the older RVs. Why? After 2019, quality and workmanship went downhill, even on RVs costing up to $1 million. Just watch Liz Amazing if you want to see how bad things are now. ruclips.net/video/AZVRbMnnDz0/видео.html So the 10 year limitation DOES NOT in any way prevent RV failure, nor is it true that older RVs are junk.
I have only been told no once because of the age of my rig but it was some fancy "resort" in southern California. I didn't want to go there very bad anyway.
I don't think age alone should justify an RV park rejecting an RV. At an RV park near where I live, I saw an early 1990s diesel pusher motorhome. I didn't get to speak to the owners of the motorhome, but I could tell by looking at the motorhome that it was well cared for and it looked like brand new. Since I didn't get to see the interior of the motorhome or the engine, etc., I don't know what exactly the condition was overall.
Not true, I was rejected in October 2023 by an Az RV “resort” because of my rig’s age. I was told NO EXCEPTIONS even though my C Class looks and runs amazing.
I spent tens of thousands of dollars traveling every year and I'm happy not to give it to people who are discriminatory or don't want me there. I'm more happy to give my money to nice decent accepting people
Its been my experience that any RV park that ive seen that would turn people away because of their rig is an RV park thats overpriced and gouging people willing to be gouged anyway....Thats not me...I will throw in a KOA here and there for convenience when traveling but we most concentrate of State Parks, casino camping , and even a cracker barrel here and there...But our favorite by far are Corp of Engineer Campgrounds...Avg price $20-$35 a nite and if you have an American the Beautiful national parks pass either annual or lifetime, those prices are half off...So your staying with all he amenities (electric, water, dump, garbage , showers for an avg of $10-$17 a nite....And these COE campgrounds are almost always on a lake or river ....
How about better planning? Especially if you have an older rig or kids. I don’t blame campground owners for being picky after having been to some low end campgrounds full of low end people who are living on the edge as old RV’s are cheap housing. These bring lots of problems for camp owners and their clients . One camp ground was so bad we couldn’t get out there fast enough. Plan to lie about the year of your rig. Also, in my limited experience, the membership parks are not a good deal.
yeah I wasn't aware this was even a thing that happened ... until ... you know ..... it happened and I personally do think it's discrimination and I wish the Attorney General would get involved I could name a bunch of places on the Oregon Coast and elsewhere where this happens.. but don't really feel like getting sued right now 🤨😵💫🙃
THERE ARE COUNTIES AND TOWNSHIPS ALONG THE TEXAS COAST THAT UTILIZE THE 10 YEAR RULE, FULTON TX TOWNSHIP WILL ONLY ALLOW 10 YEARS OR OLDER IF IT WAS REGISTERED THERE BEFOR THE RV WAS 10 YEARS OLD .
I have a MBA to be a park manager and I would like to chime in. (Aside: I am not a park manager or ranger because I found out I don't like working for the government). My education focused on government outdoor recreation, so the concept of discriminating against anyone is foreign. With that said, I personally, and professionally, do not have a problem with private businesses setting the rules for their business. Sure, it does not feel right when they turn YOU away, but how would you feel if it was YOUR business and you wanted it to have a certain vibe/feel and someone tried to tell YOU that you have to admit them? Or lets try this example, if you make cakes and someone tried to force you to make a cake you do not want to make (we all know that story). My point is this: Their business and they get to do what they want. My only objection would be if their reservation did not clearly state those restrictions up front and they denied you at the entrance.
Well, to be fair we're not against private businesses being able to conduct business as they see fit. Never have been. I also am not trying to encourage people to make trouble. The purpose of the video was to try and give some understanding of the legalities of these situations and to offer some alternatives. Sadly, situations like these, as other viewers have so astutely pointed out, only reinforces the stigma against people who are not well off enough to afford a rig that won't be turned away. It also perfectly fits the definition of "snooty". The businesses don't have to accept everyone but the people they reject don't have to like or keep quiet about it either.
Here's an idea: go to a salvage auction and pop an emblem off of a new motorhome and stick it on your bus somewhere. Take pictures of it and tell these places that you have a 2027 jayco or whatever emblem you find!!
I can kind of see a RV park maybe being selective who they let in, I mean it shouldn’t matter if you show up in a million dollar RV or a older camper van but if cousin Eddie pulls in in his 1972 Winnebago and starts emptying the shitter then I can see a little discrimination.
After 30 years of seasonal camping in multiple trailers the new owners of 3 years have seen fit to put us out claiming insurance, our trailer is a 09 there are older even a parkmodel from previous owners that is now been resold by new owners to friends of there's another old leaking trailer thay havecseen fit to sell to there son our flower beds were pulled up with out notification and a fire pit area also pulled up but our neighbors flowerbed is left
One potential justification for tuning away older rigs might be a black water issue. If you're half way through your stay and your black water pipe just breaks, then we have a hazmat issue for more than just your camp site and both neighboring sites may already be booked.
@@bobbybishop5662 I have no doubt the current ones coming off the production lines are junk, but in a whole different way. They are not being properly finished or inspected. It seems the entire industry, both trailers and RVs are a shit-show right now. But that doesn't negate the fact that generally someone driving a 35 year old winnebago is more likely to have a catastrophic failure. Obviously there are exceptions because SOME of them are well maintained. But you have to figure way more than half (of the really old RVs on the road) were just bought from somebody after sitting for 30 of those 35 years. Now they are rusted and possibly rat infested, they need new breaks and bearings... Need I go on? Like I said, yours may be an exception, but I totally see why they might see your antique as a hazard.
Rusted and rat infested? The older ones will have less of a chance than the new ones of loosing bearing as they were built on actual commercial chassis . You obviously are well versed in anything mechanical.
While our current rv is newer than 10yo, I bwlieve one should ASK questions when making the reservation rather than assuming that if the campground does not mention a particular restriction, that it's then ok. Do you allow kids? A good campground will ask how many or volunteer that they have zero amenities for kids. Do you allow pets? A good campground will ask what breed and how many. An rv with 3 little yappers that never shut up can be denied as quick as a large pitbull. Do you allow rvs older than 10 years? A good campground will ask you to possibly send pics of your rv before agreeing.
Park in Tucson Arizona told us we can't come back because we are CB radio station and the CB will interfere with Pacemaker amd other health related electronics ...
This is the first I've heard of this with RVs and I think it's ridiculous. I know many "campgrounds" won't allow tents because they're "RV only" even though they call themselves campgrounds which I also think is ridiculous. This should all be illegal. It's not discrimination, it's false advertising. They're an RV park (meaning they have a business license), not an RV club. Even if they call themselves a "club", if they have a business license they are committing felonies turning people away based on visual discrimination factors like age or looks of equipment. They're also creating safety hazards by turning away vehicles that they can visually see "that are in need of repair" back on the road Rather than give them a safe place to park and repair which makes them liable for anything that happens afterwards. These are just rich racist yuppies that don't want to live next to "poor people". Also personally, when I go on vacation I actually have somewhere I want to go meaning I don't care about hotels or camp sites and I'll happily sleep in my car in a truck stop parking lot. (I can shower and a truck stop too if I need to.) I used to be a truck driver and I remember dealing with this crap in California or some places in the east coast also. "No overnight parking" bs.
We lost overnight parking privileges at our local Walmart because of derelict RVs parking and setting up camp in the parking lot for weeks at a time, leaving only when forced out/hauled away. These rigs were routinely 20 yo or more, although some were less. Its the few who are determined to leech that ruin it for everyone else.
I feel offended at your linking older campers with deadbeat people. My rig is 56 years old. It is entirely presentable but even if it were a piece of trash, I have every bit as much right to park in a Walmart parking lot as anyone else. We need to stop discriminating against poverty and homelessness. This attitude of reserving resources for those who don’t actually need them is DISGUSTING. Your comment leads me to believe you are driving something a lot newer. Every year it’s value DEPRECIATES, while my vintage travel trailer APPRECIATES. If you are happy with it, great but don’t put other people down for not having the same taste as you or the same money. We need to be better than that.
When we've stayed in Walmart parking lots we would always ask what their limit is. So we don't overstay our welcome. Every Walmart is different and some don't allow it at all. One thing that was usually made clear in every case where it was allowed was that if a rig becomes unable to drive away they will have it towed when the time limit is up. Some Walmarts disallow the practice because they have to pay those towing costs and it is extremely difficult to get to offending parties to pay.
I am behind you 100% that we need to stop discriminating and poverty and homelessness, and that older rigs be associated with deadbeats. In our experience we've come across folks in some nice rigs that were let's just say unpleasant neighbors. So it can go both ways. That being said, (gonna play devil's advocate here) NO ONE has a RIGHT to park at Walmart. Overnight or otherwise. It is a private business on private property. We do not have the right to the use of other's private property. Just because they do business with the public doesn't give anyone this magical right to their facility. They can deny anyone they wish at any time for any reason. Now they may choose not to in some cases to avoid bad PR, but ultimately they are under no obligation to do so.
Unfortunately some “discrimination” has become a necessary evil in some cases, and simply marketing in others. Many newer locations or older locations purchased by a corporation are affiliated with RV and mobile home manufacturers and real estate investors. They are selling an entire package of nice RV/mobile home, nice place to park it, and neighbors that aren’t on an episode of “Cops” every week with toilets and kitchen appliances for yard decorations. Others that aren’t affiliated with another business don’t wish to deal with evictions and other problems that come with people making poor life decisions and have been forced to live in something with wheels and no address. With modern code requirements and expenses to install the infrastructure to park RV/mobile homes, the business simply cannot recoup the investment at the budgets that many people building or using older RVs can afford. Having lived in a “trailer park” years ago, and known people that lived in low rent trailer or RV parks, I can understand why someone or a corporation wouldn’t want that for their business. While I would love to have a location that people with older rigs, or diy setups could visit short or long term, I cannot justify doing that myself. A couple difficult tenants could ruin the investment for decades. So rude personnel aside, before you fault an owner or company from not accepting your rig, consider how many others aren’t the nice guy that you are, and that you might want to exclude problems also. Of course, any rental location should be upfront about any restrictions they have before you have booked a reservation and driven across the country. I plan to build my own Rv. It won’t be shabby, but it won’t look like a $500k artwork either. The best we can do is lead by example when we find places that do accept the “undesirable” rigs, one vote locally against regulations that would exclude us. The world isn’t the same place that we grew up in.
Wow! Thanks for taking the time for this response. To be fair, most of the places we've talked to so far haven't necessarily been blatantly nasty rude, just very matter of fact with their denial. Some owners were even a bit sympathetic given how many more people are struggling these days. The only ones we clapped back at for denying us were the ones that had photos of the facility online that showed rigs that were pretty run down by comparison to the one they were denying for the way it looked. We don't encourage people to publish vengeful reviews and that's why when we do a video like this one we don't like to mention names. The only time we might is if the business contact was especially rude or insulting.
Im over these smaller campgrounds. They're double or even triple the cost of the state campgrounds, and the state campgrounds are almost always better maintained and bigger spots. I'll never stay at a rjourney again. When I camp I'm in an 06 winnebago so I'd be cut out most of these places anyway even tho the camper is under 25k miles and in cherry condition
First we lost a majority of Walmart over nights allowed.. Homeless and Rv parks loosing to the overnighters... Then the Rv parks turn the tables on us by the 10 year rule. When we are on a fast track traveling in our rig we just need a place to crash overnight . Walmart provided this convenience and in turn we always shopped when needed at that Walmart.. Also bought gas at their store gas stations. So Walmart looses. Now we are encountering another RV travel dimension,.. safety! uggg
Sounds awfully similar concept of HOAs and discrimination. Who the heck cares what the rigs look like it is supposed to "make memories" not something of a "fashion statement." (As it seems.) Jeez!!🙄
Pulling or driving something that looks better than most houses in my area, that's not camping or even close to camping lol..When I's a kid in the 60s, that was camping. We had what was called pup tents and you slept on the earth as in ground with grass or under pine trees is where my tent went cause I used pine needles for a cushion for my bed. We drank mountain water and fished for food but we always had marshmallows and hotdogs incase the fish wasn't biting. We camped like that, or at least I did plum into the 90s and people I grew with still don't have a pull behind or a drivable camper. I had a motor home for a couple years until I drug my feet about bringing it home, so my friend sold it again but I didn't care at that point in time cause he was having it rough and the man needed the money. The moral of my story is, people has camping all twisted up and I'm not going to pay for a piece of ground to lay on for a weekend or a week. That's not camping. I reckon I'm to old school but having a mobile home is not even close to camping lol..And these snooty people don't even have a clue of what it's like to really be out in the woods and nature camping. We as kids use to build lean two's or things to sleep under made of sticks and tarps so we didn't get wet cause just about everytime we'd go camping it'd dump the rain on us but we always put in the work to keep us dry throughout the camping trip...
Shepard State Park in Mississippi would let you stay for much longer periods than that. But you would still have to move to empty tanks every few days since the sites are water and electric only. Great place.
@@mikewhite9818 You mean the the fruits with giant awning lights ,under trailer lights ,out built in big screen tv's with the two little shitbox dogs that barks at the flakes that actually exercise their normal big dogs then quietly sit by the fire under the stars ?
It believe it depends on the individual host, but in the cases I came across no one was turned away due to the age of their rig. They were also far less apt to turn away unique or DIY rigs.
Absolutely ridiculous. This has been standard practice for decades, most places since the internet will say, nothing over 10 years old, and when they are empty not enforced or arbitrary. No kids should be an easy one.. nobody under 18 should be clear..no pets other than cats and dogs, nothing over 40 pounds, standard stuff.. lots have no pitbulls no matter the weight. Because vanlife, full time, people living in their vehicles, homeless, people gaming the system have basically ruined camping I applaud these places for having standards and sticking to them. All you have to do is look at any campground and you will see absolute abuse, over use and gaming the system.. people are not camping they are living, don't care about out doors care about WiFi and if anyone is checking how long they have been there..in many places that have 14,15 day limits you have one guy motor running waiting for the person to leave so they can pull in . nature doesn't get to rest, recuperate, heal, instead it gets trampled and driven on that was never part of the design.. and because of the demand, camp management can't take spaces out of circulation, most of our campgrounds are getting beat to death, literally.. not by people camping from all the other users. Walmart is not for shopping, it's for parking.. Cracker Barrel is not someplace you eat, it's a place to park, Cabela's, Bass Pro shop, moose Lodge.. just care about free parking..Planet Fitness is no longer a gym it is a place for vanlife and RV people to take a shower.. the entire country is being repurposed
Our local provincial park sat NO to atvs,side by side and dirt bikes... can’t have them in your truck or trailer. No exception. You want to come in park your play toy on the side of the high way...
Not listening to people’s screaming kids is a good thing. But that’s also applicable to barking dogs, blasting music, generators etc. It’s why l don’t stay in campgrounds
Yeah, that's a good point. Over the years and the campgrounds I've visited there was always something or someone that at some point would disturb the peace.
@@CheapNomads I have stayed at campgrounds several times where our "neighbor" would leave their dog in the camper all day while they were gone, and the dog would bark non stop. One was so bad that I went over and spoke with the couple when they returned. I have nothing against pets at the campground as long as the owners respect the other campers around them.
Yes. We tried at least. Many of them didn't have websites. Only google profiles. More than half of them didn't do online reservations either. The website would be basic with just a few pictures of the facility, a short set of rules (check in/check out time, quiet hours, etc.), maybe a pricing list, and required you to call and make reservations.
@@CheapNomads I have seen that myself. In fact the campground we are going to tomorrow is like that. I asked because many people don't do their homework, then try to claim the campground didn't tell them.
Totally understand. I suppose I should have been more specific. All of the denials we received we're over the phone or through DM's and only one was AFTER we had made reservations.
I believe a business can refuse service to anyone but I'd rather be parked next to an older couple in 20 year old well kept rig than a brand new RV with a family with 5 screaming kids who trash their site.
I manage a small Rv park and my rule is if it looks like a meth lab then it’s not coming in here! If you have a older rig or a vintage rig and it’s been taken care of then I have no problem with you saying in my park
Discrimination Laws are pointless. Look around. Everybody hates Everybody who's different. And who's Not Different? I had a recent experience in a neighborhood that was stuck in a time warp. I thought it was 1969. I currently live better in my vehicle. I favor State Parks when I'm not city dwelling. Discrimination is Everywhere. Stand in line at a food bank. You'll know what I'm talking about. ✌️♥️ ~ 🌺
I wouldn't want to stay were i wasn't wanted. I wouldn't want to spend money were I'm not wanted. I have a 97 imperial rambler 24,000 Mile. It's great complete with 600watts of solar never need shore power.
@@richardhutchinson3103 I know, since for the first 8 years after I retired I was almost always off grid. But that costs money for gas and generators aren’t cheap. At least good ones. I’ll never buy another pos Harbor Freight Zpredator.
@@timthompson8297 I'm in central California. Air conditioning is not a high priority. BUt I have run my roof air off of my inverter not a problem at all. My on board generator took a poop I bought a Ryobi 3400 running watts, hardly ever use it.
Just remember young man.He who has a gold.Sets the price when you're private business.You do as you please so where it goes.Sorry to hear that happy trails
Isn't there a law that involves items of public accommodation? I mean, if you're not exhibiting danger. Or. Hostile, actions, actions. Why would you be turned away? At, let's say a gas station.?
Remember the Baker who refused to decorate a cake with with the items that he thought were. Against his religion... Big time lawsuit.. I think Hey eventually one... Not for the right reason.. I always thought the law prohibited forced labor of which this was certainly an example.
I've ran a ln RV park, and there are many reasons to keep certain rigs out. And though it might be unpleasant to be denied a spot, but so is cleaning up after some of them. There are some nasty arse people out there. Once I took a couple in for the weekend because I felt bad for the lady who said she was sick. Then I noticed they weren't hooked up to the utilities, said they needed to just rest, cool. But the next morning I went to do my rounds and come to find out they didn't even have storage tanks, so they were just dumping straight on the ground. Yeah.
You can read the text of the FFHA here - www.hud.gov/sites/dfiles/FHEO/documents/fairhousingact.pdf
I would like to clarify something concerning the housing laws that govern places that accept RVs. First let me reiterate that I am not a lawyer or a judge. But I do know how to read. The Federal Fair Housing Act(FHA), in it's own wording, states clearly that it "...prohibits discrimination in the rental of a 'dwelling' based upon race, color, national origin, etc..." and there have already been rulings that have clearly defined "dwelling" to include an RV. Some folks, myself included, have used the term "structure" to say the same thing. My apologies for any confusion.
I'd also like to point out that we're not against private businesses being able to conduct business as they see fit. Never have been. I also am not trying to encourage people to make trouble. If you are rejected, there are peaceful solutions that don't involve trying to ruin someone. The purpose of the video is to try and give some understanding of the legalities of these situations and to offer some alternatives. Sadly though, situations like these only reinforce the stigma against people who are not well off enough to afford a rig that won't be turned away. It also perfectly fits the definition of "snooty". I'm sorry, but it DOES. The businesses don't have to accept everyone, but the people they reject don't have to like or keep quiet about it either.
Thank you very much for watching!
@@NomadicPride Slight correction to this. The FHA does classify a spot to park an RV as falling under the classification or definition of "Dwelling".
Not a problem. There's a link to a legal article below. You'll note that it states
" 'Dwelling' includes any vacant land which is offered for lease for locating any “structure” on it. A structure would include an RV."
www.marklbusch.com/single-post/2014/06/04/discrimination-claims-by-rv-tenants
"Database Upstairs"? - that's good...I'm gonna use that. ✌️
Very well then.
Sec. 802. [42 U.S.C. 3602] Definitions
(b) "Dwelling" means any building, structure, or portion thereof which is occupied as, or designed or intended for occupancy as, a residence by one or more families, and any vacant land which is offered for sale or lease for the construction or location thereon of any such building, structure, or portion thereof.
www.hud.gov/sites/dfiles/FHEO/documents/fairhousingact.pdf
Some cases: www.hud.gov/press/press_releases_media_advisories/hud_no_23_199
archives.hud.gov/news/2022/pr22-125.cfm
Clearly the government, specifically HUD, sees RVs as "Dwellings" if they are willing to charge and/or prosecute RV parks under his law. Regardless of the outcome of these charges.
Hmmm...Interesting take. To be clear, these are not "HUD Rules", they are laws. Not mere federal regulations. The Federal Fair Housing Act is also known as Title 8 of the 1968 Civil Rights Act. Which HUD is responsible for prosecuting. So, I respectfully disagree. I think that everyone deserves equal access to accommodations regardless of their circumstances. Especially when they are paying out of their own pocket. Denying someone a spot at a campground falls under this and, regardless of case outcomes (which the federal court system seems to be unwilling to make available). The act seems pretty clear about "vacant land which is offered...for lease...for the location thereon..." An RV lot is indeed vacant until an RV is parked on it. It is also "offered for lease". I mean the IRS classifies an RV as a home (i.e. "dwelling"-ask me how I know) for tax purposes why then would the Civil Rights Act exclude them? Or why would a judge rule that it does when it is not explicit, or implicit for that matter. So, as you have stated you will keep your "database" intact. I will do the same as you have also not offered any legal precedent to back up your opinion. Cheers and happy 4th!
Local campground by me tried banning camper over 10 years old. The next year they changed it to 15 then 20 years. They went out of business by the 3rd year. They drove off the vast majority of of local campers
Get wrecked 😂
us regular normal folk can not afford the stupid high price$ of new rv$
and only if your lucky not many things will fail in the first couple years keeping it tied up at the dealers service dept.
All rigs are welcome at Rocky River Resort in Doniphan Missouri, Sitting on the banks of the spring fed Current River.
@@bigshowradio_550 But it’s still in the state of Misery so that’s no attraction.
That's nice ❤
@@timthompson8297Current river is awesome
way to self promote
@@hermionegardener3796 I don’t own it. And if I did?
I don't care if you're the manager of an RV park, my grandma or a salesman at a Ferrari dealership; if you don't like me or my money. Im gone.
Great public service announcement. I try to stay away from "resorts" because they are very snooty. We have a 2012 Class B motorhome and the parks are very judgemental, saying things like, oh, do you even have a bathroom onboard your rig? Plus, one time that we stayed at one the park was asking if we even had holding tanks? Imagine. They were the rudest people and only wanted large Class A's that are 5 years old or newer. Plus, if you don't plan on using all the amenities, why go there? Oh, yeah, they closed the bathrooms from 7 PM to 7 AM..... find a friendlier park
2012? That's insane. RVs have had showers and tanks the past 60 years at least. Surely they know this and are just being condescending A holes. Imagine thinking a 2013 vehicle is "old' meanwhile I'm out here driving in '80s RV.
@@momsberettas9576- Good morning, keep enjoying your 80's vintage rig.....if it's from the 80s and working fine then this tells me that it was built pretty well.
I will never go back to this particular RV park, even if it were free. The office staff had such "attitude". We went there with a group and I didn't choose the park. Corporate jerks. This kind of stuff doesn't go unnoticed for long.
Advertise the discriminators!
I personally like the mom and pop campgrounds, they seem more hospitable and friendly. Hubby and I have a 20 year old Minnie Winnie RV. It's short and in great shape. We've never been turned away yet.
Yeah, the mom and pop places seem to be much more welcoming so far.
I own a 20 year old class A Winnebago. I’ve been told no until they see the rig. Never been turned down. It looks like new as it has always been stored inside unless in use. I can’t blame campgrounds for keeping out the Clampets.
Growing up, we always went for a couple of weeks to a local campground. We loved it.
Just checked their website recently. They've changed a lot!
We would not have been able to afford what they're charging per night now, $100.
Tents are not allowed.
And I doubt very much that the homemade trailer we had would be welcome.
I just got a cap for my truck, and will be fixing it up to camp in. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be allowed in a lot of campgrounds. That's okay, I prefer state parks.
People who buy 1 000 000 $ rvs do not want poor folk around them.
HOA on the road...
Money has a way of making people snobs. Sad but true.
@@mindfornication4funn Pigeon holing people serves no purpose. I've met some nice people who have expensive rigs that sought my company. By definition I'm as poor as they come as I'm a starving artist. Quite literally I might add. I go camping in my Viking tent and use my bike to get to campgrounds. We all share a common interest of getting outdoors and away from cities. Frankly more of us should be doing this. I ask you to rethink your mindset and stop making it us versus them? Sure there are jerks but they exist at every level of society. I'm betting though that there are more good people such as yourself than otherwise? ❤️⛺🚲
Rv parks don't want squatters
@@jimmyjames6487 squatters ??!!
I have a 1999 motorhome and I traveled coast to coast. And we have never been turned away. And we stayed at the very best places.
We've never been turned away in our 06 Wanderlodge either.
I'll wager if you post a pic of your rv it's nice and not a piece of junk.
In your introduction you showed an old 1972 green swinger motorhome. It is actually an international with a 392 V8 engine. I know this because that motorhome was once mine. In 2003 I was leaving california. While travelling, my alternator belt which also runs the water pump broke. The engine overheated entering flagstaff arizona. I had it towed to a campground and pulled the heads and dropped the oil pan. It had a bent rod. I replaced the bad rod and had the heads done and reinstalled them. After the engine was back together I added water to the cooling system to check for leaks. It leaks really bad and I assumed it had a cracked block. I had a great deal of money invested in that old thing but I just gave it to the camp ground with the pink slip. I had not way of towing it all the way to the midwest 1500 miles so I cut my loses and left without my motorhome. This was a terrible disappointment. Now I have the means to put it on my own trailer and bring it home but I never found out what happened to that old swinger motorhome of mine. If anyone knows where it is let me know, thanks.
That’s quite a tale. I hope you find it. The pic, by the way came from either google or pexels.
Its not just 'image.' Older rigs or rigs that are neglected pose a higher risk of breakdowns. This leads to issues removing rigs that need repair or get anandoned.
Exactly, then the owner doesn't have the money to get it fixed so the park has to hire a tow truck to evict them. That costs more money than they spent to camp.
I boondock only so no pay campsites for me.
I love this idea. it would honestly be better to make an initial investment in a self sustaining setup or upgrade. That way the issue could be avoided.
Same here! My trailer is totally off grid.
@@ajf5823 I have a Ford Econoline RV van conversion and can camp for up to 60 days or longer if in an area where I can get water, fish, or hunt. Good luck and take care.
Nothing against camp ground owners. I just don't need all the comforts of home that they provide. I guess if can't live without all the electronic toys then you need to pay. For full time it costs to much and I don't want any debt. @@phoenix3.057
@@CheapNomads The "tourist traps" and resorts, etc., they don't want the non-spenders.
On the boondocking side, I'm totally unskilled in this but interested. My concern is local business/government/enforcement getting in my business if I'm not "shopping" or spending, or paying fees just to exist and enjoy life.
There is a reason why I like national forest or state parks for camping. For one thing, they usually have larger sites.
this has been our experience so far as well.
And better views
@@kathleenhudson8429 But often have no hookups.
@@timthompson8297Well isn't that why RV's are self contained?
@@MUUKOW3 Not all RVs have toilets and black tanks and most don’t come with big battery and solar systems. And then there’s garbage. These and other reasons are why many people stay in RV parks and nice campgrounds
That sounds very American to me. I am camping around Europe for almost 50 years, and I never heard that anyone was turned down because of their vehicle.
I have Australian friends who had a year-long travelling working-holiday trip to England.
They thought to buy a mid-sized panel van, as it would give them the option to just sleep in the back on a mattress sometimes, as they travelled around.
Turns out tha Britain's campgrounds and caravan parks don't want "Gypsies" staying there. (They often own panel vans). However it would be a breach of discrimination laws to put up a sign outside saying "No Gypsies" (oh yes they also changed the spelling of the word "Gypsy" to "Traveller" to try to get around discrimination laws).
So instead the campgrounds forbid any "commercial" vehicles from entering the residential area of the park (freight deliveries etc only allowed as far as a front office area).
If my friends had known, before they bought the van, about the "no vans or commercial vehicles" rule, they would instead have bought a hatchback or station waggon, which with the backseat folded down, some window curtains etc, they could have had a mattress in the back to sleep on, as they travelled. Yes they did stay in some cheap "cabins" and with some distant relatives at times).
Note the widespread ban on panel vans at British campgrounds, includes the tiny little “bubbleback” style vans, such as usually powered by small engines and on a small car chassis footprint, so it is not about size of the van.
If you want to see discrimination, try traveling on a motorcycle!
I agree with you, anyplace with resort in their name is not worth the trouble.
Oh man I'll bet. Hadn't thought of that. Haven't done it myself but I've heard some of the stories.
I can attest to that! We ran into that at a ski lodge north of Ashville. We were not allowed to take them up to the cabin we rented through Airbnb. I specifically discussed the motorcycles and trailer with the owner of the cabin, and knew we would have to park the trailer in a designated area, but that's it. Resort security let us keep them by the office, and, since we have a vehicle, it was simply an inconvenience. I did let the cabin owners know about it, and posted it in my review for other bikers.
There are always people that want to have control over you and me. That is so ungodly for starters. It must give simple minded people a sense of power. God will eventually deal with them.
It used to be called Camping (Real Camping) then Glamping,(Glamoir Camping )now it's Vanping (Vanity Camping)
Sooooo..basically they are an RV HOA....
Yup, just like an HOA, you get a copy or posting of the rules before you enter.................
Not entirely the same. With an HOA they don't let you sign a rental or mortgage agreement and then turn you away when you show up to move in. Campgrounds and RV parks do it all the time.
Lest we forget , it's NOT just private campgrounds with the age discrimination rule . This rule also applies to RV repairs ( the insurance companies ) like Good Sam etc... they will NOT cover you for repairs etc... I have a 99' Fleetwood Prowler 26t LS model. Restored from the axles up. ( Well into the 20k range ) . This beast was built solid back when the industry actually built them with real materials and pride . I traced it back & it was actually built by the Amish in Indiana. That being said , I can't get it insured by Good Sam . That's ok , it's built solid by my own hands .
A lot of camper's are built near South Bend Ind. An Amish strong hoid
Sadly, some of the discrimination comes as a result of the serious housing crisis in our country right now. There are people living in older rigs of all types because that’s all they have.
It's not discrimination , RVers and not a protected class .
The government & its laws imitate morality, they do not dictate it. It is discrimination
Campground......Neighborhood.
@@bobbybishop5662 it’s also private property so they can make a rule that you have to wear a green shirt on Monday to get in. It’s their choice.
What I mean is that people who live full time in old rv’s are a problem that businesses have to deal with.
Another option for older rigs is to offer to send the campground CURRENT photos of your rig. All photos can be validated via the data tags in each photo; that is to say that older photos can be 'weeded' out. Great videoo, thanks. Happy Travels!
This is a good idea. But it's important to note that if the facility is under an insurance restriction then the pictures won't matter.
Also holding up a current day's newspaper in the photos.
Is pretty good validation.
I'm also on the side of the rights of privately owned businesses. Operating the way they see fit. It's their business not yours. If you don't like the rules, don't stay. No shirt no pants no shoes no service.
Reminds me of the time I was calling RV parks to see if they would allow me to plug in my charger to charge my Leaf.
When I called Yreka RV park I was told no, as they had purchased it two years previously and they were upgrading their image.
I called Waiiaka RV park by the fairgrounds in Yreka and was told they would be happy to have me stop by.
I also found the Railroad RV park south of Dunsmuir to be congenial. Shout out to both of them for the plesant reception. I hope they are still in business.
That was eight years ago when the battery on the Leaf was relatively new.
Later enough charging stations had been installed I no longer needed to use the RV parks. I kinda miss the personal interaction at the parks.
Keep on rolling.
We have a 1965 Airstream Caravel. Seems like the snobs overlook Airstreams, no matter how old. We did get turned away once though. We restored our Airstream completely and keep it polished and pretty, but some parks can be really picky.
There’s a reason campground owners don’t want certain kinds of rigs. It’s not difficult to figure out. I disagree it’s about ‘a look’. I think it’s about the prevalence of dirtbags and their behaviors in these banned rigs. I say this from personal experience.
I do not own nor have I ever owned an RV of any type. However, I was an RV park manager years ago. I'm sure not all families in older RVs are the type that most parks don't want to rent to, but I will say that for the most part older rigs, homemade rigs and those that appear... let's say 'non-desirable' tend to bring lots of problems with them. Children running wild all hours of the night, openly smoking marijuana outside (in a state where that is not legal), leaving trash everywhere, hanging clothes outside to dry and just generally breaking rules. Again, I'm not saying ALL families in older or homemade rigs fall into this category but that is often the case.
So now everyone must have a washer and dryer as well?
Oh really ? So I'm a dirtbag ? I have a Fully restored Winnebago Brave Interior has been modernized the exterior is immaculate the build quality is light ahead of the garbage 10 Years and younger. So by the way it draws crowd every time it rolls into camp. So maybe all of the 10 year and younger crowd are all douch bags?
@@johnhowell2080Oh the humanity of drying clothes on rack in the summer camping , ooh and kids running around enjoying the summer . You must be real joy ! Yeah just stay in your coach sip some whiskey watch TV and shut up lol and get off my lawn.
I Might understand maybe a poorly maintained rig or at least it looks like one on the outside and Park might have the concern for safety.
I've been turned away from both campgrounds and hotels quite possibly because I was riding a bicycle.
We at Snake River RV Park in Idaho Falls we don't do that for our nightly guest. For our monthly sites we require a picture of all 4 sides. This is so there are no run down looking rigs so the park does not look bad. Yes superficial looks but broken windows missing doors looks bad and nightly guest that do care about looks you get bad reviews.
Understood. But I'm curious, how much worse would reviews be, if at all, for turning someone away for superficial reasons?
An RV is not a “structure”. A shed, a garage, a carport, a 🧍♂️ manufactured home, a house trailer a hangar, along with all the dwelling units are structures.
An RV is a conveyance. And you honestly stated you are not a lawyer or judge but some of your fans are.
True I am not a lawyer. But the FHA does clearly state that an RV is considered a "dwelling" under the law. USe of the term "structure" could be reasonably construed to have the same meaning. Now I know the internet can be a sketchy place, but I did see where several lawyers verified this, as well as having case law to support it as well. Now in reality, anyone suing a campground for discrimination under the FHA would likely have a hard road ahead of them. Personally, we would just move on and save the trouble.
You can legally ride in a "conveyance," but that is only true if an RV is a Class A, Class B or Class C motorhomes.
The problem with your meaning is that one cannot legally ride along inside a Fifth Wheel or Travel Trailer (even though Lucy did that in the movie "The Long, Long Trailer"). Therefore, non-motorized RVs do not qualify as "conveyances" in the legal sense. The must be "transported" by something that does qualify as a "conveyance", the tow vehicle. While such STRUCTURES are unhitched and standing alone, they do not move around on their own, except for THIS
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But people are legally prohibited from riding along in even that type of RV. They must ride in the tow vehicle.
So NOPE. RVs are NOT conveyances unless they are motorhomes.
It's a privately owned park, that can do whatever they want. Conveniently, you also do what you want, and take your money elsewhere.
Actually, they can’t, as described in this video.
Bingo
No they cannot do whatever they want. If they advertise it it's open to RVs and then turn someone away because of their RV after they made the trip there, that's called fraud and it caused a loss to the consumer therefore it is illegal.
I could never support a business that is discriminatory against other American citizens
I heard some like this about 2 years back , it’s shocking to me a campground says no to a family with kids . I worked a campground for a while the man that owned it at the time usually wanted family’s , thanks for info I plan to buy a camper but it will be a scamp or casts as I don’t t like hauling a lot of weight.
I have a 10 year old bus which is in great condition and far better quality than any new RV on the road. I usually stay at planet fitness or Bob Evans or cracker barrel simply because I hate dealing with making reservations and then having surly and rude people to deal with and being woke up in the middle of night by people making noises and coming in late especially after you've paid $50 to $100 to stay at a KOA campground.
If it's private it's legal. Private businesses can refuse service for any reason. My thing is, there should be an online resource that lists all these campgrounds and people should stop using them so they shut down. Most RV parks and campgrounds, etc. don't allow school bus conversions even if they are amazing looking. It's pathetic.
“Private businesses can refuse service for any reason.” Not entirely correct in this case. As I stated in the video, the FHA does cover campgrounds and an RV is considered a dwelling under the law. Doesn’t matter if the guest or “resident” is temporary or extended stay. The loophole is that the business doesn’t tell any particular guest they can’t stay there, only that the vehicle can’t. Nonetheless, the level of discrimination shown towards bus conversions is somewhat perplexing.
@@CheapNomads I believe it revolves around the fact that they usually don't have a RVIA sticker which certifies it has a toilet, fresh water, black and grey waste water tanks. Things that make them habitable, safely. I'm sure yours has a rvia certification. A lot of schoolie conversions look nice, but a lot are not . I think most of them gravitate toward boondocking.
Between my wife and I we probably spoke to around 40 or 50 facilities (campgrounds, RV parks, state/federal, etc) and were only asked about that twice. 80% of the private facilities flat out said no the second we said the word BUS. The rest refused it based on it's age (2006). No one who got pictures of it refused it for the way it looked, but there were a few places that thought the concept of an old school bus as an RV was laughable, and one place (maybe 2) actually thought we were hippies. In practice, asking to see an RVIA sticker is usually only for the campgrounds insurance purposes. Now I'll admit we don't have one. But as it turns out, a majority of places won't take skoolies anyway so it ends up being a moot point.
Some refuse slide in truck campers tents as well as pop up campers. Some have an age limit on the rigs allowed. Up North canvas crank up campers are not allowed in Bear Country.
Wrong.
My wife and I constantly get turned away from RV parks due to our religious affiliation. We are part of the Amazonian Buttnekkid Banshee tribe, and folks seem to frown on our screeching and copulating while hanging from tree limbs as being too distracting to their more mundane & rudimentary forms of pagan worship.
That's unconstitutional. We all have a right to perform blood orgies under the full moon. (Unironically)
Had this almost happen. Really nice RV park (snootyville) and the park manager drove past my ‘one off’ conversion of a Mercedes into a tear drop. I was surrounded by 200k rigs. He scratched his head, called his boss and they both came up to me asking how I was able to make a reservation. I said, well the gal asked me if it had electric hookups ( check ). They loved the design but unfortunately told me I could stay… this one time!
Hmmmmmmmmm, Interesting facts Sir. Especially that I am interested in 30 yr old VW Westfalias .
I was at a campground last summer and had a VW Westfalia rally come in. It was fun checking them all out ! Nice people great fun ! I'm looking at synchro right now as matter of fact.
I have a minivan camper that I converted myself in February of 2022. The van itself has a a 2012 Ram C/V and it is in good running condition and not beat up, it looks normal, not like a mini meth lab. I am knowledgeable in electrical, there is no water system because it is also my daily driver and I don’t want to worry about freezing pipes. I use a hose to wash pots and dishes. There is no propane either because I didn’t want to deal with restrictions on bridges or tunnels. It is all electric. The van IS over 10 years old, the build is not. I have yet to be turned away but I also don’t go to many high end resorts because it’s just cheaper to go to a family owned campground. My dad has a 1990 Viking pop up that is in great condition and I just redid the wiring to add more circuits because the pop up is mostly electric too. The only thing that uses propane in the pop up is the heat and we only use that in early spring and late fall. I replaced the 3 way fridge with a 120v mini fridge and removed the gas line that supplied it. The stove wasn’t permanently mounted so we put it in the basement. We don’t even bring a gas tank in the summer. The water system in the pop up consists of one line to the sink faucet and one drain out. It’s as simple as it gets. It’s amazing where you can go when your rig is actually in good condition and doesn’t look like cousin Eddy lives in it!
Welcome to the rv lifestyle. I see you're new, you might want to watch other RUclips videos and join a few rv forums. I myself been a nomad for 20 years, well before this trend.
Wish you the best of luck.
They don't want Abandoned rigs. It's hell to get rid of it. Older than 10 years and cared for is usually acceptable.
The snob parks aren't worth it at all. So many much better places.
Try places that allow tents. they ususlly have all kinds of rigs staying.. also the ones that have a drop boxs for your registration card and cash. Those are the best and open 24/7. County parks and state parks use that tyoe of check in. And some private. 73
Kids... hey we taught our kids to respect their surroundings WHEREVER they were. At home, out to a store, restaurant, park etc.
Maintain low tones, no screaming bloody murder running wild playing... you know what I mean.
Parents these days blow my mind when as long as they can sit and smoke, drink, whatever, the kids have no supervision, or worse at 7am or 11pm, in the campground the parents are running around with the kids yelling and screaming.
I don't get it, but it is getting worse all the State Pk campgrounds we visit.
No control over their kids and God forbid say anything about the screaming level, so yeah I think these days I welcome a ban on kids in a campground for "those" types of non parents and offspring.
EXACTLY!!!
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They're usually intoxicated. Police can't make them "driver" off. Or have them prepare their tow trailers and RVs for leaving while intoxicated.
But you're absolutely right the adults are worse than the kids.
It’s past your bed time grandpa
A few years back, a car caught on fire at a large event in Florida. The ensuing blaze ruined quite a few vehicles nearby. That taught me a lesson to at least consider where we park our camper and the wind direction. I shudder to think what one flaming RV could do to an RV park.
To be fair, this can happen regardless of the age of the vehicle. I’ve seen brand new vehicles burn to the ground because the factory put in faulty parts during assembly. Which is not something proper maintenance could catch.
@@CheapNomads I concur. My shore power extension cord is built-in to my stealth van camper. Even though it draws less than 15-Amps, the camper end of the 12-gauge SJT was getting ridiculously hot when I charged the LiFePO batteries. I finally got it to run slightly warm by using 20-amp cord ends, as they fit together more tightly. Despite whether one has my Rube Goldberg method or a professional RV electrical system, I recommend feeling for warm or hot connections whenever practical.
We are always trying to keep an eye on the connection temps. When we got our AC I told my wife that it can't be plugged in on the drivers side of the bus. When she asked why I told her it was because it required a 20 amp circuit and that side was only wired for 15. It's only 5 amps but it makes an incredible difference.
And the new ones are more likely to go up in flames than the older RVs. Why? After 2019, quality and workmanship went downhill, even on RVs costing up to $1 million. Just watch Liz Amazing if you want to see how bad things are now.
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So the 10 year limitation DOES NOT in any way prevent RV failure, nor is it true that older RVs are junk.
@@edevos3108 But it does limit the Rednecks
I have only been told no once because of the age of my rig but it was some fancy "resort" in southern California. I didn't want to go there very bad anyway.
I don't think age alone should justify an RV park rejecting an RV. At an RV park near where I live, I saw an early 1990s diesel pusher motorhome. I didn't get to speak to the owners of the motorhome, but I could tell by looking at the motorhome that it was well cared for and it looked like brand new. Since I didn't get to see the interior of the motorhome or the engine, etc., I don't know what exactly the condition was overall.
Word gets around. Thank for doing this video.
Holy hell Harvest Hosts looks AMAZING!!!!! TY!!!!!
My pleasure.
That is legal, rv's older than 15 years or so not allowed in most high end private RV parks.
The parks around us in Arizona are written for older than 20 years and they all will wave that with pictures of an RV in good condition.
Not true, I was rejected in October 2023 by an Az RV “resort” because of my rig’s age. I was told NO EXCEPTIONS even though my C Class looks and runs amazing.
@@garym4956 @cdlund2840 was referring to the parks around them in Arizona. I have heard the same thing about some of the campgrounds in Indiana.
I spent tens of thousands of dollars traveling every year and I'm happy not to give it to people who are discriminatory or don't want me there. I'm more happy to give my money to nice decent accepting people
Its been my experience that any RV park that ive seen that would turn people away because of their rig is an RV park thats overpriced and gouging people willing to be gouged anyway....Thats not me...I will throw in a KOA here and there for convenience when traveling but we most concentrate of State Parks, casino camping , and even a cracker barrel here and there...But our favorite by far are Corp of Engineer Campgrounds...Avg price $20-$35 a nite and if you have an American the Beautiful national parks pass either annual or lifetime, those prices are half off...So your staying with all he amenities (electric, water, dump, garbage , showers for an avg of $10-$17 a nite....And these COE campgrounds are almost always on a lake or river ....
How about better planning? Especially if you have an older rig or kids. I don’t blame campground owners for being picky after having been to some low end campgrounds full of low end people who are living on the edge as old RV’s are cheap housing. These bring lots of problems for camp owners and their clients . One camp ground was so bad we couldn’t get out there fast enough. Plan to lie about the year of your rig. Also, in my limited experience, the membership parks are not a good deal.
yeah I wasn't aware this was even a thing that happened ... until ... you know ..... it happened
and I personally do think it's discrimination and I wish the Attorney General would get involved
I could name a bunch of places on the Oregon Coast and elsewhere where this happens.. but don't really feel like getting sued right now 🤨😵💫🙃
THERE ARE COUNTIES AND TOWNSHIPS ALONG THE TEXAS COAST THAT UTILIZE THE 10 YEAR RULE, FULTON TX TOWNSHIP WILL ONLY ALLOW 10 YEARS OR OLDER IF IT WAS REGISTERED THERE BEFOR THE RV WAS 10 YEARS OLD .
I have a MBA to be a park manager and I would like to chime in. (Aside: I am not a park manager or ranger because I found out I don't like working for the government). My education focused on government outdoor recreation, so the concept of discriminating against anyone is foreign. With that said, I personally, and professionally, do not have a problem with private businesses setting the rules for their business. Sure, it does not feel right when they turn YOU away, but how would you feel if it was YOUR business and you wanted it to have a certain vibe/feel and someone tried to tell YOU that you have to admit them? Or lets try this example, if you make cakes and someone tried to force you to make a cake you do not want to make (we all know that story). My point is this: Their business and they get to do what they want. My only objection would be if their reservation did not clearly state those restrictions up front and they denied you at the entrance.
Well, to be fair we're not against private businesses being able to conduct business as they see fit. Never have been. I also am not trying to encourage people to make trouble. The purpose of the video was to try and give some understanding of the legalities of these situations and to offer some alternatives. Sadly, situations like these, as other viewers have so astutely pointed out, only reinforces the stigma against people who are not well off enough to afford a rig that won't be turned away. It also perfectly fits the definition of "snooty". The businesses don't have to accept everyone but the people they reject don't have to like or keep quiet about it either.
Here's an idea: go to a salvage auction and pop an emblem off of a new motorhome and stick it on your bus somewhere. Take pictures of it and tell these places that you have a 2027 jayco or whatever emblem you find!!
Campgrounds can be replaced !!
I can kind of see a RV park maybe being selective who they let in, I mean it shouldn’t matter if you show up in a million dollar RV or a older camper van but if cousin Eddie pulls in in his 1972 Winnebago and starts emptying the shitter then I can see a little discrimination.
After 30 years of seasonal camping in multiple trailers the new owners of 3 years have seen fit to put us out claiming insurance, our trailer is a 09 there are older even a parkmodel from previous owners that is now been resold by new owners to friends of there's another old leaking trailer thay havecseen fit to sell to there son our flower beds were pulled up with out notification and a fire pit area also pulled up but our neighbors flowerbed is left
One potential justification for tuning away older rigs might be a black water issue. If you're half way through your stay and your black water pipe just breaks, then we have a hazmat issue for more than just your camp site and both neighboring sites may already be booked.
Seems many older camp owners (not all) have no regard for others. Good rule.
Lol , like these new campers they build now are not complete junk and could have the same problem as any older rig. Stupid rule.
@@bobbybishop5662 I have no doubt the current ones coming off the production lines are junk, but in a whole different way. They are not being properly finished or inspected. It seems the entire industry, both trailers and RVs are a shit-show right now. But that doesn't negate the fact that generally someone driving a 35 year old winnebago is more likely to have a catastrophic failure. Obviously there are exceptions because SOME of them are well maintained. But you have to figure way more than half (of the really old RVs on the road) were just bought from somebody after sitting for 30 of those 35 years. Now they are rusted and possibly rat infested, they need new breaks and bearings... Need I go on? Like I said, yours may be an exception, but I totally see why they might see your antique as a hazard.
You mean the new campers where the whole tank just falls out ? Ok My older one is built way better than than the new garbage.
Rusted and rat infested? The older ones will have less of a chance than the new ones of loosing bearing as they were built on actual commercial chassis . You obviously are well versed in anything mechanical.
Humans synonymous with hypocrites,😮😢
While our current rv is newer than 10yo, I bwlieve one should ASK questions when making the reservation rather than assuming that if the campground does not mention a particular restriction, that it's then ok. Do you allow kids? A good campground will ask how many or volunteer that they have zero amenities for kids. Do you allow pets? A good campground will ask what breed and how many. An rv with 3 little yappers that never shut up can be denied as quick as a large pitbull. Do you allow rvs older than 10 years? A good campground will ask you to possibly send pics of your rv before agreeing.
Park in Tucson Arizona told us we can't come back because we are CB radio station and the CB will interfere with Pacemaker amd other health related electronics ...
That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard so far. I get picky campgrounds, but ignorant ones would be where I draw the line.
This is the first I've heard of this with RVs and I think it's ridiculous. I know many "campgrounds" won't allow tents because they're "RV only" even though they call themselves campgrounds which I also think is ridiculous. This should all be illegal. It's not discrimination, it's false advertising. They're an RV park (meaning they have a business license), not an RV club. Even if they call themselves a "club", if they have a business license they are committing felonies turning people away based on visual discrimination factors like age or looks of equipment. They're also creating safety hazards by turning away vehicles that they can visually see "that are in need of repair" back on the road Rather than give them a safe place to park and repair which makes them liable for anything that happens afterwards. These are just rich racist yuppies that don't want to live next to "poor people".
Also personally, when I go on vacation I actually have somewhere I want to go meaning I don't care about hotels or camp sites and I'll happily sleep in my car in a truck stop parking lot. (I can shower and a truck stop too if I need to.) I used to be a truck driver and I remember dealing with this crap in California or some places in the east coast also. "No overnight parking" bs.
Well, it's private property , so yeah, they make the rules.
We lost overnight parking privileges at our local Walmart because of derelict RVs parking and setting up camp in the parking lot for weeks at a time, leaving only when forced out/hauled away. These rigs were routinely 20 yo or more, although some were less. Its the few who are determined to leech that ruin it for everyone else.
I feel offended at your linking older campers with deadbeat people. My rig is 56 years old. It is entirely presentable but even if it were a piece of trash, I have every bit as much right to park in a Walmart parking lot as anyone else. We need to stop discriminating against poverty and homelessness. This attitude of reserving resources for those who don’t actually need them is DISGUSTING.
Your comment leads me to believe you are driving something a lot newer. Every year it’s value DEPRECIATES, while my vintage travel trailer APPRECIATES. If you are happy with it, great but don’t put other people down for not having the same taste as you or the same money. We need to be better than that.
When we've stayed in Walmart parking lots we would always ask what their limit is. So we don't overstay our welcome. Every Walmart is different and some don't allow it at all. One thing that was usually made clear in every case where it was allowed was that if a rig becomes unable to drive away they will have it towed when the time limit is up. Some Walmarts disallow the practice because they have to pay those towing costs and it is extremely difficult to get to offending parties to pay.
I am behind you 100% that we need to stop discriminating and poverty and homelessness, and that older rigs be associated with deadbeats. In our experience we've come across folks in some nice rigs that were let's just say unpleasant neighbors. So it can go both ways. That being said, (gonna play devil's advocate here) NO ONE has a RIGHT to park at Walmart. Overnight or otherwise. It is a private business on private property. We do not have the right to the use of other's private property. Just because they do business with the public doesn't give anyone this magical right to their facility. They can deny anyone they wish at any time for any reason. Now they may choose not to in some cases to avoid bad PR, but ultimately they are under no obligation to do so.
Understood. I did not mean legal right. I meant ethical right.
Unfortunately some “discrimination” has become a necessary evil in some cases, and simply marketing in others.
Many newer locations or older locations purchased by a corporation are affiliated with RV and mobile home manufacturers and real estate investors.
They are selling an entire package of nice RV/mobile home, nice place to park it, and neighbors that aren’t on an episode of “Cops” every week with toilets and kitchen appliances for yard decorations.
Others that aren’t affiliated with another business don’t wish to deal with evictions and other problems that come with people making poor life decisions and have been forced to live in something with wheels and no address.
With modern code requirements and expenses to install the infrastructure to park RV/mobile homes, the business simply cannot recoup the investment at the budgets that many people building or using older RVs can afford.
Having lived in a “trailer park” years ago, and known people that lived in low rent trailer or RV parks, I can understand why someone or a corporation wouldn’t want that for their business.
While I would love to have a location that people with older rigs, or diy setups could visit short or long term, I cannot justify doing that myself.
A couple difficult tenants could ruin the investment for decades.
So rude personnel aside, before you fault an owner or company from not accepting your rig, consider how many others aren’t the nice guy that you are, and that you might want to exclude problems also.
Of course, any rental location should be upfront about any restrictions they have before you have booked a reservation and driven across the country.
I plan to build my own Rv. It won’t be shabby, but it won’t look like a $500k artwork either.
The best we can do is lead by example when we find places that do accept the “undesirable” rigs, one vote locally against regulations that would exclude us.
The world isn’t the same place that we grew up in.
Wow! Thanks for taking the time for this response. To be fair, most of the places we've talked to so far haven't necessarily been blatantly nasty rude, just very matter of fact with their denial. Some owners were even a bit sympathetic given how many more people are struggling these days. The only ones we clapped back at for denying us were the ones that had photos of the facility online that showed rigs that were pretty run down by comparison to the one they were denying for the way it looked. We don't encourage people to publish vengeful reviews and that's why when we do a video like this one we don't like to mention names. The only time we might is if the business contact was especially rude or insulting.
It made sense. Why should I bring my $300K RV to camp and park next to other old home made junks..
Im over these smaller campgrounds. They're double or even triple the cost of the state campgrounds, and the state campgrounds are almost always better maintained and bigger spots. I'll never stay at a rjourney again. When I camp I'm in an 06 winnebago so I'd be cut out most of these places anyway even tho the camper is under 25k miles and in cherry condition
Some camp grounds have a age limit for R V
I knew Lou Pole. He was running for town council.
If it registered, insured and inspected, it should be allowed to go anywhere.
Most states don’t have inspections though
First we lost a majority of Walmart over nights allowed.. Homeless and Rv parks loosing to the overnighters... Then the Rv parks turn the tables on us by the 10 year rule. When we are on a fast track traveling in our rig we just need a place to crash overnight . Walmart provided this convenience and in turn we always shopped when needed at that Walmart.. Also bought gas at their store gas stations. So Walmart looses. Now we are encountering another RV travel dimension,.. safety! uggg
That’s why I bought my own little parcel of land so I could never be asked to leave.
Sounds awfully similar concept of HOAs and discrimination. Who the heck cares what the rigs look like it is supposed to "make memories" not something of a "fashion statement." (As it seems.)
Jeez!!🙄
If they don't advertise that they don't accept campers of a certain age make or model they shouldn't have a leg to stand on!
Pulling or driving something that looks better than most houses in my area, that's not camping or even close to camping lol..When I's a kid in the 60s, that was camping. We had what was called pup tents and you slept on the earth as in ground with grass or under pine trees is where my tent went cause I used pine needles for a cushion for my bed. We drank mountain water and fished for food but we always had marshmallows and hotdogs incase the fish wasn't biting. We camped like that, or at least I did plum into the 90s and people I grew with still don't have a pull behind or a drivable camper. I had a motor home for a couple years until I drug my feet about bringing it home, so my friend sold it again but I didn't care at that point in time cause he was having it rough and the man needed the money. The moral of my story is, people has camping all twisted up and I'm not going to pay for a piece of ground to lay on for a weekend or a week. That's not camping. I reckon I'm to old school but having a mobile home is not even close to camping lol..And these snooty people don't even have a clue of what it's like to really be out in the woods and nature camping. We as kids use to build lean two's or things to sleep under made of sticks and tarps so we didn't get wet cause just about everytime we'd go camping it'd dump the rain on us but we always put in the work to keep us dry throughout the camping trip...
Anyone running a business, including landlords and campgrounds, should be allowed to accept or deny a customer for any reason or even no reason.
State parks you can't long term they want you to move every 5 days and most you have to move to dump your stuff.
Shepard State Park in Mississippi would let you stay for much longer periods than that. But you would still have to move to empty tanks every few days since the sites are water and electric only. Great place.
So many flakes have old RV’s that is why they turn them away. Parks need to try to bring in normal people that makes the campground pleasant.
@@mikewhite9818 You mean the the fruits with giant awning lights ,under trailer lights ,out built in big screen tv's with the two little shitbox dogs that barks at the flakes that actually exercise their normal big dogs then quietly sit by the fire under the stars ?
So Harvest Hosts allow older rigs?
It believe it depends on the individual host, but in the cases I came across no one was turned away due to the age of their rig. They were also far less apt to turn away unique or DIY rigs.
Absolutely ridiculous. This has been standard practice for decades, most places since the internet will say, nothing over 10 years old, and when they are empty not enforced or arbitrary. No kids should be an easy one.. nobody under 18 should be clear..no pets other than cats and dogs, nothing over 40 pounds, standard stuff.. lots have no pitbulls no matter the weight. Because vanlife, full time, people living in their vehicles, homeless, people gaming the system have basically ruined camping I applaud these places for having standards and sticking to them. All you have to do is look at any campground and you will see absolute abuse, over use and gaming the system.. people are not camping they are living, don't care about out doors care about WiFi and if anyone is checking how long they have been there..in many places that have 14,15 day limits you have one guy motor running waiting for the person to leave so they can pull in . nature doesn't get to rest, recuperate, heal, instead it gets trampled and driven on that was never part of the design.. and because of the demand, camp management can't take spaces out of circulation, most of our campgrounds are getting beat to death, literally.. not by people camping from all the other users. Walmart is not for shopping, it's for parking.. Cracker Barrel is not someplace you eat, it's a place to park, Cabela's, Bass Pro shop, moose Lodge.. just care about free parking..Planet Fitness is no longer a gym it is a place for vanlife and RV people to take a shower.. the entire country is being repurposed
Our local provincial park sat NO to atvs,side by side and dirt bikes... can’t have them in your truck or trailer. No exception. You want to come in park your play toy on the side of the high way...
Well la -de freaking da ! Thats what boon docking is all about . And its FREE ! 😅
Thank you for quoting the late, great Chris Farley. Made my day 🤣
Love the reference! But let's be honest, boondocking is NOT "free". Even if you don't have to use a generator.
Not listening to people’s screaming kids is a good thing. But that’s also applicable to barking dogs, blasting music, generators etc. It’s why l don’t stay in campgrounds
Yeah, that's a good point. Over the years and the campgrounds I've visited there was always something or someone that at some point would disturb the peace.
@@CheapNomads I have stayed at campgrounds several times where our "neighbor" would leave their dog in the camper all day while they were gone, and the dog would bark non stop. One was so bad that I went over and spoke with the couple when they returned. I have nothing against pets at the campground as long as the owners respect the other campers around them.
We agree.
In your research for this video, did you visit the campground websites to see if their rules have the age/children/pet rules?
Yes. We tried at least. Many of them didn't have websites. Only google profiles. More than half of them didn't do online reservations either. The website would be basic with just a few pictures of the facility, a short set of rules (check in/check out time, quiet hours, etc.), maybe a pricing list, and required you to call and make reservations.
@@CheapNomads I have seen that myself. In fact the campground we are going to tomorrow is like that. I asked because many people don't do their homework, then try to claim the campground didn't tell them.
Totally understand. I suppose I should have been more specific. All of the denials we received we're over the phone or through DM's and only one was AFTER we had made reservations.
I believe a business can refuse service to anyone but I'd rather be parked next to an older couple in 20 year old well kept rig than a brand new RV with a family with 5 screaming kids who trash their site.
I manage a small Rv park and my rule is if it looks like a meth lab then it’s not coming in here! If you have a older rig or a vintage rig and it’s been taken care of then I have no problem with you saying in my park
Discrimination Laws are pointless. Look around. Everybody hates Everybody who's different. And who's Not Different?
I had a recent experience in a neighborhood that was stuck in a time warp. I thought it was 1969.
I currently live better in my vehicle. I favor State Parks when I'm not city dwelling.
Discrimination is Everywhere. Stand in line at a food bank. You'll know what I'm talking about. ✌️♥️
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Thank you
I wouldn't want to stay were i wasn't wanted. I wouldn't want to spend money were I'm not wanted.
I have a 97 imperial rambler 24,000 Mile. It's great complete with 600watts of solar never need shore power.
@@richardhutchinson3103 you can’t run air conditioning on 600 watts.
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So what? You can with a generator.😜
@@richardhutchinson3103 I know, since for the first 8 years after I retired I was almost always off grid. But that costs money for gas and generators aren’t cheap. At least good ones. I’ll never buy another pos Harbor Freight Zpredator.
@@timthompson8297
I'm in central California. Air conditioning is not a high priority.
BUt I have run my roof air off of my inverter not a problem at all.
My on board generator took a poop I bought a Ryobi 3400 running watts, hardly ever use it.
@@richardhutchinson3103 Sounds nice. I’ve been living in Arizona and now New Mexico.
Just remember young man.He who has a gold.Sets the price when you're private business.You do as you please so where it goes.Sorry to hear that happy trails
Isn't there a law that involves items of public accommodation? I mean, if you're not exhibiting danger. Or.
Hostile, actions, actions. Why would you be turned away? At, let's say a gas station.?
Hipcamp is an additional resource.
Love shape of the van
Remember the Baker who refused to decorate a cake with with the items that he thought were.
Against his religion... Big time lawsuit.. I think Hey eventually one... Not for the right reason.. I always thought the law prohibited forced labor of which this was certainly an example.
I've ran a ln RV park, and there are many reasons to keep certain rigs out. And though it might be unpleasant to be denied a spot, but so is cleaning up after some of them. There are some nasty arse people out there.
Once I took a couple in for the weekend because I felt bad for the lady who said she was sick. Then I noticed they weren't hooked up to the utilities, said they needed to just rest, cool. But the next morning I went to do my rounds and come to find out they didn't even have storage tanks, so they were just dumping straight on the ground. Yeah.
Ewwww…Now THAT I totally get. I’m usually on the side of “if it functions, it should be allowed to stay”. But that is gross.
@@CheapNomads Yes sir. Unfortunately that's not the worst thing I've dealt with.
Interesting!
“ Older RVs” are not a protected class
My self rather have a Grayhound bus that been converted to a motorhome some look better then the motor home made these Days