Why Old BMWs, Not Teslas, Will Save The Planet (Waffle)
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- In today's video, I get a little bit philosophical. With impending bans on the sales of combustion engined vehicles, I begin to ask whether the solution to many problems is perhaps not in front of us, but maybe behind us?
With a little help from Moustafa's marvellous E38 BMW 728i.
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Well said! Consumerism is the problem, NOT older cars!
Everything is built to an end, profit and obsolescence. 3 years once the finance deal is complete. Then you're on your own. Look at Tvs, computers anything new, they don't last long. I bought a 2001 Toyota Crown Athlete VX with the 1jz Gte vvti motor in it. 80k miles under it's belt and it is still factory fresh, back in feb. Ive put 5k miles on it. Uses nothing other than fuel. Only repairs are one of the fibre optic marker lights had gone dim and the A/C compressor stopped pumping. Just had MOT only thing it needed was the rear fog light bulb painting. Long live old cars
People love to convince themselves that a new car every 3-5 years is the environmentally responsible option
I am not sure about consumerism obviously it is a real thing but they feed it you and they have been at this rate since the end of WW2 tv, internet, print making you feel inferior for not having the current thing which make people step on each other !
So while there blaming us for pollution and to many cars etc stop making them
And taxing them 😂 bit deep but we’re brain washed
Such an underrated comment, Everyday someone will try to sell you something, so they can profit, it's a domino effect of cash over fist, The grabbing hands grab all they can All for themselves after all!
Harry said the same thing
Your 'tax on the poor' point is totally spot on.
It's not the tax they are after but the suppression of movement. By pricing road usage at £1.50 per mile by 2030 (IE £15,000 per year for the average 10,000 miles currently travelled) the intent is to stop any travel except for the very well off.
@@hirondelle8734 Yeah, totally. For a country that supposedly believes in fair play it doesn't go further than skin deep.
@@hirondelle8734 well that argument seems to be working for them. the rich enjoy many benefits of socialism yet program the poor that its terrorism.
Not really. Our utterly car-centric design/planning/society is what oppresses the poor. Genuinely poor people don't have cars and are stuffed when the whole place is designed to be much nicer and quicker and safer to move around in by car than by bike or on foot and there aren't any buses because 'everyone' drives. Kids don't have cars and many are unable to leave the house under their own steam in this country because there are far too many journeys being done by car. Old people often don't have cars. Those people's lives are greatly diminished by the way we've set things up. It's hard to untangle all this after decades, but we really can make the world a great deal nicer with a _lot_ less driving, so we need to try.
Taxes and fines for CO2 (plant food) production is a tax on the poor. The next step is a tax for breathing. This is the creation of a huge debtors prison.
Keep buying used, old classics is definitely way greener than buying the latest thing and get rid of it in a few years
True! And I prefer old classics over some 3-4 year old modern car with outdated infotainment tech anyway. That is (or will be) the problem with modern cars : they will not age or last very well.
Very true I totally agree, modern cars are bin food too soon
Leasing is worse for the environment. And electric car manufacturing pollutes more than ice car manufacturing
If only my government didn't tax the living hell out of you for owning one and insurance companies won't even look at you with a car older than 10 years.
BUT THINK OF ALL THE CO2!!! lol (well, thats all the government want people to think about)
I'm saving the planet by continuing to drive my 23-year-old Mercedes C Class 5 cylinder turbo diesel, which by the way, still runs like a Swiss watch👍😁
great engines indeed!
Torquey as hell and beautiful to drive
If more of those were still running we'd have way more respiratory illnesses and premature deaths. Only now have we cars with clean enough exhaust that we could keep the emissions standards as is.
I was involved with BMW when the 728 was launched. We all thought that it was a remarkable car. Some still exist in almost as new condition and they make excellent cars to use sparingly and drive with friends in comfort. They will also cover 500 miles in a day without a second thought. The construction of one car, running it with great pleasure over 20 years is incomparably more eco efficient than building four cars over the same period.
I've been banging on about this too. I totally agree. We generally don't get anywhere near the full use out of our cars. Its better for the environment to keep an older car for many years rather than replace them every 2 years with a brand new one
But the thing is - people who buy new cars every couple of years are not scrapping them when they're done - someone else is then buying them and they get scrapped whenever they're worn out. Just like they'd be if they were still being run by the original owner.
If the original owner kept them for 10 or 15 years there would be no 3 to 5 year old used cars for us poor people to buy and we would need to buy something new... Ultimately the same number of cars would have to be manufactured
@@energymc22 that’s true. There is a food chain, you’re right
@@energymc22 the point is thought that we just need to make less new cars, a so called Volvo polestar uses 24 tonnes of co2 to make and a total of 85 tonnes to run for 10 years. The answer is buy an old car and use it less.
What I try to do is just drive less. I’ve got three cars (though one is away having a complete nut and bolt rebuild just now). I don’t have a daily. I walk or cycle. So I drive for fun. Admittedly it’s not ideal for all. Pre covid I would have said we need better public transport to get people out of daily driving. But now we want our safe metal bubbles away from others.
I won’t be changing to electric as it doesn’t meet my needs. But I feel I shall be punished for it. People now see ICE and make assumptions. I’ve had people come up to me in carparks and have a go that I’ve been in a supercharged V8 Jag. They don’t like it when I do the sums in my head that their hybrid doing 10k a year does more damage than my 1k a year, 18 year old grand tourer. Rant over.
@@sparky4878 my concern is that at sone point people might start getting overly aggressive and stabbing tyres or graffitiing our ice cars.
People baulk at the thought of spending 2k a year to keep a great car maintained and running, but accept losing 5k a year on depreciation of a new car. Nuts
Or spend £300 a month to "save" money on a vehicle which has £30 a year road tax
People don’t realise they usually only spend at around 2-3k on fuel a year too, but will happily lose 10k+ a year in depreciation buying a fancy electric car.
People are paying 10k just for Teslas buggy self-driving/parking/valet software.
Perfect point. My £750 Mercedes 97 C180 doesn't depreciate. When I had a 1 series BMW it lost 4k per year.
No, it makes perfect sense.... because then everyone can see where they are spending their money! They can look trendy and modern and boast on social media about how cool and environmentally responsible their shiny new shit box on PCP is. Basically it all comes down to vanity, narcissism and the need for approval.
The greenest car you can possibly drive is the one you drive already!
An AMG 63??
my catless s54? ok :D
@@smallfaucet you would have to drive your AMG for the next 100 years to produce the same footprint as one high end electric car does in 10. That's not including the cost of electric car being recycled etc.
So yes save the planet, keep your AMG. Lol
Couldn't agree more; my daily is now fifteen years old, religiously serviced it's been no trouble in all that time. It probably costs me more to service each year than the car is now worth, but it's miles cheaper than buying newer car, and far better for the environment.
@@saxon-mt5by got a 01 crown athlete vx 1jz vvti. Had since feb only parts it has had is a marker light and a refurbished a/c compressor. Plenty of parts available and very reliable 80k miles on it and its like new still. 5k miles per year no worries 👍
Pre owned vehicles that are still on the road ARE the “green alternative “
Its absolutely incredible how BMWs were advanced 25 years ago.
yea - they have just enough of useful technology but without being bloated with garbage that most people won't use after the novelty wears out
I think looking back, from 2021, it's clear to see a lot of what we thought was high-tech was obvious but it was patent encumberance that really slowed us down putting it into a product.
Now thay are expensive and full of cheap plastic engine parts which fail very expensively.
Look at a ls400 ~
Right it's insane my 95 540i had a CD changer alone with power headrests. Hell it even had a flashlight that charged inside the glove box. And many more things. I'm in love with bmw. My e60 530i has the m54 has over 200k miles still runs like it did in 2005.
Totally agree. The underlying issue is one of consumption that is out of control. Keep and maintain the stuff we have. Use up existing parts and resources, rather than digging up new ones and wreaking environmental havoc.
Great comment Yasir. We should be concentrating on clean/renewable electricity generation and not buying goods we don't need to impress people we don't like. Consumption of cheap goods imported at great cost to the environment is completely out of control. Constantly changing cars every 3 years due to cheap finance doesn't help either. Forcing new cars to become electric should be very far down the list of the things we need to do. This doesn't help capitalism though. ;-)
Electric cars are just another sales opportunity for the car industry dressed up as saving the environment when they do nothing of the sort. The solution is for everyone to stop changing cars so frequently and to stop buying cars they can't afford on finance. Again, this doesn't help capitalism or the car industry. We're fucked.
The point is not the metals etc used in car production, which for a big part have been made off of recycled aluminium for years now. The point is that we have to achieve 'carbon neutrality' by driving cars using energy that do not emit (as much) carbon. The greatest part of carbon emission of petrol / diesel cars has been running it for a while now, not the production.
Of course your thinking is very important as well but it should be applied to the coming generation of hydrogen / ev / etc of cars that can be (almost) carbon neutral in use but require more carbon upfront during production!
The only way for us car enthusiasts to drive petrol cars for fun well into the future, is by helping others transition to using green forms of transportation now!
@@guusguusguus totally agree but I think the UK government need to come down hard on some of these private companies that run public transport first as people are put of buying a season ticket to get to work as it is so expensive. It would encourage people outside of the city to commute without using a car and it might encourage local people to use this form of transportation more than using the car for small trips.
I agree but don’t just blame the end user when the fault is that repairing and maintaining older products is deliberately made prohibitively expensive by manufacturers and government. I would love to keep using a 40+ year old car if it did not involve constantly carrying out welding body repairs or paying others to do it for me. Running a more modern car is much better in this regard and are rarely unreliable but if and when something does go wrong it invariably costs far too much to repair due to parts costs and the amount of labour time involved in even the simplest problem.
When you realize government isn't forcing change on our automobiles for the environment, you'll realize how much of a scam this whole "carbon neutral" BS really is.
Utter truth! Recycle by reusing cars (oldtimers) is much better than wasting money on new cars!
Those saying this isn't a good idea because the older cars can cost a lot to maintain don't factor in that these repair costs are WAY less than the depreciation being suffered by people with new cars that are depreciating.
@@veemacks7255 Some owners in Holland driving a lot are turning in their TESLA's as recharging takes so much time and is still a range limiting factor!
@@veemacks7255 plus the cars are simpler to fix so repairs are cheaper. Only problem can be sourcing parts depending how old/rare the car is.
Don't recycle, don't throw it away!
@@veemacks7255 The reality is I suspect, is that they want us to lease cars, not own them...
Planned obsolescence. One of the major flaws in our modern world. Totally agree with you. 👍✌
Scrap the MOT and the tax advantages for new purchases and depreciation. Yes give efficiency credits for more economical vehicles and those made from recycled materials. Over the life of the car it uses tens of thousands of litres of fuel, if the cost of the fuel exceeds the purchase price, that gives you an idea of how much resources it took to create.
@@cocojeffrey8502 I think the MOT should be scrapped as well.
Totally agree on our throwaway culture and always wanting new. We should be buying second cars and taking advantage of what's out there. Also, loved your point about the cost of electric cars and how it's taxing the poor. Top stuff
A $13 cassette shaped adaptor that plugs into your cellphone; means you can play mp3 files and use your phone's GPS in a car from the'90s ...
That's what I do ...
Or you can get an FM - Bluetooth transmitter if you want to be wireless. There's not a huge loss of quality of you spend about 20 euros on one. And you get 2 charging ports (I have the roidmi 3s).
If you'd noticed, the unit in the dash in this video has one of those adaptors in it 2:45. You can see the cable coiled up and poked in it. An even better way with these BMW's is when they have a CD changer (common of this era) you can replace the changer with a small bluetooth unit that also has AUX input cable. It simply plugs into the cable used by the CD changer.
cassette->aux adaptors are fantastic
"Save the planet" is a catastrophically absurd and arrogant notion. Keep your old car and plant a tree. Pick up your trash. Eat your leftovers. Have a nice day.
Yep.
Hear hear, and MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
Exactly and buy as much local produce as possible. The same clowns who buy electronic cars will buy food shipped half way around the world.
So well said it hurts!
Almost everything you said is a good idea. Of course, you need to plant a tree for every 100 miles you drive.
I agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately the decisions are being made by clueless urban muppets with no idea about cars or real situations.
Greetings from Darwin, Australia.
And that's an optimistic view.. the - as I would call it - realistic view would be to replace "urban muppets" with "corporate puppets" which in turn would make the whole consumerism-issue all the more direin order to please their corporate overlords... Ah.. lobbyism....
You mean "clueless urban muppets" as opposed to ute-driving, ScoMo voting, cousin-marrying, 'roo-hunting, city-hating rural bogans who support good ole Aussie values such as open cast coal mining.
Ah Darwin. God's country!
What's being urban living got to do with anything?
@@timd6671 The more people live in close proximity, the less intelligent the individual tends to act. Ever heard of group-think? In cities there happens to be quite a LOT of people - go figure.
Granted, so-called "social" media spreads the problem of group-think into the countryside as well, but out in the countryside people usually have other things to do beside hanging around on Fakebook or Twatter all the time, which in turn mitigates the problem in those areas.
Got a sore neck from nodding in agreement all through this video.
I've got a pain in the point finger, after up-clicking so many spot-on comments.
Nice rant, Jay, and I'm with you on that muddy road thing. On the whole, though, we're the lucky ones. Driving a lovely car like that along a country road is a joy and pleasure that future generations will not be able to experience. Let's just make the most of it while we can.
Great Video! And may I point out that especially old BMWs with the M52 and M54 engines can be easily converted to run on LPG, thus effectively halving fuel costs while lowering emissions at the same time.
Greetings from Germany, E39 520i touring, 407000km (300000 + on LPG) and still going strong ...
Too many new cars being created these days, that doesn’t help either. Just like Apple releasing a new iPhone every year and people feeling that they must upgrade. Miss the old days when a new car launch was something to look forward.
Yes! And the problem there is there's so much competition on the market. If one brand brings out a new car, you can be sure its competitors will follow shortly after. And because new products (regardless what it is, actually) always sell more than ones that have already been on the market for a few years, car manufacturers want to launch something "new" as often as possible. I put that in airquotes because what we end up with a lot of the time are things like BMW's current line-up. In the past, you would have the 1 series hatchback and coupe, the 3 series coupe, sedan, convertible and estate, the 5 series sedan and estate, 6 series coupe and convertible, and 7 series sedan. All on separate platforms.
Now you've got the 3 series sedan and wagon as well as the (thankfully discontinued) 3 series GT. Then you've got the 4 series coupe and convertible but also a 4 series Gran Coupe. Meaning, you've got 3 cars that are all on the 3-series platform and all have 4 doors and are available with the same engines and transmissions. That's just madness. And that's just one of many examples like that where the product is marketed as "new" but it actually doesn't bring anything new, it tries to create a "new" niche when there's no need to do so. After all, what's wrong with just a standard 3 series sedan? Why not just leave it at that?
Wow you are so old
Someone said wow your so old...
Yes we are But we don't sign our lives away on things we will never own hence why nobody has any RESPECT for other peoples cars property etc.
@@retro80s80
Well said! Could not agree with you more!
By the way, they just crush the unsold cars of the past year, because there are new year cars waiting to be sold.
I've said it before and i'll say it again, they're going after the motoring industry simply because they're an easier target. They should be going after the bigger companies who use far more resources than we do. Ie, cargo ships, airplanes, big factories pumping waste into the air every day. we'd see such a big impact almost immediately
Did you know that all social media data servers emit more than the aviation industry, strange we aren't told that ay?
Spot on - HGVs and shipping and aviation are far more polluting than cars but governments focus on the easy targets of individual drivers. Plus the move to electric cars is massively bias against low income families - they are expensive to buy and run and most people don’t have the ability to charge at home.
Gotta ask? What do you think comes in these tankers, ships and cargo planes ?
Clue, everything in your house, and the fuel and parts for your old car. We are all part of the problem.
@@hoonaticbloggs5402 which is why population reduction is the only way to prevent it. Enter the room covid-19.
@@hoonaticbloggs5402 I meant more than that all of those things listed are one of the bigger issues. The fact that things are transported makes no odd of difference.
I agree, my old golf has already offset two EV’s. People need to see the bigger picture. Great video Jay
I am absolutely with you! Driving a 1998 5 Cyl. Volvo S80 - as second hand owner - with roughly 80k miles on the clock is a bliss compared to all these small sized EV worth a cottage. Old car, smooth ride...
Btw: USB/BT connection is provided by a nifty €5,- Dongle in the lighter socket.
100% agree which is why I handed back my 2016 118d at the end of it's 3 year lease and bought instead for cash a 2010 BMW Z4 with an old school NA 6 Cylinder 3 litre engine with just 33,000 miles! Exactly as you put it for what little mileage I do (less than 10,000 a year) I just couldn't see what use I was getting from a new car every 3 years, seem to be a total waste. It's just bonkers. Most people I know these days buy on PCP especially the younger generation, they don't understand the implications as pointed out in this video or the financial implications of buying on finance. If you can't afford to pay in cash 3 to 5 times the value of the car then you can't properly afford it. My 10 year Z4 gives me way more enjoyment than my brand new 1 series ever did, it has a silky smooth NA 6 cylinder engine doesn't have the stupid stop start or laggy turbo and for just 150 quid I installed an MMI box to give me Apple CarPlay which brings the infotainment bang up to date. I can't see my myself parting with this beauty anytime soon!
Old is gold. Love this example
I hav an 2005 X5 3.0 Diesel. Intend to maintain and drive this car until beyond possible to fix.
@@alen_887 or outlawed- like in Germany with the environmental zones in cities
@@olik136 I don't like cities. Don't go there, or want to. But yes, government can outlaw.. but keep it. Long term it will be a win.
@@alen_887 agree with that completely and with keeping/maintaining your BMW diesel youngtimer; those were and are brilliant cars.
Yep, when i was living in London recently everyone seemed to have new cars, all my colleagues leased cars two or less years old for a couple hundred quid a month or more. One guy who was only 20 signed up for a 3 year lease on a 2018 420i.
And I bought an older 2002 330CI for 1850, it was a fine car. In 5 months of lease payments, he could have owned my car outright.
How do you even find and afford parking in London? I heard it costs like 20 pounds/hour. Can people really afford that if they park 8 hours/day? In Sweden (Stockholm) no one can afford cars because of expensive parking.
@@swedish_sadhguru3854 i dont think most of them used them to get directly to the office. Some went to public transport hubs.
So glad I dont live in London anymore lol.
@@dasstig5274 That's so sad, same in Sweden too, I wish they were friendlier to car owners, should be possible to park outside the office like in Asia or USA.
@Dutch van der Linde ..Maybe his working class cousin that only buys shitboxes
There's a critical part of that puzzle that you're missing though - if, in 15 years you want to again buy a cheap old BMW, you'll only be able to find one because someone, 15 years ago, bought it new.
As Harry's garage went into in a recent video, I would have to run my current BMW for 100 years to make the same co2 amount as buying one new polestar electric and running that for ten years.
The best thing we could do for the environment is keep what we have and stop building and buying new cars every year.
That video of Harry's was ace.
ICE vs EV is like 80kmiles. Do you seriously only drive 4 miles a week?
@@TarmanYoloSwag I'm comparing keeping an older car running to a new polestar 26 tons of carbon before it leaves the factory.
My current car produced 220g/km of co2. How long do I need to drive to create 26 tons. Plus if that ev lives around the south of England the electricity isnt renewable so that 26 tons becomes a lot more. 50 over a ten year life 'if' renewable energy is used. Which it isn't in most of the UK. So I'm about 50 years driving my current gas guzzler to reach that.
The biggest con was convincing people buying something new is better than keeping what you have.
Compare that to one flight from London to New York and it becomes obvious the motorist is just a cashcow. I use about a ton to ton and a half a year if my calculations are correct. I think an ev makes sence if your planning on keeping it forever. If your keeping it less than ten years your creating more than your saving.
He only accounted for the burning of fossil, not the production, like the EV side did. Harry is great but that was half-baked.
@@cadriver2570 yeah that was the point. The 20 year old petrol cars was already built and it's mark is in the past. The point is it's better and less polluting keeping your old car running.
Agreed. I drive an E46 325Ci with 340.000 kms and it's still a very nice car. Sure, it needs its maintenance to keep the experience as good as it once was, but high mileage is indeed underrated with certain cars.
The only car you ever need... 💪
@@daveld1 yes totally agree I drive a 330ci vert 130k and everything works and looks great doesn’t miss a beat
In regards to the milage problem, i dont have numbers from the UK, but in my home country(Denmark), the average milage for a scrapped car is 110k miles.
A newspaper did a calculation in terms of c02 on a nissan leaf.
You needed to do 180k in the leaf, running on all c0s neutral electricity to offset the production emmisions compared to a 2015 diesel Passat
Timeless E38! We didn’t get inline 6’s in the states just the V8 and 12! Old BMW’s ftw!
Exactly! I wish we had I6 instead of the V8 and their endless issues or V12 that’s hard to deal with. I’m planning to import an 728i.
@@hashim_iraq that seems really worth it! Great idea Def would do the same
Owned a e34 a e23 e90 and currently own a e60. I totally would trade any of them for my old e23 or e34
@@bidenisgod6978 def wit you on that one the e23 and e34 are sum gorgeous rides!
@@E_tiBEAMERBOY yeah they are I'd prob choose the e34
I used to like owning big lumps like the straight 6 Jags & 7 series of the 90's as they where big luxury cars but weren't scary to own, unlike the newer ones that are just to complicated & expensive to fix
I’ve got a big Jag from 2003 which is like a ship. I treat it with affection, fix it and drive it, and it even takes petrol with a big part of renewable fuel. I bet that this must be good for the environment. I agree with the rest of the intelligent comments here.
@@henrikbragge which one? Same here, an ‘03 XKR. Yes it’s cost money as had some work done, notorious chassis weak spots and subframe mounts etc, but still less than the depreciation on a new car and can sell it for what I paid for it.
"Nobody wants to drive a 30 year old diesel" *Cries in Mercedes 300D*
I'm crying with you in my mercedes s350d lol
I think we can exclude any older Mercedes from this comment 😏
The OM606 is a very good engine, if that's the engine you have, I did my apprenticeship in the late 80's early 90's on Mercedes trucks.
German quality engineering.
@@iansmith514 And I'm crying with you both wishing I could find myself a decent condition 300SDL.
Crying in my 300tdi range rover classic
I had a fully loaded 735i facelift sporty shorty, and to this day I still miss it, best car I have ever had to just put a smile on my face every time I got in it, smelled amazing, super comfortable, cheap to run, super drive both for cruising and also a bit of fun, couldn’t think of a better all rounder for the money
I would say the E39 would be a better all rounder, but yeah it was a great feeling sitting in an E38 right after driving my fathers Škoda Favorit :DD just to think how great some cars (E38 in particular) were compared to some shitboxes made at the time....damn.. put 200-300€ on an android radio and you have pretty much everything you would expect from a modern car, nothing important is missing and on top of all that its made from better materials than most new cars of today
@JayEmm on Cars May I also recommend an old Volvo as an excellent choice - then you don’t have to compromise so much on 20 year old car safety. I am a particular fan of the 850 (although the R versions are starting to become a desirable classic!) and the V70. The 5 pot petrol and diesels can easily do 250k miles and the interiors hold up incredibly well (especially the leather seats).
Venezuelans and Cubans are like "we've known this isht for 60 years you fools! What took you so long!!!"
Everything changed with finance. I can remember when I was young in the '70s and '80s when my mother's Street only had 4 or five cars in it. Now each house has at least 2. Then, if you couldn't buy a car out right or had a golden credit you just couldn't afford to have one.
Times before the debt economy :(
I remember the 90's where 80% off the people took loans for cars. This is now different. People now save for a car. So yeah you can say back in the day it was better. But now its getting better again. I know very little people nowdays with a car loan.
Never had a new car and probably never will so I will keep running older/secondhand cars
Same here. Cheap also really stand out lol.
@@mikexhotmail cheap also means no one wants to steal your car. Insurance (accident free) is like 7eur/month and a new starter motor costs about 20 and you can replace it by yourself in the back yard.
You are saving the world by re-using cars someone else used before, and preventing them to go to waste. Cheers! :)
@@jmbpinto73absolutely true and seemingly highly unpopular opinion.
Great thought, great video...May I add that modern gadgets if deemed essential can be retrofitted to your ultimate driving machine, Satnav, bluetooth, Reverse cameras, etc can easily be fitted without braking the bank.
I don't do a lot of driving, especially the last 12 months for obvious reasons. Most drives I do take are over 450kms. I'd been eying a Phaeton ever since the early 2000s but never came into range budget wise. The enormous depcriciation of this class of cars meant that by December of 2019 I was able to lay my hands on a W12 from 2002. Since then every trip I make with the car is an absolute treat. I'm able to do most of the maintenance myself which keeps costs reasonable. So obviously I couldn't agree more with your experience. And congratulations to Moustafa on being able to enjoy this gem of German engineering.
The best argument in this video is definitely the “tax on the poor” one. BUT the best argument on this topic that I’ve heard was Harry Metcalfe discussing the harm EVs do to the environment relative to ICE cars throughout their life-cycle.
Yes, EVs produce more carbon initially but by modernizing our energy supply, the use of EVs will slowly become close to carbon neutral over time. At that point, buying one EV to use for an incredibly long time, which runs on 'green energy' is the greenest option we have and something that car users will have to get used to. Also, EVs are becoming less harmful during production still, while petrol cars are essentially 'out-developed'.
In the end, driving any sort of car is harmful to the environment anyway; we'll have to get used to driving less and help others in transitioning, if we want to be able to drive for fun for years to come!
@@guusguusguus 😂😂Cloud cuckoo land. You must be advising Boris
If you watch Harry’s video carefully he only takes into account the first 3 years of the EV.
An electric car you own for 20 years will be better than any ICE car doing the same. Still, keep those old cars running.
@@woutermollema Good luck making the massive lithium batteries last 20 years.
These luxury cars from the 90's were the best thing ever, like driving around on a sofa, proper luxury!!!!!!!
... And potential investment 👍.
@@jonscoupe Yep they are rising in price now
The whole thing is as you said, a tax on the poor. This whole climate hystaria absolutely blasts the people that aren't so wealthy.
Is a new line of business, "Geenwashing".
Well, the point of this is to let poor stay with the older, cheaper cars that use diesel or gas, while the rich or mid class get the newer green cars, and eventually as the poor start transitioning to green cars, the world is eventually going to get better.
@@kevinsaysyuh The poor will be poor and use mass transport, the rich will have the latest, and middle class will be impoverished trying to keep up the pace.
Except it's not 'hysteria'. It's a genuine problem and we have to deal with it or completely fuck the place up, risking drastic societal collapse, a refugee crises like you've never seen before and general untold misery just because people can't get their heads around not burning stuff. We've sat on our hands for 20 years so now things are getting really sticky. The poor will suffer more than the rich from climate change and they have a great deal more to gain from actually dealing with it, rather than just letting it get worse. They also benefit from a shift to more active transport, local living and less gratuitous consumption. It's all about the choices we make.
@@xxwookey Not a single prediction made in the last 50 years has come true. The timeline always gets pushed back. Do idk man, seems like a bunch of BS to me.
Great video!
I am actually considering a 728i myself and you have just given me another great reason to buy one of these gems before they get far too expensive to obtain. I’m 24 and I’m really bored of seeing turbo hatchbacks everywhere and I’ve always dreamed of owning a classic/vintage bmw, cannot think of a better time to do so! Well said.
Great engine, I have it in an E39 but I cant really imagine it being as great in an E38 just because of the added weight..but it should be pretty good. Did you get the car in the end?
I’ve owned a 2005 Honda Civic up to about 450,000 miles and still sold it for $750. I plan to get my current civic to 1,000,000 miles :)
Good video , Volvo/ polestar have produced some interesting stats on this . On average the manufacture of an electric car generates 63% more C02 than a petrol or diesel equivalent . As a result Volvo have determined that a polestar 2 needs to run for 78,000 km before it’s carbon footprint is smaller than a diesel xc40 .
How long did the batteries last? Because I assume they could last that long and if that's not the case it should be taken into account
Such a great example of E38. As new inside and outside without any 💩 tuning, blacked out grills, loud exhaust and stereo system bigger than car it self.
I switched from a 1-year-lease to a 1999 740i with around 200.000 miles. So far it has been the best financial decision I have made. After 8 months and ~15.000 miles it cost me far less than my lease would have.
I totally agree with your argument for using the cars already there instead of producing new cars (even tho I work for a car manufacturer).
Totally agree. I drive a 2003 Toyota Avensis 2litre vvti auto. T-Spirit estate. I bought it 2 years ago for £2k and it has now done 84k miles which for Toyota is barely run in. It does around 30mph (albeit on Uber expensive premium petrol). It’s a superb car if not very exciting - we’ll equipped, comfortable and drives beautifully. It looks and drives like a fairly new car. Keeping it on the road saves all the very well hidden environmental costs of producing a new electric cars.
I am skint. Always have been, probably always will be. But it's not the gruel slurping existence that the popular press would have you believe. I also live out in the sticks without much, if anything, in the way of public transport. So when my 800 quid Honda died about six months ago, I happened upon a 600 quid Saab 95. It's lovely. Leather everywhere, pokey motor, great ride, loads of space. It was slightly incontinent regards oil, but that's been sorted now. I'm reasonably handy with a set of spanners and I reckon I can keep the old Swede going until tinworm comes to claim it. So, yes James. I agree entirely, Keep these old motors going for as long as possible because the effort that was put into making it in the first place must surely offset the effort to replace it before it's time. And I'm skint.
What is your total cost each month. I get your idea. But can you quantify it? I mean the problem in my country the Netherlands is that roadtax is based on weight. Insurance and fuel economy weight prettt heavily. I can drive a second hand VW up for around 223 euro a month. Including: road tax, insurance, repairs, gasoline(55km a day), depreciation.
I bet your car is not cheaper. Its heavy which means alot tax, insurance probably okish, repairs(depends, variable), gasoline.. probably alot, depreciation is probably none.
How much does it cost each month total?
You make some very very good points here James! I don't understand how pushing millions of people to EV's which are bought on PCP deals and swapped every 3 years can ever be better for the environment than using something older like this E38. Think of all the emissions involved in the production of a new car, not to mention the fact that currently a significant proportion of the electricity used in that EV is still made by fossil fuels...
When I was a teenager I used to clean neighbours cars on my drive, I cleaned a 7 series like that one when it was a few years old. I loved it and thought what a lucky guy, now they fetch a few grand and very affordable, if you find one looked after, they are still reliable and an absolute bargain, still built well with no crazy new electrical new gizmos to go wrong.
ehhmm, no those cars are anything but reliable
@@caha9583 by today’s standard, totally are with no gizmos.
The future is now! They are becomimg more and more expensive, so the time is now to have one. My first 7 series was a 28i manual, a few years back and it was a really good allrounder, with all the space and comfort it can offer, all while doing really good mpg and still going pretty good for such a heavy car. Though its performance is absolutely uncomparable to the "big engine" models. I sadly had to get rid of it a few years back, but then i got a '94 40i, and i have to say, its just as reliable looking back the last few years. The only thing what is worse is the mileage obviously, but its worth it, it's really a night and day difference. Of course i got a second car, for winter, and as a daily, because i'd like to preserve the 7 series as much as i can, so i can enjoy it for years to come. Ironically my second car, the daily is a now exactly 30 year old diesel 😃 anyway,the 7series is a great car, its has all you'd realistically ever need, and it was really made to last. No touchscreen, no usb, no such fancy things, but really, what do you need? A good bluetooth dongle costs about €30, and you are ready, this sound system is actually pretty good as it is. Satnav? Anyone who has a mobile phone, has to get a phone holder for a few quids. And it will be faster, and better than most of the built in satnavs anyway. And parts are cheap to have, if anything unexpected happens. You just have to look around, there are plenty of good options out there 🙂
I think far more people (petrolheads and normal people) need to watch this video. I'm glad someone like James has portrayed these problems, I thought only a few people were aware of the combination of the mentioned issues
Subject to your funds in today’s modern world any interesting spec old BMW, Mercedes or Porsche is so much more rewarding to own and can be easy on the pocket with a good local independent service specialist. Ideally in more interesting colours than todays boring blacks and silver with boring and dull black leather ! Be it a 190e 2.6, or a 535i or a high spec early 987.
Spot on! Your comment on pulling away in an "old" car, is 100% spot on mate!
Firstly nice to see you are safe and healthy, especially in the current climate. Excellent video, that strikes at the core of issue regards cars, buying them and emissions. I would love to buy a new car, however, I can't afford one £20-30K is well beyond my budget (and I guess many people), hence I (and many others) buy what I (we) can afford (used). Also many older cars (BMW 728i) a just better looking than their modern alternatives (Renault - Zoë). Stay safe and healthy, and keep up the good work.
As a serial and parallel owner of several E39s and an E66 760Li, I have to say I think this E38 is utterly gorgeous...
Harry’s Garage did a good video on the EV environmental impact and the future of classic cars. Spoiler...classics will be around for a long time.
Can u sum it up plz?
May I suggest cutting this video down a bit, keep out the car review bits and send the rest about our transportation to a few news desks, the general media and public should hear these opinions
I've been saying the same thing for several years. 10 years from now who's going to buy a used electric car, and what happens to the old batteries?
Thank you.
You probably have to spend 8 grand on a new battery to make it usable lol
Well said 👍🏼
That depends a lot on the battery developement too. If we can develope batteries that have 1. higher energy density 2. much longer lifespan and 3. cheap prices, then used electric cars could be a good option in future too. Meanwhile though I think electric cars are not worth it for average people.
I have a 2011 Abarth 500 on 180,000km, a 2001 Fiat Bravo HGT which has done 259,000. Both going ok still. Although spend a bit on maintenance I trade off zero finance costs and minimal (if any) depreciation as both have got to about rock bottom.
It amazes me people are terrified of a service bill yet ignore interest and depreciation. NZ doesn't have the whole PCP madness, but car finance is not cheap even when it is '0%'.
Ironically my mechanic sometimes gives me a seven series like you drove as a loan car. Mostly does BMW work, his loan fleet are 90s 3 & 5 series and the 7. Reckons that era is far better engineered than the newer product. I hate to think how many modern cars will be written off when the tech, rather than the mechanicals, goes wrong. It happens now with crashes. Minor ding, damages wiring loom, triggers airbags or whatever and the car is sent to scrap
The best review you have ever done. Calm, considered and funny.
If the penalty of a crime or action is a fine, that law only exists for the lower class.
Unless it is actually properly related to resources and income . . .
@@The_Original_Geoff_B if only
@@adii2461 exactly, which is why we need to punish the rich by taking their time instead of some (for them) insignificant money
@@The_Original_Geoff_B Finland does a good job at that
Harry's Garage did a great video about the 2030 ban breaking down the carbon footprint of having a new electric car every 3 years like people do on these leases, it ended up being astronomical with an electric car creating 50% more carbon than a regular fuel powered car during manufacturing
Electric car is not so safe, when The battery Burns. There IS not many ways to stop it from burning down.
I think people don't know how the batteries are made, what happens with them when they broke and how coltan (I don't know if that is how the mineral is called in english) is extracted.
I'm very fine with that as it will enable me and other people with a smaller income to afford one on the second hand market
@@ivanmunoz9055 The mineral mined and refined by child labourers and slaves? Cobolt.
@@philen yeah that one
I have been working in business related to both EVs and ICE cars in Ukraine and I have come to exactly the same conclusion myself. Thank you for speaking out the truth!
They are indeed lovely cars. I always found as well that the V8 and V12 compared favourably to the V6 at motorway speeds. (I’ve owned quite a few.)
Agree with old car argument as I’ve done it all my driving life. It helps local mechanic also rather than Mr Toyota or VW boss. Keep em running. I don’t need sat nav or music centres they’re on my phone
You can use CDs 💿! I do, most people scoff at the sight and sound of me using them, but I believe physical media still Reims supreme 😃
In Asia (and eastern europe) there is a large market of aftermarket headunits for older cars (yes even that 20 year old BMW) to have Android based audio and gps systems.
Ebay is littered with them. Provided you have some skills, its easy to put in the car. The alternative is to get a simple dash to DIN adapter, and you can fit any head unit of your choice for a reasonable sum of a few hundred.
It's ok if you people in Western Europe get rid of your cars after a few years because we in Eastern Europe snap them up at good prices 😉
except the crappy right hand drive UK garbage
rhd kits exist.
_cries in american_
And run them on cheap gas, since demand drops too.
We will be waiting for those cars here in Africa
I've just bought a 20 year old Volvo S80 petrol. I agree with you, I'll stick to my old cars
I just clicked to see my dream car, but was really glad to hear your thoughts . I also think that some old classics are better for people and the planet grid wise . And my idea is to use them instead of new "cheap" cars, furthermore I am working on how to merge the new tech with older cars, so that classics could get ev bolt-on kits with a decent mileage . Great video, thank you
Excellent commentary on where we’re at, and what the future holds (re legislation). I’ve owned my W124 E280 for 12 years. In that time I’ve covered 150,000 kilometres. Currently though I do around only 100 km per week, and one days when I’m not working I usually walk or use public transport. While it does cost perhaps 2k in maintenance very couple of years, there is no depreciation and I still enjoy driving it.
Sadly the true reality of ecology will never be embraced by a government like it should. Appearances are far more important than a actual chsnge for the better Imagine if they subsidised and gave grants for keeping old cars running like they do electric cars. Hopefully one day petrol cars can be hydrogen converted.
Se thing as Harry came out with recently, sad bit is that cars nowadays aren't designed to last any length of time.
A Tesla is a great example of crap build quality. It's got similar standards to old British Leyland cars like bad paint work, uneven panel gaps and occasionally the bodywork like the roof flies away.
If consumers in any way valued longevity and economy in cars we'd all be driving around 90s Toyotas.
People only really want new and shiny at a low price. That means manufacturers build cars with short lifespans.
@@bentullett6068 teslas are only here to break down that wall, wait until all the major brands start making electric cars and you’il see good quality cars again
@@hueyfinesse sadly I don't think so. Car companies have built the model on making things not worth fixing after a certain time frame and selling a new car every 3 years on 'cheap' credit. Unless something major happens quality cars are a thing of the past sadly. Not just the car business pulling the same moves.
@@hueyfinesse I know in fairness the MG and Peugeot cars look ok as they don't look alien like all of other electric cars. However I am more interested in hydrogen powered vehicles and tech as it seems more interesting technology than electric plus there have been advancements in the green production of hydrogen.
Check out Harry’s Garage on electric vs ICE, he’s done good research on it. Bottom line, if you plan to change your electric car every 3 years with or without a PCP the damage to the environment of producing a new car is significant and we will need to get used to keeping our cars for 10+ years. Now that is going to be a bitter pill for car companies and consumers alike to swallow.
I apparently would have to run my current BMW for 200 years to produce the same co2 as buying one new electric and keeping it for ten years. That's not even going into the lithium mining and the future cost that will have when people don't keep their electric cars forever.
@@thistimeimhere Rather than tax the petrol heads they should reward those who keep their cars by gradually reducing car tax the longer you keep them.
Harry’s video contained a lot of bollocks and the report he quoted was discredited two days after his vid posted. Unfortunately ICE addicts will try to justify their selfish logic anyway they can
@@ericpisch2732 it was a pleasant and humorous debate up until the zealots pile in
@@neilgaydon5430 I agree why am I being punished for keeping my car for ten years while the guy who has bought a new car every year for 10 years is somehow seen as better. He will have produced more waste in that ten years than I will my entire life purely because I keep things rather than replacing them.
Well done on this, brilliant cars and still amazing to look at and to drive or be driven in.
There was a YT presenter recently talking about electric cars, he went on a trip to the north of England and had to wait three hours to charge his electric car as there were two people in front of him and his car apparently took about an hour to charge.
Not the very best of problems you want on a long journey!
Amazing rant (waffle)!! This issue plays on my mind a lot. We should never 'pull the reigns to hard', but slow down and gently steer our way to success. Legislation is pushing too hard in a short sighted manner to put all the eggs in one basket. On the EV subject I am afraid that by pushing everyone to rely solely on one power source, which is already used for everything else we do outside of transport, we will uncover unforeseen limitations or issues. Not to mention the environmental damage battery mineral mining will cause once scaled up. And not to mention the CO2 emissions involved in rewiring the EV charging infrastructure. I bought my E65 Sport 2 years ago, I use it for daily long distance commute and I feel I rarely have to fill up. Repair bills don't scare me as I'm not tied to a finance deal. And I intend to keep it for long enough that it might even start to appreciate! Keep up the good work.
A “Twizzy” sounds like a rapper from South Central or somewhere like that😂😂.. love these old 90s beemers!
Politicians love to pretend....
Speaking of Auto Trader, it's always fun to see the amazing deals on older cars. There are so many cars in mint condition at great prices, yet people reject them because they want the latest high tech car on the market.
Which is good,because we can snap them up....
Great video mate, couldn't agree more. On your query of the overall CO2 generated while sourcing materials and building a Prius I remember reading an article a few years back where they did a cradle to grave assessment of the Prius and compared it with the Jeep Wrangler. You can probably imagine which vehicle was 'greener'. Don't get me wrong I advocate electric and hybrid cars, but we need to look at the real impact they are having on the planet.
Thank you Jay.
I've agonised over my motoring choices (e90 m3 - just had to have one of the last NA v8s) but then feel guilty when my electric friends shame my gas guzzling ways. I plan to keep it forever. Happy to lavish a couple of grand a year on a work of art that gives me joy (and acceleration) with my family on board.
Only now, I'm wondering about the more mature shabby chic of an e38...
Dude, don't be ashamed of it. Screw what your friends think. They are brainwashed.
sounds like your rules tax the poor a little more. I really hope govts don't penalise old cars, moving forward.
Well several governments have put up restrictions to ban the sale of new diesel/petrol cars by 2030 and I think all diesel/petrol cars would be banned after 2050
@@onelyone6976 Correct me if I'm wrong.. but the proposed UK ban in 2030 refers to non hybrid diesel / Petrol cars only. The infrastructure changes required to accommodate electric only cars are still decades away.. besides we may even have synthetics fuels before then which F1 are currently developing.. Where's a crystal ball when you need one. Enjoy em while we can!
still keeping my classic volvos,fuck the enviro twat governments.i will just look at alternative fuels.
Currently running a Volvo V70 as a winter hack, heated leather seats comfy and quiet £700 and keeps the salt off my 911 🙂
I run an old Volvo S80 as a winter beater keeps the salt off my newer S80 lol.
My daily is a 92 Volvo 240, currently at 418k km, which hasn't backed down at all with all the harsh winters we get here in Winnipeg.
Thank you for this, all my friends want the next thing while I’m perfectly happy with my 2007 Mazda MX-5. No desire to upgrade
Wise words, I couldn't agree more. The newest car I have is a 17 year old Mondeo ST220 estate with a bit more than 225.000kms, just bought half a year ago to safe my BMW E34 525i estate with 460.000kms for the nicer days of the year. Both cars run great and there is absolutely no reason to buy sth new.
Cheers JayEmm. I was thinking the exact same thing a few days ago. Just seen this video about it. My car is 15 years old, and has 150,000 miles on the clock. It has been refurbed/ upgraded (RS parts) with new stuff where it needs it, and the old stuff taken off it has been recycled. It sounds awesome, is way too fast for public roads and is serious fun to drive. It is a lot more potent now than when it rolled off the Sar Louis Production line in 2006. It handles better, goes quicker, stops quicker and is relatively easy to work on, in fact, I have used it as a learning platform for developing my mechanical skills. Lots of stuff from replacing the clutch/ flywheel to RS spec. to upgrading the turbo components through to replacing the braking system, wheel bearings and suspension linkages. It has a bit of history and character, and it is a well loved car by many. Definitely by me that's for sure lol. This car gets 'greener' the longer it lives, and I get more knowledgeable the more I work on it. That enables me to keep other cars running longer. My 5 pot 2.5 turbo Focus ST. Will be a long time before I buy a new car if at all. In fact, I'll keep this one thanks.
this is one of the few car channels that gets the sound perfect, well done, looks like you have a dead cat mic shield on a lavalier, sounds brilliant though, everyone should take note
totally agree, especially about the "scrappage" farce that saw the end of lots of desirable cars for the wrong reasons.
That was such a sham lmao
Wonderful cars. I owned an E32, 7 series. 3.0 for over 10 years. Alas the fuel consumption was its end.
A very thought provoking presentation. I am very proud to say I own a 1999 V registered E38 2.8i with 74000 miles on the clock, I am the second owner having purchased it in 2008 and it is the best car I have ever owned, long term it has not been excessively expensive to maintain and it is always a pleasure to get in and drive. These fabulous models were built to last, as long long as you stick to BMW's servicing and maintenance schedules.
Been preaching this exact monologue for at least the last five years, aint nothing green about buying a new Prius every 3 years, even if it did emit only flower petals, by constantly replacing it you've also contributed to reducing the life span of a 12 year old African cobalt mine worker. Also, I have to say; I used to drive my old man's E38 740i, and without doubt (having also driven its competitors back then) it was likely the best handling full size sedan of its era, and possibly BMW's finest hour. It felt as nimble and connected to the road as its smaller siblings of that time, yet looked the dog's nads (not like the visual vomit they've made since) and was beautifully engineered . Amen to everything in this video!
I bought my 535i E39 for £4200 in 2007, still a lovely car to drive anything else feels less.
Let’s just say someone lives at an apartment with street parking only or a parking lot with no charge point. How do they expect a person to wait hours at an offsite charge location just to ‘fuel’ up their car. The convenience factor of petrol for large portions of the population is something governments need to consider if they really expect people to switch.
Yup - last week I did 450 miles in 8.5 hours on mixed roads in a 12 year old car that cost £650, at around 56 miles per UK gallon, on petrol, officially emitting 129 g/km of CO2. And I didn't have to refuel. God knows how many decades it'll be before an electric car can match all that.
It’s so relaxing to see this car driving.
I absolutely agree with your points. Just to mention something that can rejuvenate those good old style gasoline engines, in cars like that BMW a LPG system can be worth being installed. Running costs are halved, and they immediately get (at least in Spain) the so much cherished "Eco" sticker that entitles its bearers to drive into downtown areas of most major cities.
I love the BMW straight six lumps. A thing of beauty and that sound is to die for.
I just bought a 328i touring E46 in the exact same trim! (blue with Tan wood interior)
Spot on James I have been banging on about most of these issues for ages. Carbon footprint of a new electric car? I don’t know but I’ll bet it’s horrific. Don’t get me started on where all the electricity is going to come from for all of these electric cars and what further cost that has on the environment
Stationary power generation and electric powertrains are much more mechanically efficient than combustion automobile powertrains, so where the electricity comes from doesn't matter too much. What matters more is where the cars are made, where their materials are sourced from, how long they last, and what happens to them over the course of and at the end of their lives.