Inside a Glue Gun

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  • Опубликовано: 1 фев 2025

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  • @RickB1792
    @RickB1792 Год назад +2

    PTC heaters actually have a resistance decrease (negative temperature coefficient) before a temperature dependent increase ( positive temperature coefficient) until reaching a Curie Point where resistance increases rapidly.

  • @jawjuk
    @jawjuk 6 лет назад +30

    This turned out to be a far more fascinating & informative video than it initially seemed! Thanks for taking the time to go through all that.

  • @rtos
    @rtos 6 лет назад +4

    The initial negative resistance curve of the ceramic heater makes its self regulating, while also being quick to heat up initially. A very clever idea.

  • @ElmerFuddGun
    @ElmerFuddGun 6 лет назад +3

    It's about time, Julian! ;-)
    That glue gun was more interesting than I thought it would be. How that one piece heater maintains its temperature really makes a simple and low cost "control loop." Thanks for show it.

  • @philowen2755
    @philowen2755 6 лет назад +12

    Happy New year Julian. Thanks for putting in the effort to make these interesting videos.

  •  6 лет назад +25

    It would be interesting to see if your "industrial" - Glue Gun is also this poorly isolated.

    • @JulianIlett
      @JulianIlett  6 лет назад +4

      Probably - the heating element has to be very close-coupled to the oven housing. I just bought myself an 18V glue gun - I feel safer now :)

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA 6 лет назад +6

      @@JulianIlett Exactly the same insulation, with the same kapton insulation as well. Incidentally it is not an oven, but a barrel, and the heater in the better units has 2 turns of polyamide as insulation, and a ground bond to the Zincalume alloy making up the barrel.
      The PTC element is metallised ( the grey area) to make good contact to the ceramic, and the whole unit has the edges ground off slightly ( the edge) to ensure there are no sharp edges, which are stress points which cause the unit to fail, as they shatter.
      As the ceramic is a blend of NTC and PTC material, the resistance curve is very non linear, but the resistance change near the transition point is so large that it will stabilise at around the same temperature irrespective of the supply voltage being 120 or 240V.
      To see the effects simply leave the PTC outside the barrel inside the insulation, and use instead some steel wire twisted around the barrel at each end to apply pressure. less loss in the hot air. If you have a spring of slightly smaller diameter it also works well to apply the pressure by winding around the insulation.

    • @havocgeneral
      @havocgeneral 6 лет назад +1

      Julian Ilett the Ryobi ONE+ ? I'd love to see a review of it if you get a chance 👍

    • @puckcat22679
      @puckcat22679 6 лет назад

      Robert Hunt AvE did a review of it, and he seemed to think it was at least decent.

    • @scottymac734
      @scottymac734 26 дней назад

      ​@SeanBZA Thanks for this comment. I found a used gun with a 220v UK plug that I'm thinking about converting to US by just replacing the plug (for experimenting).

  • @RickB1792
    @RickB1792 Год назад

    Actually it is the positive temperature coefficient that makes it self regulating. Resistance increases when it gets hot, limiting the current.

  • @uK8cvPAq
    @uK8cvPAq 6 лет назад +1

    I had one like that, it went bang. Took it apart to find a flake of solder had somehow lodged itself into the heating element wrap, I can only assume it came from my tool box so I keep the new gun in a plastic bag now.

  • @xanataph
    @xanataph 6 лет назад

    I found out about this property of ceramic elements fairly recently too, during the rework of an old ceramic fan heater into a soft-start switch for my new circular saw. I was quite surprised when I first measured it, but as you have found once it gets to a certain temperature it becomes PTC. And in the end it was a very successful project.

  • @nickpelov
    @nickpelov 6 лет назад +1

    Aluminium is not the only metal that is not attracted to magnet. There are cheaper ones. Could be zink or other metal plated in zink

    • @vremster
      @vremster 6 лет назад

      From the casting marks, it's probably a zinc alloy.

  • @manickn6819
    @manickn6819 6 лет назад

    Good to see our video on these devices. Quite simple.
    I "fixed" a cheapo glue gun some time ago by taking out the spring loaded ball (one way valve) since it was sticking. Was supposed to upload but never made the time. Maybe if I find the footage I will put it up.

  • @muh1h1
    @muh1h1 6 лет назад +3

    wow, never thought about it before, but how the hell do these actually meet the "Double Isolated" standard, so that they can be run without the metal part being earthed?

    • @havocgeneral
      @havocgeneral 6 лет назад +4

      muh1h1 the requirements are quite loose, simply having two layers of insulating material qualifies it as "double insulated" apparently. I guess that's why the Kapton is wrapped around twice 😮

    • @RickB1792
      @RickB1792 Год назад

      this is exactly right.

  • @callumBee
    @callumBee 6 лет назад +8

    So thats what the use the quality street wrappers for!

    • @JulianIlett
      @JulianIlett  6 лет назад +5

      They probably cook the toffee inside the Kapton wrapper ;)

    • @callumBee
      @callumBee 6 лет назад +1

      Dual Purpose. In this day and age you have to cut down on waste... :P

    • @simontay4851
      @simontay4851 6 лет назад

      if thats true, i didn't know quality street wrappers are kapton. Are they really kapton?

  • @DrGreenGiant
    @DrGreenGiant 6 лет назад +8

    Can't believe that thing isn't earthed!

    • @droner1
      @droner1 4 года назад

      It is not earthed because it is double insulated.

    • @RickB1792
      @RickB1792 Год назад +1

      Each layer of kapton film is considered a layer of insulation. It has a very high dielectric value, hence inky two thin layers are necessary to qualify for double insulation.

  • @jmeers393
    @jmeers393 6 лет назад +1

    Hiyas. I think the spring goes around the pillar that the screw goes in to in order to secure the two clam shells together. Also, if you used a candle or a small torch, I bet you could get the temp up quickly and safely on the "oven". Great vid, as usual.

    • @JulianIlett
      @JulianIlett  6 лет назад +1

      I tried the spring around the screw pillar - but that needed an extra quarter twist on the spring - and it kept falling off the trigger hook. Just didn't seem right.

    • @jmeers393
      @jmeers393 6 лет назад

      Ah, ok. I saw that the spring looked like the ends of it were of different orientation and just figured that it was intentional. And thanks for the reply. Of all the comments I've made to youtubers over the years, you are the first to ever reply. I feel special now. I'm gonna go buy a bunch of lottery tickets! =p

  • @vgamesx1
    @vgamesx1 6 лет назад

    That gives me some interesting ideas for alternative heating methods, such as using one of those hakko A1321 or knock off heating elements, probably not easy to get them to make good thermal contact unless you can find one with a hole small enough to sand down to size, but that would allow you to run it off batteries and if you want to overcomplicate things you could throw an arduino onto the mix add some extra functionality such as giving it higher voltage for heating when it's cold or make an auto feeder for it.

  • @kza691
    @kza691 9 месяцев назад

    I had a cheapie glue gun snap at the pivot point of the trigger, I ended up supergluing it back with a nail as a type of pin to reinforce it, been working fine ever since, not sure what I would do if the post where the spring goes snaps, probably not worth the time to fix or figure out.

  • @bennyboi0115
    @bennyboi0115 6 лет назад +5

    Brilliant video as always Julian!
    Hope you have a happy new year

  • @uK8cvPAq
    @uK8cvPAq 6 лет назад

    I wonder if the heating element has a thermoelectric effect confusing your meter, switch it to DC volts and see if anything is being generated when the element is warmed up.

  • @stevedgrossman
    @stevedgrossman 2 дня назад

    I have one, and would love to know how it's able to be multi-voltage?

  • @OC35
    @OC35 6 лет назад +4

    It’s marked as double insulated. Doesn’t look like it to me! 😧

  • @hobbyrob313
    @hobbyrob313 6 лет назад +3

    Dear Julian, you have now disassembled this glue gun,
    On this way you come very close to a different kind of hobby!
    ever thought of going 3D printing?
    lately this is a very accessible hobby, and certainly for someone with your caliber knowledge!
    in addition, it is now VERY easy to build a 3D printer yourself!
    (at the same time make videos about this?)
    you have 3D KITs that are not expensive and work well.
    Maybe,......... think about it !? (believe me it's fun!)
    friendly greetings from The Netherlands!
    Rob.

  • @RickB1792
    @RickB1792 Год назад

    Yes, that is exactly the case. Two distinct layers of insulation.

  • @ibrahimrahman-1
    @ibrahimrahman-1 Год назад

    Thanks for this video! I’ve got a question; How do you make the heating chamber even hotter so that the tip can be even as hot as a tip of a solder

  • @joinedupjon
    @joinedupjon 6 лет назад

    interesting experiment. Hot air guns blow a sleeve of cold air surrounding the central core of hot air iirc (haven't got one on me to check)... maybe that's why it was unexpectedly difficult to get the protruding PTC chamber up to temperature even though the glue was liquid?
    Implied resistance at 18W would be about 3.2k I think

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA 6 лет назад

      More loss to ambient, there is a lot of cooler area there than the hot air can reach.

  • @SodAlmighty
    @SodAlmighty 6 лет назад

    All mechanisms are mechanical, Julian.
    I'm now thinking of taking my glue gun apart and adding an earth wire. I wonder if it can even be done, given that all the metal parts are massively hot.

  • @peterdkay
    @peterdkay 6 лет назад

    I never saw the resistance go up significantly! It would be nice to know the accuracy of temperature.
    Interesting project for someone: Put a thermistor inside the gun and plot power against temperature.

  • @GenUltra758
    @GenUltra758 6 лет назад

    yeah the kapton is rlly not sufficient.. had a older Glue gun blow up on me and leaving me in the dark as it tripped the breaker.. analysis showed it had shorted out.. i dont wanna know if there was already mains voltage on the tip

  • @JamieMACbid1
    @JamieMACbid1 Год назад

    Actually there is something else inside the aluminium tube,, I discovered there is a ballpoint mechanism inside the nossle.

  • @ecospider5
    @ecospider5 6 лет назад

    Is the oven tube on yours completely hollow or are there any cross pieces of metal. I just had my glue gun fail today by not letting me push the glue all the way through the oven (the tube part you called an oven). So since it was still getting hot I took everything apart then plugged it in and tilted the oven straight up and down. All the glue dripped out and I was able to look through the oven tube. 20 mm from the tip there is a piece of metal in the center that is stopping the flow. It looks like that was meant to cut the glue stick in half right befor the tip possibly helping get heat to the center of things. I had put two glue sticks through so fast just before this I put a lot of pressure on that piece of metal with the unmelted glue stick. If I can’t get it back in place I will just drill it out.
    The glue still melts completely and will drip out the tip from gravity I just can’t push a glue stick through anymore.

  • @georgestewart5879
    @georgestewart5879 6 лет назад

    Always wondered how they worked. Happy New Year Julian.

  • @jelleroggen
    @jelleroggen 6 лет назад

    The two squares symbol means double insulated. But its looks like only once. Maybe the better ground it.

  • @andygozzo72
    @andygozzo72 6 лет назад

    a Bostik TG4 is a very good glue gun , we used loads of them at a packaging firm i used to work for, only real problem was occasional eventual failure of the return spring..

    • @andygozzo72
      @andygozzo72 6 лет назад

      its glue pusher mechanism is all metal apart from the trigger, so much more robust than plastic ones..

    • @sofa-lofa4241
      @sofa-lofa4241 6 лет назад

      I'm looking for an industrial/idiot proof one, so that's nice to know, cheers

  • @lizardofoz5329
    @lizardofoz5329 6 лет назад

    Do you think British tech can come up with an even larger and more awkward mains plug?

    • @Anvilshock
      @Anvilshock 6 лет назад

      They could, but Brits haven't exactly been known for innovations for decades, so "can't be bothered" will most likely be the response to that.

  • @Anvilshock
    @Anvilshock 6 лет назад +4

    Nice "Inside a …" video, Cliv- oh, hi Julian!

    • @JulianIlett
      @JulianIlett  6 лет назад +5

      My middle name is Clive. Actually it's John :)

  • @gudenau
    @gudenau 6 лет назад

    Why didn't you use the heat gun on the element with a spring keeping it together or something?

  • @thehappylittlefoxakabenji8154
    @thehappylittlefoxakabenji8154 6 лет назад

    Happy New Year ! cool, interesting to see whats inside properly as mine disassembled its self preceded by a small explosion !

  • @Roy_Tellason
    @Roy_Tellason 5 лет назад

    The speedups were most welcome. I can think of other portions of your videos that I've watched that could have used some of this as well.

  • @eddiespencer1
    @eddiespencer1 6 лет назад

    I wonder if the block is an alloy like zamak (mazak in the UK, I think) and not just aluminum since aluminum doesn't retain heat very well. I'm intrigued by the heating element. The kapton film insulating the element doesn't seem to have any adhesive on it. Could be interesting to test the element removed from the block and wrapped in the kapton film with a thermocouple affixed with kapton tape to the side to see how warm it gets when not in the block. The block seems to press the pieces together rather firmly, though. The metal bits at the end of the leads seem to be mains + and - electrodes with the resistive material sandwiched between them. The resistive wafer looks to have a metallic band around it. What prevents a mains voltage short between the electrodes?

    • @RickB1792
      @RickB1792 Год назад

      The PTC itself is a semiconductor. The two electrodes are not shorted, but well separated by the resistance of the PTC.

  • @sparkyprojects
    @sparkyprojects 6 лет назад

    If you use a couple of croc clips on the element, but insulate opposite jaws, you may find it easier to heat and get your measurements
    maybe with the plates too.

  • @tham1010
    @tham1010 3 года назад

    please help me, I bought a glue gun yesterday. this is the first glue gun for me. I have a problem. No glue comes out of the tip of the gun. I tried to blow air inside the metal chamber when it got cold but i found out that it is blocked. there is a metal yellow copper blocking the cone part where the glue supposes to come out. I could see it with light and a zoom camera. can you help me. i just want if the chamber should be blocked in case of temperature room and open when it is hot. would you please try to put a needle in the tip to your glue gun and see it the needle will go through easily or it is blocked as mine,

  • @AstAMoore
    @AstAMoore 6 лет назад

    Gremlins. They’re inside everything.

  • @kosartshop_com7954
    @kosartshop_com7954 3 года назад

    do you know what kind of plastic is that black plastic? I really need to know.

  • @RickB1792
    @RickB1792 Год назад

    The alloy is a380 aluminum, not zinc.

  • @JxH
    @JxH 6 лет назад

    @2m28s: Me screaming at RUclips screen, "I SEE THE MISSING SPRING !!!!"

  • @partapdhaliwal7319
    @partapdhaliwal7319 3 года назад +1

    Does anyone know what that ceramic material is called?

  • @AJB2K3
    @AJB2K3 6 лет назад +4

    When you look at the hotend on a 3d printer, glue guns look so inefficient.

    • @NiHaoMike64
      @NiHaoMike64 6 лет назад +1

      Could probably install a cartridge heater in the glue gun along with a simple circuit to control it in order to get a battery operated glue gun that heats up very fast.

    • @jaro6985
      @jaro6985 6 лет назад +2

      Ben heck has done a number of iterations of a "super glue gun" with auto-retract and better heat control. Surprised no chinese vendors have picked up on the idea yet.

    • @NiHaoMike64
      @NiHaoMike64 6 лет назад +1

      @@jaro6985 That's a "3D printing pen".

    • @xanataph
      @xanataph 6 лет назад +2

      Ben Heck did a project where he attempted to make a superior glue gun by borrowing the principle on how the 3D printer nozzle feed mechanism works. He wanted it to auto feed and also to retract a little when you a finished so that it didn't dribble. His design did work, but within a video or two he was back to using the normal one. lol

  • @Sellerona-hq8wl
    @Sellerona-hq8wl 2 года назад

    Hello good evening and congratulations for the video ... I'm Italian and thanks to this video of yours, very detailed on hot guns (there are few on the net), I gladly follow you :) :) :) I wanted to ask you: where can I find and to buy the replacement of the silicone rubber? because mine broke ... thanks 1000 if you answer :) :) :)

  • @Unnaymed
    @Unnaymed 6 лет назад

    Is there wire or other type of material that can use it for hand heater with an up resistance when we reach 40 degree?
    To create safe and easy 5v hand heater. :p

  • @jagardina
    @jagardina 6 лет назад

    Why didn't you just plug it in and measure the current?

  • @jakenkid
    @jakenkid 6 лет назад +2

    Silicone is NOT a misnomer... If you had actually looked past the page for Silicone, you would have surely discovered that Siloxane is actually just the polymer of organoSilicon compounds of the Si-O-Si linkage... Then again, ANYBODY can misquote Wikipedia...
    Silicone is the name of a product... In fact, MOST products are not referred to by their chemical or laboratory name, they are typically rebranded as something easily said and marketable...
    By your reasoning, we should be calling TeFLON, PolyTetraFluoroEthylene... Or Syncolon or Fluon... lol
    Or that RADAR should be called RAdio Detection And Ranging, or RAdio Direction And Ranging...

  • @xander3875
    @xander3875 6 лет назад

    Is there a good "engineering kit" for about $50 to get into this stuff? By kit I mean something that comes with a few resistors, capacitors, wires and maybe a display or two. If you know any that (preferably) aren't Arduino could you make a review?

  • @jlucasound
    @jlucasound 6 лет назад

    Shows how ambient temperature can have such an impact on performance of something that was designed to be encapsulated and running off mains. (Self sustaining). A delicate "Ballet", if you will. The heat gun cannot duplicate the temperature environment the dielectric was designed to be in. Too many variables. Room temperature to a glue gun element is like the Arctic environment to humans, and then some.

  • @DupczacyBawol
    @DupczacyBawol 6 лет назад

    Hmm, and what the quantum teleportation has in common with those glue guns? A: China.

  • @cristianconitzer5124
    @cristianconitzer5124 3 года назад

    My glue gun did not have the circular spring that hold a rubber guide. :-(

  • @dtwistrewind7361
    @dtwistrewind7361 5 лет назад

    I brought one from the Range store, I used it about a dozen times and then it exploded both my dogs went flying out the room and I was sat thinking WTF I've still got glue sticks left, when I performed the autopsy the mains cables inside the unit were freyed and burned, I can't believe I didn't get a top quality glue gun for £4 lol.

  • @gamerpaddy
    @gamerpaddy 6 лет назад +1

    there are no hot glue guns of high quality, just high price lol

  • @TheKetsa
    @TheKetsa 6 лет назад

    Those cheap ones are dangerous, I left mine connected for a few minutes and it not only melted the glue but it melted itself...

  • @inferno6012
    @inferno6012 6 лет назад

    what is the middle thing made up of?

  • @amarjitsinha3345
    @amarjitsinha3345 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks a lot

  • @danielaustin7643
    @danielaustin7643 6 лет назад

    that heater block really should be earthed

  • @twocvbloke
    @twocvbloke 6 лет назад

    From yesterday morning's experience, there's bang voltage inside a glue gun, cos my little glue gun let out a big bang as I was gluing 18650s together, which scared the ever loving crap out of me!!! :S

  • @jparky1972
    @jparky1972 6 лет назад

    Thanks Julian.
    I had always assumed that these had cut off temperature switches inside of them.
    Obviously this way is easier ( read cheaper ).

  • @twotone3070
    @twotone3070 6 лет назад

    I do hope you gave Jimmy Wales his £2 when he asked for it?

  • @khusibiswas3352
    @khusibiswas3352 4 года назад

    I want to knw wt tht thing between aluminium like like rock type mine one is broke

  • @vaibhavgiradkar3889
    @vaibhavgiradkar3889 3 года назад

    Which plastic use

  • @maicod
    @maicod 6 лет назад

    Happy and Healthy New Year Julian !

  • @jimsmindonline
    @jimsmindonline 6 лет назад

    I had one of those go bang once! The insulation on the wires entering the heater melted and shorted out.

    • @JulianIlett
      @JulianIlett  6 лет назад

      That's a worry - that insulation should also be a high temperature plastic :)

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA 6 лет назад

      More likely the insulation was stripped too far back, and the wires eventually touched. the common failure is the PTC heater shatters, and then the 2 bars short together once enough of it falls out. does tend to fail safe, as the cable is so thin it acts as a fuse. Another common fault is the cable entry to the gun wears, and the cores either short to each other or break at the point it enters the gun.

    • @jimsmindonline
      @jimsmindonline 6 лет назад

      @@JulianIlett Luckily I wasn't holding it at the time, it was just sat on my desk heating up. Made a proper bang when it went though!
      When I did open it and see what happened, I didn't much like the design either. I have another almost identical one that's survived so far...

    • @NiHaoMike64
      @NiHaoMike64 6 лет назад

      There have been a few incidences of glue guns being recalled for that reason.

  • @sofa-lofa4241
    @sofa-lofa4241 6 лет назад

    More of the Wiki bits please!!
    I knew that Kapton tape went above 350°c but I had no idea of the lower limit, 4° above absolute zero is just plain feckin stupid!
    I would love to know how it's exact resistance and mechanical durability at this temperature....or on the other hand, maybe I wouldn't, brrrrr! (Off to Wiki then! .....please support them with a small donation, £1 or $1 or €1 is fine, that's how they keep on doing their thing)
    The 4 linkage glue stick pusher-outer was interesting too, cheers!

  • @atubebuff
    @atubebuff 6 лет назад +1

    If they use the same resistor for 110V & 220V then the latter heats up faster?

    • @JulianIlett
      @JulianIlett  6 лет назад +1

      and to a higher temperature is my guess.

    • @atubebuff
      @atubebuff 6 лет назад +2

      @@JulianIlett I'm thinking this can't really be since i'm looking at my glue sticks (Stanley GS500) and it has a melting point of 210C/410F and my gun (on HIGH) is 200C/380F. Doubling the melt temperature curve will probably fry the glue. . Dummy me, the NPC part "executes" faster on 220V and the resistance simply increases far faster on the PTC side until it ends up at twice the resistance of 110V.

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA 6 лет назад

      @@atubebuff Eventually gets to a steady state temperature where losses to ambient are roughly the same irrespective of voltage, just on 220V it will be 20C or so hotter, and will recover faster when you use the hot glue in the barrel.

    • @RickB1792
      @RickB1792 Год назад

      Yes, heats up faster and a bit hotter, but it is a temperature dependent resistance that causes it to level off.

  • @gotyaa8527
    @gotyaa8527 6 лет назад +1

    Sod the industrial type, Good reason to buy the Ryobi 18v cordless..lol

  • @jlucasound
    @jlucasound 6 лет назад

    Did I get that right Julian? :-) I'm guessing.

  • @G_Fresh_UK
    @G_Fresh_UK 6 лет назад +2

    You could hot glue a new pillar on lol

  • @PeterDalling
    @PeterDalling 6 лет назад

    Very much the same way a 3D printer works.

  • @oreste6076
    @oreste6076 6 лет назад +3

    brave to use the word GUN in a title :-D

    • @heikovanderlaar3780
      @heikovanderlaar3780 6 лет назад +2

      Glue assault rifle.

    • @tonysansom
      @tonysansom 6 лет назад

      @@heikovanderlaar3780 Hmmm...full auto glue gun. That should be a thing!

  • @tinkmarshino
    @tinkmarshino 6 лет назад

    man this guy can take a 7 minute video and turn it into a documentary.. It was interesting but way to much yabba yabba.. Thanks for the share though..

  • @zpaceclub
    @zpaceclub Год назад

    Very interesting

  • @maicod
    @maicod 6 лет назад

    15:00 thought you liked warm also cause your nickname is Jules :)

    • @JulianIlett
      @JulianIlett  6 лет назад

      Jules needs more Joules - my new catchphrase :)

    • @maicod
      @maicod 6 лет назад

      right :)

    • @Peter_S_
      @Peter_S_ 6 лет назад

      More Joules for Jules! 😂 Love it!

  • @interestingspagetti
    @interestingspagetti 6 лет назад

    You should checkout Sorin's vid's. Just use a hot air station ;) Actually works better!! Cool channel btw. Uk fan. Silicone rubber entry point lol.

  • @astrixistheman
    @astrixistheman 6 лет назад

    I have had 8 or more glue guns all of them shit. No matter how much i have payed. They all just POP then smoke and take out the power to the house. Though i do use them like there is no tomorrow.

  • @neelkanthkolambkar8805
    @neelkanthkolambkar8805 2 года назад

    Nice sir ji

  • @dustinbenkle2339
    @dustinbenkle2339 4 года назад +1

    Totally not simple to fix stupid piece of crap I don’t know how to fix it

  • @protonjinx
    @protonjinx 6 лет назад

    heat gun? wax candle! such waste... carbon crook!

  • @RupertHandford
    @RupertHandford 6 лет назад

    Need a glue gun if you have a spare pkease

    • @eddiespencer1
      @eddiespencer1 6 лет назад +2

      You could buy one cheaper than it would cost him to send one to you, sadly.

  • @jtreg
    @jtreg 6 лет назад

    Yawn