It is crazy how close they match up! For us, it's now more a "Which tools should I bring" We love our Sony gear, but being able to bring an iPhone on our travels as an extra tool... just makes sense!
They ALREADY have taken out the place of any DEDICATED cameras for everyday use in both photographs and videos. I believe that prosumer and even professional cameras (apart from super special expert cameras to be used in very specific tasks) will only remain alive due to their lenses as in the case of super macro ou tele photos with optical zoom. Brasil
Got most right as I think the iPhone still needs a bit of work with the bokeh on on edges that should be in focus, but it's REALLY close. It amazing what computing power we can have in our pockets in the form of a phone. I don't think it will ever surpass an 'actual' camera due to the scale and constraint of the optics but there is major truth that 'the best camera is the one you have with you.
i mean right now iphone is almost similar to a pro camera, the only things they need to work on in the future is better low light filming, and a bit sharper image, if they add an optic zoom lense that can go from ultra wide to telephoto focal length "like old school camcorder" it would replace nowdays cameras completly
enjoying the 15pro max 120mm lens in combination with the Blackmagic cam app and compressed log footage. Prores is still a no go for me. Great video as always!
I chose my iPhone 15 Pro Max over my Sony A1! I sold all of my Sony gear, including the A1, A7rIV, and a dozen or so GM lenses such as the 16-35, 24-70, 70-200, 100-400, 200-600 G, and 600 GM. When I traveled, I used to carry 2-4 packs of gear. While my iPhone may not be as good, it is about 80% as capable, and I don't miss carrying it around. With 30 plus years of shooting experience, I can confidently say that the iPhone is the best "overall" camera I have ever owned, and it keeps getting better every single year. I still carry a drone, and most of my most satisfying shots come from it, mainly due to the unique perspective and composition not possible with any terrestrial-based camera at any price. A smartphone is a "Real" camera.😎🤙
I think someone said something like “ the best camera you have is the one you have with you”. I think I can agree to this, there are several good shots I have missed because I have been to lazy to bring my big system camera. With a good phone camera you can now take those shots
Last year, I silently switched from my A7III to my 13 pro max for everything. I didn't pull out the A7III at all. All of the photos that go to my clients are used online. None of my clients made a peep and I still ended up increasing my revenue. The main advantage for me was overall ease of workflow and not having to lug gear around everywhere. I notice the difference in appearance while editing and in a general sense, but my clients have zero clue that anything is different. We're entering a really cool era for photography tech imo.
I have a lot of respect for photographers they do fantastic work with cameras. I wish I could do a quarter of what you do I look at all the settings etc and say nope can’t do it
I failed only on the interior car chair photo. The smaller sensor look and the background blur ALMOST always give it away. But thats only on the eye of us photographers. Most people wont notice the difference and they dont care. That being said , in low light or any proffesional situation the phone will never match a camera and i hope people understand that :)
I was almost completely wrong the first batch. Got everything right in the second batch. It's still the edges of the blurring that are giving it away, or something that's not actually that far away is getting blurred.
Same thing happened with me. Only the interior seats photo was the only wrong guess. I was going to comment a similar response, but found yours so I’m adding this comment instead. The other thing I’ll add is that you can also tell if they are shooting on an iPhone if the internal lens reflection of light sources is present when shooting a video in low light.
I got right NONE. Really impressed. And by the way, watching the iPhone 5 and iPhone 15 Pro Max footage together makes me think, should we change iPhones every year because of their new camera features? Maybe not.
Probably comes down to if the new feature(s) on the latest and greatest iPhone are worth changing/upgrading. 14 Pro to 15 Pro probably not so much unless the hand-feel difference is important to you, but 14 Pro Max to 15 Pro Max and the 5x camera is really great. (I'm also on the iPhone Upgrade Program, and since the pricing didn't change, why wouldn't I upgrade -- but in the event price increases in future years, that will be the deciding factor if the feature(s) of the new phone are worth changing phones.)
Amazing video, I was going to buy a camera but at the same time I have to change my phone and wanted to combine everything as its going to be cheaper. Was tryong to decide between 15 and 15pro now I'll definetely buy the 15 pro and save some money on buying a separate camera. Its amazing the power we have in our pockets.
This is the thing, why would you use both camera and try them to look the same. That is not the point, by doing that you are only limiting the camera. Plus it is easy to spot the difference on a pc. But to be fair it is more difficult in a 6 inch screen.
As a novice photographer I went with the iPhone 15 pro max because low light is difficult to get it right. iPhone always comes out better in those low light or bright light shots.
Great comparison. The prettiest photos from... iPhone. My A7 IV is in the closet and now I take 99.9% of my photos with the iPhone 14 Pro which takes great photos, to get the same effect on the Sony I have to save the photos to disk, edit them e.g. in Lightroom to get such colors and especially I have to fight with overexposures or behind dark parts of the photo. On my iPhone, I have everything balanced and ready right away without any problems. Oh, and I do exactly what you always do, lower the exposure a little bit on the iPhone 📲 🙂
Amazing how far phone cameras have come. Getting difficult to decide what to get. Especially if you are shooting on the go and in difficult environments (dust, rain etc).
I reckon Mirrorless will eventually get computational aswell. mostly for it's limitations of dynamic range and noise. For me, it's how good phones can become in between the camera focal lengths.
If you know cameras and know what the iPhone and all other phone makers are doing you’ll easily spot which one is which. Tip? Dedicated camera is willing to blow out the highlights a bit more. That’s your first clue to which ones which. Amazing comparison to show what a phone is capable of. Love my 15 Pro!
Very interesting. Of course on RUclips we cannot see the fine details but for most uses, the iPhone 15 PM is up there. The video potential appears even more groundbreaking. When Phil Schindler first demonstrated the potential to change 'bokeh' in Portrait mode photos after the fact, a member of the audience involuntarily shouted, "No way!". Now it is possible, in Cinematic mode, to change focus areas, rack-focus etc. in video, after the fact. Computational photography has got the advantage. If Apple brought out a dedicated camera incorporating all the current Apple tech, the competition would wither and retreat.
nah, you can easily tell which is which due to the fake depth of field. larger sensors will always be better, and as long as I am a filmmaker I will stand with cameras
The fact that it is remotely close to a 10x the cost camera, that is good enough to use. It is just the edges that even photographers say show the difference between the 2. Especially when it comes down to editing on both devices. I have a side photography business and use iPhone 15 Pro Max and am doing well. It also is great for younger generation because of what they are used to and those are camera shy. Will phone cameras replace mirrorless? Maybe because of the next generation and what they are used to but not because of phone camera being all around better than mirrorless
There is a reason they don't run around with mobile phones in serious production of photography, that alone should give you the answer of this video 😝 Phones will never replace big sensors and professional lenses, they just can't.
for professionals they wont. but for 95% of the people who just need casual pics for memories and basic insta and social media posts it is more than sufficient.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍I like i have Iphone 15 Pro Max 1Tb and i want to ask you>> i d'ont need to use Pro Res Log ?? because i see your Quality i'ts perfect for me WOW what you use for make video with the 15 Pro Max ???
I got all of them right... The bokeh roll off still looks so digital and unnatural to me with the iPhones. Obviously they've come a long way and for most people the iPhone is plenty of camera for quick family pics or social media. But, for prints and real work they have a long way to go. You can really see it side by side when you get in closer the phone pics just fall apart. Also in the dynamic range and color reproduction when editing. Of course you know all this but aside from that phone cameras can be quite useful and still take some pretty good photo's! And no, I don't think phones will ever overtake mirrorless cameras or whatever the next evolution beyond mirrorless is. Simply because the technology in professional cameras is also growing at an exponential rate! Annnnnnd sensor size matters hahaha
I think that eventually regular cameras will become more compact like the Iphone. The greatest advantage of the Iphone is that is small, very portable, and we are always camera ready.
Computational photography is close to the A1 when you look at the subject: but it is the bokeh/blur that is the difference: the interior of the car was the only one i couldn’t tell what it was taken on
Got only one wrong with the first batch. But like other have said, when you are shooting in good conditions, only photographers like myself will really be able to tell the difference between them. Only when you start doing other things such as telephotos, macros, and shooting in bad conditions will there be a clearer difference. I personally don't think that phones will ever be able to over take cameras simply for the reason that you are limited in what you can capture at high quality. As soon as you start to zoom or shoot at a focal length that you don't have optical in the phone, then it will be obvious that it was taken with a phone.
Was RIGHT except for 3:16, where I thought that was also the SONY but at least the foreground blur was real - you can absolutely tell from the fake background blur. It's "ok" but still way off the real thing.
I got it all right even watch on vertical screen mode with its small video size, iPhone is that Leica or Kodak like warmer tone, that sunset looking picture, it's one of the reason I want to get a dedicated camera
The way to see the difference fairly easy between the larger format lenses and the iPhone is vignetting light fall off is seen on the larger format zoom lens do to extreme curvature of the lens elements. Which says a lot about the other capabilities of such a small camera phone.
2:35 Did you just do that to an ART lens! I would never dare to do that because I would have lost it in the ground lol. It is scary how good the phone cameras have gotten. It could compete with my A7S iii in a lot of places, especially with LOG added, that is the biggest upgrade I have seen on the phone side in a long time. Like yeah, new lenses are great, but I would take LOG over multiple lenses any day. Great video Peter 🙂
I dont think it will take over the mirrorless camera, but I think more people will get more into photography and filming, that probably would not if they didnt have this opportunity ... And maybe the mirrorless camera manufacturers will take some inspiration from phones and put into mirrorless cameras...? maybe... 🤔 But man the iPhones has gotten far though, with the quality! I was wrong a couple of times 😅
Thinking there will be more computation happening in mirrorless tech that would likely keep them ahead overall could be wrong stabilization and autofocus are more important to me than say “8k”
What’s really interesting to see, when you do the dual filming 5 vs 15 in the beginning, your face looks «better»/more contrasty on the iphone 5 footage, while on the iphone 15 footage the facial features looks more «smeared» or flat, almost like there is some «facial blur smoothing» going on - could be the youtube compression not being able to pick up all the tiny different shades of color on your face though, hard to say without seeing the original 15 footage - but hopefully will be able to see for myself in a months time, finally switching from my X to a brand spanking new 15 Pro Max :D
Normal person and had a very hard time telling the difference. It's actually insane how far the iPhone has progressed. I look forward to getting my hands on a 15 Pro. It's gonna be a fantastic upgrade from my XR.
It’s insane i a shot forest video in log using the pro and did some quick grading and it looks like a movie pit of National Geographic with some grain 😂
@peterlindgren Now that you have invested your time making this comparison (?), have you considered doing a review for those who wish to see the results after printing the photos? In other words, from the screen, both camera's photos are incredible but what happens when you print out the results? Does the iPhone matches the quality of a mirrorless camera sensor?
The phone is truly good enough for media But for next level exclusivity the professional camera yes I will if course definitely start out with the phone It is do compact and the battery life is conducive to social media tasks
I got like 50:50, the new iPhone’s images looks so great especially on small phone screen, there is barely any noticeable difference to me! I still don’t think phone camera will beat real camera that has much larger sensor and better glasses in front of it , it’s physics. Phones do computations, so do cameras nowadays, by having dedicated AI processors. But I’d love to see the gap being closed, cameras can’t beat phones in terms of accessibility!
I feel like the made the software on the 15pro very contrasty. Which is not a bad way to trick the regular person into seeing a professional looking color graded looking photo
Great video ! I don't believe smartphones can replace a professional camera for at least two reasons. First, unless we buy a specific accessory for it, we can't attach a ND filter on a smartphone which is important for a correct exposure when shooting video outside with the right shutter speed and natural motion blur. Then even if now we have the possibility to have various focal lenses on a smartphone, it's at the moment far from being on par with a camera when in comes to image quality. When it comes to DoF on smartphones it looks natural but it depends on the distance with the subject and also the focal lens imo. Now depending on the type of photos or videos we're making it's totally possible to get a result where it's hard to tell if it was taken from a camera or a smartphone. That will depends on skills
On a 5” phone screen, without pausing, I missed two on the first sequence (I wasn’t paying as much attention) but got them all on the second sequence. Phones won’t beat a standard mirrorless, until we get quite a bit further into AR/3D maps and better computationals. But honestly story is the most important thing in film making. That and audio and light, I would put video in literally last place. Especially for my style. Cameras and lenses can get you an interesting effect but but without story, light and sound design, it will just be shit in HD. 😜
3:31 BRO WTF. I literally got every single one wrong. The pictures taken on the iPhone looks so much better. I'm about to send back my A7 II that I literally got today. wtf. That's insane. I tested my iPhone 13 Pro Max side by side with the A7 II today and the A7 II did everything better but at a pretty big trade off in portability. Looking at the pictures you took on the iPhone makes me wonder if I should go with iPhone 15 Pro Max instead of the A7 II, even tho the A7 II is a fair amount cheaper still.
idk, i guessed all of them right😂 the edge detection and bokeh still isn't there and i don't think it will be for a little while. i think your point still stands though, it is impressive and could help get more people into photography. there's definitely still a pretty big gap though
Any phone`s problem is lack of usability for professional (or even comfortable) use and absense of long focals. Image is comparable in the same price range imo. It can also mask easy objects but will struggle with complicated scenes long years ahead.
Shooting a car is a relatively easy subject because it has straight lines whereas persons are way more difficult with their hair etc. Hair against foliage in the background is still a much bigger problem. However it is obvious that phone cameras are developping much (!) faster than system cameras. In the latter case, software like Lightroom/ photoshop seem to take over this task of computational photography.
I don’t think athée iPhone or any phone for that matter will ever replace a “real” camera… BUT as a photographer, my iPhone will always be with me. It is now part of my photographic gear that I wouldn’t go without.
_Look at what The cinematographer/Director did with the iPhone 7 Plus. He was the one that got all of this started. The iPhone 12Pro is what spark the attention of many pro photographers then videographers with the iPhone 13Pro, now we have cinematographers looking at the iPhone 15Pro, and with ProRes log recording the iPhone 15 Pro already started the takeover._
Anybody with a good eye, can take great photos with a smartphone. Will smartphones 'replace' traditional cameras? Well, considering 93%+ of photos being taken today are with a smartphone, one could argue they already have - for the general public, but for professional photographers, I doubt it. People like you, Peter, have the eye for photography, so it doesn't matter what you use. Knowing your 'camera', regardless of type, will help produce that great photo, but the fact is, there are people out there that walk all over traditional camera photos, with their smartphone.
Just the fact that with the camera you have more control, more agility, more angles, you can choose lenses with focal lengths of up to 0.95mm, lenses that distort, not to mention that with the camera you have perfect movements when doing this . If you want something stabilized, and the fact of buttons, accessories, the iPhone 30 can have professional cameras and it still wouldn't be used professionally. It's the same as saying that an iPhone replaces a calculator, even today those with buttons are used.
Hi Peter, I am sure there will be those out there saying that phones are the future or those saying cameras are, well I say that both will just get better and better as time goes on. On the affordability side, I think that people would rather get a new phone than a new camera every 2 or 3 years. I am pro camera, because you have more control over your shot and data transfer is much easier than the phone, but that is my experience at the moment. I have a Iphone 13 and a Canon 77d. I shoot more with the camera than the phone, even though the phone has 4K video, it is all about the transfer for me. Great video and I couldn't tell the difference, it was that well done, again great video. Hannes from South Africa in the Nelspruit town.
I think that the iPhone is a great tool for run and gun. Here, you shown the "raw" pictures from both devices. But we have to keep in mind that apple does add some post processing, and the Sony doesn't. I think that taking the same pictures and then editing them, you will still have more creative control using the sony
Bravo! great video. I normally shoot with Lumix S series camera and ninja V. My actual iPhone is an old XR. I must say honestly that the main reason for me to grab a 15 is the new feature to shoot video in Log. Concerning image quality I think new iPhones with multiple lenses etc are not so super different from the old X to 14 models. The evolution of the portrait mode is very interesting but for serious stuff I won't move from mirrorless to phones.
Dude big question , i think for many people the iPhone or just other smartphone company will be good enough , when it comes to professional work i don't think so . That why i am saying to many people who asking me for the iPhone 15 the regular and the Plus are fine , if you are a professional and need this feature go with the pro or pro max. LOG is a key but witch regular people need Pro Res Log Profil :-)
@@PeterLindgren1 me too no question the camera is awesome specially for video , I will make a short documentary only with the iPhone 15 pro max . Thx 🙏
They ALREADY take out the place of any DEDICATED cameras for everyday use in both photographs and videos. I believe that prosumer and even professional cameras (apart from super special expert cameras to be used in very specific tasks) will only remain alive due to their lenses as in the case of super macro ou tele photos with optical zoom. Brasil
Yeah all my guesses were wrong lol I will say though, I don’t think phones will take over mirrorless cameras. I recently transitioned from an iPhone 14 Pro Max to a Sony A7 RV and workflows are so much better. I think phone cameras and mirrorless cameras will follow a similar path as laptops and desktops where power users will still get mirrorless cameras.
I got every single photo right. Bokeh looks weird, color gradients look weird, on some shots the DOF just doesn't make any sense. On the Sony it just looks natural.
Well … with the real camera, you have to know exactly what you want when you trip the shutter button; with the iPhone in portrait mode, you have the added flexibility to choose your primary target and apply bokeh by selecting the focus point and aperture in post. That's something you simply can't do on a real camera. Similarly, if your primary target is a person or pet, you don't even have to select portrait mode. If you want your flat shot to be a portrait, you can use the depth data that the iPhone collected at the time of the shot to convert it to a portrait shot and select your focus point and aperture in post.
Well, I only get 3 wrong of all those, but can't deny the fact that iPhone was giving neck to neck competition to the a1 and as mentioned, one can learn videography from phone and I'm using my s21fe, went for this because of the versatile camera setup, your videos do help Peter and I look forward to meet you in person. Love from India 🇮🇳 🙂
I think that a device wich is specialized for a task will always be better than a device that’s not only for that specific task. So, yes, the Smartphones today are insanely good but there is always the need for features and the optical build that only have the cameras specific for that. But for the hobby shooter or the beginner a smartphone today is more than enough and over 95% of the people don’t need an extra camera.
I’ve seen surprisingly many cases where an iPhone image is clearly not accurate, and yet looks subjectively better. Occasionally, it even seems more accurate too, even though it’s clearly not.
Tycker bokehn är ganska lätt att se. Kollade också på en mobil med liten skärm. Kändes också som att du valde de bästa bilderna till iphone vilket gjorde det hela lite lättare. ”Här är en lite dassig bild så det är säkert Sonyn”. Tycker blurren är väldigt lik den i nya LR uppdateringen, inte helt naturlig. Fantastisk kamera för en mobil och kul att folk kommer få ut bättre bilder men alla funktioner du blir av med från en DSLR speciellt manuellt gör att det känns länge innan jag kommer använda mobilkameran som ett arbetsredskap
People may have understood Beta was better than VHS But the market/people did not care. Mobile photography IS PHOTOGRAPHY TODAY. Fortunately we have Apple chips/processors and software that do wonders with the output from these small sensors.
I think phones will always be limited to physics and not being able to house a larger sensor (and not sacrifice battery life). Computational photography has done well progressing, but in low light I'm still finding the iPhone isn't holding up well, even with Night Mode. Granted, I think based on the average user looking at content on iDevices, it's "good enough", and with the advent of Vision Pro it's heading down yet another path (spatial photos and videos), but with respect to dedicated cameras and lenses vs. phones, there will still be a market for each. (Let's just hope major brands like Sony figure out a lens system like Canon's dual lens so they also can create spatial videos at a higher quality similar to 2D photos.)
I want to be completely transparent and hopefully it helps my frustration. So I bought a $5,000 Sony A7 IV & lens setup, but I’m a novice in the realm of photography and videography. I’m completely regretting buying that equipment to still suck at photography and videography. I can 110% saying it is the knowledge of the individual behind the camera… oh and EDITING, you get someone with skill in Lightroom and photoshop and the creation goes into another dimension. I bought an iPhone 15 Pro Max today for giggles and damn am I contemplating selling my camera. My hope is that one day I acquire the skill to actually be good enough to actually seek the benefits of the Sony setup, but I’m afraid by then my equipment will be outdated. Am I the only one who might’ve jumped out of my abilities thinking the equipment makes the biggest difference?
I am really surprised by the 15 Pro Max. I recently ran it against my R5 in 8K raw in video mode in Apple Log. In acceptable lighting conditions (daylight, illuminated or medium-bright interiors, twilight, etc.), it can keep up surprisingly well and partially triumphs in dynamic range (usable dynamic range comparable to Sony A7s III). However, you can see the difference between high-quality lenses and the iPhone lens in bright spotlights (the strange iPhone lensflares). One of the few criticisms that Apple will hopefully fix at some point. The iPhone can't really keep up in dark conditions (depending on the low light, but when it's really dark, no chance for the iPhone). With an aperture of F1.4 on the full-frame camera, I see a huge difference, but from aperture f4 (if you had less fast lenses), the iPhone can keep up better. Some of the most difficult things when shooting with log are proper exposure and preventing camera shake. Stabilization in the iPhone even with log is terrific, almost gimbal level. If you're on vacation, don't always want to carry a gimbal, a 15-35mm F2.8, a 24-70mm F2.8 and then possibly a 70-200, the iPhone can do everything relatively well: video quality, sound and stabilization, all in a small package that you always have with you. Currently, the iPhone is not yet a camera killer, but the quality is already so good that I would say for video and photo: I will partially leave my camera at home, in favor of convenience and portability. And I think that's what it's all about. It's not about when or if smartphones will overtake cameras, but when they become a viable alternative to 1 kilogram of glass and 500 grams of metal. If I ask myself the question: 20% better quality or 200% better mobility?
If they can stuff a full frame sensor in the phone and figure out how to create a good interchangeable lens system, it could one day compete with mirrorless....but until then... nah.
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Left: Sony A1
Right: Iphone 15 Pro Max
It is crazy how close they match up! For us, it's now more a "Which tools should I bring" We love our Sony gear, but being able to bring an iPhone on our travels as an extra tool... just makes sense!
Give me your A1 📷 then
I happily trade my iPhone 15 📲 Pro Max
It is amazing how detailed and professional the photos look on the 15 pro max.
They ALREADY have taken out the place of any DEDICATED cameras for everyday use in both photographs and videos. I believe that prosumer and even professional cameras (apart from super special expert cameras to be used in very specific tasks) will only remain alive due to their lenses as in the case of super macro ou tele photos with optical zoom.
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The edge of the car seat looks blurry on the Sony :o
Got most right as I think the iPhone still needs a bit of work with the bokeh on on edges that should be in focus, but it's REALLY close. It amazing what computing power we can have in our pockets in the form of a phone.
I don't think it will ever surpass an 'actual' camera due to the scale and constraint of the optics but there is major truth that 'the best camera is the one you have with you.
i mean right now iphone is almost similar to a pro camera, the only things they need to work on in the future is better low light filming, and a bit sharper image, if they add an optic zoom lense that can go from ultra wide to telephoto focal length "like old school camcorder" it would replace nowdays cameras completly
enjoying the 15pro max 120mm lens in combination with the Blackmagic cam app and compressed log footage. Prores is still a no go for me. Great video as always!
I chose my iPhone 15 Pro Max over my Sony A1! I sold all of my Sony gear, including the A1, A7rIV, and a dozen or so GM lenses such as the 16-35, 24-70, 70-200, 100-400, 200-600 G, and 600 GM. When I traveled, I used to carry 2-4 packs of gear. While my iPhone may not be as good, it is about 80% as capable, and I don't miss carrying it around. With 30 plus years of shooting experience, I can confidently say that the iPhone is the best "overall" camera I have ever owned, and it keeps getting better every single year. I still carry a drone, and most of my most satisfying shots come from it, mainly due to the unique perspective and composition not possible with any terrestrial-based camera at any price. A smartphone is a "Real" camera.😎🤙
I think someone said something like “ the best camera you have is the one you have with you”. I think I can agree to this, there are several good shots I have missed because I have been to lazy to bring my big system camera. With a good phone camera you can now take those shots
Last year, I silently switched from my A7III to my 13 pro max for everything. I didn't pull out the A7III at all. All of the photos that go to my clients are used online. None of my clients made a peep and I still ended up increasing my revenue. The main advantage for me was overall ease of workflow and not having to lug gear around everywhere. I notice the difference in appearance while editing and in a general sense, but my clients have zero clue that anything is different. We're entering a really cool era for photography tech imo.
Why produce high quality when clients can't tell the difference? Sounds like a good era for photography indeed. 🫠
@@Samson1
Cry more 😂😂😂
I have a lot of respect for photographers they do fantastic work with cameras. I wish I could do a quarter of what you do I look at all the settings etc and say nope can’t do it
I failed only on the interior car chair photo. The smaller sensor look and the background blur ALMOST always give it away. But thats only on the eye of us photographers. Most people wont notice the difference and they dont care. That being said , in low light or any proffesional situation the phone will never match a camera and i hope people understand that :)
I was almost completely wrong the first batch. Got everything right in the second batch. It's still the edges of the blurring that are giving it away, or something that's not actually that far away is getting blurred.
The dynamic range of the phone has really caught up and is within a stop or less of the A1's DR.
Same thing happened with me. Only the interior seats photo was the only wrong guess. I was going to comment a similar response, but found yours so I’m adding this comment instead. The other thing I’ll add is that you can also tell if they are shooting on an iPhone if the internal lens reflection of light sources is present when shooting a video in low light.
yea those green flare dots kind of thing shows up in low light@@HDApex
@@nikilragav dude.. not even close 😂
I got right NONE. Really impressed. And by the way, watching the iPhone 5 and iPhone 15 Pro Max footage together makes me think, should we change iPhones every year because of their new camera features? Maybe not.
Probably comes down to if the new feature(s) on the latest and greatest iPhone are worth changing/upgrading. 14 Pro to 15 Pro probably not so much unless the hand-feel difference is important to you, but 14 Pro Max to 15 Pro Max and the 5x camera is really great. (I'm also on the iPhone Upgrade Program, and since the pricing didn't change, why wouldn't I upgrade -- but in the event price increases in future years, that will be the deciding factor if the feature(s) of the new phone are worth changing phones.)
Amazing video, I was going to buy a camera but at the same time I have to change my phone and wanted to combine everything as its going to be cheaper. Was tryong to decide between 15 and 15pro now I'll definetely buy the 15 pro and save some money on buying a separate camera. Its amazing the power we have in our pockets.
This is the thing, why would you use both camera and try them to look the same. That is not the point, by doing that you are only limiting the camera.
Plus it is easy to spot the difference on a pc. But to be fair it is more difficult in a 6 inch screen.
As a novice photographer I went with the iPhone 15 pro max because low light is difficult to get it right. iPhone always comes out better in those low light or bright light shots.
That was bonkers. Great examples. Thanks
Great comparison. The prettiest photos from... iPhone. My A7 IV is in the closet and now I take 99.9% of my photos with the iPhone 14 Pro which takes great photos, to get the same effect on the Sony I have to save the photos to disk, edit them e.g. in Lightroom to get such colors and especially I have to fight with overexposures or behind dark parts of the photo.
On my iPhone, I have everything balanced and ready right away without any problems. Oh, and I do exactly what you always do, lower the exposure a little bit on the iPhone 📲 🙂
The difference is obvious and huge when you look at that image on a 4K Display at your hand distance.
Amazing how far phone cameras have come. Getting difficult to decide what to get. Especially if you are shooting on the go and in difficult environments (dust, rain etc).
I reckon Mirrorless will eventually get computational aswell. mostly for it's limitations of dynamic range and noise.
For me, it's how good phones can become in between the camera focal lengths.
❤️😃👍 great video!
I have start using the iPhone 15 Pro max more and more also and I never hesitate to use it for capturing an extra angle.
If you know cameras and know what the iPhone and all other phone makers are doing you’ll easily spot which one is which.
Tip? Dedicated camera is willing to blow out the highlights a bit more. That’s your first clue to which ones which.
Amazing comparison to show what a phone is capable of. Love my 15 Pro!
Very interesting. Of course on RUclips we cannot see the fine details but for most uses, the iPhone 15 PM is up there. The video potential appears even more groundbreaking. When Phil Schindler first demonstrated the potential to change 'bokeh' in Portrait mode photos after the fact, a member of the audience involuntarily shouted, "No way!". Now it is possible, in Cinematic mode, to change focus areas, rack-focus etc. in video, after the fact. Computational photography has got the advantage. If Apple brought out a dedicated camera incorporating all the current Apple tech, the competition would wither and retreat.
nah, you can easily tell which is which due to the fake depth of field.
larger sensors will always be better, and as long as I am a filmmaker I will stand with cameras
Amazing to see what is possible with the iPhone 15 Pro Max. Great comparison! 👍🏻
the same can be done with the iphone 15 pro
The fact that it is remotely close to a 10x the cost camera, that is good enough to use. It is just the edges that even photographers say show the difference between the 2. Especially when it comes down to editing on both devices. I have a side photography business and use iPhone 15 Pro Max and am doing well. It also is great for younger generation because of what they are used to and those are camera shy. Will phone cameras replace mirrorless? Maybe because of the next generation and what they are used to but not because of phone camera being all around better than mirrorless
Yes, this is definitely a good technological trend 👌
There is a reason they don't run around with mobile phones in serious production of photography, that alone should give you the answer of this video 😝 Phones will never replace big sensors and professional lenses, they just can't.
for professionals they wont. but for 95% of the people who just need casual pics for memories and basic insta and social media posts it is more than sufficient.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍I like i have Iphone 15 Pro Max 1Tb and i want to ask you>> i d'ont need to use Pro Res Log ?? because i see your Quality i'ts perfect for me WOW what you use for make video with the 15 Pro Max ???
I got all of them right... The bokeh roll off still looks so digital and unnatural to me with the iPhones. Obviously they've come a long way and for most people the iPhone is plenty of camera for quick family pics or social media. But, for prints and real work they have a long way to go. You can really see it side by side when you get in closer the phone pics just fall apart. Also in the dynamic range and color reproduction when editing. Of course you know all this but aside from that phone cameras can be quite useful and still take some pretty good photo's! And no, I don't think phones will ever overtake mirrorless cameras or whatever the next evolution beyond mirrorless is. Simply because the technology in professional cameras is also growing at an exponential rate! Annnnnnd sensor size matters hahaha
I think that eventually regular cameras will become more compact like the Iphone. The greatest advantage of the Iphone is that is small, very portable, and we are always camera ready.
Excellent. Just the 53rd Phone 15 Pro Max vs $10K Camera Setup I've seen today!!!
Awesome, thanks for watching 🤙🏼!
I freakin' love the photos man!! congrats on the "eye"
Computational photography is close to the A1 when you look at the subject: but it is the bokeh/blur that is the difference: the interior of the car was the only one i couldn’t tell what it was taken on
Got only one wrong with the first batch. But like other have said, when you are shooting in good conditions, only photographers like myself will really be able to tell the difference between them. Only when you start doing other things such as telephotos, macros, and shooting in bad conditions will there be a clearer difference. I personally don't think that phones will ever be able to over take cameras simply for the reason that you are limited in what you can capture at high quality. As soon as you start to zoom or shoot at a focal length that you don't have optical in the phone, then it will be obvious that it was taken with a phone.
Was RIGHT except for 3:16, where I thought that was also the SONY but at least the foreground blur was real - you can absolutely tell from the fake background blur. It's "ok" but still way off the real thing.
I got it all right even watch on vertical screen mode with its small video size, iPhone is that Leica or Kodak like warmer tone, that sunset looking picture, it's one of the reason I want to get a dedicated camera
The way to see the difference fairly easy between the larger format lenses and the iPhone is vignetting light fall off is seen on the larger format zoom lens do to extreme curvature of the lens elements. Which says a lot about the other capabilities of such a small camera phone.
2:35 Did you just do that to an ART lens! I would never dare to do that because I would have lost it in the ground lol. It is scary how good the phone cameras have gotten. It could compete with my A7S iii in a lot of places, especially with LOG added, that is the biggest upgrade I have seen on the phone side in a long time. Like yeah, new lenses are great, but I would take LOG over multiple lenses any day. Great video Peter 🙂
I dont think it will take over the mirrorless camera, but I think more people will get more into photography and filming, that probably would not if they didnt have this opportunity ... And maybe the mirrorless camera manufacturers will take some inspiration from phones and put into mirrorless cameras...? maybe... 🤔 But man the iPhones has gotten far though, with the quality! I was wrong a couple of times 😅
Countryside of Sweden is just outstanding. Last time I was there I had an iPhone 3GS.
Thinking there will be more computation happening in mirrorless tech that would likely keep them ahead overall could be wrong stabilization and autofocus are more important to me than say “8k”
YEah, would be absolutely awesome to see more computational stuff included in mirrorless cameras!
There have been made a movie with iPhone 5 :p Tangerine was 5s actually
Thank you for awesome comparison! What about uploading videos on YT? I’ve heard that iPhone’s video won’t do as good as 📸
It would be even better if apple made pro mode in camera so you can adjust the settings and learn that as well before getting a camera
Yeah that’s definitely lacking right now
What’s really interesting to see, when you do the dual filming 5 vs 15 in the beginning, your face looks «better»/more contrasty on the iphone 5 footage, while on the iphone 15 footage the facial features looks more «smeared» or flat, almost like there is some «facial blur smoothing» going on - could be the youtube compression not being able to pick up all the tiny different shades of color on your face though, hard to say without seeing the original 15 footage - but hopefully will be able to see for myself in a months time, finally switching from my X to a brand spanking new 15 Pro Max :D
Normal person and had a very hard time telling the difference. It's actually insane how far the iPhone has progressed. I look forward to getting my hands on a 15 Pro. It's gonna be a fantastic upgrade from my XR.
It’s insane i a shot forest video in log using the pro and did some quick grading and it looks like a movie pit of National Geographic with some grain 😂
@peterlindgren Now that you have invested your time making this comparison (?), have you considered doing a review for those who wish to see the results after printing the photos? In other words, from the screen, both camera's photos are incredible but what happens when you print out the results? Does the iPhone matches the quality of a mirrorless camera sensor?
Might Do!
Please do :)@@PeterLindgren1
The phone is truly good enough for media
But for next level exclusivity the professional camera yes
I will if course definitely start out with the phone
It is do compact and the battery life is conducive to social media tasks
Man, this is so insane
Brilliant content.
I got like 50:50, the new iPhone’s images looks so great especially on small phone screen, there is barely any noticeable difference to me! I still don’t think phone camera will beat real camera that has much larger sensor and better glasses in front of it , it’s physics. Phones do computations, so do cameras nowadays, by having dedicated AI processors. But I’d love to see the gap being closed, cameras can’t beat phones in terms of accessibility!
I feel like the made the software on the 15pro very contrasty. Which is not a bad way to trick the regular person into seeing a professional looking color graded looking photo
Great video ! I don't believe smartphones can replace a professional camera for at least two reasons. First, unless we buy a specific accessory for it, we can't attach a ND filter on a smartphone which is important for a correct exposure when shooting video outside with the right shutter speed and natural motion blur. Then even if now we have the possibility to have various focal lenses on a smartphone, it's at the moment far from being on par with a camera when in comes to image quality. When it comes to DoF on smartphones it looks natural but it depends on the distance with the subject and also the focal lens imo. Now depending on the type of photos or videos we're making it's totally possible to get a result where it's hard to tell if it was taken from a camera or a smartphone. That will depends on skills
Actually, we can. There are a number of companies making adapters for filters.
On a 5” phone screen, without pausing, I missed two on the first sequence (I wasn’t paying as much attention) but got them all on the second sequence.
Phones won’t beat a standard mirrorless, until we get quite a bit further into AR/3D maps and better computationals.
But honestly story is the most important thing in film making. That and audio and light, I would put video in literally last place. Especially for my style. Cameras and lenses can get you an interesting effect but but without story, light and sound design, it will just be shit in HD. 😜
7:55 I got lost😂😂😂
3:31 BRO WTF. I literally got every single one wrong. The pictures taken on the iPhone looks so much better. I'm about to send back my A7 II that I literally got today. wtf. That's insane. I tested my iPhone 13 Pro Max side by side with the A7 II today and the A7 II did everything better but at a pretty big trade off in portability. Looking at the pictures you took on the iPhone makes me wonder if I should go with iPhone 15 Pro Max instead of the A7 II, even tho the A7 II is a fair amount cheaper still.
idk, i guessed all of them right😂 the edge detection and bokeh still isn't there and i don't think it will be for a little while. i think your point still stands though, it is impressive and could help get more people into photography. there's definitely still a pretty big gap though
Any phone`s problem is lack of usability for professional (or even comfortable) use and absense of long focals. Image is comparable in the same price range imo. It can also mask easy objects but will struggle with complicated scenes long years ahead.
can you do this with the 8 pro?
Shooting a car is a relatively easy subject because it has straight lines whereas persons are way more difficult with their hair etc. Hair against foliage in the background is still a much bigger problem. However it is obvious that phone cameras are developping much (!) faster than system cameras. In the latter case, software like Lightroom/ photoshop seem to take over this task of computational photography.
I don’t think athée iPhone or any phone for that matter will ever replace a “real” camera… BUT as a photographer, my iPhone will always be with me.
It is now part of my photographic gear that I wouldn’t go without.
For the vlog camera market phine might or even are
_Look at what The cinematographer/Director did with the iPhone 7 Plus. He was the one that got all of this started. The iPhone 12Pro is what spark the attention of many pro photographers then videographers with the iPhone 13Pro, now we have cinematographers looking at the iPhone 15Pro, and with ProRes log recording the iPhone 15 Pro already started the takeover._
Anybody with a good eye, can take great photos with a smartphone. Will smartphones 'replace' traditional cameras? Well, considering 93%+ of photos being taken today are with a smartphone, one could argue they already have - for the general public, but for professional photographers, I doubt it.
People like you, Peter, have the eye for photography, so it doesn't matter what you use. Knowing your 'camera', regardless of type, will help produce that great photo, but the fact is, there are people out there that walk all over traditional camera photos, with their smartphone.
Just the fact that with the camera you have more control, more agility, more angles, you can choose lenses with focal lengths of up to 0.95mm, lenses that distort, not to mention that with the camera you have perfect movements when doing this . If you want something stabilized, and the fact of buttons, accessories, the iPhone 30 can have professional cameras and it still wouldn't be used professionally. It's the same as saying that an iPhone replaces a calculator, even today those with buttons are used.
Hi Peter, I am sure there will be those out there saying that phones are the future or those saying cameras are, well I say that both will just get better and better as time goes on. On the affordability side, I think that people would rather get a new phone than a new camera every 2 or 3 years. I am pro camera, because you have more control over your shot and data transfer is much easier than the phone, but that is my experience at the moment. I have a Iphone 13 and a Canon 77d. I shoot more with the camera than the phone, even though the phone has 4K video, it is all about the transfer for me. Great video and I couldn't tell the difference, it was that well done, again great video. Hannes from South Africa in the Nelspruit town.
Excellent reviews. Yes I think our future is computational photography and not real camera. Travel photography has no choice but cell phone.
I think that the iPhone is a great tool for run and gun. Here, you shown the "raw" pictures from both devices. But we have to keep in mind that apple does add some post processing, and the Sony doesn't. I think that taking the same pictures and then editing them, you will still have more creative control using the sony
But what about video? Maybe it's nice to make a comparison between those cameras to see the video quality too.
Coming soon!
Bravo! great video. I normally shoot with Lumix S series camera and ninja V. My actual iPhone is an old XR. I must say honestly that the main reason for me to grab a 15 is the new feature to shoot video in Log. Concerning image quality I think new iPhones with multiple lenses etc are not so super different from the old X to 14 models. The evolution of the portrait mode is very interesting but for serious stuff I won't move from mirrorless to phones.
To be honest, I was right in all the photos, but only because photography is my hobby, in any case, a beautiful and well-invested video.
I think (and hope) the computing power will move into the real cameras.
It has already
The difference is the zoom and the resolution about that. iPhone losses a lot of image quality in large focals
I have a Ricoh GR III, an old camera per say. It still takes better pictures than all my phones including 15 pro.
Dude big question , i think for many people the iPhone or just other smartphone company will be good enough , when it comes to professional work i don't think so . That why i am saying to many people who asking me for the iPhone 15 the regular and the Plus are fine , if you are a professional and need this feature go with the pro or pro max. LOG is a key but witch regular people need Pro Res Log Profil :-)
Nah, i'd bring my Mirrorless any day of the week for a real gig! But i am blown away by how good the phones have become!
@@PeterLindgren1 me too no question the camera is awesome specially for video , I will make a short documentary only with the iPhone 15 pro max . Thx 🙏
They ALREADY take out the place of any DEDICATED cameras for everyday use in both photographs and videos. I believe that prosumer and even professional cameras (apart from super special expert cameras to be used in very specific tasks) will only remain alive due to their lenses as in the case of super macro ou tele photos with optical zoom.
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Doing that iPhone is very impressive. I did not get any of them right because I did not think that that phone had that good of a camera
You should compare the iPhone 15 Pro Max to a $500 DSLR like the Canon EOS R100 or similar.
Yeah all my guesses were wrong lol I will say though, I don’t think phones will take over mirrorless cameras. I recently transitioned from an iPhone 14 Pro Max to a Sony A7 RV and workflows are so much better. I think phone cameras and mirrorless cameras will follow a similar path as laptops and desktops where power users will still get mirrorless cameras.
Cool video. Was also my first iPhone. Daniel
I am watching because your thumbnail was so perfectly designed
I got every single photo right. Bokeh looks weird, color gradients look weird, on some shots the DOF just doesn't make any sense. On the Sony it just looks natural.
Portrait mode is on by default on any photo. The sky gives away which device is used.
Not if you switch to RAW though.
3:39 all
Well … with the real camera, you have to know exactly what you want when you trip the shutter button; with the iPhone in portrait mode, you have the added flexibility to choose your primary target and apply bokeh by selecting the focus point and aperture in post. That's something you simply can't do on a real camera.
Similarly, if your primary target is a person or pet, you don't even have to select portrait mode.
If you want your flat shot to be a portrait, you can use the depth data that the iPhone collected at the time of the shot to convert it to a portrait shot and select your focus point and aperture in post.
Well, I only get 3 wrong of all those, but can't deny the fact that iPhone was giving neck to neck competition to the a1 and as mentioned, one can learn videography from phone and I'm using my s21fe, went for this because of the versatile camera setup, your videos do help Peter and I look forward to meet you in person.
Love from India 🇮🇳 🙂
Yea iPhones gonna take over lmdaooo currently trying to get the iPhone 15 pro max after watching😊
Dont😊😊
Got all but the last one correct for the photos.. I said it was really close but MAYBE Camera.. I really did think the Phone too.. Should've said it 😭
THE ERA OF IPHONE HAS BECOME
I think that a device wich is specialized for a task will always be better than a device that’s not only for that specific task. So, yes, the Smartphones today are insanely good but there is always the need for features and the optical build that only have the cameras specific for that. But for the hobby shooter or the beginner a smartphone today is more than enough and over 95% of the people don’t need an extra camera.
I’ve seen surprisingly many cases where an iPhone image is clearly not accurate, and yet looks subjectively better. Occasionally, it even seems more accurate too, even though it’s clearly not.
Tycker bokehn är ganska lätt att se. Kollade också på en mobil med liten skärm. Kändes också som att du valde de bästa bilderna till iphone vilket gjorde det hela lite lättare. ”Här är en lite dassig bild så det är säkert Sonyn”.
Tycker blurren är väldigt lik den i nya LR uppdateringen, inte helt naturlig.
Fantastisk kamera för en mobil och kul att folk kommer få ut bättre bilder men alla funktioner du blir av med från en DSLR speciellt manuellt gör att det känns länge innan jag kommer använda mobilkameran som ett arbetsredskap
I have a challenge for you and I love the channel. Shoot a cinematic montage of whatever you want but you have to use a Sony a5100.
Oh i've done that with the A6000. ruclips.net/video/VxzpnuNHwOA/видео.htmlsi=lrP_1W9mloEhYv3i
People may have understood Beta was better than VHS But the market/people did not care. Mobile photography IS PHOTOGRAPHY TODAY. Fortunately we have Apple chips/processors and software that do wonders with the output from these small sensors.
I think phones will always be limited to physics and not being able to house a larger sensor (and not sacrifice battery life). Computational photography has done well progressing, but in low light I'm still finding the iPhone isn't holding up well, even with Night Mode. Granted, I think based on the average user looking at content on iDevices, it's "good enough", and with the advent of Vision Pro it's heading down yet another path (spatial photos and videos), but with respect to dedicated cameras and lenses vs. phones, there will still be a market for each. (Let's just hope major brands like Sony figure out a lens system like Canon's dual lens so they also can create spatial videos at a higher quality similar to 2D photos.)
When will we see a full-frame mirrorless phone? That's the question.
Is that a Toyota RAV4?
Yes it is 💪🏼
I want to be completely transparent and hopefully it helps my frustration. So I bought a $5,000 Sony A7 IV & lens setup, but I’m a novice in the realm of photography and videography. I’m completely regretting buying that equipment to still suck at photography and videography. I can 110% saying it is the knowledge of the individual behind the camera… oh and EDITING, you get someone with skill in Lightroom and photoshop and the creation goes into another dimension. I bought an iPhone 15 Pro Max today for giggles and damn am I contemplating selling my camera. My hope is that one day I acquire the skill to actually be good enough to actually seek the benefits of the Sony setup, but I’m afraid by then my equipment will be outdated.
Am I the only one who might’ve jumped out of my abilities thinking the equipment makes the biggest difference?
I am really surprised by the 15 Pro Max. I recently ran it against my R5 in 8K raw in video mode in Apple Log. In acceptable lighting conditions (daylight, illuminated or medium-bright interiors, twilight, etc.), it can keep up surprisingly well and partially triumphs in dynamic range (usable dynamic range comparable to Sony A7s III). However, you can see the difference between high-quality lenses and the iPhone lens in bright spotlights (the strange iPhone lensflares). One of the few criticisms that Apple will hopefully fix at some point. The iPhone can't really keep up in dark conditions (depending on the low light, but when it's really dark, no chance for the iPhone). With an aperture of F1.4 on the full-frame camera, I see a huge difference, but from aperture f4 (if you had less fast lenses), the iPhone can keep up better. Some of the most difficult things when shooting with log are proper exposure and preventing camera shake. Stabilization in the iPhone even with log is terrific, almost gimbal level. If you're on vacation, don't always want to carry a gimbal, a 15-35mm F2.8, a 24-70mm F2.8 and then possibly a 70-200, the iPhone can do everything relatively well: video quality, sound and stabilization, all in a small package that you always have with you. Currently, the iPhone is not yet a camera killer, but the quality is already so good that I would say for video and photo: I will partially leave my camera at home, in favor of convenience and portability. And I think that's what it's all about. It's not about when or if smartphones will overtake cameras, but when they become a viable alternative to 1 kilogram of glass and 500 grams of metal. If I ask myself the question: 20% better quality or 200% better mobility?
If they can stuff a full frame sensor in the phone and figure out how to create a good interchangeable lens system, it could one day compete with mirrorless....but until then... nah.
iPhone 5 video looks more natural… Apple should make a point & shoot camera with adjustable zoom lens and bigger image sensor
Eyyy OBLANK @8:55
Haha yes!