Bombardier Defense Prepares Luxury Global and Challenger Jets for Military Service - AIN
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- Опубликовано: 4 янв 2024
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Business aircraft such as Bombardier’s Globals and Challengers are increasingly being used as platforms to carry advanced military technology for roles such as surveillance, electronic warfare, and border protection. The manufacturers work with defense technology partners such as Saab and Marshall Aerospace to convert the aircraft, which are proving more cost-effective for these applications than larger airliners. Customers for the Global aircraft include the United Arab Emirates’ military and the U.S. Army for its new High Accuracy Detection & Exploitation System, or HADES.
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At several air shows, I have spoken to E-3 crews. A common theme was the E-3 interior was a sweat box (in an old Texas prison) because the equipment generated that much heat. Because Bombardier builds corporate/luxury jets, I hope EW Bombardier products are comfortable and come with a plush lavatory...not one of those broom closets in commercial airliners.
In all honesty they're probably not going to get much in there. Comfort adds weight, and they probably have weight targets to hit with all that extra EWAR equipment if they don't want to take big penalties to fuel consumption/range. It's many decades newer than the airframes for those E3s, so it'll probably be nicer by default, but not a TON nicer.
so you mean just like the E-7, global eye is not a serious competition to the E-7 or replacement for the E-3. There is only 3 global eyes flying + 2 on order. Compared to E-7. AUS-6, Turkery and south korea - 4 each, UK -3 in build, + US + Nato. So far its been a commercial failure, it might still come back from the dead like the C-390 but atm there no real sales into the future. E-7 is pretty good on board, its a commercial fitout, about half the cabin is chairs for R&R on long missions. It can air to air refuel which global eye cant, E-7 has full 360 radar, global eye limited to 270
Bombardiers niche atm is the one off or low number modification like BACN and ARTEMIS. With 2 demo artemis planes flying they are a competing with gulfstream for this part of the market. The gulstream CAEW is a competitor to global eye and its used by Italy, Israel and Singapore
I just dont see what part of the market is there for bombardier to expand into atm
global toilets are smaller than on commercial jets.
The GlobalEye will complement the E7 capability. The US is going to buy them along with their 26 E7 aircraft. That's what this video is about. The US is buying them and after that more orders from other nations will follow as the platform matures. @@richardthomson4693
You misunderstand the key issue. A corporate aircraft has to be comfortable for paying customers. A military aircraft doesn't due a relatively captive clientele. A military aircraft just had to be comfortable enough people can perform their jobs. Meaning they'll stretch the trade between comfort and cost/capability as far as they can in favor of cost/capability. A gutted airframe crammed with military specify hardware can easily be as uncomfortable as current aircraft. The real benefit of using these aircraft is that the airframes have been around a long time and are proven. That means the cost of reconfiguration is a lot cheaper than designing an entire new airframe.
Awesome! Definitely a growth avenue for Bombardier.
yes and no, they need to invest more into the mil side and or just give up. the possiden is so much more capable
Suddenly, the name "Bombardier" makes sense now
How rare to find a well, and clear spoken corporate yahoo. This guy is who i would want speaking for me. Really makes a lot of sense. High efficiency durable proven aircraft. Be a lot cheper than a rivet joint to operate thats for sure.
Great coverage about a lesser known but important side of Bombardier. You've earned my subscription!
Imagine being in your luxury private jet and being mistaken for a military surveillance aircraft by hostile forces….
There were once case in tankers wars.
"Sir this the U.S airforce, we request your support"
"Oh finally I was starting to get boooored with my life, tony show these gentleman how we put on a good show"
"Of course sir"
-line two and three in a snobish accent
Lol this argument is always so bad, there’s so many civilian aircraft that have been modified for military use
This actually makes sense. Nice advancement in Tech.
The Danish air force is looking for a replacement for it's old challenger surveillance planes. This must be high on the list.
The RDAF would prefer the P-8, it seems. I can’t understand why, they’ve never specifically said why a GlobalEye wouldn’t work for them and it not only would be cheaper but they could maintain pilot compatibility with the VIP jets they also need to refresh.
@@bjorn2625 Indeed
@@bjorn2625 The defence ministry doesn't seem to operate using sound logic, as seen with the case of the Israeli Elbit systems purchase. Those in charce of the procurement agency seem to be either incompentent or corrupt.
The Bombardier is a good platform. Strap some Sidewinders to its wings and it will be a great platform.
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Sidewinder is short range missile, enemy will engage from BWR with Amraam style missile and will not come close to be vulnerable to Sidewinder...
@@TeZeDe Meteor would be perfect.
@@83craigshagyeah that would be the most likely missile onboard
Unlikely to be used ever, as hopefully it should have escorts to cover them on their missions, but if needed, it’s better to have them!
Great partnerships.
Good Jobs...
Excellent!
It would be interesting to see Pilatus go down the same path with the PC-24, I am sure it would be very popular considering the STOL/rugged airfield/steep approach and departure capabilities. It's the most versatile and rugged of the private jets, something important for militaries all around the world.
Very true
Gulfstream has also been doing this for a while with their bizjets in partnership with Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) which does the airframe modifications and provides the mission systems.
There's something so cool about strapping missiles to luxury (normally private) jets.
Emb 145 looks good with weapons
Imagine flying in a private jet to your vacation, then the pilot letting you know they are going to combat mode against an enemy air force.
Bravo!!
I always wondered why we don’t just use business jet platforms as missile trucks
because it makes every plane with that return on radar a target, civilian or not... The idea has been floated alot every decade or so and always stopped because of that risk.
@@hobojoe694 bullshit excuse, EWACS and Tanker planes are already based off civilian designs.
Doesn’t take much to disrupt the civilian silhouette with the absence of windows and presence of missile pylons and lengthened nose to accomodate radar.
Afaik Iraq had a Dassault like that.
@@carlosandleon exactly, support aircraft that are hundreds of miles away from any front line.
Not a bomb or missile truck, closest thing to that would be the P8.
The idea for using other designs as a missile truck has been floated for other large civilian jets such as the 747, and was specifically turned down because of the risk.
Ask malaysian airlines or korean airlines @@carlosandleon
@@carlosandleonIntellectual lightweight take.
Bro is literally stating a confirmable fact and your response is basically, “nuh uh, I don’t think so.”
I would love it for my national air force
❤ Blessing Like James Beker... You Are Intelligent 727 Challenger.. ❤.
I'd love to have an AMMRAM on my Global 8000
NGL looks cool af
can i place order ?
They eating lots of smarties: Very high tech well engineered
Finally
0:09 that's an Indian Air force Netra-I Airborne Early Warning and Control aircraft programme by DRDO & is based on the Brazilian Embraer e99 (look at horizontal stabilize with extra fins) aircraft.
Huh....it looks like a Bombardier Global to me
@@robf1801 search e99 embraer & look at the tail horizontal stabilize fins. ✌️
Huge fan of Bombardier, Military is a tough bid to crack. Cannot wait to see what you bring to the party.
UAE was the launch customer
They are basically hot-rodding the passenger planes into flying fortresses.
Dear NetJets, can I have some AIM and BVR weapons on my Global 6000.... Please.
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Very cool. The smartphone analogy is off. In actuality the bulk of the phone is made up of battery, case, camera and screen. The "chips" and circuitry are a small part of a phone's footprint. So much smaller potentially, which works well with the smaller airframe
They bought it when Saab released the get. It’s been around for a while now
I haven't been convinced that the Boeing P-8A is the right replacement for Canada's CP-140s, and I am less convinced now. At 3:15 (and maybe 1:05) we see aircraft with MADs. That is something the CP-140 can do that the P-8 can't. I would like to see how a Bombardier Global 8000 based MSA/ASW would stack up against the P-8. The Global 8000 will have 2.7 times the range of the 737-800.
Oh thank God now India and Jamaica trips won't be double the cost. I'm so relieved . All hail Justine
Is not new, the iraquis converted a Falcon 50 to Anti-ship role with Dassault help, they put the Agave radar and pilons for two AM-39 Exocet.
In May of 1987 the plane attacked the USS Stark with two missiles, killing 37 sailors.
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I had a 4 hour flight on a CRJ and after that I said no more. Three hours is about as much as I can handle in a jet the size of the Challenger.
You're comparing a city bus to a Rolls Royce you will never fly on a more comfortable plane than a global.
i think there's a pill for that...
Very cool airplanes. However the picture of one being utilized as a bomber seems laughable/ rediculous, if the mission involved [would be] bombing a nation with actual air-to-air combat fighter jets.
Countries have successfully used business jets as missile platforms already. Some have been modified to fire cruise missiles. The USS stark was hit with exocet missiles fired by a Dassault Falcon 50 business jet more than 35 years ago.
That's not a bomber, it's an ASW platform to replace the CP-103 Aurora. It's a proposed P-8 competitor.
sad that our own gov doesn't use this jet in some capacity
Mercenary
WAR - IS BUSINESS
luxury business
The love child of a f-16 and a-10
A lot of corporations have a lot of incentives to want perpetual wars.
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3:13 Bad Attitude...
The need to adapt their military airlift aircraft to medium bombers. Smart bombs are too expensive for any country. Fighter jets too expensive to be the delivery vehicle.
I'm Canadian. Bombardier is one of the most hated Canadian companies by Canadians. We were routing for them to lose our own military contracts, lol.
And what have they done to get that kind of hatred?
@@sic5764 They build a jet called the C-Series. They needed billions in bailouts from The Canadian and Quebec Governments. When the aircraft was finished, they sold the rights to the jet to Airbus for $1 to compete with Boeing.
After receiving billions in bailouts they fired thousands of employees and gave their CEOs millions in bonuses. They're a Quebec company, and Quebec is hated by the rest of Canada because they get $11.5 billion in a thing called equalization payments from the rest of Canadian provinces. Equalization payments are basically welfare. It's because their economy can't support their population to give them standard Canadian living. Yet, the province thinks they're better than everyone because they speak French.
The company is also friendly with Trudeau, he's easily the most hated prime minister in Canadian history. So they have a lot of little things wrong with them that just annoy the rest of Canada. It's a long complicated story.
@@dodoDodo-of6pu Well that makes sense then, thank you for the answer!
The problem then was not Bombardier. The problem was the way the provincial gouvernement elected to support Bombardier.
@naspotsev4658 the problem was indeed Bombardier if the company needed infusions for federal and provincial cash to bring a commercial aircraft to market.
So why do they have that small radar bar set up on pylons when instead they might build an AESA system taking full advantage of of the volume of sensors for that space?
It has an adaptive AESA radar, Seaspray 7500E maritime surveillance radar and an electro-optical/infrared sensor.
@@LigerSupremacy I know what some of those words mean! Haha cool, thanks for sharing.
I don't know what you would like to see instead, but that is an AESA system mounted on the top of the Globaleye. And it's not a Seaspray 7500E, it's a SAAB Erieye ER radar system.
Canada should have selected the Bombardier over the boeing for maritime patrol or as a VIP transport maybe even a tanker. While using DASH 8s for search and rescue since the planes use applied tech therefore realistic. Canada would still have to import jetfighter planes and build copies of American and foreign helicopters.
Canada has Challengers for multiple roles including executive transport; they are designated CC-144.
The larger Global Express family are larger than needed for the roles filled by the Challenger, but they're not nearly large enough to replace thd old CC-150 Polaris (Airbus A310) or its CC-330 Husky (Airbus 330) replacement.
Excuse me sir but you have your head up your a$$. Bombardier continues to make politicly bids for Canadian jobs with out even providing a proto type to industry hence Canada continuing to lag be hind in all military procurements. It’s time to stop making military purchases political which Bombardier continually does at the cost of Canadas security.
Canada selected the P8 for the long range maritime role and could complement them with the Globaleye for other roles. It's still in the cards if a drone doesn't take up that role first.
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Nothing should have missiles unless it has ejection seats. Youd be a fool to fly it.
The picture of one being utilized as a bomber seems laughable/ rediculous, if the mission involved [would be] bombing a nation with actual air-to-air combat fighter jets. And as you correctly pointed out, it would be suiciding taxpayer dollars to likely abandoned aircraft (assuming it did have ejection seats). I would hope that any nation's Miltary that are marketed such aircraft by Bombardier would also rapidly come to the same conclusion.
I guess warships and AFVs should have ejection seats according to you! The Boeing P8 that the US, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, Norway, India and others fly is armed with missiles and torpedoes. It has never had an issue.
Warships? Try to stay focused Timmy.@@LigerSupremacy
If only Bombardier could stand on it's own two feet without taxpayer funded government subsidies.
It already does. Bombardier sold off its entire commercial aircraft business and now focuses on private jets and military aircraft.
I have been waiting for this news from Bombardier. Instead of spending money $75 billion on F-35s, Canada should invest in its aircraft and software industry to protect its airspace by developing aerial surveillance platforms, chipsets, systems and algorithms. Bombardier can play a crucial role in collaboration with Canada's BlackBerry, an icon in communication technology. The federal government should allocate resources for more research to improve cost-effective transportation solutions for the world in the air transportation business and better surveillance for its vast airspace, seas and land, especially in the Arctic.
I'm not Canadian, but I question the "instead of" portion of your premise. Great surveillance is undoubtedly necessary & valuable, but without the fighter planes to mount an effective pursuit & defense, surveillance alone won't accomplish much.
@@davidkottman3440 You are right, specializing in radar development and air defence systems. This development can update Canadian Air Force assets and make room for not-that-expensive, maintenance-wise equipment like F-35s. For example, SABB fighters are designed to counter the RUSSIANS at half the price, with better electronic warfare suits and easy operation with NATO partners. If the US gives Canada the F-22, that's a brotherhood deal; Canada does not need an expansive F-35 at the cost of its industrial development or R&D in defence since it would cost $75 billion, making Lockheed Martin richer instead of establishing research infrastructure, investing in human capital and technology development at home. I hope it makes sense.
@@zaffazad4040 For sure the F-35 isn't the only plane worth having. I think they have become cheaper, but at a few years ago the price of one F35 squadron would buy 3 of the Saab....seems like more is better when there's a lot of territory to cover.
The F-35 is so much cheaper than the F-22, it's not even close. The RCAF wouldn't be able to afford the F-22 either, it's far more expensive maintenance wise. Plus the Americans cancelled production of the F-22 over a decade ago and it's going to be retired in a decade or so. Only 195 F-22s were built (Over 1000 F-35s have been built, also is the 7th most used tactical jet in the world) and the USA isn't giving Canada theirs under any circumstance. @@zaffazad4040
@@davidkottman3440 Yes, and it's about the maintenance cost, which puts a big question on the reliability and availability of the equipment in real-time.
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I wish Canadian Government instead buying F35 helps to develop Bombardier Fighter jet They can The War stuff they are option Jobs for Canadian make sense
Very interesting. A business model that relies upon billionaires and taxpayer funded government contracts. The military industrial complex will not be denied
Cant wait for jeff bezos to own his own AWACs!
looks like something Iraq would use to attack American warships in the 80s
Epstein really appreciated this😂
In 2020 the Canadian government bought two Bombardier Challenger Jets one just broke down a couple days ago and left the prime minister of Canada stranded in Jamaica biggest waste of 30 million of taxpayer money and now Bombardier wants to make a maritime aircraft for the Canadian Air Force that's going to happen that's why both the Canadian Air Force and the Canadian government bought the Bowen P8 Poseidon
trudeau is joker
Sometimes aircraft break. That's why the role of aircraft technician exists.
Canada has had CC-144 Challengers for decades; the two purchased in 2020 are just the most recent of 20 aircraft of four different generations.
Very little of the use of these aircraft is for executive transport.
Just a typo: the maritime patrol aircraft is the *Boeing* P8 Poseiden.
partial information, careful omission of details, a kind of untruth...
now if they can keep their act together and not be bailed out by Canadian governments......
Bombardier! You holding up the necessity of a new Anti Sub Aircraft for the Canadian Airforce which is the Boeing P3 stop your Diplomatic BS in creating jobs in Quebec and help give our Canadian forces what they need to do their job and keep Canada safe. You still don’t have a proto type.
They just won a contract with the US for development of the platform. Saab already uses the platform.
Canada chose the P8 for long range maritime surveillance already. The Globaleye is a cheaper and more cost effective solution for medium range surveillance. That's why the US chose it to complement their larger E7 aircraft.
@LigerSupremacy I know it was chosen already. The 737 and 6500 have almost identical range. The Global is just cheaper to operate by over 50%
The P8 contract will still gives jobs to Quebec.
@@ferleychery7540 you’re a genius
Curious how this Company has literally been kept afloat on the backs of Canadian TAX PAYERS for decades via subsidies, etc.. and yet THIS AIRCRAFT in this form is NOT in service of the Canadian Armed Forces!??
Quebec kept in afloat, Canada destroyed Bombardier aerospace, they killed it. BBd paid every single penny back plus billions in taxes. Phoque Canada
Here we go again. Once more the taxpayers are paying to keep this company alive. If the government faucet is turned off, I wonder just how long this leech will continue to exist.
But, but, where railguns? Where hypersonic nuclear cruise missiles? Where stealth? Where Mach 8 air superiority 15G capabilities? Why it can't hold an 80 ton MBT? Why it can't hold an infantry division? All. At. Once. Sorry, the U.S. military can't use it. If it doesn't cost $5 billion U.S. dollars, and do all of the above, per airframe, it's a failure.
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Oh yay, something else for Canadian taxpayers to subsidize.
The US bought the system and Canada stopped subsidizing Bombardier years ago. That's why they sold off their entire commercial aircraft business.
@@LigerSupremacy Bombardier has always been a leach on Canadian taxpayers and always will be. It's a Quebec based company that can't compete globally without subsidization.