When you put it like that, it doesn't seem to be as bad as everyone is making out. If they'd just stuck the Flip's camera on the Neo and called it the Neo 2 Pro though, we'd all be having a very different conversation.
Yeah, the idea that it's a 'bad' drone is silly. You said it perfectly - if the conversation was how it was an upgrade on the Neo for £100 extra then everyone would be raving about it. Instead it's perceived a downgrade on the Mini 4 Pro so pointing out what it doesn't have makes it a bad drone if you forget or ignore the fact it's half the price.
Thanks for pointing this out. When you deduct the cost of all the extras included in the Fly More combo, the drone itself is only $300 (CDN). The Neo alone sells for $250 here so the extra $50 for the better camera is definitely worth it. I'm sure that future firmware updates will sort out any bugs.
Yup, that's what I was getting at. Many people compare the fly more combos and say the Mini 4 Pro is only £300 more expensive. But £300 extra is a lot if you don't have it or don't want to invest £979 into a drone combo. If you can dip your toe in for £369 and get a Mini 4 Pro camera on a Flip airframe then that seems alright to me.
Flip have same camera as Mini 4 Pro with quicker set up and don’t have to use carry controller like the Neo. It’s very versatile. I always notice the noise in every Neo footage I’ve seen and read hundreds of comments about Neo’s flyaways. It really does sit between the cheapest Neo and more expensive Mini 4 Pro. Flip is good choice for my needs.
I just did a side by side of mini 3 pro and flip photos taken at 48 megapixels, with the same settings, from the same place and at the same time. Mini 3 pro photos looked better, and much more detailed on zooming in. A lot of creators are saying the flip's camera is on a par with the mini 4 pro. I'm not sure this is the case. I'd be interested to know if anyone else has looked at this closely. Could it be firmware or processing?
First off, I appreciate your logic about what to expect out a a drone that cost about half as much. My only disagreement comes when DJI gives consumers the false sense that the “Flip” will fly as good as the Mini 3 of Mini 4 Pro in windy conditions because they all have the same “Level-5” wind resistance. The “Flip” cannot, simply due to its design. Please prove me wrong. Thank you!
The pricing in your country is so different to ours! The Flip with N3 controller and one battery costs $819! While the Neo combo with 2 batteries and the n3 controller costs $574, thats a huge difference! Also in my country, the Flip combo with the RC2 controller is $1349, for the m4p combo with RC2 controller is $1819 or just 35% more expensive, the m4p plus combo is $1999 or 48% more expensive.
That's a nice bit of introspection to put the Flip and potential buyers in perspective. We will be walking the Herriot Way in September, 4 days and 48 miles. Our luggage will be moved for us so we'll have just a day pack on the hike. I want to take a drone, but don't want the bulk and weight of a controller. I've looked at the limitations of flying the Flip without a controller and still think that for the hike I can achieve the footage I'm hoping to capture. I'll fly as safe as possible, avoiding the conditions that could lead to crashes. I'm a hobbyist and not interested in spending a lot of money. Your test footage is impressive and when I'm back home and have the controller, I think it will more than meet my needs. Thanks for your thoughts.
Although you don't get full manual control over the camera with the phone, 90% of the time you won't know because the camera is very high quality. Only when you're getting into the nuances of auto exposure vs fixed manual exposure, ND filters and such like, do you need manual control. But in terms of high quality images, the Flip is a great choice with mobile control. This is in stark contrast to the Neo where phone control results in often over exposed shots with wild exposure and WB shifts mid-shot, not to mention the over-sharpened nature of the image that you can't change on the phone. There's no comparison in terms of image quality between those two drones.
Great video as always, just an idea but some other RUclipsrs provide a few clips to download and tinker with, is this something you would consider doing as you get much better clips than most??
While I've never seen a Flip in real life, when folded it looks to be very similar in volume to my mini 4 + controller. Add the controller to the Flip and I wouldn't have space for it in my bag... I've obviously never heard the drone either, but I prefer to remain inconspicuous, so any louder than the mini 4 is a big negative for me. I'd also think it's not in Dji's best interests to make drones louder than necessary because it's not going to help the acceptance of the drone community by the general public. I also don't think it's fair to compare the price of the Flip without the controller because it's not available separately, and judging by Dji's mini 4 strategy it may never be (unless you have more information). I wouldn't be concerned about running in to a "wall" in the fog because I wouldn't be flying in those conditions, and line of sight would be limited anyway. There are comments around that Dji has forgotten the mini 4 and now they've brought out 2 completely new drones at a far greater effort than the correction of a few minor issues. I'd like to have the option of preventing the lights turning off during recording which is necessary for night flights. A really minor change because they've already implemented it for the C1 version, but it doesn't look like Dji are very interested in supporting existing customers.
100% agree also in a way not releasing a flip standalone was a bad idea but i figure they felt this would make money if they released it right away with that option. The 320 euro vs 610 euro (mini pro 4) should be the starting point in many reviews... Also the fact that most reviews come from 2 camps either the 'i already own a many bigger drones' or 'i want fpv drones' and both make a weird compare. A flying osmo3/action5pro is better way to frame it for 320 euro's is amazing.
Great summary of some of the criticisms. The results of our survey with 90% of our replies saying the drone is amazing value is certainly at odds some of the chatter out there.
@@DroneFilmGuide The sad news is that i can see why to feed the algorithms for our social media a ''you would not believe .." or "they are death because..." kind of polarisation is done and don't blame them too much but readers/viewers should also keep their own thinking cap on and not just follow. The fact you posted this helps a little but it worries me that many people will already have made up their minds in the first few days based on either left or right and not a balanced review from the middle and miss out on some great options.... But its the times we live in i guess.
@@scb2scb2 Negativity gets more clicks - we're guilty of it ourselves. Another phenomenon we're seeing is because Youtubbers are losing trust because of the temptation to shill for brands or certainly the perception that's what they are doing, we have new breed of negative, arguably over-critical commentary done with the goal of proving independence or trustworthiness when compared with the shilltubers. I totally get it but I think some take it too far the other direction. It's VERY hard to get the balance!
@@DroneFilmGuide Yes the person who can find a good algorithm to make money in news instead of polarisation that we know work very well given human nature can save the world we seem to have created for ourselves. Great you are trying anyway subbed for that reason.
Thank you for the video. What if I can have DJI Flip Fly More Combo (DJI RC 2) for 679 pounds or DJI Mini 4 Pro Fly More Combo for 874 pounds in the Czech Republic? It a 8,5% difference. I am advanced amateur photographer and cameraman, I have DJI Neo only but I used to be a pilot of RC sport helicopters. What do you recommend? I can not decide. Money is not my primary problem but it is important, I agree. 🤔
Hey! If you have the budget then the Mini 4 Pro wins all day long. It's a better drone. I particularly like how quiet it is. The camera is technically the same but you also get 10-bit HLG. Focus Track is much better and the omnidirectional obstacle avoidance is fantastic to have.
@@DroneFilmGuide Thanks, I have to think about it. DJI Care is much more expensive too for the Mini 4 Pro. Also DJI has on their web site Guaranteed software updates until 2026/12/31. It seems a long time but is it?
If you want to fly discreetly steer clear of the Flip and Neo. If you want to annoy the general public buy a drone which makes a horrendous noise like the Neo and Flip.
Mini 4 Pro has been available for £550 from multiple retailers within past couple of months, with RC2. Flip is £550 with RC2. It isn't 55% difference unless you're comparing RRP which on the Mini 4 Pro is unrealistic at this point in its lifecycle with a little patience.
If the Flip is the new budget drone for beginners (that people buy, play with for a bit and sell), then DJI should focus on the Mini series as proper professional tools. Many professionals prefer the Mini drones for events, because they're good enough, people aren't bothered by them and you can fly them very close to the action. DJI can put a better camera module (1"sensor, variable aperture, etc.) and still get around the 249g limit by offering two types of battery - a smaller one with less flight time, but within 249g and a proper one for pros. So, basically: heavier drone with higher specs and smaller battery at 249g with a 'Plus' or 'Pro' battery option for normal flight times - focusing on the camera performance and not the flight time, like they always have.
When you put it like that, it doesn't seem to be as bad as everyone is making out.
If they'd just stuck the Flip's camera on the Neo and called it the Neo 2 Pro though, we'd all be having a very different conversation.
Yeah, the idea that it's a 'bad' drone is silly. You said it perfectly - if the conversation was how it was an upgrade on the Neo for £100 extra then everyone would be raving about it. Instead it's perceived a downgrade on the Mini 4 Pro so pointing out what it doesn't have makes it a bad drone if you forget or ignore the fact it's half the price.
Thanks for pointing this out. When you deduct the cost of all the extras included in the Fly More combo, the drone itself is only $300 (CDN). The Neo alone sells for $250 here so the extra $50 for the better camera is definitely worth it. I'm sure that future firmware updates will sort out any bugs.
Yup, that's what I was getting at. Many people compare the fly more combos and say the Mini 4 Pro is only £300 more expensive. But £300 extra is a lot if you don't have it or don't want to invest £979 into a drone combo. If you can dip your toe in for £369 and get a Mini 4 Pro camera on a Flip airframe then that seems alright to me.
Flip have same camera as Mini 4 Pro with quicker set up and don’t have to use carry controller like the Neo. It’s very versatile. I always notice the noise in every Neo footage I’ve seen and read hundreds of comments about Neo’s flyaways. It really does sit between the cheapest Neo and more expensive Mini 4 Pro. Flip is good choice for my needs.
I like it. Admittedly it has its drawbacks, but I like the design, it's super quick to deploy and seems a lot of fun.
I just did a side by side of mini 3 pro and flip photos taken at 48 megapixels, with the same settings, from the same place and at the same time. Mini 3 pro photos looked better, and much more detailed on zooming in. A lot of creators are saying the flip's camera is on a par with the mini 4 pro. I'm not sure this is the case. I'd be interested to know if anyone else has looked at this closely. Could it be firmware or processing?
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When DJI sell drone only I will buy, Already have RC 2.
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Fantastic video....great discussion points for us to consider
First off, I appreciate your logic about what to expect out a a drone that cost about half as much. My only disagreement comes when DJI gives consumers the false sense that the “Flip” will fly as good as the Mini 3 of Mini 4 Pro in windy conditions because they all have the same “Level-5” wind resistance. The “Flip” cannot, simply due to its design.
Please prove me wrong. Thank you!
The pricing in your country is so different to ours! The Flip with N3 controller and one battery costs $819! While the Neo combo with 2 batteries and the n3 controller costs $574, thats a huge difference!
Also in my country, the Flip combo with the RC2 controller is $1349, for the m4p combo with RC2 controller is $1819 or just 35% more expensive, the m4p plus combo is $1999 or 48% more expensive.
That's a nice bit of introspection to put the Flip and potential buyers in perspective. We will be walking the Herriot Way in September, 4 days and 48 miles. Our luggage will be moved for us so we'll have just a day pack on the hike. I want to take a drone, but don't want the bulk and weight of a controller. I've looked at the limitations of flying the Flip without a controller and still think that for the hike I can achieve the footage I'm hoping to capture. I'll fly as safe as possible, avoiding the conditions that could lead to crashes.
I'm a hobbyist and not interested in spending a lot of money. Your test footage is impressive and when I'm back home and have the controller, I think it will more than meet my needs.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Although you don't get full manual control over the camera with the phone, 90% of the time you won't know because the camera is very high quality. Only when you're getting into the nuances of auto exposure vs fixed manual exposure, ND filters and such like, do you need manual control. But in terms of high quality images, the Flip is a great choice with mobile control. This is in stark contrast to the Neo where phone control results in often over exposed shots with wild exposure and WB shifts mid-shot, not to mention the over-sharpened nature of the image that you can't change on the phone. There's no comparison in terms of image quality between those two drones.
Great video as always, just an idea but some other RUclipsrs provide a few clips to download and tinker with, is this something you would consider doing as you get much better clips than most??
Let's try and make that happen. Appreciate the kind words!!
While I've never seen a Flip in real life, when folded it looks to be very similar in volume to my mini 4 + controller. Add the controller to the Flip and I wouldn't have space for it in my bag... I've obviously never heard the drone either, but I prefer to remain inconspicuous, so any louder than the mini 4 is a big negative for me. I'd also think it's not in Dji's best interests to make drones louder than necessary because it's not going to help the acceptance of the drone community by the general public. I also don't think it's fair to compare the price of the Flip without the controller because it's not available separately, and judging by Dji's mini 4 strategy it may never be (unless you have more information).
I wouldn't be concerned about running in to a "wall" in the fog because I wouldn't be flying in those conditions, and line of sight would be limited anyway.
There are comments around that Dji has forgotten the mini 4 and now they've brought out 2 completely new drones at a far greater effort than the correction of a few minor issues. I'd like to have the option of preventing the lights turning off during recording which is necessary for night flights. A really minor change because they've already implemented it for the C1 version, but it doesn't look like Dji are very interested in supporting existing customers.
If only I could buy it stand alone, I have the Neo and the controller…
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🥩🍻 Thanks! And good luck!
100% agree also in a way not releasing a flip standalone was a bad idea but i figure they felt this would make money if they released it right away with that option. The 320 euro vs 610 euro (mini pro 4) should be the starting point in many reviews... Also the fact that most reviews come from 2 camps either the 'i already own a many bigger drones' or 'i want fpv drones' and both make a weird compare. A flying osmo3/action5pro is better way to frame it for 320 euro's is amazing.
Great summary of some of the criticisms. The results of our survey with 90% of our replies saying the drone is amazing value is certainly at odds some of the chatter out there.
@@DroneFilmGuide The sad news is that i can see why to feed the algorithms for our social media a ''you would not believe .." or "they are death because..." kind of polarisation is done and don't blame them too much but readers/viewers should also keep their own thinking cap on and not just follow. The fact you posted this helps a little but it worries me that many people will already have made up their minds in the first few days based on either left or right and not a balanced review from the middle and miss out on some great options.... But its the times we live in i guess.
@@scb2scb2 Negativity gets more clicks - we're guilty of it ourselves. Another phenomenon we're seeing is because Youtubbers are losing trust because of the temptation to shill for brands or certainly the perception that's what they are doing, we have new breed of negative, arguably over-critical commentary done with the goal of proving independence or trustworthiness when compared with the shilltubers. I totally get it but I think some take it too far the other direction. It's VERY hard to get the balance!
@@DroneFilmGuide Yes the person who can find a good algorithm to make money in news instead of polarisation that we know work very well given human nature can save the world we seem to have created for ourselves. Great you are trying anyway subbed for that reason.
I made my first cinematic video with the Flip. It's now on my channel. It performed better than expected. Positively surprised👍😀🇳🇱
I’d buy one for £264! Don’t want/need a controller. I’d buy it for the AI follow me alone and the good camera.
Thank you for the video. What if I can have DJI Flip Fly More Combo (DJI RC 2) for 679 pounds or DJI Mini 4 Pro Fly More Combo for 874 pounds in the Czech Republic? It a 8,5% difference. I am advanced amateur photographer and cameraman, I have DJI Neo only but I used to be a pilot of RC sport helicopters. What do you recommend? I can not decide. Money is not my primary problem but it is important, I agree. 🤔
Hey! If you have the budget then the Mini 4 Pro wins all day long. It's a better drone. I particularly like how quiet it is. The camera is technically the same but you also get 10-bit HLG. Focus Track is much better and the omnidirectional obstacle avoidance is fantastic to have.
@@DroneFilmGuide Thanks, I have to think about it. DJI Care is much more expensive too for the Mini 4 Pro. Also DJI has on their web site Guaranteed software updates until 2026/12/31. It seems a long time but is it?
If you want to fly discreetly steer clear of the Flip and Neo. If you want to annoy the general public buy a drone which makes a horrendous noise like the Neo and Flip.
Mini 4 Pro has been available for £550 from multiple retailers within past couple of months, with RC2. Flip is £550 with RC2. It isn't 55% difference unless you're comparing RRP which on the Mini 4 Pro is unrealistic at this point in its lifecycle with a little patience.
if this could be flown in fpv mode i would have overlooked all its flaws. alas. not buying this
If the Flip is the new budget drone for beginners (that people buy, play with for a bit and sell), then DJI should focus on the Mini series as proper professional tools. Many professionals prefer the Mini drones for events, because they're good enough, people aren't bothered by them and you can fly them very close to the action.
DJI can put a better camera module (1"sensor, variable aperture, etc.) and still get around the 249g limit by offering two types of battery - a smaller one with less flight time, but within 249g and a proper one for pros. So, basically: heavier drone with higher specs and smaller battery at 249g with a 'Plus' or 'Pro' battery option for normal flight times - focusing on the camera performance and not the flight time, like they always have.
If you want cheap buy the neo instead of the flip ,, if you want to save money buy the mini