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Hi, I cant seem to see a link to submit my Pot of Greed Question. So hopefully it still counts by putting it here I was wondering if there's any conceivable way for Konami to re-introduce draft duel to Yu-Gi-Oh like how MTG does there's. Because currently Yu-Gi-Oh mainline packs are really just a jumbled mess of archtypes that dont work together. And yet somehow MTG is always able to release new sets for their draft duel often with completely new cards/archtypes. Just what is the BIG difference between these two games that Yu-Gi-Oh needs to take in to release a successful draft product?
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In time everyone becomes a “yugi-boomer” once it’s past the point the individual deems the game playable. Everyone has their own opinion on when that is but, eventually with the frame work yugioh is based upon we will all reach that point due to power creep being the selling point. Welcome to the dark side Paul we boomers welcome you with open arms.
Funny thing is Crowler actually *did* summon Golem on his first turn, he played 2 traps then played Heavy Storm which destroyed his traps and turned them into tokens he then tributes those tokens to summon Golem
Paul saying how back then the game was filled with more wonder of sorts is so true. I used to scroll through the thousands of cards and build my own decks, try stuff and most things built reasonably had a fighting chance. Nowadays so much has killed that experience that there is just no way to reclaim it. I don't want to write the whole laundry list here, anyone watching knows already. Even on a competitive level it was nowhere near what it is today.
This is literally how I’ve always made decks I pick a theme or like type or monster and just get to reading, I don’t like using the same exact cards for every deck except like staples like rageki
This episode was a little sad in a way. I think with the end of the 2010 event in Master Duel today, I'll try to take an indefinite break from playing yugioh. The talk of how it used to feel magical but now it's nothing like what it used to be is almost like talking about a lost love. In the end maybe that's why so many are negative these days but don't want to leave. We're chasing that old feeling it used to give us. I know I definitely used to love this game and it hurt to watch it become what it is now while all of the friends I made from it stopped playing. There comes a time when you gotta let go of something when it's no longer good for you and I guess now is the time for me to try. Good luck in your transition and move guys.
@20:54 That was my question! Retro pack and your talk about it and about the price v. value of staple cards in deck engines got me to ask that question. Wasn't sure if I typed that Q up correctly but I am so happy you answered it and it got you to kind of flip-flop on the topic! XD XD. Love your channels!
It would quickly turn yugioh down the path that mtg went where you look at people playing a game and ask "what is this?" because theres so much frameless cards mixed into the regular uniform frames of cards. It's a bit of preference, but it functionally disassociates parts of the game with itself. Really at this point, i dont care, let them do a universes beyond type of thing too and completely destroy their identity and become a vehicle to advertise other things, like mtg did.
@@hamsandwich6685 I play the PokeTCG, personally I don't like full arts because the point of the cards is to display the artwork, so making sure the text is easily readable is tertiary. I can only imagine how hard YGO text will be to read XDXD.
Fun way to play.. Bulk draft deckbuilding. Slap a bunch of your bulk cards into 10-20 card piles. Flip the top card on each pile. You and your opponent pick 6 piles to make to make your starting decks. Restock the "shop" with more piles. Duel, winner picks a pack first. Then loser picks a pack. Refresh the shop. Update your deck/trade cards etc. Duel. Repeat. It feels like schoolyard yugioh, and a bit like a nuzlock game. Depending on the bulk sometimes your best card is that OG 1800atk 5* normal moster.
Pokemon has proven that you can have cheap and expensive version of cards, because if you want to just play the deck, you get the cheap low rarity version, but if you want to bling out your deck like A BUNCH OF PEOPLE like to do, the high rarity alt arts and expensive versions are there. My Pokemon deck costs at most $80 if I get the cheapest versions. But I liked a bunch of the full art staples for the deck so I splurged a little to get them. People like shiny cardboard, give us options
I agree. We've SEEN Yu-Gi-Oh do this and it worked just fine, as far as I could tell. I think Konami's just satisfied with their current model because it's "working", but I really do think players are reaching their limits.
Hey fellas, great episode as usual! Just want to say I am 42 and I have 3 other friends who are also 35+ and we have been playing this game for over 20 years, not as consistently now due to everyone’s schedules, but we play when we can. I now have a 12 y/o son that I alternate ygo and lorcna with. Age shouldn’t be a factor in having a hobby, it’s the break you need from the wife and/or kids that will always be there for you, lol!
As a Vaylantz player, I feel I have to point out the reason it feels like every pend deck has to turbo into a link monster like Beyond or Electrimite is due to pendulums being stuck in master rule 4 and thus being tied to the hip to links. You need the link arrows on board just to make the pendulum mechanic worthwhile, and is very much an articial choke point for the decks. As nutty of a card as Beyond the Pendulum is, it's own effect shut's down your turn entirely if it gets Ash'd. Small wonder every pend deck starts to feel like pend soup when the restrictions and support options keep funneling the mechanic into the same play patterns. EDIT: While I'm not a fan trying to reboot the anime, as a deck Branded-Dark Magician/Chimera slaps and would be so fitting for Yugi, lol.
Shoot us an email when you can, we might be able to set up a trip to do a meetup and play. It may take a while from now, but we can maybe get the ball rolling.
Yeah.. as a person who was there since the start of the game/franchise.. it's hard pretend today's YGO is the same as yesteryear. I quit way back in 2015, then this year I studied hard all the meta and blah and tried it again.. and I'm done ALREADY.. the game is not only beyond my comprehension but its too pricey and not fun because of players with lightning fast plays and toxic moves. So I just quietly collect what older favorites I can get.
Agreed. the cards don't even get time to be played enough to earn the value people put on them on release. The people looking to play the stocks with the Yugioh Market has even expanded into other card games. Vanguard has been suffering from obscene prices on "good stuff" cards gatekeeping people from starting the game even after its latest reboot. There's a thing in that game called "The Keter Tax", if you wanted to build a Keter Sanctuary deck, there's multiple good generic cards that they need 4 copies to function...some reaching up to 40-60 bucks each, some of those were less than 3 bucks each before people found out they were playable. Even a rogue/casual Keter deck can cost you over $230 (before your deck theme, just generics) due to the Market when there's no real reason they need to be that high, especially with how folks like to claim the game is -ded- anyway.
It's funny that one of the question topics is Edison format when Master Duel is currently running a 2010 event right now! Been having a lot of fun trying out this era!
But that's later than edision by about 6 months so it's not the format many invested in edision want. Especially as it means mind master ftk is legal and six samurai combo nonsense exists which spits on the face of the wide breath of decks
@@Fencer_Nowa nah I played heaps of the event it was really good. Most players were on normal decks so it was great. Only degen I stuff I faced was a couple of exodia players and one infernity player. A large number were on the (actually cracked) QuickDraw and hero loaners but the people who cooked for it were on mostly Edison inspired stuff.
Shadowverse Evolve started out as my go-to Vanguard/(Advanced) Yugioh alternative (alongside Speed Duel☠️), and now its just my main game. The way it's clearly inspired by MTG in how it adapts digital cards/mechanics into paper while still looking to refine Magic's more antiquated design choices is super appealing to me. And "Quick" effects universally having very strict activation windows on top of needing open "Play Points" strikes a perfect balance of having just enough interaction without needing to ask my opponent: "Activate/summon (X), response?" every step of the way like I'm navigating a minefield.
I definitely think TCG players should have 1 maybe 2 tcgs they competitively play in, and then 2 or 3 tcgs they can casually switch in and out of. Something that I noticed with YGO is that it doesn't fully lend it self to the casual aspect, which I think is a huge detriment because the game can be fun!
Flesh and Blood is my primary TCG and the one I’m most invested in. I’m a Yugiboomer who last played the TCG in 2006, and Duel Links kinda got me back into Yugioh, but now I just play super casual Speed Duel with a friend. I’ve thought about trying Edison but there’s not much support for it around me since all the Yugioh stuff at my locals is super competitive.
@@LCDigital92 Which is a damn shame. It'd be nice if Konami could standardize and put out some Time Wizard structure decks. But we'll never see the day with that.
A masterduel 2.0 should introduce a tcg/ocg server, not necessarily a english/Japanese server, but just one has tcg format, one has ocg format Another change would be to add a 2/3 server, to have a side deck That is all i want
For yugioh 2.0 1. Exclusive Alternate art for master duel only. End of a season which ever top two decks were played the most get an alternative art for their boss monster or primary spell card. 2. Rematch option 3. Ability to see your opponents timer 4. More gems if your able to win the duel before within 100 seconds (not excluding connection fails) 5. Highlight text in different colors that’s indicate the effect is to negate, special summon, destroy, banish, draw/search
I know it's slightly cliche, but it would be fun to occasionally have guests on the pod. Either other APS members or other yugitubers, the change in perspective would be entertaining.
You call it market, but what it is is a black market. Konami should bring everything in common rarity to let us play and other products to upgrade rarity and even artworks. And no short prints at all.
They’d never directly sell dust because I guarantee the current method makes way more. Since the rates are slightly obfuscated, most people don’t really think about the rates when they’re pulling cards. You just pull and if you don’t get what you need (URs for example) you think about pulling again. If pulling packs has to compete with just buying dust, Konami risks losing out on all the extra purchases people have to make just to get what they want, which not only puts cash in their pocket but helps build a habit for the consumer. The inconsistency of the gems system is exactly what makes it so effective for monetizing
I miss when negates had drawbacks, dark bribe, Severn tools, magic jammer etc. each one had a draw back that could potentially hinder the player but they were still necessary. Now everything negates with no drawbacks, it’s a little bit dull 😢 I don’t want to agree about 2010 being better, because there’s some really cool legacy support now, but it really was.
The only thing that makes me hopeful that a remake could be done right is that Dark Side of Dimensions was excellent. It had basically the whole OG Dub cast. The art was an upgrade in every way (although if they did a remake I would sure hope they would use the OG car arts... not fond of the Dark Magician change). But Dark Side of Dimension was overall an excellent show of animation potential. They also show that they're still willing to work with the dub cast with things like Duel Links. There product marketing for North America nostalgia has been pretty trash though not including dubbed music though which sucks. So I would hope they would consider reviewing how 4kids did the openings as those were a huge impact on the show. But personally I'd rather they just carry on from Dark Side of Dimensions. They laid the ground work to bring Atem back in the movie with Kaiba's dimensions technology. Plus at the 25th anniversary they showed all of the card dimensions. They honestly just need some plot that involves the gang going on a journey across the dimensions now and we're golden. I don't think they need to go back and remake the wheel.
just as a pokemon player who likes observing the yugioh community. Pokemon TCG has a big "flex culture" for phrasing... where a small bunch of players will max rarity their deck playing gold/ full art trainer cards or... Full art/ Alternative collector art which can exceed heavy values! like between 40GBP -100GBP 3 factors for value of a card. Rarity, Viability, Collectability. People will chase good cards but if a good card is a collectable pokemon like mew/ pikachu/ zard/ gengar the price shoots up But trainer cards are like 1-2 dollars at most. Standard Ex/ Gx/ V/ Vmax 3-12 quid based on competitiveness To build a pokemon deck a competitive one at minimum rarity can be like 30-40 GBP... but max rarity in pokemon decks can be like 1k its mad but so much better than 1k just for THE DECK :) (we have 60 cards in deck and gold energy cards are expensive based on set) :))
When Link came out, I thought they were finally creating seasons, because they forbid everything except Link at that time and it felt so fresh. I am still hoping. Ps: the game was already broken, when gladiator beasts came out
Its kinda hilarous paul says "we need a yugioh reset with a new anime"....when thats literally what rush did 4 years ago while also doing the "playground rules" nostalgic idea by making it a kid making his rules a real format by hard work and determination
Also to remark on the discussion of alt arts ruining value for players in the game: I think the issue is also that konami doesnt offer monetary reward to playing well in tournaments, but packs, so doing well for boxes and consoles, is how you get value. and half of that is CARDS, so people want the value in cards for themselves to feel they "Earned" out of the game But Pokemon tcg players? Their events have cash. A fair bit for a tcg, that is so CHEAP to get into imo
Chronos’s first turn was confiscation, set 2 statue of the wicked, active Heavy Storm, tribute 2 wicked tokens, tribute summon Ancient Gear Golem and attack Avian. I’d honestly love to see Paul (and only him) review the JP version of the anime starting w/ season 3 of GX -> Vrains as his perspective will be interesting as a modern yugioh player.
The “market will suffer” argument is complete BS. Japan isn’t suffering and they doing multiple rarity copies of cards on release. The issue is that the US is hyper capitalism mindset. Fact is folks, pure capitalism works only for a few and not the majority. The few want to keep things the same for even more money, when it does not need to be this way and succeed.
Duel Master has a format where you're only allowed to use your Main Deck which is called Original Format as a opposed to Advanced Format where you have 2 extra decks; Psychic Deck and Gacharange Deck.
Fantastic episode love it, so many great topics brought up on this one. Can't wait to see more. Enjoy your time off! A reboot to the card game would be pretty interesting especially if it was designed to focus more on the older, slower yugioh (Slower in comparison to modern game) and would certainly need to capture that old school vibe to be successful. In general I agree more ways to play yugioh would keep it fresh. Speed duel was kind of a cool idea but I didn't really latch onto it because of skill cards and smaller decks just made it feel too different that it didn't really capture that old playground vibe. Definitely relate a lot to the conversation about my relationship with Yugioh and competing. I had an era where I liked to play at locals and regionals but that has passed. An actual game of competitive yugioh is more work than fun with all the tension that exists from the competitive environment. Playing with friends or just casually on master duel is way more enjoyable and gets me my fill of yugioh As a stun player myself it definitely happens that a lot of supporters of stun are looking for a way to halt the oppressive power of stronger decks. For myself it's mostly just that I'm not actually interested in combo based decks and they are too strong for my lower power strategies to do anything except for the fact that stun cards force them to play at a slower pace. As long as Konami provides me the tools that allow me to play these slower strategies that I enjoy that are carried by the stun elements I will because it's what I want to play and I can play it with what I consider an acceptable amount of success thanks to the power of stun. Lastly definitely relate to that toning down and downsizing of Yugioh stuff. As someone who loved building casual decks I now have so many that they are a hassle to keep up with so I'm definitely going to focus in on which one I likes and pair down the rest. Also tossed the bulk quite a while back to where i only have my backpack and one box of cards and it's just nice. Thinking I'll be doing the same with my collectables and things in the future.
Relate! Relate! Relate! I recently got rid of a bunch of excess stuff (and we had A LOT) by just donating most of it to the local card shop. A bunch of people get sleeves, mats, and products and I get the freedom that comes from more space (and less mental clutter, too). I just want my favorite decks, a collection of old-school Yu-Gi-Oh cards I've kept in a binder, and that's really it for cards. It's liberating, honestly. I think stun very much has a place in this game, and always has. It feels perhaps more annoying to people now as a result of how contrary it is to the breakneck pace of modern Yu-Gi-Oh, but I will never blame that issue on the stun cards. I think if we could bring down the speed and power levels of things across the board, there would be less incentive for a player to use raw stun as a coping mechanism (not to say that all stun players are doing that, but just that I know some who do play it as something of a rebuttal to enough losses to modern combo decks).
Starting a tournament at 2-0 without even playing is an unfair advantage no matter how you slice it. The deeper you get into a tournament the more you play more skilled opponents sure but the first two rounds are the most volatile and it’s not like they are knock out stages so I don’t see why anyone should get to dodge them. Makes me respect the European pros who don’t get the unfair advantage yet still top every event over there even more.
The speed and complexity of the game also makes it hard not to be tense. The game puts a lot of pressure on your mental stack to keep all of this in your head while trying to analyze the situation.
DOMAIN FORMAT MENTION!!!! LESGOOOOO 😆 If anyone wants to learn about the format, its all my channel is about. Thank you, Team APS, for always putting out great content for everyone to enjoy!
Another thing that's important to consider is that post-Edison is around the time when everyone starting getting a smartphone and fancied themselves backpack vendors. The smartphone was the death of the "T" in TCG.
Don't worry it died before that. Anyone with a computer and access to pojo or mike loda was ripping prices listed there regardless of how outta date they are. It's why we have the knowledge of how much cydra costed historically or mech chaser
@@Fencer_Nowa Knowing prices didn't turn everyone into a backpack vendor and was never the issue. The issue was when everyone had a pocket price checker where they could determine the value of something on the spot which turned everything into a nickel and diming monetary transaction.
Love everyone's commitment to this channel and Yugioh Alec and Paul especially..I know most of us are in our 30's heck I'm 36 and I know it feels like it sucks but hell man that's what time is and does it's limited. And I'll be damned if you are gonna stop me, yes I'm grown up, *spoilers* I'm like the ghoul from Fallout " I do this s*** for the love of the game" I will always be out here tryin to bridge 🌉 the gap between all age groups and show we all got something to offer, not be a grumpy old man who was focused on myself the entire time. " All you need is love ev-er-y day" - DMB -
I think a unique problem that the game faces now is that, generally speaking, the only way for players to feasibly play any of the "slower" cards is to just jam whatever stun/floodgate cards they have to artificially slow the game down enough for those "slower" cards to do their thing. I personally don't hate Stun as much as some people, but I do think that it kind of sucks that the only way to enjoy some of the slower payoffs the game can provide is to basically cheese your opponent....
I really did go from hours of deck building off the dome back in 2011 as a kid to now returning and just looking online for decklists and then changing like 5-10 cards at most 😂
If you are planning to sell your bulk cards maybe you can have a community request tab so we can buy some cards we are missing. That way we can unload what you have and support the channel. Also if that doesn’t work you can give/ sell your cards to cyberknight, I think he would get a blast opening them up
Everyone loved Denson format in 2010 literally kids in school who didn't play anymore came out to play and started buying cards again. It was definitely peak yugioh.
Quick correction as someone who regularly competes in local and national FGC events: Fighting Game tournament never let pros skip pools, instead pools are seeded, with good players being rated highly and thus mostly playing bad players in early rounds. This way you don't accidentally have #1 and #2 in the world fight each other game 1 or something.
I have to jump into the yugiboomer boat, cuz this game is out of control & I couldn’t even imagine how they going to resolve this issue for something that is very risk taking.
I didn’t play ff7 growing up. I had a n64. I tried to play 7 remake and I just couldn’t get into it at all. All my friends that I played the original game and played remake understood why I couldn’t get into it. It was definitely a game for veteran players and not for first timers.
@@LunaticKD1991 ...and worse than 9. 7 is a lot of big jumps from 6 and was set up to drop as at the beginning of the console's lifespan which is why it has so much nostalgia to people, while 9 is where you can tell they understand the console better but gets less praise because going from a 5 to a 9 is a big jump but 9 to 9.2 is not... And then the jump to 10 is another massive jump.
I like the idea of rebooting the anime and card game. But it would have to be done right. Maybe even do a reboot pack of legend of blue eyes go back remake the monster with more balance for normal and effect monsters
As some one whos loved yugioh since the beginning like you guys and a collector i not going to touch the game till older more slow paced formats get supported in some official compasity, id love to work my way up from goat to edison at locals woth others who just wanna have fun...fun is something sorely lacking in the current format and it show's my locals is hurting for attendance
I know I'll always have decks for me and others to play. A small dream of mine is to have a playable deck of every cool archetype so that anyone that even remotely shows intrest in Yugioh will be able to play and see whether or not it's fun for them. The cost of cards and deck building skills will always be a barrier to entry for people that aren't already here, so having that part already done and having an open seat with a playable deck, form fitted to what they think sounds fun, is a goal I have fun working on to this day. "Oh, you like Devil May Cry, Yugioh has a cool deck loosely based on the franchise if you wanted to run a set." "You really like Gladiators? I have a Yugioh deck based on them you can try!"
@BirdCaramel yeah but every yugioh format you hear about is how competitive it gets. And how everyone has done every combo. What about a yugioh format where you can only use 1 of each card and extra deck is reduced to 10. All op cards are banned and people can just chill. Restriction breeds creativity. Creativity builds fun.
@@dedgamingchannel3748the answer is still domain format. You can only play one copy of a card, and only play monsters that align with your deckmaster. Alternatively you could do duels with just structure decks. Or you build your own decks on your desired power level. With people who know a little bit more about the game drafting modes are also very fun and chill, like cube drafting or arena mode (you can do both on ygprodeck). There are a lot of ways to enjoy Yu-Gi-Oh and they are what keep me in the game. So feel free to ask me about more details if you like :)
@GeargianoXG 100% and even though tournaments have picked up and a handful of people play high power level. Most people want to play for fun and a multiple people can handle someone playing really strong decks. Alot of wild dynamics. Most people also play with their friends and the power levels balance organically
the no extra deck format sounds like an interesting idea, a couple other things i've been thinking about would be like a format where you can only build your deck out of one-ofs/you can only have two duplicate cards in your deck in total or something, AND you can only play two spells or traps from hand per turn like in the manga or something along those lines, or maybe there could be like a "joyous springlock" format or something LOL where essentially tampering with the deck is completely forbidden by the rules like basically if an effect _could_ be negated by ash, it can't be activated in the format at all, ever idk like i like the idea of something that could mess with the balance/potentially slow down the game, inherently because of the rules rather than because of limiting the cards
When you were talking about fave toxic decks and how folks get worn down by the meta and resort to such strats in order to get anywhere: This was literally the case for me when I decided to pick up Chain Burn back in the early 2010's. My locals had several of those super competitive people who loved to talk down to players who weren't "at their level", and after several months of this treatment, I wanted something cheap and fun that could give them a run for their money. I found Chain Burn and suddenly I was actually making it to the top table consistently. The issue following that was them instead calling me trash at the game because I had to rely on a "degenerate deck" to do anything. Sorry not sorry guys, my cardboard was just as capable of winning games as yours was. :D They did continue to harass me and the shop owners did nothing about it. I stopped going to that shop and last I heard, they shut down their YGO stuff about a year later due to players being toxic/rude to each other and non-YGO players going to the shop for other games/DnD. Good riddance to bad trash.
This was a scary podcast. I agree that the game feels tense, new cards are too valuable and Edison is "golden age" But I'm just coming back to the game! I don't know what to do. The community at my local shop pushes me to play competitive. If I chose to play Edison it would turn into Blackwing mirrors.
Play! Find out for yourself how you feel about the game today, don't just take it from us. You might find that you enjoy modern Yu-Gi-Oh a lot, which is totally fine!
That's what I don't like about the Edison fanbase, sure the game was better but there were still toxic cards like trap dustshoot and royal oppression. Freezing the game in that format without ever changing up the banlist or introducing newer cards to underpowered Edison decks means Blackwings will always be the best deck until people get tired of the format and move on like they did goat format.
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr I am the definition of a "Yugi-boomer" and I'm still delighted by how much the game has grown. Pre Xyz and Link was fun, don't get me wrong, but the game's strength has always been tied to how your cards are ALL going to remain playable forever. Why would we mess with that? Side note: I looked into Domain and it's a mess. Just bring back team battles
I’m coming back to yugioh after 5 years I’m doing a cube draft night with some friends who are older than me (I’m 33) we played at a card shop 20+ years ago and stayed friends. Just like how groups of friends do poker nights we have an awesome cube draft we will be playing or do something else another night. Also can play with kids as they grow up. It’s all good. Play when your 40 who cares play when your 60 keep your mind sharp 🤙
The secondary market can go fudge itself. Konami will make more money by putting more good cards in players hands. Konami makes nothing from people selling cards, packs, and boxes on the secondary market while simultaniously turning players away from the game due to how expensive it is to aquire the good cards that their decks need just to be able to play.
@21:20 there isnt a great balance. Collecting is bad for players because that drives values and prices up. Reprinting & playing is bad for collectors. It's a razor thin balance, and the Yu-Gi-Oh community is so dynamic that it can't stand. I personally just say, reprint em all. The game becomes more accessible and grows if it's cheaper. Cardboard is an awful investment and shouldn't be used as a serious investment avenue anyway.
Just for shaking up the game, maybe remove tribute summoning for non effect monsters or reducing 5 and 6 normal to zero and 7 and 8 to one. As for a new mechanic, maybe rocket red borders that summon from the extra deck by banishing the material face down from hand, field, or graveyard. Like link summoning, but you can't get the material back.
To comment briefly on the Retro Pack discourse: I understand wanting to cash in on the nostalgia fever by giving people more chances to see older cards from their childhoods, but they could have released a new set to do that. They did not have to go muddying up an older set that has no real purpose today except to be a collection of trophies for collectors. This is exactly the kind of set that should cater towards the high-end spenders and collectors, and calling collectors out for gatekeeping the set doesn't do anything because there's nothing of value to gatekeep from the modern audience. Well...maybe one exception; the one, only thing of value that comes from rewaving Retro Pack 1 is to give Time Wizard players a more accessible shot at a foil printing of pre-errata Sangan. But, again, they could have done that in a new product without destroying people's binders in the process.
They still own the cards They're not destroying anything. Crying over values when pre erratas of cards are what time wizard players have wanted for years since they started it is wild. Especially when the CG in both western and Eastern territory stands for card game. Almost as if they're game pieces and collectable factor shouldn't be soley be tied to price
If they do an anime, it should be a prequel to the original. That way they could justify adding a few new cards in a set to promote the anime and to make the duels faster with the old rules when Atem was a Pharaoh. He’d be the protagonist as Yugi does not exist yet. This way they also could further flesh out characters like Shimon and Priest Seto.
I want to invent a format that has to have exodia in the deck, but the win conditions arnt about getting all the pieces in your hand, it's about getting rid of all the pieces from your opponents deck. Calling it Explodia
I think YGO has a lot of design space constriction, but this is where konami usually shines. It's just the problem of whether they'll work out or compete with the current meta without more power creep. And also some design ideas might be end being similar like Ragnaraika and Tri-Brigade or like the Crystal Beast face-up Spell comparison. This is why I love Deck Build Sets; they're more focused on fun mechanics than competitiveness; they could end up being competitive which is a coinflip result. Main booster sets are more focused on competitiveness where decks like tearlament, kashtira, and snake-eyes have originated and dominated the meta so often. Though they do have some fun idea decks like the new Exodia where the monsters go into the S/T Zones as Continuous Spells like 'stone tablets'
1:16:20 I don't know if its because we get them so rarely, but I actually prefer going to YCSs than locals or regionals. YCS Sydney isn't exactly a spectical but I get to make a fun trip out of it.... Our locals are always so late when I have to get up for work the next morning (Yugioh always seems like it is locked into Thursday and Sunday at all the locals close to me haha) Also I agree with Alec most of the time when I do go for locals it is when Edison is on 😂
how about a new summon mechanic called collide summon: there are collide monsters in the deck with two effects. its own effect and then half of another effect. to collide summon you take two collide monsters and put them together to get one new effect. some have first half of an effect others have the second half. eg. card one says : this monster cant be destroyed by battle. card two says : this monster cant be destroyed by card effects. individually they work fine but together, they collide to form a monster that cant be destroyed.
Given Alec's favorite card is Ancient Gear Golemn and Paul's is Jinzo (or at least the reason the channel is called aps), I'm surprised you guys never did a duel where all the APS members just play with decks built around their favorite boss/ace monsters.
I hate it but i see why magic has a thing for cards to expire or sunset i think it'd allow for easy eras/formats to be made and it would free them up on not having to worry about cards that would break the game. Im not a fan of it, but maybe i should be.
No favorite toxic deck for me because I don't think I've played a toxic deck. Well... actually I played True Draco in some of the Master Duel events. It was the optimal move. Can you blame me?
i dont really enjoy the gameplay of edison very much but i definitely do think it is a significantly less Toxic environment to play in most of the time
I play Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon and Lorcana. Pokemon and Lorcana I play very casually(Lorcana I only play with structure decks and Pokemon I used to compete in, but now I just play with my old decks casually). Commander is awesome and pretty much the only format I play in Magic because it's just a fun, laid-back format that you play with 2-3 other people. cEDH exists(competitive commander), which I'm sure gets intense and crazy, but it's not for me. I am super interested in Doman format for Yu-Gi-Oh, but I can hardly find anyone to play standard formats with much less Domain.
43:22 YES!! FINALLY! Somebody said it other than me! Myself, along with everyone I know who plays TCGs have said that we would love to go back to Yu-Gi-Oh IF it got a reboot. The current game, IMO, is beyond broken, and there's no easy fix. In its current form, I genuinely think the game is dying because NOBODY NEW wants to jump into the game at this point. With a solid reboot, you get new eyes and new players with a new starting point. If you love Yu-Gi-Oh, you have to recognize that the TCG isn't what's important, the survival of the franchise is.
If my questions from a couple weeks ago were not read off, are they no longer on the list of potential questions in future episodes because the pot of greed has been "emptied"? I'd love to see a pod episode dedicated to just looking at alt formats from the viewers.
There should be distinctions of Yugi-Boomers. Like there are YB's that just want caveman, DM/GX YGO. Then there's Edison Boomers. Then HAT Boomers (which I'm part of because I love Zexal & Xyz). The term might be stretched if you want to include TOSS. We all want a slower pace of game but can't agree on what that means.
At this point everyone's got tens of thousands of normal and rare dust, I don't think dust conversions can happen, either the costs would have to be huge preventing new players from ever being able to do it or they'd be giving the existing players enough UR dust to never open their wallet.
It's at a point you make it so new or more casual players can't reasonably do it but the hardcore grinders would never pay again. It's very much a thing that's needed from day 1
You know, the Digimon Adventure reboot was one of my least favorite Digimon entries too, but something I will say to its credit is that they went very hard on the deep Digimon lore. You got to see a glimpse of Archelomon in Zudomon's evolution because that's who he gets the shell armor from. MagnaAngemon Priest Mode, who as far as I can recall had only shown up in the V-Tamer manga, appears in Seraphimon's evolution. Mimi got an Armor Evolution that didn't appear in 02 as a side evolution. Stuff like that was really cool as a big Digimon fan. Also, DarkKnightmon was such an out of left field yet refreshing dark evolution for Gatomon. The obvious and more boring choice would have been LadyDevimon, but they really mixed it up.
I'm curious as to what would happen if the game slowed down drastically via newer cards just being less powerful. Like, stop printing massively powerful things.
It would be great, I think! Although they'd have to do something about the existing powerful cards and fast strategies. Banning them all outright would be a harsh approach.
Seeing as people are fans of rescue ace in modern but also love BA, invoked shaddoll dogmatica and stuff like it in historical context people would enjoy it because they're slower paced grind decks
We need like cards that slow the game down, like counter cards in magic counter negates, i propose unlinks, they cost link monsters and your opponent negating something to summon, can only be in defense position, and can only be summoned when a negate happens anytime, this makes negates more scary to use, and would give an option to counter getting completely shut down
Ygo NEEDS a commander type format, completely casual. Not going for the W but for the group interactions and fun. I think 1 copy of a card per deck and limiting special summons might be the best way to go but idk i moved onto mtg and gave up on ygo 4 years ago.
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*Happy Thursday everyone! Hope you all enjoyed this big Q&A episode of the podcast Maybe it would be a fun thing to do again sometime since we only scratched the surface of the viewer questions. Anyway, let us know your thoughts on any of the topics today, and we'll be back next week to catch up on all the news!* ✌🏾
Hi, I cant seem to see a link to submit my Pot of Greed Question. So hopefully it still counts by putting it here
I was wondering if there's any conceivable way for Konami to re-introduce draft duel to Yu-Gi-Oh like how MTG does there's. Because currently Yu-Gi-Oh mainline packs are really just a jumbled mess of archtypes that dont work together. And yet somehow MTG is always able to release new sets for their draft duel often with completely new cards/archtypes. Just what is the BIG difference between these two games that Yu-Gi-Oh needs to take in to release a successful draft product?
Great question! By the way, here is the form to submit it (and please do because I *REALLY* wanna talk about that question in detail. So many thoughts! The link should also now be in the video description, we hadn't updated it yet when you left your original comment. forms.gle/gCZ8uGP6GwgrkQ2ZA
@@apsamplifier Thanks for the link! Just sent my question in. Looking forward to your next podcast/s haha
Just wanted to point out that they are regressing,, did anyone notice the new *Union* monsters coming out with support?
In time everyone becomes a “yugi-boomer” once it’s past the point the individual deems the game playable. Everyone has their own opinion on when that is but, eventually with the frame work yugioh is based upon we will all reach that point due to power creep being the selling point. Welcome to the dark side Paul we boomers welcome you with open arms.
🎉welcome to the party pal!
Welcome aboard, Paul
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You either stop playing Yu-Gi-Oh or you play long enough to see yourself become a Yu-Gi-Boomer
Truer words have never been spoken, you put this in such a way that is astounding and I wholeheartedly agree
I became a yugi-boomer at the ripe old age of 22 lmao.
Funny thing is Crowler actually *did* summon Golem on his first turn, he played 2 traps then played Heavy Storm which destroyed his traps and turned them into tokens he then tributes those tokens to summon Golem
Also his Magnet Circle/Ancient Gear nonsense.
Perfect duel to start that show.
Paul saying how back then the game was filled with more wonder of sorts is so true. I used to scroll through the thousands of cards and build my own decks, try stuff and most things built reasonably had a fighting chance.
Nowadays so much has killed that experience that there is just no way to reclaim it. I don't want to write the whole laundry list here, anyone watching knows already.
Even on a competitive level it was nowhere near what it is today.
Try out Domain Format, its a deck builders paradise! I've already made like 50 decks on ygoprodeck 😆
This is literally how I’ve always made decks I pick a theme or like type or monster and just get to reading, I don’t like using the same exact cards for every deck except like staples like rageki
More Yu-Gi-Oh is great considering there's not many Yugi news tubers, not with quality content, thank you Paul and altogether Team APS
people talk about running out of design space but what about running out of text box space xD
This episode was a little sad in a way. I think with the end of the 2010 event in Master Duel today, I'll try to take an indefinite break from playing yugioh. The talk of how it used to feel magical but now it's nothing like what it used to be is almost like talking about a lost love. In the end maybe that's why so many are negative these days but don't want to leave. We're chasing that old feeling it used to give us. I know I definitely used to love this game and it hurt to watch it become what it is now while all of the friends I made from it stopped playing. There comes a time when you gotta let go of something when it's no longer good for you and I guess now is the time for me to try. Good luck in your transition and move guys.
Even if you guys decide to take a break from Yugioh, please continue the pod. I enjoy hearing your perspectives on a variety of different topics.
Best pod of greed episode yet. Love these honest, down to earth rants.
@20:54 That was my question! Retro pack and your talk about it and about the price v. value of staple cards in deck engines got me to ask that question. Wasn't sure if I typed that Q up correctly but I am so happy you answered it and it got you to kind of flip-flop on the topic! XD XD. Love your channels!
I wish yugioh did full arts like pokemon
Rush duels kind of does
@@ExploudOnDeck true but it would be nice for my favorite deck to have its ace card a full art
It would quickly turn yugioh down the path that mtg went where you look at people playing a game and ask "what is this?" because theres so much frameless cards mixed into the regular uniform frames of cards.
It's a bit of preference, but it functionally disassociates parts of the game with itself.
Really at this point, i dont care, let them do a universes beyond type of thing too and completely destroy their identity and become a vehicle to advertise other things, like mtg did.
@@hamsandwich6685 I play the PokeTCG, personally I don't like full arts because the point of the cards is to display the artwork, so making sure the text is easily readable is tertiary. I can only imagine how hard YGO text will be to read XDXD.
@@JcBravo8 yeah I guess it would be difficult to read the 5 paragraphs with full art 😂
Fun way to play.. Bulk draft deckbuilding.
Slap a bunch of your bulk cards into 10-20 card piles.
Flip the top card on each pile.
You and your opponent pick 6 piles to make to make your starting decks.
Restock the "shop" with more piles.
Duel, winner picks a pack first. Then loser picks a pack. Refresh the shop.
Update your deck/trade cards etc. Duel.
Repeat.
It feels like schoolyard yugioh, and a bit like a nuzlock game. Depending on the bulk sometimes your best card is that OG 1800atk 5* normal moster.
Pokemon has proven that you can have cheap and expensive version of cards, because if you want to just play the deck, you get the cheap low rarity version, but if you want to bling out your deck like A BUNCH OF PEOPLE like to do, the high rarity alt arts and expensive versions are there.
My Pokemon deck costs at most $80 if I get the cheapest versions. But I liked a bunch of the full art staples for the deck so I splurged a little to get them. People like shiny cardboard, give us options
I agree. We've SEEN Yu-Gi-Oh do this and it worked just fine, as far as I could tell. I think Konami's just satisfied with their current model because it's "working", but I really do think players are reaching their limits.
Hey fellas, great episode as usual! Just want to say I am 42 and I have 3 other friends who are also 35+ and we have been playing this game for over 20 years, not as consistently now due to everyone’s schedules, but we play when we can. I now have a 12 y/o son that I alternate ygo and lorcna with. Age shouldn’t be a factor in having a hobby, it’s the break you need from the wife and/or kids that will always be there for you, lol!
Quick correction on the Digimon bit. It was localized by Saban entertainment. Power Rangers Saban.
As a Vaylantz player, I feel I have to point out the reason it feels like every pend deck has to turbo into a link monster like Beyond or Electrimite is due to pendulums being stuck in master rule 4 and thus being tied to the hip to links. You need the link arrows on board just to make the pendulum mechanic worthwhile, and is very much an articial choke point for the decks. As nutty of a card as Beyond the Pendulum is, it's own effect shut's down your turn entirely if it gets Ash'd.
Small wonder every pend deck starts to feel like pend soup when the restrictions and support options keep funneling the mechanic into the same play patterns.
EDIT: While I'm not a fan trying to reboot the anime, as a deck Branded-Dark Magician/Chimera slaps and would be so fitting for Yugi, lol.
What do we have to do to get a game rolling? The admin team and content creators like YugiohCommander would love to make a trip out of it!
Shoot us an email when you can, we might be able to set up a trip to do a meetup and play. It may take a while from now, but we can maybe get the ball rolling.
@@apsamplifier Oh my gosh I did not get a notification for this when you posted, typing one up right now!!!!
Yeah.. as a person who was there since the start of the game/franchise.. it's hard pretend today's YGO is the same as yesteryear. I quit way back in 2015, then this year I studied hard all the meta and blah and tried it again.. and I'm done ALREADY.. the game is not only beyond my comprehension but its too pricey and not fun because of players with lightning fast plays and toxic moves. So I just quietly collect what older favorites I can get.
I really liked that take the market does ride on the back of the card game and not vice versa.
Agreed. the cards don't even get time to be played enough to earn the value people put on them on release. The people looking to play the stocks with the Yugioh Market has even expanded into other card games. Vanguard has been suffering from obscene prices on "good stuff" cards gatekeeping people from starting the game even after its latest reboot. There's a thing in that game called "The Keter Tax", if you wanted to build a Keter Sanctuary deck, there's multiple good generic cards that they need 4 copies to function...some reaching up to 40-60 bucks each, some of those were less than 3 bucks each before people found out they were playable. Even a rogue/casual Keter deck can cost you over $230 (before your deck theme, just generics) due to the Market when there's no real reason they need to be that high, especially with how folks like to claim the game is -ded- anyway.
This has been my favorite episode of the podcast. It just two friends talking about Yu-Gi-Oh unscripted. This episode felt really candid.
Thanks. We had a lot of fun with this one, too. I'll never shy away from a chance to just let loose about Yu-Gi-Oh
It's funny that one of the question topics is Edison format when Master Duel is currently running a 2010 event right now! Been having a lot of fun trying out this era!
md team tend to went easy on this type of mode, i quess no one wants to see six samurai and mind master ftk i think
But that's later than edision by about 6 months so it's not the format many invested in edision want.
Especially as it means mind master ftk is legal and six samurai combo nonsense exists which spits on the face of the wide breath of decks
@@Fencer_Nowa nah I played heaps of the event it was really good. Most players were on normal decks so it was great. Only degen I stuff I faced was a couple of exodia players and one infernity player. A large number were on the (actually cracked) QuickDraw and hero loaners but the people who cooked for it were on mostly Edison inspired stuff.
Shadowverse Evolve started out as my go-to Vanguard/(Advanced) Yugioh alternative (alongside Speed Duel☠️), and now its just my main game.
The way it's clearly inspired by MTG in how it adapts digital cards/mechanics into paper while still looking to refine Magic's more antiquated design choices is super appealing to me.
And "Quick" effects universally having very strict activation windows on top of needing open "Play Points" strikes a perfect balance of having just enough interaction without needing to ask my opponent: "Activate/summon (X), response?" every step of the way like I'm navigating a minefield.
I definitely think TCG players should have 1 maybe 2 tcgs they competitively play in, and then 2 or 3 tcgs they can casually switch in and out of. Something that I noticed with YGO is that it doesn't fully lend it self to the casual aspect, which I think is a huge detriment because the game can be fun!
I agree! You should check out DOmain Format sometime, I think it's exactly what you describe. A fun way to play with friends!
Flesh and Blood is my primary TCG and the one I’m most invested in. I’m a Yugiboomer who last played the TCG in 2006, and Duel Links kinda got me back into Yugioh, but now I just play super casual Speed Duel with a friend. I’ve thought about trying Edison but there’s not much support for it around me since all the Yugioh stuff at my locals is super competitive.
@@LCDigital92 Which is a damn shame. It'd be nice if Konami could standardize and put out some Time Wizard structure decks. But we'll never see the day with that.
A masterduel 2.0 should introduce a tcg/ocg server, not necessarily a english/Japanese server, but just one has tcg format, one has ocg format
Another change would be to add a 2/3 server, to have a side deck
That is all i want
The amount of fucks I heard during this weeks podcast filled me with so much joy and I have no idea why lol
I look forward to this every week, thanks for doing them!
For yugioh 2.0
1. Exclusive Alternate art for master duel only. End of a season which ever top two decks were played the most get an alternative art for their boss monster or primary spell card.
2. Rematch option
3. Ability to see your opponents timer
4. More gems if your able to win the duel before within 100 seconds (not excluding connection fails)
5. Highlight text in different colors that’s indicate the effect is to negate, special summon, destroy, banish, draw/search
I know it's slightly cliche, but it would be fun to occasionally have guests on the pod. Either other APS members or other yugitubers, the change in perspective would be entertaining.
We're working on it! Hope to have a new face or two on an episode as soon as we can.
@@apsamplifier very cool!
Love the podcast as always! Also happy that a lot of questions were able to be answered today, lots of cool stuff
17:44 My dude if you deckin out with Lightsworn in two turns, there’s something wrong.
You gotta deck out in your first turn😂
You call it market, but what it is is a black market. Konami should bring everything in common rarity to let us play and other products to upgrade rarity and even artworks. And no short prints at all.
Golden Moment of the POD: Paul saying, "F**k it. I'm a Yugi-Boomer"😂😂😂 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
They’d never directly sell dust because I guarantee the current method makes way more. Since the rates are slightly obfuscated, most people don’t really think about the rates when they’re pulling cards. You just pull and if you don’t get what you need (URs for example) you think about pulling again. If pulling packs has to compete with just buying dust, Konami risks losing out on all the extra purchases people have to make just to get what they want, which not only puts cash in their pocket but helps build a habit for the consumer. The inconsistency of the gems system is exactly what makes it so effective for monetizing
Something to point out is inflation. Jinzo was around $30 during it's time, but that is over $50 in today's money value.
Aint no way you started with emptying the pot, n not stiring the pot
2 - still on the premiere but started late so went back to the beginning
I miss when negates had drawbacks, dark bribe, Severn tools, magic jammer etc. each one had a draw back that could potentially hinder the player but they were still necessary. Now everything negates with no drawbacks, it’s a little bit dull 😢 I don’t want to agree about 2010 being better, because there’s some really cool legacy support now, but it really was.
The only thing that makes me hopeful that a remake could be done right is that Dark Side of Dimensions was excellent. It had basically the whole OG Dub cast. The art was an upgrade in every way (although if they did a remake I would sure hope they would use the OG car arts... not fond of the Dark Magician change). But Dark Side of Dimension was overall an excellent show of animation potential. They also show that they're still willing to work with the dub cast with things like Duel Links. There product marketing for North America nostalgia has been pretty trash though not including dubbed music though which sucks. So I would hope they would consider reviewing how 4kids did the openings as those were a huge impact on the show.
But personally I'd rather they just carry on from Dark Side of Dimensions. They laid the ground work to bring Atem back in the movie with Kaiba's dimensions technology. Plus at the 25th anniversary they showed all of the card dimensions. They honestly just need some plot that involves the gang going on a journey across the dimensions now and we're golden. I don't think they need to go back and remake the wheel.
just as a pokemon player who likes observing the yugioh community.
Pokemon TCG has a big "flex culture" for phrasing... where a small bunch of players will max rarity their deck playing gold/ full art trainer cards or... Full art/ Alternative collector art which can exceed heavy values! like between 40GBP -100GBP
3 factors for value of a card.
Rarity, Viability, Collectability. People will chase good cards but if a good card is a collectable pokemon like mew/ pikachu/ zard/ gengar the price shoots up
But trainer cards are like 1-2 dollars at most.
Standard Ex/ Gx/ V/ Vmax 3-12 quid based on competitiveness
To build a pokemon deck a competitive one at minimum rarity can be like 30-40 GBP... but max rarity in pokemon decks can be like 1k its mad but so much better than 1k just for THE DECK :) (we have 60 cards in deck and gold energy cards are expensive based on set) :))
When Link came out, I thought they were finally creating seasons, because they forbid everything except Link at that time and it felt so fresh. I am still hoping.
Ps: the game was already broken, when gladiator beasts came out
Its kinda hilarous paul says "we need a yugioh reset with a new anime"....when thats literally what rush did 4 years ago while also doing the "playground rules" nostalgic idea by making it a kid making his rules a real format by hard work and determination
Also to remark on the discussion of alt arts ruining value for players in the game: I think the issue is also that konami doesnt offer monetary reward to playing well in tournaments, but packs, so doing well for boxes and consoles, is how you get value. and half of that is CARDS, so people want the value in cards for themselves to feel they "Earned" out of the game
But Pokemon tcg players? Their events have cash. A fair bit for a tcg, that is so CHEAP to get into imo
Chronos’s first turn was confiscation, set 2 statue of the wicked, active Heavy Storm, tribute 2 wicked tokens, tribute summon Ancient Gear Golem and attack Avian.
I’d honestly love to see Paul (and only him) review the JP version of the anime starting w/ season 3 of GX -> Vrains as his perspective will be interesting as a modern yugioh player.
The “market will suffer” argument is complete BS. Japan isn’t suffering and they doing multiple rarity copies of cards on release. The issue is that the US is hyper capitalism mindset. Fact is folks, pure capitalism works only for a few and not the majority. The few want to keep things the same for even more money, when it does not need to be this way and succeed.
12:50 I agree with you Paul, I felt like people who played during the synchro and early xyz era (until Dino rabbit) really loved the game back then.
There was something tangible about the feel of the game back then, but that might just be nostalgia speaking.
Duel Master has a format where you're only allowed to use your Main Deck which is called Original Format as a opposed to Advanced Format where you have 2 extra decks; Psychic Deck and Gacharange Deck.
Fantastic episode love it, so many great topics brought up on this one. Can't wait to see more. Enjoy your time off!
A reboot to the card game would be pretty interesting especially if it was designed to focus more on the older, slower yugioh (Slower in comparison to modern game) and would certainly need to capture that old school vibe to be successful. In general I agree more ways to play yugioh would keep it fresh. Speed duel was kind of a cool idea but I didn't really latch onto it because of skill cards and smaller decks just made it feel too different that it didn't really capture that old playground vibe.
Definitely relate a lot to the conversation about my relationship with Yugioh and competing. I had an era where I liked to play at locals and regionals but that has passed. An actual game of competitive yugioh is more work than fun with all the tension that exists from the competitive environment. Playing with friends or just casually on master duel is way more enjoyable and gets me my fill of yugioh
As a stun player myself it definitely happens that a lot of supporters of stun are looking for a way to halt the oppressive power of stronger decks. For myself it's mostly just that I'm not actually interested in combo based decks and they are too strong for my lower power strategies to do anything except for the fact that stun cards force them to play at a slower pace. As long as Konami provides me the tools that allow me to play these slower strategies that I enjoy that are carried by the stun elements I will because it's what I want to play and I can play it with what I consider an acceptable amount of success thanks to the power of stun.
Lastly definitely relate to that toning down and downsizing of Yugioh stuff. As someone who loved building casual decks I now have so many that they are a hassle to keep up with so I'm definitely going to focus in on which one I likes and pair down the rest. Also tossed the bulk quite a while back to where i only have my backpack and one box of cards and it's just nice. Thinking I'll be doing the same with my collectables and things in the future.
Relate! Relate! Relate! I recently got rid of a bunch of excess stuff (and we had A LOT) by just donating most of it to the local card shop. A bunch of people get sleeves, mats, and products and I get the freedom that comes from more space (and less mental clutter, too). I just want my favorite decks, a collection of old-school Yu-Gi-Oh cards I've kept in a binder, and that's really it for cards. It's liberating, honestly.
I think stun very much has a place in this game, and always has. It feels perhaps more annoying to people now as a result of how contrary it is to the breakneck pace of modern Yu-Gi-Oh, but I will never blame that issue on the stun cards. I think if we could bring down the speed and power levels of things across the board, there would be less incentive for a player to use raw stun as a coping mechanism (not to say that all stun players are doing that, but just that I know some who do play it as something of a rebuttal to enough losses to modern combo decks).
Just wanted to say that thanks to your dueling videos I got into YGO after 20-something years.
Hot take. If the "best of the bsst" gets washed in round 1 then they ain't the best and shouldn't be skipping rounds
Starting a tournament at 2-0 without even playing is an unfair advantage no matter how you slice it. The deeper you get into a tournament the more you play more skilled opponents sure but the first two rounds are the most volatile and it’s not like they are knock out stages so I don’t see why anyone should get to dodge them. Makes me respect the European pros who don’t get the unfair advantage yet still top every event over there even more.
The speed and complexity of the game also makes it hard not to be tense. The game puts a lot of pressure on your mental stack to keep all of this in your head while trying to analyze the situation.
Pretty sure Crowlers first turn was set 2, heavy storm, summon two tokens, tribute summon Golem.
DOMAIN FORMAT MENTION!!!! LESGOOOOO 😆 If anyone wants to learn about the format, its all my channel is about. Thank you, Team APS, for always putting out great content for everyone to enjoy!
Domain collab with Team APS when?
Another thing that's important to consider is that post-Edison is around the time when everyone starting getting a smartphone and fancied themselves backpack vendors. The smartphone was the death of the "T" in TCG.
Don't worry it died before that.
Anyone with a computer and access to pojo or mike loda was ripping prices listed there regardless of how outta date they are.
It's why we have the knowledge of how much cydra costed historically or mech chaser
@@Fencer_Nowa Knowing prices didn't turn everyone into a backpack vendor and was never the issue. The issue was when everyone had a pocket price checker where they could determine the value of something on the spot which turned everything into a nickel and diming monetary transaction.
100% 2010 is YGO Golden years. Thanks for being honest Paul
Love everyone's commitment to this channel and Yugioh Alec and Paul especially..I know most of us are in our 30's heck I'm 36 and I know it feels like it sucks but hell man that's what time is and does it's limited. And I'll be damned if you are gonna stop me, yes I'm grown up, *spoilers* I'm like the ghoul from Fallout " I do this s*** for the love of the game" I will always be out here tryin to bridge 🌉 the gap between all age groups and show we all got something to offer, not be a grumpy old man who was focused on myself the entire time. " All you need is love ev-er-y day" - DMB -
I think a unique problem that the game faces now is that, generally speaking, the only way for players to feasibly play any of the "slower" cards is to just jam whatever stun/floodgate cards they have to artificially slow the game down enough for those "slower" cards to do their thing. I personally don't hate Stun as much as some people, but I do think that it kind of sucks that the only way to enjoy some of the slower payoffs the game can provide is to basically cheese your opponent....
I really did go from hours of deck building off the dome back in 2011 as a kid to now returning and just looking online for decklists and then changing like 5-10 cards at most 😂
If you are planning to sell your bulk cards maybe you can have a community request tab so we can buy some cards we are missing. That way we can unload what you have and support the channel. Also if that doesn’t work you can give/ sell your cards to cyberknight, I think he would get a blast opening them up
Everyone loved Denson format in 2010 literally kids in school who didn't play anymore came out to play and started buying cards again. It was definitely peak yugioh.
Quick correction as someone who regularly competes in local and national FGC events: Fighting Game tournament never let pros skip pools, instead pools are seeded, with good players being rated highly and thus mostly playing bad players in early rounds. This way you don't accidentally have #1 and #2 in the world fight each other game 1 or something.
I have to jump into the yugiboomer boat, cuz this game is out of control & I couldn’t even imagine how they going to resolve this issue for something that is very risk taking.
I didn’t play ff7 growing up. I had a n64. I tried to play 7 remake and I just couldn’t get into it at all. All my friends that I played the original game and played remake understood why I couldn’t get into it. It was definitely a game for veteran players and not for first timers.
The original Final Fantasy VII will always be better than Final Fantasy VII Remake/Rebirth/R.
@@LunaticKD1991 ...and worse than 9. 7 is a lot of big jumps from 6 and was set up to drop as at the beginning of the console's lifespan which is why it has so much nostalgia to people, while 9 is where you can tell they understand the console better but gets less praise because going from a 5 to a 9 is a big jump but 9 to 9.2 is not... And then the jump to 10 is another massive jump.
I like the idea of rebooting the anime and card game. But it would have to be done right. Maybe even do a reboot pack of legend of blue eyes go back remake the monster with more balance for normal and effect monsters
As some one whos loved yugioh since the beginning like you guys and a collector i not going to touch the game till older more slow paced formats get supported in some official compasity, id love to work my way up from goat to edison at locals woth others who just wanna have fun...fun is something sorely lacking in the current format and it show's my locals is hurting for attendance
Honestly you guys are my fav yugioh content creators🎉 Greetings from Tijuana Mexico
Thank you! And greetings from the US of A!
I know I'll always have decks for me and others to play. A small dream of mine is to have a playable deck of every cool archetype so that anyone that even remotely shows intrest in Yugioh will be able to play and see whether or not it's fun for them. The cost of cards and deck building skills will always be a barrier to entry for people that aren't already here, so having that part already done and having an open seat with a playable deck, form fitted to what they think sounds fun, is a goal I have fun working on to this day. "Oh, you like Devil May Cry, Yugioh has a cool deck loosely based on the franchise if you wanted to run a set." "You really like Gladiators? I have a Yugioh deck based on them you can try!"
Saban dubbed Digimon not 4kids. Also the original japanese kids did have fun personalities.
The problem for yugioh is theres isnt a non competitive format you can show a friend and have a fun chill game. Yugioh needs a commanderish format.
Domain format is pretty fun !
@BirdCaramel yeah but every yugioh format you hear about is how competitive it gets. And how everyone has done every combo. What about a yugioh format where you can only use 1 of each card and extra deck is reduced to 10. All op cards are banned and people can just chill. Restriction breeds creativity. Creativity builds fun.
@@dedgamingchannel3748 facts 👍🏼
@@dedgamingchannel3748the answer is still domain format. You can only play one copy of a card, and only play monsters that align with your deckmaster.
Alternatively you could do duels with just structure decks. Or you build your own decks on your desired power level.
With people who know a little bit more about the game drafting modes are also very fun and chill, like cube drafting or arena mode (you can do both on ygprodeck).
There are a lot of ways to enjoy Yu-Gi-Oh and they are what keep me in the game. So feel free to ask me about more details if you like :)
@GeargianoXG 100% and even though tournaments have picked up and a handful of people play high power level. Most people want to play for fun and a multiple people can handle someone playing really strong decks. Alot of wild dynamics. Most people also play with their friends and the power levels balance organically
the no extra deck format sounds like an interesting idea, a couple other things i've been thinking about would be like a format where you can only build your deck out of one-ofs/you can only have two duplicate cards in your deck in total or something, AND you can only play two spells or traps from hand per turn like in the manga or something along those lines, or maybe there could be like a "joyous springlock" format or something LOL where essentially tampering with the deck is completely forbidden by the rules like basically if an effect _could_ be negated by ash, it can't be activated in the format at all, ever
idk like i like the idea of something that could mess with the balance/potentially slow down the game, inherently because of the rules rather than because of limiting the cards
When you were talking about fave toxic decks and how folks get worn down by the meta and resort to such strats in order to get anywhere: This was literally the case for me when I decided to pick up Chain Burn back in the early 2010's. My locals had several of those super competitive people who loved to talk down to players who weren't "at their level", and after several months of this treatment, I wanted something cheap and fun that could give them a run for their money. I found Chain Burn and suddenly I was actually making it to the top table consistently. The issue following that was them instead calling me trash at the game because I had to rely on a "degenerate deck" to do anything. Sorry not sorry guys, my cardboard was just as capable of winning games as yours was. :D
They did continue to harass me and the shop owners did nothing about it. I stopped going to that shop and last I heard, they shut down their YGO stuff about a year later due to players being toxic/rude to each other and non-YGO players going to the shop for other games/DnD. Good riddance to bad trash.
This was a scary podcast.
I agree that the game feels tense, new cards are too valuable and Edison is "golden age"
But I'm just coming back to the game! I don't know what to do. The community at my local shop pushes me to play competitive. If I chose to play Edison it would turn into Blackwing mirrors.
Play! Find out for yourself how you feel about the game today, don't just take it from us. You might find that you enjoy modern Yu-Gi-Oh a lot, which is totally fine!
That's what I don't like about the Edison fanbase, sure the game was better but there were still toxic cards like trap dustshoot and royal oppression. Freezing the game in that format without ever changing up the banlist or introducing newer cards to underpowered Edison decks means Blackwings will always be the best deck until people get tired of the format and move on like they did goat format.
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr black wing isn't the best deck.
It's dragon turbo. Frog variants then black wings
@@Fencer_Nowa the barrier to entry is low with Blackwings = everyone plays Blackwings = "the local meta"
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr I am the definition of a "Yugi-boomer" and I'm still delighted by how much the game has grown.
Pre Xyz and Link was fun, don't get me wrong, but the game's strength has always been tied to how your cards are ALL going to remain playable forever. Why would we mess with that?
Side note: I looked into Domain and it's a mess. Just bring back team battles
Turns out, having 15 cards that always start in a protected extra hand is really good.
This episode SLAPS!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. We have to do this again!
@@apsamplifier Keep up the great work, TEAM!
I’m coming back to yugioh after 5 years I’m doing a cube draft night with some friends who are older than me (I’m 33) we played at a card shop 20+ years ago and stayed friends. Just like how groups of friends do poker nights we have an awesome cube draft we will be playing or do something else another night. Also can play with kids as they grow up. It’s all good. Play when your 40 who cares play when your 60 keep your mind sharp 🤙
The secondary market can go fudge itself. Konami will make more money by putting more good cards in players hands. Konami makes nothing from people selling cards, packs, and boxes on the secondary market while simultaniously turning players away from the game due to how expensive it is to aquire the good cards that their decks need just to be able to play.
The secondary market is primarily started by locals so yes konami make money as they buy cases to crack.
@21:20 there isnt a great balance. Collecting is bad for players because that drives values and prices up. Reprinting & playing is bad for collectors. It's a razor thin balance, and the Yu-Gi-Oh community is so dynamic that it can't stand. I personally just say, reprint em all. The game becomes more accessible and grows if it's cheaper. Cardboard is an awful investment and shouldn't be used as a serious investment avenue anyway.
Just for shaking up the game, maybe remove tribute summoning for non effect monsters or reducing 5 and 6 normal to zero and 7 and 8 to one. As for a new mechanic, maybe rocket red borders that summon from the extra deck by banishing the material face down from hand, field, or graveyard. Like link summoning, but you can't get the material back.
To comment briefly on the Retro Pack discourse: I understand wanting to cash in on the nostalgia fever by giving people more chances to see older cards from their childhoods, but they could have released a new set to do that. They did not have to go muddying up an older set that has no real purpose today except to be a collection of trophies for collectors. This is exactly the kind of set that should cater towards the high-end spenders and collectors, and calling collectors out for gatekeeping the set doesn't do anything because there's nothing of value to gatekeep from the modern audience. Well...maybe one exception; the one, only thing of value that comes from rewaving Retro Pack 1 is to give Time Wizard players a more accessible shot at a foil printing of pre-errata Sangan. But, again, they could have done that in a new product without destroying people's binders in the process.
They still own the cards They're not destroying anything.
Crying over values when pre erratas of cards are what time wizard players have wanted for years since they started it is wild.
Especially when the CG in both western and Eastern territory stands for card game. Almost as if they're game pieces and collectable factor shouldn't be soley be tied to price
They could make an animation of ghe manga that started with a guy playing tenyi
And the prices kind of just determine the trades you can make between players.
If they do an anime, it should be a prequel to the original. That way they could justify adding a few new cards in a set to promote the anime and to make the duels faster with the old rules when Atem was a Pharaoh. He’d be the protagonist as Yugi does not exist yet. This way they also could further flesh out characters like Shimon and Priest Seto.
I want to invent a format that has to have exodia in the deck, but the win conditions arnt about getting all the pieces in your hand, it's about getting rid of all the pieces from your opponents deck.
Calling it Explodia
I think YGO has a lot of design space constriction, but this is where konami usually shines. It's just the problem of whether they'll work out or compete with the current meta without more power creep. And also some design ideas might be end being similar like Ragnaraika and Tri-Brigade or like the Crystal Beast face-up Spell comparison.
This is why I love Deck Build Sets; they're more focused on fun mechanics than competitiveness; they could end up being competitive which is a coinflip result. Main booster sets are more focused on competitiveness where decks like tearlament, kashtira, and snake-eyes have originated and dominated the meta so often. Though they do have some fun idea decks like the new Exodia where the monsters go into the S/T Zones as Continuous Spells like 'stone tablets'
3:53 different rules for victory, different ways to play the game that may actually use the cards you have.
1:16:20 I don't know if its because we get them so rarely, but I actually prefer going to YCSs than locals or regionals. YCS Sydney isn't exactly a spectical but I get to make a fun trip out of it.... Our locals are always so late when I have to get up for work the next morning (Yugioh always seems like it is locked into Thursday and Sunday at all the locals close to me haha)
Also I agree with Alec most of the time when I do go for locals it is when Edison is on 😂
how about a new summon mechanic called collide summon: there are collide monsters in the deck with two effects. its own effect and then half of another effect. to collide summon you take two collide monsters and put them together to get one new effect. some have first half of an effect others have the second half.
eg. card one says : this monster cant be destroyed by battle.
card two says : this monster cant be destroyed by card effects.
individually they work fine but together, they collide to form a monster that cant be destroyed.
Given Alec's favorite card is Ancient Gear Golemn and Paul's is Jinzo (or at least the reason the channel is called aps), I'm surprised you guys never did a duel where all the APS members just play with decks built around their favorite boss/ace monsters.
I hate it but i see why magic has a thing for cards to expire or sunset i think it'd allow for easy eras/formats to be made and it would free them up on not having to worry about cards that would break the game. Im not a fan of it, but maybe i should be.
No favorite toxic deck for me because I don't think I've played a toxic deck.
Well... actually I played True Draco in some of the Master Duel events.
It was the optimal move. Can you blame me?
i dont really enjoy the gameplay of edison very much but i definitely do think it is a significantly less Toxic environment to play in most of the time
Agreed!
I play Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon and Lorcana. Pokemon and Lorcana I play very casually(Lorcana I only play with structure decks and Pokemon I used to compete in, but now I just play with my old decks casually). Commander is awesome and pretty much the only format I play in Magic because it's just a fun, laid-back format that you play with 2-3 other people. cEDH exists(competitive commander), which I'm sure gets intense and crazy, but it's not for me. I am super interested in Doman format for Yu-Gi-Oh, but I can hardly find anyone to play standard formats with much less Domain.
43:22 YES!! FINALLY! Somebody said it other than me! Myself, along with everyone I know who plays TCGs have said that we would love to go back to Yu-Gi-Oh IF it got a reboot. The current game, IMO, is beyond broken, and there's no easy fix. In its current form, I genuinely think the game is dying because NOBODY NEW wants to jump into the game at this point. With a solid reboot, you get new eyes and new players with a new starting point.
If you love Yu-Gi-Oh, you have to recognize that the TCG isn't what's important, the survival of the franchise is.
Wholly agreed
If my questions from a couple weeks ago were not read off, are they no longer on the list of potential questions in future episodes because the pot of greed has been "emptied"? I'd love to see a pod episode dedicated to just looking at alt formats from the viewers.
There should be distinctions of Yugi-Boomers. Like there are YB's that just want caveman, DM/GX YGO. Then there's Edison Boomers. Then HAT Boomers (which I'm part of because I love Zexal & Xyz). The term might be stretched if you want to include TOSS. We all want a slower pace of game but can't agree on what that means.
Cards I love for Komoney to revist and give support to the Dark Scorpions.
It's honestly surprising that they haven't found a way to convert certain dust yet. As I've seen, you accumulate a lot of Normal and Rare dust.
At this point everyone's got tens of thousands of normal and rare dust, I don't think dust conversions can happen, either the costs would have to be huge preventing new players from ever being able to do it or they'd be giving the existing players enough UR dust to never open their wallet.
It's at a point you make it so new or more casual players can't reasonably do it but the hardcore grinders would never pay again.
It's very much a thing that's needed from day 1
You know, the Digimon Adventure reboot was one of my least favorite Digimon entries too, but something I will say to its credit is that they went very hard on the deep Digimon lore. You got to see a glimpse of Archelomon in Zudomon's evolution because that's who he gets the shell armor from. MagnaAngemon Priest Mode, who as far as I can recall had only shown up in the V-Tamer manga, appears in Seraphimon's evolution. Mimi got an Armor Evolution that didn't appear in 02 as a side evolution. Stuff like that was really cool as a big Digimon fan.
Also, DarkKnightmon was such an out of left field yet refreshing dark evolution for Gatomon. The obvious and more boring choice would have been LadyDevimon, but they really mixed it up.
I'm curious as to what would happen if the game slowed down drastically via newer cards just being less powerful. Like, stop printing massively powerful things.
It would be great, I think! Although they'd have to do something about the existing powerful cards and fast strategies. Banning them all outright would be a harsh approach.
Seeing as people are fans of rescue ace in modern but also love BA, invoked shaddoll dogmatica and stuff like it in historical context people would enjoy it because they're slower paced grind decks
@@apsamplifier For sure. It would have to be a massively complicated banlist haha.
We need like cards that slow the game down, like counter cards in magic counter negates, i propose unlinks, they cost link monsters and your opponent negating something to summon, can only be in defense position, and can only be summoned when a negate happens anytime, this makes negates more scary to use, and would give an option to counter getting completely shut down
Ygo NEEDS a commander type format, completely casual. Not going for the W but for the group interactions and fun. I think 1 copy of a card per deck and limiting special summons might be the best way to go but idk i moved onto mtg and gave up on ygo 4 years ago.