Life outside the EU: Swiss lessons for post-Brexit UK (part 2)

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  • Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2024

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  • @drsnova7313
    @drsnova7313 3 года назад +12

    "Food standards are decided on by shoppers and consumers"
    Right. So just toss rotten and unsafe food on the market for cheap, and if the poor and desperate buy it - perfect, new food standard!

    • @Onurius99
      @Onurius99 3 года назад +1

      I agree with your point, but what about the poor and desperate under the current arrangement?

    • @drsnova7313
      @drsnova7313 3 года назад

      @@Onurius99 Can only speak for my own country, where if you are in need, you get a place to live paid for, free healthcare, and enough money to buy food, clothing and limited "luxuries" by the government (And yeah, I had to make use of that for a few months a while back in my life - so I am talking from experience. I was even able to save a few Euros each month). So current arrangement is perfectly sufficient (but can still be improved, arguably, in the long run, with UBI). But I do believe food standard should stay as they are, because even with government support, it may be too tempting to save money by buying sub-standard food if it would be widely available. And malnourished or sick people are ultimately more costly to society than tossing in a few extra Euros (or create special discounts) to buy "proper" food.

  • @micheltibon6552
    @micheltibon6552 3 года назад +2

    Interesting documentary part 1 and 2. I wish you could have also shown the checks and controls the EU put in place to verify if the Swiss agricultural standards are similar to the EU standards before it is imported in the EU.

  • @davidsmith6661
    @davidsmith6661 3 года назад +4

    No one seems to think about the Common External Tariffs - those tariffs which are levied on goods imported into the EU from outside. These are there to protect inefficient manufacturers and producers in the EU from competition. For example, there is a CET on lamb of 74% which makes lamb from, for example, New Zealand expensive. If, or when following Brexit in the UK, the CET is abolished, this means that lamb as an example will be much cheaper. The same holds true for many foodstuffs from around the world and, with the nearly 60 trade deals which the UK has already negotiated around the world - in just 2 years - this means that many food products will become cheaper - cheaper than the same items from the EU. People speculate that the price of food with rocket up in the UK after Brexit and, it is true that a small number of EU-specific goods may be more expensive but, in the main, food will be cheaper. Australia currently have a surplus of wine following disputes with China. Why should the UK buy wine from France, Germany, Italy etc., when they can get it cheaper from Australia?

    • @joshualand5330
      @joshualand5330 3 года назад +3

      Why should the UK buy beef from the british farmers if they can get it cheaper from Brazil?

    • @spintoisme
      @spintoisme 3 года назад +3

      I used to think the same way, but the tariffs main purpose is to protect internal producers from outside competition. We could let the local farmers get out of business, and import all food from cheaper markets, but that will make us dependent on other countries for feeding the population, which in case of a conflict give those countries the upper hand. In my opinion, UK should take measures to increase its food production and protect their farmers otherwise it will be quite exposed to external treats.

    • @seyed7380
      @seyed7380 3 года назад

      @@joshualand5330 Nationalism. British Identity. Non-sense.

  • @craigjamieson5078
    @craigjamieson5078 3 года назад +9

    I'm an agriculturist and I'm amazed by this video. Congratulations to the French Government for this masterclass in propaganda!

    • @andr386
      @andr386 3 года назад +3

      France24 is a direct arm of the French government. It's mostly fair but clearly indugles in propaganda on some issues. The French government took the money they invested into TV5, an international Francophone TV channel highlighting diverse opinions and culture around the former French speaking world, to invest into France24. It's pretty sad. It's not RT now, but sometimes it's not that far.

    • @indacage271
      @indacage271 3 года назад +5

      Lower standards in the U.K.? We have already stopped live animal shipments and pulse fishing. France needs to up its game. They are decades behind the U.K.

  • @Garcwyn
    @Garcwyn 3 года назад +8

    There is no lesson to be learnt. Switzerland has a plethora of adhoc arrangements with plenty of guillotine clauses that activate if some aspects of the treaties are not met. It allows free movement of people, belongs to the custom union, etc. The UK has now left the EU with a bare bone deal. Just a bit better than WTO and heavily skewed towards the EU (and not only because of fisheries). There is nothing to learn here. The UK was shafted and their citizens will pay for it whether with less standards, less protections, and less security. Among others. The benefits are nebulous atm to say the least

    • @berkensayilir6467
      @berkensayilir6467 3 года назад

      They sure are not part of the customs union rofl.

    • @99Boiko
      @99Boiko 3 года назад

      Wrong. It is Brussels with the poor deal, and it is only due to Britain's wealth that Merkel caved in at the last minute acting in Germany's own interests (and even that is telling since nobody should have had such unilateral influence had the bloc been genuine). You're producing the same twaddle Remainers were providing pre-referendum, in other words those which the Remain groups claimed but failed to demonstrate where convincing enough people to remain shackled to the EU. You seem well versed in Swiss affairs and you are correct: in its year of referenda regarding the EU, its people were trickfucked unto agreeing to six or so from about nine agreements, enough to make Switzerland a de facto member. The different between Switzerland and Britain from last night 11pm GMT is that the Swiss will be paying their supplement which in their own case is a deficit. Britain has access to that same market but will not be paying any more annual fees, nor is it beholden to the ECJ, and no longer will asylum seekers wait in five-star hotels while a house and benefits are granted to them. The EU deal is skewed towards Britain, and Britain now has bilateral trade deals which the EU forbade it from doing. Switzerland has the EU albatross around its neck, and cannot do so.

    • @Garcwyn
      @Garcwyn 3 года назад +3

      @@99Boiko seriously man you are embarrassing yourself. You don’t know what you are talking about. Have you read the treaty? Because it’s a treaty you know.
      - The UK cannot under the "deal" veto Scotland, NI or indeed any other part of the UK rejoining the EU.
      - The "deal" has no direct effect and no UK citizen can pursue against denial of any rights or failures in any obligations, that may be set out in the deal, effectively making and such rights and obligations (if any) meaningless.
      - The ECJ is only precluded from dispute resolution in relation to the "deal" itself and will continue to have jurisdiction where the resolution of private trade and other disputes having European characteristics are brought before it, particularly where the complainant is European. Theoretically UK citizens could also in such cases put their dispute before the ECJ, particularly as the UK courts have limited enforcement mechanisms following the deal.
      - The "deal" gears the UK to be the breaching party and the EU to be the enforcing party in nearly all instances.
      - Services; the most valuable UK export is excluded from the scope of the deal and fully subject to the EU regulation and the whims of member-states, with no recourse, if even allowed at all.
      - The "deal" does not apply to any British Overseas Territories including Gibraltar, which is effectively under de-facto Spanish jurisdiction. Anguilla (as another example) is now effectively economically subject to the French/Dutch overseas territory of St Martin.
      - Financial Services some 10% of UK GDP, has no passporting and thus are to be more or less fully absorbed into the EU economy.
      - Equivalence of professions is severely limited particularly in relation to doctors and medical practitioners; a requirement designed specifically to bleed NHS staff away from the UK and into the EU, amongst other professionals.
      I can carry on and all this is only after a cursory read...
      Without even going in the fish farce, the EU has ruthlessly eviscerated the UK both politically and economically.
      I know this is hard to swallow but I have no beef here as I have left the UK two years after the referendum. I wish both sovereign realms the best but it’s what it’s.

    • @jamiejones8508
      @jamiejones8508 3 года назад +2

      @@Garcwyn helpful summary thanks!

  • @craigjamieson5078
    @craigjamieson5078 3 года назад +7

    "I’m a remainer, but there’s one result of Brexit I can’t wait to see: leaving the EU’s common agricultural policy. This is the farm subsidy
    system that spends €50bn (£44bn) a year on achieving none of its objectives. It is among the most powerful drivers of environmental destruction in the northern hemisphere." - George Monbiot.

    • @Brightstarlivesteam
      @Brightstarlivesteam 3 года назад +4

      The UK gave uo part of it' rebate, in exchange for changes in COP, but these changes never happened. Typical EU hypocrisy and failure to act in good faith!

    • @richardturner9317
      @richardturner9317 3 года назад +1

      what about the 'common fisheries' policies as well ?

  • @tobeytransport2802
    @tobeytransport2802 3 года назад +2

    Of course he’d think it’s better to be in the ‘framework’ because he is first and foremost a high ranking EU Eurocrat and secondly a German

    • @micheltibon6552
      @micheltibon6552 3 года назад +1

      The Swiss guy interviewed in part 1 also said it is better to be in the framework.

    • @tobeytransport2802
      @tobeytransport2802 3 года назад +1

      @@micheltibon6552 the ‘framework’ comes with a whole load of red tape, and eurocratic nonsense. The EU is a mega state and is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with Europe. Don’t get me wrong, I love the single market and think schengen is great for the countries that want to be in it but the EU forces conformity on so many other levels just to be part of it

    • @micheltibon6552
      @micheltibon6552 3 года назад +1

      @@tobeytransport2802 I was also searching on the RUclips channel DW Documentary on the key words fair trade and agriculture policy. You quickly find that Europe is undermining the growth of local African agricultural markets because of heavily subsidised EU farming. I wonder how the British farmers will cope with that. I understand no extra money is going to Britsh agriculture.

    • @tobeytransport2802
      @tobeytransport2802 3 года назад +1

      @@micheltibon6552 but African farmers are probably less well off and don’t have much machinery.

    • @santoriniblue8413
      @santoriniblue8413 3 года назад

      @@tobeytransport2802 You're right! Its a real machine of churning out red tape and regulations and creeping to take over issues that are sovereignity of each member nation and its citizens which was never envisaged when joining. Agree too monolithic in many aspects: economy ... you can't blame countries that buy your products,

  • @piotrwojdelko1150
    @piotrwojdelko1150 3 года назад +9

    I'm Polish in the UK and I see that this country shining outside more than it is, I think Polish will chnage destination to Ireland and Germany.If they wanted a brexit every british citizen should have picked fresh veg as a part of the citizenship including Borys as a part of their citizenship pledge for example one day a year.

    • @clivejohnson8328
      @clivejohnson8328 3 года назад +2

      The UK can't feed itself so British farmers will have to change what they produce the rest of the food that we need will be imported at 0% tariffs and not always from the EU.

    • @moow950
      @moow950 3 года назад +4

      @@clivejohnson8328 Lots of cheap US products with low food standards

    • @dugan6056
      @dugan6056 3 года назад +1

      @@moow950 As stated the buying public dictate food quality. If it's chlorinated chicken that worries you? where do you think you'll be able to buy it?? Tescos? Asda, Lidls? Better fill up the car!! It'll be a long drive. Same goes for all fresh produce. Btw, the sky isn't going to fall either.

    • @gloin10
      @gloin10 3 года назад +4

      @@clivejohnson8328
      That means the destruction of the UK's agricultural sector...
      Well Done!

    • @clivejohnson8328
      @clivejohnson8328 3 года назад +1

      @@moow950 standards don't have to drop you have no proof of that just your view and we can buy anywhere not just the UK.

  • @mrityunjaysingh9080
    @mrityunjaysingh9080 3 года назад +3

    Think, being from a third neutral country - this tit-for-tat seems fair though still quite unbalanced. EU has said no to passporting rights to any British financial services org (ie. one of the biggest services export from Britain) - which would means thousands in UK FS would lose jobs, and in return UK says no only to fishing rights which is 0.1% of GDP in return

    •  3 года назад

      The english decided they wanted to be out, they're out. They should be compensating the EU. They can bathe in the free market.

    • @chairmakerPete
      @chairmakerPete 3 года назад +1

      @ that scary free market, eh?
      You can't wrap your producers in cotton wool forever. You keep uk fish for 5.5 years, so you've been more than compensated with that and a £39bn exit fee which you can put in your corona fund.
      Now you can do all the things we stopped you from achieving, so we shall expect the EU to accelerate its growth to world-leading levels in the next five years to overtake the USA as an absolute minimum (you're a lot bigger than the USA, so no excuses).

    • @moow950
      @moow950 3 года назад +1

      And rightly so the EU denies any passporting rights for UK Financial services!!! These should be provided within the EU, not outside!!!!!

    • @chairmakerPete
      @chairmakerPete 3 года назад

      @Seán O'Nilbud let's see. It's definitely "game on".
      To the victor, the spoils; to the loser, death.

    • @singlelegstretch
      @singlelegstretch 3 года назад

      @@chairmakerPete glad it's all just a game to you.

  • @JohnSmith-bx8zb
    @JohnSmith-bx8zb 3 года назад +3

    Switzerland, like the other 2 big members of the EEA have something that the EU does not have which is eye watering Cost of Living!!!! Taken world wide many those first world countries who are not in the EU this high cost of living seems to be the norm.

    • @moow950
      @moow950 3 года назад +2

      Indeed, Switzerland is very expensive!!

    • @JohnSmith-bx8zb
      @JohnSmith-bx8zb 3 года назад +1

      @@moow950 try Norway and Iceland, Iceland if memory serves me right still owe cash from their banking collapse.

    • @drsnova7313
      @drsnova7313 3 года назад +1

      @@JohnSmith-bx8zb Travelled to both Norway and Switzerland many times - couldn't really see a significant difference in prices. As a tourist, at least. Of course I don't know how cost of living compares to salaries for their citizens, except that "high" is probably the word to use in all cases.

    • @dasmaurerle4347
      @dasmaurerle4347 3 года назад +3

      The 'high' cost of living is relative. Since the wages are 'high' as well it's not really a problem.

    • @JohnSmith-bx8zb
      @JohnSmith-bx8zb 3 года назад +1

      @@drsnova7313 so you did not notice that Norwegians do ‘mega shops’ in Sweden’.

  • @Tony-pk6ql
    @Tony-pk6ql 3 года назад +4

    Oh please, chlorine washed chicken- the red herring of all remoaners

    • @lepetitroquet9410
      @lepetitroquet9410 3 года назад +1

      Along with delays at the borders or a border within the UK.
      Oh wait... ;P

  • @marilenaganea6578
    @marilenaganea6578 3 года назад +4

    You got the name of the British minister for agriculture wrong. His name is George Useless.

  • @Dr-Mohammad-Yunus-fans
    @Dr-Mohammad-Yunus-fans 3 года назад +2

    Fie ca Dumnezeul meu să-mi dea bună credință

  • @davidgibson5672
    @davidgibson5672 3 года назад +1

    You should have done it from the Guernsey.

  • @stephenrichards5386
    @stephenrichards5386 3 года назад +1

    It's not what is coming from friends in Switzerland

  • @gemstar8386
    @gemstar8386 3 года назад +6

    More Euro drivel

  • @eustab.anas-mann9510
    @eustab.anas-mann9510 3 года назад +1

    Switzerland is de facto part of the EU. Way different from the UK.

  • @rubberyowen1469
    @rubberyowen1469 3 года назад +7

    I don't understand all this concern about the U.K. after the 1st Jan 2021. I can understand some E.U. countries like France having a knock at us but really what we do is of no concern to anybody. Do your checks on our products as we will with yours the same as any trading countries. I appreciate your concern but please mind your own business. We will no longer be a member of the E.U. I am pleased to say.

    • @karstenschuhmann8334
      @karstenschuhmann8334 3 года назад +5

      That is fine with us, as long as you do not blame the EU for your own actions.

    • @derbaeumaed8158
      @derbaeumaed8158 3 года назад +3

      @@karstenschuhmann8334 definitely unikely they won't

    • @bugsygoo
      @bugsygoo 3 года назад +3

      The poms have been whingeing to Europe for the last couple of decades. Unfortunately Brexit won't stop that. You lot are born whingers.

    • @wilsonmanch6773
      @wilsonmanch6773 3 года назад +2

      Do you think the elites actually cares about food price increase due to tariffs? It’s us who lives on the ground that will suffer the most. We barely make enough for a decent lives, we can’t afford a sudden high inflation. Look at the housing, we are already suffering just trying to pay for housing!

  • @Paul_C
    @Paul_C 3 года назад +4

    Why is a British lady interested in European farming? You left because you were not happy, right? And if the goal is to increase farming in the UK you definitely are not on the right path, lowering standards means a race to the bottom.

    • @Kitiwake
      @Kitiwake 3 года назад

      It always does

    • @stephenspence1192
      @stephenspence1192 3 года назад

      She is a presenter for France 24, it is her job.

  • @Brightstarlivesteam
    @Brightstarlivesteam 3 года назад +3

    It is already happening is the EU, Pork products can be sold by using contaminated pig heads with ulcers, Lesions and TB! This is banned in the UK. Who has the higher standards?

    • @andrekoniger3020
      @andrekoniger3020 3 года назад

      The EU sets minimum standards every member has to follow, no one hinders them to put up higher standards.

    • @Brightstarlivesteam
      @Brightstarlivesteam 3 года назад +2

      @@andrekoniger3020Exactly! We have a superior standards, therefore, Pork Products from the EU do not meet UK standards and any of these products from the EU need to be banned!

    • @andrekoniger3020
      @andrekoniger3020 3 года назад

      @@Brightstarlivesteam
      But that isn't the case, do you know why?

    •  3 года назад

      @@Brightstarlivesteam No one cares about your moronic lies.

  • @k.t.5405
    @k.t.5405 3 года назад +2

    EU = PEACE IN EUROPE!!! :)

    • @99Boiko
      @99Boiko 3 года назад +3

      Really? Tell that to the families of the Algerian civilians supporting independence that were slaughtered by the forces of the Fourth French Republic both during and after the creation of the "European Communities".

    • @k.t.5405
      @k.t.5405 3 года назад

      @@99Boiko dont know what corner of the world you're talking about... EU = PEACE IN EUROPE....EU-ROPE!!!!:)

    •  3 года назад +1

      @@99Boiko LOL

    • @99Boiko
      @99Boiko 3 года назад +1

      ​@ From before the Schuman Declaration between France and West Germany in 1950 (whence your EU has its original inception) to five years after the Treaty of Rome (EEC), France was is the grip of a civil conflict of its own making. From 1954 onward it was full-scale war, and despite the thousands killed by the French army and their quisling loyalists among the privileged Algerians, they STILL lost, hence the reason Algeria is independent. The point is that it is an oft-overlooked fact that Algeria formed part of the Fourth French Republic when France entered the EEC. So what "peace" did the EU (having won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2012 for "six decades of peace in Europe) actually keep there?

    •  3 года назад

      @@99Boiko No one gives a shit about your ancient history bullshit in AFRICA you clueless prick.

  • @VaucluseVanguard
    @VaucluseVanguard 3 года назад

    The EEC was not a 'peace project' it was a trading block; that is how it was sold to the people of the UK. Trade reduces the chances of war, but that's the secondary purpose not a primary political aim of the EU.

    • @gloin10
      @gloin10 3 года назад +1

      The primary political aim of the people who drove the formation and development of the ECSC and EEC was making war between the member states impossible and unthinkable.
      This is something that British Europhobes and Brixiteers simply refuse to either accept or try to understand.

    • @martls6
      @martls6 3 года назад +1

      Literally says it in the Rome treaty which started the EU.

  • @mikehanafin8543
    @mikehanafin8543 3 года назад +2

    Frexit 2021

  • @Firedancer100
    @Firedancer100 3 года назад +2

    Italy will be the next to leave the EU

    • @JayJay5244
      @JayJay5244 3 года назад +5

      No it won’t be... Support for the EU has never been stronger in Italy.

    • @dugan6056
      @dugan6056 3 года назад +1

      @@JayJay5244 Not sure on your sources?? Italy are the most likely to leave if the UK is successful, as of last October!

    • @gloin10
      @gloin10 3 года назад +3

      @@dugan6056
      There is simply NO post-Brixit scenario in which the UK will be successful, unless your definition of 'Successful' is 'Smaller, poorer, and far less significant'...
      Unless you believe Jacob Rees-Mogg, in which case you might see the benefits of Brixit in about 50 years...

    • @Tonydjjokerit
      @Tonydjjokerit 3 года назад +1

      I confidently predict that Scotland will leave the UK and so will Northern Ireland and Wales too (but Wales will not leave anytime soon)!