St. Mirren vs Celtic | A Look at Potential Signings | Goodbye, Matt O’Riley
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- At the start of a busy week for Celtic, Laura, Alan and James look back at the weekend’s game against St Mirren and wonder when are we going to be tested? We take a deep dive into the team’s pressing, James benchmarks some potential new signings and we say a fond farewell to Matt O’Riley.
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First comment of the new season. This show is unique in Celtic fan media with its analysis. There is lots of good content out there but this show has its own special place. And just wait to Laura gets going. On ACSOM she always shared an opinion so I I think she is going easy on you both so far😊. Good luck for the season.
thanks John
@@RedScotland Oh no so you will be leaving us? Shame, your particularly tangy brand of sexism seems so appealing. Bye.
yeah, its uniquely garbage and non representative of what is going on on the pitch. Football is judged by the eye, not by counting passes.
40:30 - At the end of the day, any player that we sign is always going to have flaws in their game and (hopefully) potential for improvement.
If they didn't have those flaws then they'd already be playing week-in week-out at a top club in one of the top 3-4 leagues.
The questions we have to answer are:
1. Can the flaws be improved on or at least covered up by our style of play or by other players in our squad?
2. What is their real potential and can they reach their potential?
3. On the flip side of their flaws, can their good attributes be brought to the fore at Celtic?
These are extremely difficult questions to answer. Thankfully the club have some of the best analysts & scouts in the business to help us answer these tough questions..... Oh Wait!
THIS!
Interesting - could make for a good topic on a future pod!
Laura is so good at this . She knows when to listen ,she asks the right questions and when she does speak she has good insights often delivered with an amusing quip. Great stuff 🍀🇮🇪💚👏
Yes and a nice balance to the line up. And as she calls shots / questions gives a positive role for a female pundit who are often sidelined in other platforms by dominant males. I am sure that she will grow into the role and have confidence to gently tell the guys that they are waffling on too much.
Don’t listen to them Laura you’ve got a boring monotone voice and you’ve completely ruined the podcast
@@philipcassidy2202Though you are clearly guilty of gross sexism and blatant misandry you would do wonderfully well as a spokesperson for Equality and Inclusivity, my friend. 👍😁
@@rossmurphy5 shes way better than Enda, I used to fast forward him, knows nothing about football
@@rossmurphy5🤣🤣🤣
I,m new here. Great analysis, folks. Now subscribed.
Back to being your best folks, due to the 3 of you ! 👏👏👏
Great show as always lads.
As always, thanks for the insights folks.
Great show and really insightful analysis 👏
Great analysis.
Great content.
great chat guys,
a few observations,
re st m- tactical masterclass from rodgers with one eye on having no mor attack contribution. rodgers alluded to switch play in playing a back 5 defense , but there was more . hatates touch map said it all , rodgers had him playing not just his role but mor's as well on the right. brilliant.
my algorithm last season predicted celtic 4 losses 7 draws, got to nearly within 10%, the only thing that scarpered the prediction was mean error in celtics favour.
its early doors , but i will stick my neck out , this season based on early season form , there is a 75% probability that celtic will not drop any points excluding rangers , such is their dominance given where the trend line is at in net xg. against st m for instance, Celtics match day squad attack contribution was a potential 5 nil result if fully optimized. this prediction s however subject to any tactical adjustments the league makes.
the tactical arms race that ange started has definitely tilted in celtics favour , and playing 532 will not work against this celtic team . will be fascinating to see what the rest of the league does now , that 5 at the back is being comprehensively dismantled, and celtic crushing any transition risk . for me there are only two choices , get fitter and go man to man from the get go , to disrupt celtic for as long as possible , or play 6 at the back with a 6 to 4 split , dont contest midfield , and break like blue arsed flies on any celtic turnover , ala Aberdeen tactics last season and some epl sides this season playing the big 3.
that will do for today, keep up the great work guys and girls
The huge big ginormous gulf in class between us & ALL the rest of the Clubs in the SPFL, ONLY means at this precise moment in time, I just can't see us losing a League game to ANY other Team for the WHOLE season & the dropping of points in draws will ONLY be a couple or so & ALL because EVERY other Team in the SPL is extremely poor in quality beyond belief, there isn't a Coach in Scotland who comes anywhere close to out thinking and/or outmanoeuvring Rodgers in tactics and/or how they set up to counter us & last but not least, Rodgers has ditched his 100% pure Brenda Bore Ball of last season to play Ange type football & getting the early goal & then quite literally strangling the opposition to death with our possession.
ur observations are as irrelevant as the people on here.football is not played by counting passes, you people only try to make urself relevant when you have none. i could utterly destroy ur way of thinking if i could be bothered to type the required amount of words to lay waste to numerology, but i cant, so.
Edna who ? 😂 Laura you're doing a good job ,I've watched this program for years and you appear to be settling in well ☘️
Nice to see Laura join the team . Missed her on ASCOM.
was glad to c the back of her, i aways tune out when ppl like that blabbing away non sense
Any chance you could balance the levels a little? Feel like i have to turn down the volume up when alan speaks and down when Laura speaks.
JJ is perfect like baby bear's porridge.
Will keep working on this till we get it right - thanks for the feedback!
I don't know what it is but Laura seems to bring a je ne sais quoi to the show.
Watching some of the packages around Engels - I can see Stan, Victor and Thommo
Great show folks. Great to see Laura back on the scene acsom is a bit pants now tbh
@@RedScotland Yet here you are wasting time and energy making sure everyone can consume your negativity. Complex.
acsom is another one to avoid, too many hipsters and irrelevant speakers, on here its just stats ans stats mean nothing
We have signed 5 players so far, but how many can we sign, realistically so that they can integrate into our squad/system
You raise a good point about time to cohesion with new signings versus stability and consistency
The podcast that feels like an event each time a new one drops. 👏
constipation is also an event
Great show guys, i am particularly worried that Johnston is not getting a rest in the early season, when ralston could have stepped in, i'm concerned that he may get injured leading into the start of the champions league.
He got subbed off in the first two games David and were at 1 game a week so low risk at present
@@alanmorrison5981I hope it's enough, I just felt a 50 50 start between them or even give him the league cup off would have been ideal. Let's hope I'm wrong
*Oooft! On a re-read, a lot of half finished sentences, tried to fix it*
Jucco's expression when Laura said "some people say they prefer to judge by an eye test"... bwahahaha.
I was going to explain why he barely contained that laughter but he went on to explain it.
Screw it! Jucco, Alan, correct me if I'm wrong: People filter the world thru their experience and that creates cognitive biases, the ways you unconscious weight certain things over other equally pertinent data points.
These cognitive biases create logical fallacies, subjective ways to view data that prefers your unconscious preferences, that mean when they see data - the plural of anecdote weirdly inverted the the phrase 'Data is the NOT the plural of anecdote', data a group of anecdotes, actually - people interpret the observed data thru that filter that skews the results of the transformation of raw data to useful subjective info based on an objective reading of reality.
Properly collected data interpreted properly is far less error prone.
Like science, proper data analysis - I assume from listening to this channel - is designed to not fall into the heuristic (lazy and sometimes effective, sometimes not, shortcuts) pitfalls of the 'eye test' where cognitive biases warp even good data into bad info.
One of these days someone will say in that self-congratulatory tone "I prefer my eye test to these geniuses" and I begin to utter "Aw, for fu---" and I will facepalm myself soooo haaaaard, the heel of my hand will go all the way thru my skull. The only question will it be, if it happens, will it be a science thing, a politics thing, or football thing that will kill me like this? You know.... coz people have evolved to become 'stupid apes'.
I actually have to take breaks from current affairs media and I've had to completely abandon some Celtic fan media that I otherwise liked because of this. With my autism, my blood pressure cannot take it.
The Celtic board are missing a trick not getting you guys a job at the club... or at least asking to see the vids a day early. You deserve consultancy fees.
Oooft! Not sure I fancy Engels (low game IQ), Bogusz (good but panics in the box), Trusty (not great in duals) or Valle (creativity deficit) anymore after that analysis from Jucco. I guess, in our price range, getting players without ANY gaps in their game is a big ask, maybe they are the best from our limited available option.
Meh, I like you fine Laura. Sexism, am I right? HH
Hello Mark,
I agree with your comments on cognitive distortions and fallacies.
Scienctific institutions unfortunately fall prey to the stupid ape ailments, as was on full display during the pandemic. Science is about the pursuit of truth - NOT consensus. The sudden abandonment of natural immunity as a superior form of immune system conditioning was a signal, for example, that the stupid apes were up to something other than the pursuit of truth.
Sad reality is that the overwhelming majority of homo sapiens who have inhabited this planet did so under various forms of severe trauma. Surviving that reality long enough to reproduce has demanded our brains alter how we interact with reality to make it bearable.
I can assure you I’m fully aware of the biases that “eye test” evaluation brings. My purpose for mentioning it is, as I said on this pod, to establish that there are times when the stats prove the eye test objectively wrong and when they support it entirely.
It makes for fascinating conversation - thanks for the comment!
Thanks Mark. When faced with a page of data on a player i try and simplify - given what i know about how Celtic play, what are the signals of strength, weakness and meh. And then take it from there. Thanks again.
@@LauraABradburn I wasn't having a go at you Laura, I was talking about who you were referring to
@@alanmorrison5981 Yeah, I forgot to address context explicitly in my comment.
Good stuff, Laura is a wee star
Laura is a great addition to the show. Seamless..👍
u been eating too many cabbages under the water, sounds to me like a man drowning on his greens
Juco. I am assuming that Cifuentes benchmarked well before signing for Rangers as you were very positive about what he would bring in respect to pace, power and athleticism?
He profiled as active (high engine) but much lower on game intelligence- that sort of player can be useful in particular roles - high risk passing/counter pressing style like Red Bull clubs have often deployed, for example. Their recruitment class last summer was heavy on physical athleticism but low in game intelligence.
Thanks for the reply. I am therefore assuming that Celtic are attempting to find players who have a sufficient level of game intelligence AND athleticism? Difficult to know where the balance should be struck in our recruitment as we will not attract top end athleticism and top end intelligence. As discussed, even O'Riley lacks top end athleticism.
I doubt they are using this kind of heuristic- part of why I share this stuff publicly is on the outside chance someone at the club can gain awareness on the sorts of possibilities available with a more sophisticated approach to analytics. Much of what I see in the industry (not just Celtic) is 1st order thinking - i.e. player has high xA so they are 'creative.' That kind of overly basic heuristic is how players like Cifuentes get signed under misunderstood/poorly analyzed expectations, then 'stats' are blamed...lies, damned lies, etc!
sounds like all our targets are bang average 😳
Most sadly yes & how else can it be with the Recruitment / Scouting ''setup'' that we currently have & the fact too that Rodgers is quintessentially ''calling the shots'' in this transfer window & that's the very last thing we want to be happening & as so lamentably evidenced by us paying a huge big whopping £9.5 million with the add on, for little Norwich City's third choice striker that quite literally nobody else wanted & that's ALL Rodgers knows, the English market where we ONLY ever pay well over the odds & most ridiculously in Idah's case & so ALL the other names currently mentioned, Rodgers quite literally, doesn't have ANY real idea or clue what they're all about & so we get in new deadwood to replace the old deadwood.
Hi - the focus of the conversation was to explain the benchmarking methodology and to illustrate how the different contexts of club, style, league, position filled, tactical nuances applied etc all add up to make this an imprecise "science" (obviously copious amounts of watching the player and speaking to him required!). Therefore based on pure data difficult to be black/white on this. We pointed out some areas of positivity and some of concern - Celtic won't be signing Iniesta level players! None of them were, to use the Laxalt and Duffy examples again, "oh my god what are they doing!" type signings (add in Kwon). So there is that....
@@alanmorrison5981 well since we already have a squad that should win the SPL, these targets are supposed to help us get to the round of 24 in the UCL, they'd want to be somewhat good else its money wasted
@@alanmorrison5981 And of course it will ALWAYS be ''an imprecise science'' because we're dealing with human beings here & you'll remember better than me when sometime last season, Wee Enda spoke of some study that some guy had done about the success rate of transfers & no matter whether you had spent £3 million or £30 million on a player, the overall ''success rate'' was ONLY 50/50, for goodness sake or as Wee Enda put it, basically it was a case of ''tossing a coin'' whether the player you bought & regardless of price, was a ''success'' or not & even worse by Wee Enda's own calculations, we weren't even hitting a 50/50 ''success rate'' but instead were down at 37% or 38% if I remember correctly.
@@Lupi33z If Rodgers doesn't win us the League this season & by some distance too, then the most very serious of questions just MUST be asked of him & him alone & in the context of the SPL & the overall COMPLETE lack of quality provided by the other eight Clubs that just gets worse & worse with every passing game & our ''main rivals'' are in a similar position to where we were in the early 1990s & Rodgers literally has no serious or credible competition from other Coaches & so it's ONLY all about our very soon upon us eight Champions League games from September through to January & how he sets us up in these games & of course, how his new signings perform in these said eight games.
A win for mk dons also
Can we have Juco shouting at Peter Lawwell next time?
Great to see Laura again, forget about the other 2 duffers 😂
now its back to bein a 3 stoogie scenario
Laura is great and makes the podcast even better
u for real!!
Did you notice every free kick or by kick st mirren overloaded our left at times it looked like under 10s football was funny
They obviously saw exactly what Alan described! Thanks for the comment 😊
@@LauraABradburn why u even here, go away, u ruin our day bein here, go away, scram,
matt o riley carried off the pitch by brighton medical staff after 9 minutes,bad tackle by the opposition captain.
Shocking tackle and no card. I really hope it’s not serious.
Fans still freaking out