The Angel's weakness being their own weapons was hinted at when we saw Vaggie's backstory. Because she got her eye ripped out by an angelic sword showing that angels can be harmed.
Fun fact in the pilot from four years ago you can see Carmines daughters collecting Angelic weapons from the corpses of the dead. It’s part of the opening song and post extermination sequence in the beginning of the episode.
To be fair tho, it's actually really easy to be a worse person than the cannibals, Rosie is so lovely and all the cannibals live in a harmonious very close community. It's so interesting how these guys seem to be the happiest people in hell lmao
@@Robins_tea Also helps that in hell whatever parts of you are eaten will grow back, or your entire body will just respawn if you are completely eaten, so while being consumed alive /having limbs chopped off and eaten will be traumatic, the physical injury isn’t long lasting.
I love Rosie, she has such cool aunt energy! Also, that joke: Charlie: Susan? Rosie and Alastor in unison: Susan Was freaking hilarious, like just the deadpan response was perfect!
1. A lie by omission is still a lie. 2. Charlie didn't forget about her philosophy about redemption. She was just hurt and confused, and wasn't exactly in a good mental space to confront her feelings. Until auntie Rosie helped provide that as well as an unbiased perspective
Vaggie said I'm not used to fighting with long hair' and Carmilla said 'skill issue bitch' XD I really love her now. And I love that she recognizes Vaggie's potential, and tries to get her to refocus. Her secret coming out and Adam targeting the hotel just pushes Vaggie to focus on them, but it's definitely far more important for her to remember how much she loves Charlie and fight to try and help her, not fight to get rid of the angels.
Dang it, Charlie!!! You don’t agree to a deal with such vague terms. Get it in writing and get a lawyer. You’re in Hell; there’s gotta be at least a hundred within walking distance.
When she says you gotta fight for love. It just means if you're fighting for someone you care about more than anything, you're more than likely to give it your all to protect the person you love
She also brought up that angels fight like they can't be hurt, that Vaggie needs to fight with the knowledge that she is capable of losing, but that she can't afford to because she has people to protect.
I noticed that Alastor only goes to Charlie when she's emotionally vulnerable: In the pilot, he shows up after she was ridiculed and embarrassed on television, in episode 5, when she confronts her father, and in episode 7, when she's completely isolated.
Alastor: (Goes to see Charlie alone) Everyone: Alastor don't you do it... Alastor: (Holds out his hand) Everyone: Don't you do it... Alastor: (makes the deal with Charlie) Everyone: He did it....
Cannibals are just ex-theatre kids confirmed! Also, your scream at the wing reveal gave me chills- this is why I love watching your and Elijah's reactions- it's like watching with friends and I was so stoked at your astonishment!! *Edited because I used the wrong *your and was ashamed.
Charlie meant a lie of omission when she said vaggie lied. Im prettu sure charlie had asked in the past and vaggie just didn't want to share so she respected her wishes and most likely stopped asking. Some of these things is not necessary to see the flashback of even though it helps sometimes
@@Valacarseeing how the comment was made in the context of him being in a relationship, and how Rosie and Alastor seem to be on really good terms, I doubt that
20:12 She didn't forget. Immediately after, Charlie says "She knows I believe in second chances. Why wouldn't she tell me?" Charlie told her everything about herself; she's upset that Vaggie kept it secret even knowing her. The implication is Vaggie was never planning on telling Charlie even if she asked, *which she shouldn't have to.* If after 3 years of getting to know Charlie, Vaggie never felt she could share that with her, means she prioritized her own shame over her trust.
Yeah we needed much more time with these two to really sink our teeth into this issue and their relationship, the show did well considering the size of the story it tried to tell in just 8 eps but it needed way way more to let it breathe and develop properly.
@@WeeLassReacts It definitely needed more time. I really hope season 2 has at least 12 if not 16 episodes, or at least longer episodes. Like 40 minute run time.
@@WeeLassReactsNobody said there wouldn't be flashbacks like in Boss. The boss likes to tell the story in reverse, why shouldn't Hazbin? It's not about screen time, it's about the audience's memory of plot elements and characters interactions
An observation with the carmilla scene, she knew vaggie was an angel, she knew her shoes were angelic weapons, she could have actually hurt vaggie whenever she wanted, but she only tossed her around, meaning each strike was purposefully nonleathal and probably blunt, instantly giving away her actual initative despite the sudden attack seeming hostile at first. Such a neat character detail, as that's probably how she killed that other angel in the first place, by being so unpredictive that they didn't anticipate the strike
The reason people said you were wrong was because Viv had changed the lore after the pilot and didn’t say that the previous Vaggie lore was no longer cannon
@@theycallmebadagreed. They do have a throwaway line in episode 8 that confirms for the fans that the old backstory is no longer canon when Sir Pentious calls Vaggie by her original name and Vaggie says that’s not her name. Tbh I’m a little disappointed that she became an angel which contributed practically nothing to the plot. I feel like it could have but they really didn’t explore what Vaggie being an angel means at all.
And even for those who never heard of the old backstory before, those two hints are not this obvious. The crossed out eye? Well, losing an eye is possible for everybody, not just for fallen angels, especially those are just masks, so it is a hint, but not a unambiguous one. An wielding a angelic weapon: well, Camilla said it herself, she was selling those weapons. Of course, she knows that she never sold one to Veggie, but we didn't know, did we? So again: Those definitely were hints, but it's never been as obvious as it is stated here. And yes of course I'm trying to defend myself, because I'm one of those who never believed Veggie was an angel before it was revealed, so I'm just trying to convince myself I'm not thaaat stupid. Just a little bit maybe 😅😂
@@sebastianressel8007it kinda was, though. Whenever Charlie mentions defending her people, Vaggie has never once said the same. She's always said "your people," not "our people."
19:30 this is something I've been thinking might happen since we saw how she fell, because while the eye was cut out with an angelic weapon, her wings were just ripped off. If the idea is that they can only be permanently harmed with angelic weapons, like it is with demons, then it makes sense that while the eye wont come back, the wings could regenerate
7:20 I've been thinking this exact thing as well! Alastor is giving me major "final villain" energy. And think about how, in the pilot, he said "If I wanted to hurt anyone here, I would have done so already" with such absolute confidence. He has never struck me as someone who would underestimate people, which makes me suspect that he is likely much, much stronger than everyone thinks he is.
Ehhh.... the only one there he couldn't hurt is Charlie. Alastor is VERY powerful as an Overlord, perhaps even the most powerful Overlord in Hell-Zestial is the only one I'd say is probably direct competition in pure power, MAYBE Vox but doubtful?-but he is several orders of magnitude below Charlie and Lucifer in power scaling, and Adam is presumably on par with some of the Sins, or maybe the upper echelons of the Ars Goetia, being the First Man and thus the first mortal soul in Heaven. Charlie struggled against Adam because she has NO experience in using her full power or in fighting, and Adam was going 110% all-out with wanton abandon. Honestly, I hope Vaggie starts giving her sparring lessons, if for no other reason than "I would rather you never had to fight/use your power, but in case you DO...." If we're operating under the assumption that Lilith is the one holding Alastor's leash-a fan theory I'm beginning to doubt, but I'll get into that after-it follows that Lilith wouldn't want Adam dead, to keep whatever deal she had with Adam intact. That's possibly why Alastor didn't arm himself with angelic weapons on the roof; he was just buying time, but he wasn't actually expecting to be nearly killed. As for Alastor's leash, I'm beginning to suspect Sera is holding it. Lilith clearly made a deal to allow herself entry into Heaven, and whatever that deal was, it likely somehow involved Alastor. But why would Alastor need to remain in Heaven for 7 years? I suspect Lilith went to Heaven-entreating with Adam for entry, and with Sera to be allowed to stay-and Sera, upon hearing that Lucifer had become depressed and a reclusive ruler, doing nothing to actually govern Hell and leaving it to the masses and the Overlords to fall into chaos-told Lilith to bring her a worthy potential replacement for Lucifer as the Sin of Pride and ruler of Hell. Sera doesn't seem to relish the exterminations, and I suspect they are a temporary measure in her eyes; she needs someone to replace Lucifer who will take a more active role in governing/controlling Hell. So, Lilith went and grabbed Alastor-willing or not, hard to say-and brought him before Sera as a candidate. Alastor spent the intervening years in Heaven-not sure what he was doing, perhaps he was tortured or they attempted "re-education", or maybe they actually tried to give him some semblance of angelic power so he'd be an easier fit for Lucifer's replacement-until he was deemed 'ready', and then returned to Hell. Whatever the case, it's clear Alastor isn't somehow WAY more powerful than he was when he left-Vox seems disheartened by his broadcast being overpowered by Alastor, but not surprised-and Alastor's deal is to find a way to supplant Lucifer and rule Hell as a puppet of Heaven(imagine the scandal if Sera essentially gave Alastor a "line of credit" on souls from Heaven to keep him powerful/competitive with the other Overlords. Surely Sera being deposed or stripped of her title/powers would free Alastor?). Alastor intends to find a way to break his deal and be the one "pulling all the strings", perhaps ruling Hell without Heaven's interference. Maybe Lilith's return to Hell somehow results in Lucifer abdicating the throne entirely, leaving Charlie to inherit it, and Alastor's "favor" is to ask to be given the role Sin of Pride, and he then essentially uses Charlie as HIS puppet. His deal with Sera would be void; Lucifer can no longer be replaced as Ruler of Hell, and as the Sin of Pride, Alastor would be second in power only to Charlie herself as the new Queen of Hell. Alternatively, Alastor invokes the favor and tells Charlie to name him King of Hell instead of inheriting the throne herself. I imagine if she FAILS to uphold her end, then Alastor can invoke the deal and claim her soul; breaking deals in Hell has to be some serious consequences. Of course, this avenue doesn't free Alastor from his leash, unless he frees himself before invoking his deal with Charlie.
Rosie and Alastor are basically Charlie's Aunt and uncle ant this point, and I love it. I love Rosie, she's so much more chill than I thought she'd be. Who would've thought the overlord of the cannibals would make such a good relationship therapist? Cannibal Town is a lot more pleasant than I thought. With the perfect level of theatricsfor Charlie. I love all of it. Also, "Out For Love" is such a bop, I lose it every time Vaggie gets her wings back.
Did anyone else think she was about to mention Elijah when she said ‘my precious girl’? I loved her take on the wings being torn but you can still find a way to reconnect to yours because even if people suck, you can fight back and rise above.
I’m quietly theorizing that it’s not Lilith that owns Alastor, it’s Eve. She’s barely been mentioned beyond the opening tale and she is, after all, the original sinner.
I think the thing about Vaggies origin is that she “lied” to Charlie about how/why she was in hell (like when Charlie found her, vaggie probably didn’t tell her the truth about how she wound up there), but “never told” Charlie in the sense that vaggie never explicitly said that she was an angel
That is deceptive wording right there. "Where YOU harm no one." I am calling it, Alistor will ask Charlie to abdicate her throne once she takes over as ruler of hell.
ATleast alastor didnt ask for her soul he only wants her to help him once and he did promise not to use her to kill anyone so yh he just wants Charlie to free him probably also in the cannibal song alastor did say he wants to guide her to be stronger cause when Charlie does becomes queen alastor can be like her left hand while vaggie as her right hand making alastor have more authority in hell
In fairness! Vaggie's original backstory had her first death being to suicide, with the implication seeming to be that she was only in Hell because of that whole "mortal sin" crap. At which point, her having some sort of symbolic injury, and getting her hands on an angelic spear from one of the arms dealers is easy enough to brush off. =/ But congrats on calling it!
5:30 Lying by omission still exists too, so that's possible too 7:29 I thought maybe it was that he got the power _through_ the deal or 9:17 It also has a double meaning. 12:27 the ear-flattening YO 21:29 and then you pause on his face (like Mathew Mckenna did after pausing to say he doesn't know their relationship but loves their dynamic)
I knew as soon as episode 3 that Carmilla was gonna be one of my favorite and damn, does this episode delivered on that promise. I really like her friendship with Zestial, they don't look they are trying to get information out of each other for their own gain, but rather are really concerned about one another. And now we see her fighting style is a dance. there really is something with characters who are super caring with their loved one, but will absolutetly destroy anyone who tries to mess with them and who fights by dancing.... hi Urbosa in the background. I didn't forget you.
The fact that Lute tore her wings off instead of cutting them off left the possiblity of her wings coming back We love Carmilla and Rosie helping and advising the girls!
I'm pretty sure it's only because of his deal with Lilith that Alastor was powerful enough to take out the other overlords in the first place, not the other way around
Alastor manifested powerful AF from the get-go, long before he and Lilith disappeared. Since he practiced VooDoo while alive, and there's an unrevealed character named Roo (the Root of All Evil). A deal with Lilith seems way too obvious. If Roo really is the RoAE, then it's possible Alastor wagered his soul for more power, and lost.
That interaction between Alastor and Rosie is a good reminder that during Alastors lifetime being aroace wasn’t really understood. Unlike Rosie it’s highly plausible Alastor never really learned more about it in hell since he shuns modernization so much apart from a few phrases he could easily have picked up from people like Rosie or Vox.
Carmilla: Just lets down her hair Mosco: "She's changed, has she become more of her demon form right now? I have noticed the legs, and outfit have changed" sry i dont mean to poke fun this just cracked me up x3
I can't believe I didn't figure out until just now that the title and the whole episode is a reference to Hello, Dolly. I was in that show just a few years ago. I feel ashamed! This episode just got so much more cool!
Looking back, it now makes sense that Carmilla uses & sells angelic weapons since Stella gave Striker a Carmine-Crafted angelic rifle in episode 5 of Helluva Boss I’m guessing that she sells angelic weapons to wealthier clients like the Deadly Sins, Overlords, or the Goetias.
Call me paranoid, but "you harm no one" is not the same as "no one will be harmed." All Alastor's promised is that Charlie, herself, wouldn't hurt anyone when he calls his favor in.
Okay, most of the Overlords we met seem really nice. Carmilla, Zestial, Husk, now Rosie... Was Alastor targing only the evil ones? Of all the Overlords left, only the Vs seem awfull and they rose to power during Alastors disappearance. So, is Alastor trying to make hell a better place? It's so hard getting a read of him, whenever I think I figured him out, he does something that breaks my conclusions...
Well, Alastor's been described as a Hannibal Lecter-like serial killer when he was alive. He chose his targets according to some sort of moral system of his. He didn't just go after random people, they were people who, in his eyes, deserved death. Since we don't know much else, there's no way to really know for sure. But you could be on to something. I hope so, anyway. He's my favorite character, I really don't want him to be the main bad guy ^^;
Okay, WHAT IF, tin foil hat, the theory of Lilith forcing a contract between her and Alastor, WHAT IF it’s because he spent those 7 years outright REFUSING to sign whatever contract his owner wanted, and spent those 7 years in some dungeon or whatever, either wasting away, being tortured, which explains his ability to go from what’s underneath(reference to episode 8 where he goes a little nuts over NEEDING a way out, wanting freedom so badly), to what we know and love as his always smiling, cool and collected demeanor. Or, double tin foil sad hat, was an Angel Dust and Valentino type situation, which would explain more than anyone would like to admit. Again, it’s probably not any of that, but the theory that it took 7 years, only for him to immediately choose to go to the Hazbin Hotel once he’s out when he had no reason to based on his radio broadcasting screams days. The 7 years would be easily explained if he was imprisoned, it feels like a better explanation than “he was busy doing something mysterious”
I looked at the predictions.. and honestly. You are so on point that im calling it (as a joke) a pre watch or you worked on the show in secret from the fans
I saw someone else comment it on a different reaction, but I think it's an observation that's worth repeating: I like how when Vaggie says she's not used to fighting with long hair, Carmela lets her own hair down as if to say "that's no excuse". I don't think the song "out for love" was saying that fighting to protect somebody is part of how you kill an angel, I'm pretty sure that was just her saying "even with the right weapon, if you're not fighting like the people you love depend on it, you're not gonna be fighting good enough to manage to get a killing blow on an angel". I agree with what other commenters have explained: a lie by omission is still a lie, and Charlie didn't forget her core principle of redemption, she was just experiencing normal emotions for the situation she was in, and emotions are not, and never will be, flawless bastions of logic.
Lying can also be a lie of omission, any place where Vaggie wanted to or could've naturally mentioned being an angel she didn't. Aw man you didn't keep Charlie snapping at Susan 😢.
Carmine is also here addressing a flaw in Vaggie's fighting style. Vaggie fights like an angel, fights with hate, and that's going to get her killed. Having a reason to live, and fueling your fight with a fear of loss, that will push Vaggie to be more evasive and persistent, which will give her an edge over the other angels. Having something to protect isn't necessary to kill angels, it's helpful for living through the fight.
I really like the cannibals for some reason? Like especially Rosie and her design, from the blank, black eyes, to the shiny sharp teeth. They’re cannibals but yet they’re the most civilized people in hell lol
Why didn’t Vaggie’s wings grew back sooner Well I theorized that unlike her eye Lute didn’t cut them of with her angelic sword meaning they could’ve grown back at anytime, if her heart wasn’t full of anger and hatred it wasn’t until she truly fully embraced love over hate that she was able to regain her wings But that’s just my theory
14:05 😂😂😂 Wee Lass Reacts omfg I’m howling laughing 😂😂😂😂 so hard my Asthma has kicked in & my dog is looking at me very confused/ concerned 😂😂😂😂😂 I can say we Irish & the Scott’s seem to have a very similar sense of humour 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oh damn! I just had a big brain prediction: Angel finds a way out of his deal with Valentino and this clues Alastor in to a way to get out of whatever deal he's in and he uses Charlie's favor for it!
#ps Charlie's Canon age is 200 #Theory Charlie wasn't first children of Lilith and Lucifer but they all born death. LadySygerrik Some stories of Lilith have her cursed with the inability to have children, with all of hers being either born dead or dying shortly after being born. It could be Charlie isn't their first child, just the first one to survive. Valentino simp If we learned anything from Helluva Boss, it's that Viv love morbid backstories soooo
Charlie and Vaggie spending time apart over the whole reveal thing was a given, but I like that we got some teaching moments out of it. Both Rosie and Carmilla seemed like the perfect mentors to connect with them, help them become more in-tune with their own feelings, and help repair the cracks in their relationship in their own ways
everyone thinks its Lilith that Alastor made a deal with but I think thats a misdirect and his deal was made with someone else. maybe Eve or someone we've yet to see.
Lying by omission is still lying. Just because Vaggie didn't ever say she was a fallen angel doesn't mean she didn't lie. She did lie. By not being completely up front. Also, Charlie is allowed to be hurt, still. Even the most understanding and saint of a person would be hurt if they found out their significant other was once an enemy/working for the enemy.
I believe Alastor is waiting until Charlie becomes the new ruler of hell to cash in the favor she owes him, having her break his soul contract and allowing him to freely use his full power. He will then be the one pulling all the strings
It finally clicked for me that Hazbin Hotel is basically a mirror-image of Steven Universe. SU is presented as lighthearted comedic fun, but has a serious undertone. HH is presented as an irreverant dark comedy, but has softer and heartfelt moments! SU is 90% filler. HH is 0% filler; jarringly so. And both are musicals!
I love Rosie! She reminds me of that aunt or family friend that gives you a loving but firm kick up the arse when you need the push to make big changes in your life ❤
Alastor swooping in at charlies weakest moment to coerce her into that deal is just that perfect scheming i expected from him. Lay back, watch, wait for your moment and strike.
Does no one notice how when Alastor says “she’s filled with potential that I could guide” Rosie pulled him back, she grabs his shirt and pulls him back from that protecting Alastor and Charlie!?!?!?
The Angel's weakness being their own weapons was hinted at when we saw Vaggie's backstory. Because she got her eye ripped out by an angelic sword showing that angels can be harmed.
Yeah, and I think this whole time, Vaggie has just assumed it was the angel, not the weapon, that made that possible.
I mean the weapons cleanse souls from any plain, angels also have souls. I thought it was a no brainer.
oh gods... yeah ?! how did we not realised that ?!? I sure didn't, I feel djumb af rn
@@KBRoller Agreed, since Adam is super powerful, it makes sense to assume Lute also is as his lieutenant
@@Spyko- I didn't realize it until this episode
Fun fact in the pilot from four years ago you can see Carmines daughters collecting Angelic weapons from the corpses of the dead. It’s part of the opening song and post extermination sequence in the beginning of the episode.
Rosie is a cannibal and is still a better person than Valentino. That’s the low bar you can hit where you are worst than a bloody cannibal.
To be fair tho, it's actually really easy to be a worse person than the cannibals, Rosie is so lovely and all the cannibals live in a harmonious very close community. It's so interesting how these guys seem to be the happiest people in hell lmao
@@Robins_tea Also helps that in hell whatever parts of you are eaten will grow back, or your entire body will just respawn if you are completely eaten, so while being consumed alive /having limbs chopped off and eaten will be traumatic, the physical injury isn’t long lasting.
I love Rosie, she has such cool aunt energy! Also, that joke:
Charlie: Susan?
Rosie and Alastor in unison: Susan
Was freaking hilarious, like just the deadpan response was perfect!
Though they couldn't probably name her Karen.. because that would fit too much 🤣
@@Moonchild0 Yeah that probably would have been too on the nose. It would fit though 😂
This joke is based on timing only. Just the timing of a conversation can make it hilarious.
1. A lie by omission is still a lie.
2. Charlie didn't forget about her philosophy about redemption. She was just hurt and confused, and wasn't exactly in a good mental space to confront her feelings.
Until auntie Rosie helped provide that as well as an unbiased perspective
THANK YOU! Glad someone said it
Charlie to Can-nibal Town: "im going to free your people"
*no reaction*
Alistor: "also free food"
*everybody cheers*
Fax tho
As Napoleon said, "An army travels on its stomach."
Vaggie said I'm not used to fighting with long hair' and Carmilla said 'skill issue bitch' XD I really love her now. And I love that she recognizes Vaggie's potential, and tries to get her to refocus. Her secret coming out and Adam targeting the hotel just pushes Vaggie to focus on them, but it's definitely far more important for her to remember how much she loves Charlie and fight to try and help her, not fight to get rid of the angels.
Dang it, Charlie!!! You don’t agree to a deal with such vague terms. Get it in writing and get a lawyer. You’re in Hell; there’s gotta be at least a hundred within walking distance.
Okay, maybe if she was in a stable emotional state and not desperate
Like, probably not a lot of public defenders, but plenty of divorce lawyers and State attorneys, one would assume.
Not even walking she could throw a rock and hit like 5 in one go
Not that simple. Good lawyers go to heaven. Bad lawyers go to hell. The best lawyers talk their way out of hell and right up to heaven.
What happened to your father’s “you don’t take shit from other demons” advice? From Lucifer himself?
When she says you gotta fight for love. It just means if you're fighting for someone you care about more than anything, you're more than likely to give it your all to protect the person you love
She also brought up that angels fight like they can't be hurt, that Vaggie needs to fight with the knowledge that she is capable of losing, but that she can't afford to because she has people to protect.
@SilverGallowglass also true
"Alastor, no!" [Spray bottle]
Why does no translate to come on?
I noticed that Alastor only goes to Charlie when she's emotionally vulnerable: In the pilot, he shows up after she was ridiculed and embarrassed on television, in episode 5, when she confronts her father, and in episode 7, when she's completely isolated.
Alastor: (Goes to see Charlie alone)
Everyone: Alastor don't you do it...
Alastor: (Holds out his hand)
Everyone: Don't you do it...
Alastor: (makes the deal with Charlie)
Everyone: He did it....
I love how the moment Vaggie uses her hair as an excuse Carmilla lets her own hair down, its an awesome detail that so few people notice.
Cannibals are just ex-theatre kids confirmed! Also, your scream at the wing reveal gave me chills- this is why I love watching your and Elijah's reactions- it's like watching with friends and I was so stoked at your astonishment!! *Edited because I used the wrong *your and was ashamed.
Clearly they grew up to become cannibals because they were so used to eating up attention and chewing on the scenery!
I've seen at least one fan describe both Viziepop series as being made by, and for, ex-theater kids. I mean just look at Charlie's clapping game.
@@Tom-mb2ji as an ex-theatre kid myself, I just assumed that's how everyone gets to know each other 👏👏🤣
Cannibals do be loving the arts
Charlie meant a lie of omission when she said vaggie lied. Im prettu sure charlie had asked in the past and vaggie just didn't want to share so she respected her wishes and most likely stopped asking. Some of these things is not necessary to see the flashback of even though it helps sometimes
The implication that Rosie knows that Alastor is asexual but Alastor doesn’t 😅
Morgan Terry is going to scream in happiness at that part.
To be fair I am pretty sure the term did not exist when he was alive
@@ThatGUY666666Not sure it did when Rosie was alive either.
I am pretty sure the Ace in the hole comment was saying how everyone knows he is an A-hole.
@@Valacarseeing how the comment was made in the context of him being in a relationship, and how Rosie and Alastor seem to be on really good terms, I doubt that
The “lying” Charlie is referring to is probably lying by omission
I'd still liked to have seen an example of it, there was a lot of stuff the show didn't show us and just told us, which would have been good to see
@@WeeLassReacts fair enough…but that’s what happens when you you’ve only got eight episodes in a season
@@WorldWeave 8 episodes less than 30 minutes in length each. It's a double whammy.
@@WorldWeave True but I blame more the company than anyone but I hope they change that with the critics of being a short season
It could also be lying about her life before hell maybe just saying enough or changing the context of her life as an angel to pass as a sinner
20:12 She didn't forget. Immediately after, Charlie says "She knows I believe in second chances. Why wouldn't she tell me?" Charlie told her everything about herself; she's upset that Vaggie kept it secret even knowing her. The implication is Vaggie was never planning on telling Charlie even if she asked, *which she shouldn't have to.* If after 3 years of getting to know Charlie, Vaggie never felt she could share that with her, means she prioritized her own shame over her trust.
Yeah we needed much more time with these two to really sink our teeth into this issue and their relationship, the show did well considering the size of the story it tried to tell in just 8 eps but it needed way way more to let it breathe and develop properly.
@@WeeLassReacts It definitely needed more time. I really hope season 2 has at least 12 if not 16 episodes, or at least longer episodes. Like 40 minute run time.
@@WeeLassReactsNobody said there wouldn't be flashbacks like in Boss. The boss likes to tell the story in reverse, why shouldn't Hazbin? It's not about screen time, it's about the audience's memory of plot elements and characters interactions
An observation with the carmilla scene, she knew vaggie was an angel, she knew her shoes were angelic weapons, she could have actually hurt vaggie whenever she wanted, but she only tossed her around, meaning each strike was purposefully nonleathal and probably blunt, instantly giving away her actual initative despite the sudden attack seeming hostile at first. Such a neat character detail, as that's probably how she killed that other angel in the first place, by being so unpredictive that they didn't anticipate the strike
The reason people said you were wrong was because Viv had changed the lore after the pilot and didn’t say that the previous Vaggie lore was no longer cannon
I wasn't even aware she did that. Had I known then I wouldn't have been a denier.
@@theycallmebadagreed. They do have a throwaway line in episode 8 that confirms for the fans that the old backstory is no longer canon when Sir Pentious calls Vaggie by her original name and Vaggie says that’s not her name.
Tbh I’m a little disappointed that she became an angel which contributed practically nothing to the plot. I feel like it could have but they really didn’t explore what Vaggie being an angel means at all.
And even for those who never heard of the old backstory before, those two hints are not this obvious. The crossed out eye? Well, losing an eye is possible for everybody, not just for fallen angels, especially those are just masks, so it is a hint, but not a unambiguous one. An wielding a angelic weapon: well, Camilla said it herself, she was selling those weapons. Of course, she knows that she never sold one to Veggie, but we didn't know, did we? So again: Those definitely were hints, but it's never been as obvious as it is stated here.
And yes of course I'm trying to defend myself, because I'm one of those who never believed Veggie was an angel before it was revealed, so I'm just trying to convince myself I'm not thaaat stupid. Just a little bit maybe 😅😂
@@sebastianressel8007it kinda was, though. Whenever Charlie mentions defending her people, Vaggie has never once said the same. She's always said "your people," not "our people."
@@lazy_gamer5263 Fair point. 😅 But it's not one of the arguments, Carmite made.
19:30 this is something I've been thinking might happen since we saw how she fell, because while the eye was cut out with an angelic weapon, her wings were just ripped off. If the idea is that they can only be permanently harmed with angelic weapons, like it is with demons, then it makes sense that while the eye wont come back, the wings could regenerate
Can we all agree Vaggy’s new wings are gorgeous? Also, be ready, best outfits yet show up next episode (some even get Multiple amazing outfits!!)
2:26-2:33 You...were shockingly close to predicting that scene in episode 8
18:34 YES. The power of love got her wings back lol-
7:20 I've been thinking this exact thing as well! Alastor is giving me major "final villain" energy. And think about how, in the pilot, he said "If I wanted to hurt anyone here, I would have done so already" with such absolute confidence. He has never struck me as someone who would underestimate people, which makes me suspect that he is likely much, much stronger than everyone thinks he is.
And yet he underestimated Adam.
His arrogance was and will be again his downfall.
Ehhh.... the only one there he couldn't hurt is Charlie.
Alastor is VERY powerful as an Overlord, perhaps even the most powerful Overlord in Hell-Zestial is the only one I'd say is probably direct competition in pure power, MAYBE Vox but doubtful?-but he is several orders of magnitude below Charlie and Lucifer in power scaling, and Adam is presumably on par with some of the Sins, or maybe the upper echelons of the Ars Goetia, being the First Man and thus the first mortal soul in Heaven.
Charlie struggled against Adam because she has NO experience in using her full power or in fighting, and Adam was going 110% all-out with wanton abandon. Honestly, I hope Vaggie starts giving her sparring lessons, if for no other reason than "I would rather you never had to fight/use your power, but in case you DO...."
If we're operating under the assumption that Lilith is the one holding Alastor's leash-a fan theory I'm beginning to doubt, but I'll get into that after-it follows that Lilith wouldn't want Adam dead, to keep whatever deal she had with Adam intact. That's possibly why Alastor didn't arm himself with angelic weapons on the roof; he was just buying time, but he wasn't actually expecting to be nearly killed.
As for Alastor's leash, I'm beginning to suspect Sera is holding it. Lilith clearly made a deal to allow herself entry into Heaven, and whatever that deal was, it likely somehow involved Alastor. But why would Alastor need to remain in Heaven for 7 years?
I suspect Lilith went to Heaven-entreating with Adam for entry, and with Sera to be allowed to stay-and Sera, upon hearing that Lucifer had become depressed and a reclusive ruler, doing nothing to actually govern Hell and leaving it to the masses and the Overlords to fall into chaos-told Lilith to bring her a worthy potential replacement for Lucifer as the Sin of Pride and ruler of Hell. Sera doesn't seem to relish the exterminations, and I suspect they are a temporary measure in her eyes; she needs someone to replace Lucifer who will take a more active role in governing/controlling Hell. So, Lilith went and grabbed Alastor-willing or not, hard to say-and brought him before Sera as a candidate.
Alastor spent the intervening years in Heaven-not sure what he was doing, perhaps he was tortured or they attempted "re-education", or maybe they actually tried to give him some semblance of angelic power so he'd be an easier fit for Lucifer's replacement-until he was deemed 'ready', and then returned to Hell. Whatever the case, it's clear Alastor isn't somehow WAY more powerful than he was when he left-Vox seems disheartened by his broadcast being overpowered by Alastor, but not surprised-and Alastor's deal is to find a way to supplant Lucifer and rule Hell as a puppet of Heaven(imagine the scandal if Sera essentially gave Alastor a "line of credit" on souls from Heaven to keep him powerful/competitive with the other Overlords. Surely Sera being deposed or stripped of her title/powers would free Alastor?). Alastor intends to find a way to break his deal and be the one "pulling all the strings", perhaps ruling Hell without Heaven's interference.
Maybe Lilith's return to Hell somehow results in Lucifer abdicating the throne entirely, leaving Charlie to inherit it, and Alastor's "favor" is to ask to be given the role Sin of Pride, and he then essentially uses Charlie as HIS puppet. His deal with Sera would be void; Lucifer can no longer be replaced as Ruler of Hell, and as the Sin of Pride, Alastor would be second in power only to Charlie herself as the new Queen of Hell.
Alternatively, Alastor invokes the favor and tells Charlie to name him King of Hell instead of inheriting the throne herself. I imagine if she FAILS to uphold her end, then Alastor can invoke the deal and claim her soul; breaking deals in Hell has to be some serious consequences. Of course, this avenue doesn't free Alastor from his leash, unless he frees himself before invoking his deal with Charlie.
Yeah after seeing the finale I think the vs and lilith will be s2 antagonists but alastor will be s3 or after
@@oceanapearl3503it is heavily implied that his deal, whomever it was made with, limits his power
Uncle Serial Killer and Auntie Cannibal
Found family at its peek
Rosie and Alastor are basically Charlie's Aunt and uncle ant this point, and I love it. I love Rosie, she's so much more chill than I thought she'd be. Who would've thought the overlord of the cannibals would make such a good relationship therapist? Cannibal Town is a lot more pleasant than I thought. With the perfect level of theatricsfor Charlie. I love all of it. Also, "Out For Love" is such a bop, I lose it every time Vaggie gets her wings back.
You put the same comment under every video my guy
@@eow4317pretty sure thats not so
Nah, their dynamic was straight up giving me 1930s parental vibes.
Damn right@@eow4317
Short of… like Eda and Lilly… you would be hard pressed to find a cooler adoptive aunt haha
Did anyone else think she was about to mention Elijah when she said ‘my precious girl’? I loved her take on the wings being torn but you can still find a way to reconnect to yours because even if people suck, you can fight back and rise above.
YES
I’m quietly theorizing that it’s not Lilith that owns Alastor, it’s Eve. She’s barely been mentioned beyond the opening tale and she is, after all, the original sinner.
Love this theory!
Hair-down Carmilla did things to me. Just... yes.
Rosie is such a dear!
I cant wait for your reaction to the ep 8 tho 😮
I think Charlie was just caught up in the moment and the shock its not uncommon for people to forget their principles.
Its very easy to with such emotional pain. It happens to everyone.
I think the thing about Vaggies origin is that she “lied” to Charlie about how/why she was in hell (like when Charlie found her, vaggie probably didn’t tell her the truth about how she wound up there), but “never told” Charlie in the sense that vaggie never explicitly said that she was an angel
When you watch episode 8, your gonna be shocked
2:30 PERFECT BULLSEYE
13:20"boo bring rosie back, Susan? Susan -_-"
Rosie is like that cool auntie
That is deceptive wording right there. "Where YOU harm no one." I am calling it, Alistor will ask Charlie to abdicate her throne once she takes over as ruler of hell.
either that or he'll ask her to release him from his contract. there are a number of things he could use the deal for
Could even force her to not come to someone's aid when they need her intervention ("Where you harm no one!")
@@Zombiewithabowtie Right! “All evil needs to win is for a good man to do nothing “. I do wish this concept was used in more stories!
@@Kayta-LindaQue DBZ:A Android 16’s speech to Gohan about being a coward(pacifist). But this time Charlie is forced to stand by and do nothing.
Charlie giving a prepared head to Vaggie as a souvenir from Cannibal City. I love the fact that they bridged that gap between them. ❤️💜
ATleast alastor didnt ask for her soul he only wants her to help him once and he did promise not to use her to kill anyone so yh he just wants Charlie to free him probably
also in the cannibal song alastor did say he wants to guide her to be stronger cause when Charlie does becomes queen alastor can be like her left hand while vaggie as her right hand making alastor have more authority in hell
Did anyone notice that when Rosie spun Alastor around he made a squeak sound? It’s small little sound but it’s there.
In fairness! Vaggie's original backstory had her first death being to suicide, with the implication seeming to be that she was only in Hell because of that whole "mortal sin" crap. At which point, her having some sort of symbolic injury, and getting her hands on an angelic spear from one of the arms dealers is easy enough to brush off. =/ But congrats on calling it!
So fun little tidbit is in the pilot when Alistor dresses everyone up for his song he dresses Vaggie up as Susan.
5:30 Lying by omission still exists too, so that's possible too
7:29 I thought maybe it was that he got the power _through_ the deal or
9:17 It also has a double meaning.
12:27 the ear-flattening YO
21:29 and then you pause on his face (like Mathew Mckenna did after pausing to say he doesn't know their relationship but loves their dynamic)
Well, that Lilith and Eve are Sisters isn't a Theory as much as logic, given that both where created by the same entity.
Finally someone who notices how cool it was when carmilla goes downstairs usieng the wall
I knew as soon as episode 3 that Carmilla was gonna be one of my favorite and damn, does this episode delivered on that promise. I really like her friendship with Zestial, they don't look they are trying to get information out of each other for their own gain, but rather are really concerned about one another. And now we see her fighting style is a dance. there really is something with characters who are super caring with their loved one, but will absolutetly destroy anyone who tries to mess with them and who fights by dancing.... hi Urbosa in the background. I didn't forget you.
The fact that Lute tore her wings off instead of cutting them off left the possiblity of her wings coming back
We love Carmilla and Rosie helping and advising the girls!
I'm pretty sure it's only because of his deal with Lilith that Alastor was powerful enough to take out the other overlords in the first place, not the other way around
Alastor manifested powerful AF from the get-go, long before he and Lilith disappeared. Since he practiced VooDoo while alive, and there's an unrevealed character named Roo (the Root of All Evil). A deal with Lilith seems way too obvious. If Roo really is the RoAE, then it's possible Alastor wagered his soul for more power, and lost.
That interaction between Alastor and Rosie is a good reminder that during Alastors lifetime being aroace wasn’t really understood. Unlike Rosie it’s highly plausible Alastor never really learned more about it in hell since he shuns modernization so much apart from a few phrases he could easily have picked up from people like Rosie or Vox.
Carmilla: Just lets down her hair
Mosco: "She's changed, has she become more of her demon form right now? I have noticed the legs, and outfit have changed"
sry i dont mean to poke fun this just cracked me up x3
5:29
Even if Vaggie never told her a direct lie about her origin... A lie of omission is still a lie.
im ready, im ready, re-re-re--ready!
I can't believe I didn't figure out until just now that the title and the whole episode is a reference to Hello, Dolly. I was in that show just a few years ago. I feel ashamed! This episode just got so much more cool!
Before ep 8: Alastor NO-
After ep 8: ALASTOR YES!
ALASTOR ALWAYS YES!!
"... Miss Understanding."
Charlie, stop hanging out with Adora.
Looking back, it now makes sense that Carmilla uses & sells angelic weapons since Stella gave Striker a Carmine-Crafted angelic rifle in episode 5 of Helluva Boss
I’m guessing that she sells angelic weapons to wealthier clients like the Deadly Sins, Overlords, or the Goetias.
Call me paranoid, but "you harm no one" is not the same as "no one will be harmed."
All Alastor's promised is that Charlie, herself, wouldn't hurt anyone when he calls his favor in.
Okay, most of the Overlords we met seem really nice. Carmilla, Zestial, Husk, now Rosie... Was Alastor targing only the evil ones? Of all the Overlords left, only the Vs seem awfull and they rose to power during Alastors disappearance. So, is Alastor trying to make hell a better place? It's so hard getting a read of him, whenever I think I figured him out, he does something that breaks my conclusions...
Well, Alastor's been described as a Hannibal Lecter-like serial killer when he was alive. He chose his targets according to some sort of moral system of his. He didn't just go after random people, they were people who, in his eyes, deserved death. Since we don't know much else, there's no way to really know for sure. But you could be on to something. I hope so, anyway. He's my favorite character, I really don't want him to be the main bad guy ^^;
He's unpredictable, which makes him that much more dangerous
Okay, WHAT IF, tin foil hat, the theory of Lilith forcing a contract between her and Alastor, WHAT IF it’s because he spent those 7 years outright REFUSING to sign whatever contract his owner wanted, and spent those 7 years in some dungeon or whatever, either wasting away, being tortured, which explains his ability to go from what’s underneath(reference to episode 8 where he goes a little nuts over NEEDING a way out, wanting freedom so badly), to what we know and love as his always smiling, cool and collected demeanor. Or, double tin foil sad hat, was an Angel Dust and Valentino type situation, which would explain more than anyone would like to admit.
Again, it’s probably not any of that, but the theory that it took 7 years, only for him to immediately choose to go to the Hazbin Hotel once he’s out when he had no reason to based on his radio broadcasting screams days. The 7 years would be easily explained if he was imprisoned, it feels like a better explanation than “he was busy doing something mysterious”
I looked at the predictions.. and honestly. You are so on point that im calling it (as a joke) a pre watch or you worked on the show in secret from the fans
Nah you're missing the patreon version where I cut out 15 extra mins of wrong predictions 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@WeeLassReacts ah. Patreons most be enjoying those minutes of laughing at the predictions that they know aren't true
I saw someone else comment it on a different reaction, but I think it's an observation that's worth repeating: I like how when Vaggie says she's not used to fighting with long hair, Carmela lets her own hair down as if to say "that's no excuse".
I don't think the song "out for love" was saying that fighting to protect somebody is part of how you kill an angel, I'm pretty sure that was just her saying "even with the right weapon, if you're not fighting like the people you love depend on it, you're not gonna be fighting good enough to manage to get a killing blow on an angel".
I agree with what other commenters have explained: a lie by omission is still a lie, and Charlie didn't forget her core principle of redemption, she was just experiencing normal emotions for the situation she was in, and emotions are not, and never will be, flawless bastions of logic.
I want you and Elijah to watch the finale together.
Lying can also be a lie of omission, any place where Vaggie wanted to or could've naturally mentioned being an angel she didn't. Aw man you didn't keep Charlie snapping at Susan 😢.
13:48 I NEVER EXPECTED THAT TO COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH IM SHOCKED I LITERALLY GASPED
Did you notice that Charlie has little hooves?
Carmine is also here addressing a flaw in Vaggie's fighting style. Vaggie fights like an angel, fights with hate, and that's going to get her killed. Having a reason to live, and fueling your fight with a fear of loss, that will push Vaggie to be more evasive and persistent, which will give her an edge over the other angels.
Having something to protect isn't necessary to kill angels, it's helpful for living through the fight.
Anyone else get strong Hello Dolly vibes from Rosie? She looks, talks, and acts like Dolly Levi and I love it.
I really like the cannibals for some reason? Like especially Rosie and her design, from the blank, black eyes, to the shiny sharp teeth. They’re cannibals but yet they’re the most civilized people in hell lol
Why didn’t Vaggie’s wings grew back sooner
Well I theorized that unlike her eye Lute didn’t cut them of with her angelic sword meaning they could’ve grown back at anytime, if her heart wasn’t full of anger and hatred it wasn’t until she truly fully embraced love over hate that she was able to regain her wings
But that’s just my theory
14:05 😂😂😂 Wee Lass Reacts omfg I’m howling laughing 😂😂😂😂 so hard my Asthma has kicked in & my dog is looking at me very confused/ concerned 😂😂😂😂😂 I can say we Irish & the Scott’s seem to have a very similar sense of humour 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Love that your predictions for Angel are EXACTLY what happens to Pentious
Carmilla is such a mommy, especially with her hair down
Oh damn! I just had a big brain prediction: Angel finds a way out of his deal with Valentino and this clues Alastor in to a way to get out of whatever deal he's in and he uses Charlie's favor for it!
I cried multiple time during the next epeisode
#ps Charlie's Canon age is 200
#Theory
Charlie wasn't first children of Lilith and Lucifer but they all born death.
LadySygerrik
Some stories of Lilith have her cursed with the inability to have children, with all of hers being either born dead or dying shortly after being born. It could be Charlie isn't their first child, just the first one to survive.
Valentino simp
If we learned anything from Helluva Boss, it's that Viv love morbid backstories soooo
Came here from morgans channel, not even 5 minutes in and im going to have to watch every reaction video lol
Charlie and Vaggie spending time apart over the whole reveal thing was a given, but I like that we got some teaching moments out of it. Both Rosie and Carmilla seemed like the perfect mentors to connect with them, help them become more in-tune with their own feelings, and help repair the cracks in their relationship in their own ways
Listening to predictions after watching both episodes: Nervous laughter intensifies.
Girl you are in for a ride.
everyone thinks its Lilith that Alastor made a deal with but I think thats a misdirect and his deal was made with someone else. maybe Eve or someone we've yet to see.
I've thought either Eve or maybe Roo
THE FINALE OH MY GOD, you are not ready I was not ready no one was ready cuz OH MY GOD
Lying by omission is still lying. Just because Vaggie didn't ever say she was a fallen angel doesn't mean she didn't lie. She did lie. By not being completely up front. Also, Charlie is allowed to be hurt, still. Even the most understanding and saint of a person would be hurt if they found out their significant other was once an enemy/working for the enemy.
She looks different because she let her hair down to prove to Vaggie that long hair wasn't the issue
I believe Alastor is waiting until Charlie becomes the new ruler of hell to cash in the favor she owes him, having her break his soul contract and allowing him to freely use his full power. He will then be the one pulling all the strings
I LOVE THAT SMM
ROSIE!!! 🤗
It finally clicked for me that Hazbin Hotel is basically a mirror-image of Steven Universe.
SU is presented as lighthearted comedic fun, but has a serious undertone. HH is presented as an irreverant dark comedy, but has softer and heartfelt moments!
SU is 90% filler. HH is 0% filler; jarringly so.
And both are musicals!
4:25 my fav line from you
I called it for ep 8 on who did the sacrifice I'm not going to say anymore, but it so fitting and funny
If you notice, Charlie bought the souvenir before she discussed it with Rosie. beautiful love
LET'S GOOOOO
CHAGGIE TIME!
I absolutely LOVED the fight/dance with Vaggie... sooooo good.
I love Rosie! She reminds me of that aunt or family friend that gives you a loving but firm kick up the arse when you need the push to make big changes in your life ❤
Not telling someone and lying are often seen as the same thing. "Lying by omission" as they say.
I've seen the episode earlier, but it wasn't until seeing a reaction video that I got the reference in the title.
15:00 the hazbin haters have seriously been on another level of insane. reminds me why i never emerge myself too much in fandoms
Alastor swooping in at charlies weakest moment to coerce her into that deal is just that perfect scheming i expected from him. Lay back, watch, wait for your moment and strike.
Aha! Gotcha now! Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (1991) was RIGHT about Celts being cannibals! :P
4:33.I bet that's what Charlie said to Vaggie at one point. 😂
Lol, really channeling Lucifer with the "no's" there. And considering it was in reaction to Alastor, it's even funnier.🤣
Cannibal Town reminds me of a Robert and Hammerstein musical. I love it!
Does no one notice how when Alastor says “she’s filled with potential that I could guide” Rosie pulled him back, she grabs his shirt and pulls him back from that protecting Alastor and Charlie!?!?!?
The idea seems to be not that you can't kill angels without love, just that you're not likely to do well enough if you aren't fighting for something.
Your gonna be so floored with the next episode.