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The theoreticap map veto was demonstrated very well and easy to understand
But he literally played the "2 player map veto" as the first player ONLY and not as 2 players. Which makes no sense whatsoever, that makes his fake analysis look better which it is not.
@dziugazz the theoretical veto was demonstrating what he would provide examples for later like 100T with breeze. It was just showing how one game plan can be advantageous when paired against another plan which doesn't capture the risk of anti-anti-stratting well (like you've noticed), but I thought it was a good demo to clarify what TMV is suggesting.
This reminds me of EG fracture in 2023 where in Tokyo, no one banned it and EG went undefeated on it in Tokyo, then in champs teams finally realized “hey let’s ban fracture against EG” and EG had to put more time into other maps, the one time fracture was let through against DRX, well the rest is history
drx let fracture and lotus through idk what they were smoking
@@iwantwins8016lotus is in hindsight though, how would they know their lotus was that good? letting fracture through is mega troll from termi
I love that the map veto can be considered some sort of mind games and a really interesting part of a match, but it turns out that its always just pick your best and ban your worst.
Only if you are a team that doesn’t play all maps. GenG plays all maps and if you look back at their games they don’t ever perma ban one map.
This just reminds me of EG Fracture.... Watching Team Liquid play that against them felt like watching my favorite dog (redgar) get slaughtered (int heavily)
This was the same with paper rex and heretics with sunset, no one banned it
tbf they were both really good at that map
how do Piazza, District, Kasbah, Drift and the Range factor into this
For the LOUD vs SEN match FNS was saying that instead of banning Split they banned Lotus because they suck at Lotus and SEN was GOOD at Lotus... so technically Loud did a smart thing but SEN was WAYYYY too good at the start of the season tbh
I hope everyone listens. This video is so important.
It honestly insane how map vetoes can make or break a team’s game.
Flashbacks to alecks making Preal as a decider map in Champs LA where they had 100% wr the whole series and gambled on bind and lotus
I think it was strangely poetic for FNC to get out in champs after a team FINALLY banning Haven. They had a 100% win rate on that map.
Thinking back, G2 might be one of the worst offenders of ignoring the other teams good/bad maps and just focusing on theirs 🤔 I’m sure there are others, that team is just fresh in my mind.
legit though, the fact that teams just kept playing haven.
felt like at Shanghai when everyone played Sunset against TH
yk what's funny? I became a coach for a team. The team became very good at Haven (they only played bind before me), and they had such a terrible map veto holy hell 😂
Clearly not as good at veto as Crude Geniuses
100% agree with this
reminds me of the power move from astralis to team liquid where they actively picked the map tl were having 100% wr on
It's a power move if you win, it is utterly stupid if you lose.
@@thesilvanalyst6880 true. although maybe the surrounding context makes it different because it's a completely different game
wait theres a tumb stiking out at 01.22
Hats off. That’s very smart
You should have used Crude Geniuses map veto during throw city (the veto's won the tournament)
the thing w fnatic tho was that they were rly good at all 6 maps (except maybe haven they were a bit mid) so they could essentially just pick the other teams perma ban if they banned lotus and still be 1-0 up
Well, you could have still tested that theory instead of doing the same thing that every other team tried and failed at.
Also, I don't know if Fnatic would have actually picked your perma ban then, or would have just gone straight down their own list instead
What makes me sad is that PRX did what you said, they banned bind, they picked breeze to be a coin flip, and they should have won that match. So that means alecks is a good coach, but the players are just underperforming
They have been straying away from normal team comps more and more, and they have been performing worse and worse. I genuinely think that with all of the talent and explosiveness they have in that team they could play meta comps and still be W gaming. Sure the comp probably works in scrims, but t2 does NOT know how to deal with that aggression. Shit until this year no one in t1 knew either.
The LS of Valorant.
Luckily, draft theory gets a lot simpler with 7 options instead of 168 (and counting).
Couldn't you make a simple engine that would do this for you? Like, just based on pure VLR stats, how do you maximize your chance? There's what, at most 7! combinations ~=5000? You could just go through all of them, then add some simple rules. Does this exist already? Better markets would love this lol, if you can keep betting after the map bans.
Before announcement
does anyone else feel that teams have gotten worse at this over time? i remember back in 2021-ish no one let gambit play breeze for like the entire season
What about exit strategies? Get exits isn't highlighted enough. I know that it it's a small part, but I think it effects the eco. I do think it risks ult orb feeding. But If you know you can't stop spike, why not try to damage enemy eco? This might also give deadlock (and maybe sage) a higher pick rate (unlikey). In the game, I always try to play exits (as kill joy or ratting in smoke). I know I might be wrong about it, but I still think it is important.
This would be really interesting since I watch CS and they do go for exit frags considerably more than in Valorant. But they also save so quickly... a 3v4 is already a save and they might leave one guy to go for exits.
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but edg banned th's permaban and still won kek
I understand letting your opponent's best through might mean giving away a map but doesn't playing your perma ban also mean giving away a map? The end result is the same. This only works if both teams has the same permaban like VCT champs where 3 out of the 4 teams in top 4 perma bans ascent.
this does not only work if both teams have the same perma ban watch the video
Teams could also just play their perma ban. I don’t know why teams don’t make strats and scrim for their perma ban before going into a bo5. The other team is thinking “they don’t play x map, so we make Strats for every map but X map and our ban. It’s a curveball and they have to adapt on the fly.
@@skelly_snipez1291 becuz it’s time consuming to prepare all 7 maps. So rather than have 7 mediocre maps as their maps pool, teams usually resort to having one permaban to focus on perfecting the 6 other maps left.
@@huh-vc5ke you misunderstand my point. You have a perma until that bo5 you REALLY need to win. Let’s say lower bracket run, lower finals against a very good team. You ban their best map and strat for your perma ban so when they pick it against you, you have the advantage.
@@skelly_snipez1291 This still applies to bo5, it's ok to give up one map if you can be really good on the other 4 maps. Better than having 5 midiocore maps. Afterall, you only need to win 3 out of the 5 maps to win a bo5 and you definitely don't need to win 3-0 in bo5.
I like these analyses. This might help predict pickems.
Or make you rage at a team for letting the opponents best map through for the 10th time this season.
Stop traumatising me with showing the ZmjjKK 4k over and over again...the moment when i lost all hope for TH`s win
From what I remember it was map1 and fns was talking about either they have to play sen on either split or lotus and they suck on both but they are better on split than lotus. That was his argument.
So let's try rating the maps as 1 to 5 from worst to best
so they pick
split: SEN(5) vs LOUD(1 or 2)
lotus: SEN(3 or 4) vs LOUD(1 or 2)
so they chose to play a 5v2 against a possibility of 3v2
JDG tried to play Breeze against DRG because DRG was 0-3 on the map. However, Breeze was their 7th (worst map). They got rolled on Breeze, it wasn’t even close. They lost 2-1. Imagine if they had not overthought the veto and banned their worst map (by far)?
Things are not as one sided as they are presented in the video, and you don’t really know the circumstances.
Well that's what he explained if it's your opponents worst map and your worst map as well just don't pick it or ban it and it will eventually get banned by the opposition because even they are not confident enough
In this video, TMV clearly shows that you should Ban the opponents best map, and then pick a map that you're decent at while your opponents aren't good at. That's completely different in this case where JDG decided to first pick their perma ban as you stated "Breeze." They could've clearly picked a different map allowed Breeze to go onto the 2nd round of bans, and win the match 2-0 with a map they are good at.
@@calvinwu4885 my memory was incorrect, thanks for the correction. I had believed that DRG banned Icebox because they sucked on it, and they banned it later.
Regardless, still a sign to never play your worst map if it is a guarantee loss. (Guarantee loss against enemy good map vs guarantee loss on your worst map?) DRG could have not banned Lotus as first ban but they didn’t, and ultimately they were rewarded. I don’t think DRG would have banned Breeze given how well they were doing in scrims at the beginning of the year, and after that the picture gets muddy. I may still be wrong, this game was a while ago.
I still believe that TMV is overthinking in this video, and that no one knows the circumstances that each team has. Perhaps Leviatan were not liking Abyss (I am not sure, only watch VCT CN), and didn’t want a rough 50/50 game against Trace, which they thought were weaker. Even if they were wrong, TMV should not criticise this harshly. He does have the right to criticise and is correct in this case though.
5 views in 1 minute bro fell off 😞
"Map veto is a 2 player game"
*proceeds to play the theoretical map veto as a 1 player game*
OK
what?
me when I don’t understand the presentation