Why Years of LOSING Helped EDG WIN VCT

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  • Опубликовано: 25 окт 2024

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  • @theunnamedplane5563
    @theunnamedplane5563 Месяц назад +360

    that is quite the thumbnail

    • @oah1943
      @oah1943 Месяц назад +8

      edg do play like clueless monkey the last 2 masters

    • @ssss8162
      @ssss8162 Месяц назад

      @@oah1943 Who's the clueless monkey now? Hint: Look in the mirror

    • @ssss8162
      @ssss8162 Месяц назад +7

      Yeah coz EDG pretty much shit on every team in NA and EMEA. Womp, womp

    • @ssss8162
      @ssss8162 Месяц назад +7

      yeah hidden racism is still racism. keep up the good work NA.

    • @genn8062
      @genn8062 Месяц назад +28

      @@ssss8162Lowkey i dont think he meant to be racist, I didnt even think it was racist until I saw this comment

  • @GambleNats
    @GambleNats Месяц назад +228

    W thumbnail, kk truly is the peak of human evolution

    • @ssss8162
      @ssss8162 Месяц назад

      Well thats what it means after he took a huge dump on all the NA and EMEA teams

  • @pheonixalier
    @pheonixalier Месяц назад +138

    One of the best videos on EDG champs. This video covered their team the most out of all the others I've watched, and really looked into their journey not only highlighting player-wise, but as a team, with tactical and team-building insight. There's a saying that improvement is not linear. People said it was a 'slump' and the 'end' for EDG, but I've always said that 'slump' was them improving. This trophy was a long time coming, but they definitely deserved it this year.

    • @ssss8162
      @ssss8162 Месяц назад

      Fact is nobody really truly knows game.

  • @Agertar
    @Agertar Месяц назад +25

    Man you're my favorite Valorant RUclips analyst as you don't go over rounds, but concepts as a whole. Never even got into Valorant but you're content always makes me feel like a tactical genius (yes I know if I actually tried to play I'd be like a deer in headlights but I can dream). Keep up the awesome work, and I'm excited to see if 100T will recognize your skills!

  • @AleyaBY
    @AleyaBY Месяц назад +15

    Props to you, bro. This is by far the most thorough analysis of EDG since they entered the international stage. I've seen videos that were sometimes a bit inaccurate, but this one’s the real deal. You even provided evidence of the incremental changes they made, with before-and-after comparisons of their gameplay, showing how they improved and whatnot. I also liked that the video wasn’t just about KK-you highlighted the strengths (and weaknesses) of the other members as well.
    That said, I wouldn’t mind if you made a video focused solely on KK. Just saying, in case you plan to make one in the future. Afterall, he is the GOAT.
    Anyway, I agree with you on a lot of points-especially how EDG trusted the roster they had at the start (with Smoggy) and made a few adjustments to address what they lack. Building and maintaining team chemistry is an invaluable asset. To add to your video, I’d like to emphasize the impact of the IGL change as well. As someone who watches the minimap a lot, I think Nobody’s calls had a huge impact, supporting the team’s individual mechanics. Their calls, especially in that last round at Sunset against SEN, were spot on. Smoggy did a great job sealing the deal. It truly shows how much EDG has grown from their losses earlier this year. It's just like that 5-26 never happened.
    In my opinion, the turning point was their match against PRX. That win boosted their confidence, helping them dominate through the grand finals as the top seed and eventually take it all. At least, that’s my take after watching a few minutes of their translated documentary.

  • @yivan2526
    @yivan2526 Месяц назад +85

    29:03 I wouldn’t call it a rumor. Both Haodong and Alecks confirmed it

    • @mzllrr
      @mzllrr Месяц назад +28

      he also left out a major input in that rumor at the time, being that prx used the comps of the teams EDG were going against and mimicking their play-style which is really interesting to know because this might be a game changer for prx going into next season and figuring out their role issues

    • @murkybu
      @murkybu Месяц назад +3

      TH coach neilzinho also said on stream PRX offered to scrim them as well after getting eliminated

  • @hoopbully
    @hoopbully Месяц назад +38

    EDG’s Kayo, Sova, Cypher, Omen comp is so strong, it literally has everything you need. Play making, info gathering, flashes, counters, delays, lurk, it’s almost like the dualist position is going to become just a flex spot in general where you go hey man you’re good at the game play whoever you’ll be the most cracked with.

    • @mzllrr
      @mzllrr Месяц назад +1

      or play whoever was broken at the time, which was neon

    • @roelofsonneveld1049
      @roelofsonneveld1049 Месяц назад

      What’s the 5th agent? Can’t quite tell which comp you’re referring to haha sorry

    • @halalola432
      @halalola432 Месяц назад +1

      Meta comp for a reason

    • @retrofying4761
      @retrofying4761 Месяц назад

      ​​@@roelofsonneveld1049I think its the Abyss meta comp, can also be the Ascent comp as well. 5th agent is usually Jett

    • @sleefy2343
      @sleefy2343 25 дней назад

      @@mzllrrneon became popular after it was used in champions
      Now everyone started using neon cus of zekken and zmjjkk

  • @sohhyuna
    @sohhyuna Месяц назад +17

    Love the analysis. Pointed out a lot of major ideas I had when it came with the direction of EDG. As soon as I saw them back in 2022, I thought they had the potential of the former DRX squad; excellent team play and quick executes. I was a bit skeptical swapping out Haodong since to me he was China’s MaKo, but Simon was definitely the missing puzzle piece. Great video

  • @spencer4679
    @spencer4679 Месяц назад +51

    The real evolution was kangkangs hand tape

    • @mzllrr
      @mzllrr Месяц назад +9

      whats really interesting is that its actually therapeutical and helps alleviate the pain from excessive movement in his arm, definitely a game changer for him because he's had those pains for a while. iirc he was a fencing player

  • @iamnotluisokay
    @iamnotluisokay Месяц назад +8

    this might be the best video you've made yet. great work brother!

  • @n1luq
    @n1luq Месяц назад +9

    This video really shows how qualified Platoon is for a francshise coaching position. In my 3-4 years of looking at valorant esports content. Platoon is the only one that I believe has the eyes for it. His insights are a quality asset that a top coach should have. He uses all sorts of tools to help analysis, stats, teamplay, chemistry, mechanically. You know how some people only look at stats to assess a team? or just looking at comps or looking only on the individual players? Even if he may not have the experience for it, his knowledge about the fundamental of creating success in deeply rooted. I hope to see the fruits and flowers of his work eventually. The best tress will eventually produce the best fruits. Right now, Platoon has establish the roots and the stems. I hope that you find your success, wherever, whenever it is. Even if I am some random user on youtube comment, I appreciated your valuable insights, from the bottom of my heart.

    • @halalola432
      @halalola432 Месяц назад +1

      Tdawgg also has a great understanding of the game even tho his videos go sometimes for a more comedy type analysis. (He’s an igl for a challengers team)

    • @tokipt2
      @tokipt2 Месяц назад

      ​@@halalola432tdawgg is so good i wish more people watched his videos

    • @another7674
      @another7674 14 дней назад

      He prolly makes more money off this RUclips channel then he would as a coach. Ands less stress

    • @another7674
      @another7674 14 дней назад

      @@halalola432tdawgg is so insightful. He actually helps you get better he focuses on fundamentals so much I really get a lot of value for my actual games

  • @bootao1671
    @bootao1671 Месяц назад

    Best video on EDG's Champions journey!!! Keep up the good work👊

  • @PluginArtz
    @PluginArtz 16 дней назад

    Grind, Future, A BEAUTIFUL STAR

  • @AUG_Glow
    @AUG_Glow Месяц назад +4

    The thumbnail was actually really good

    • @ssss8162
      @ssss8162 Месяц назад +2

      He should make another video of NA and EMEA teams going the other direction. That will be pretty funny

  • @tszsysnapse1599
    @tszsysnapse1599 Месяц назад +1

    thx for your explanation of this! Now it makes sense for everything

  • @nya5260
    @nya5260 24 дня назад +1

    Genuinely a great video

  • @babusseus1105
    @babusseus1105 Месяц назад +3

    It really felt like EDG went from decent to the best within a month. Awesome video like always!

    • @LollipopLop
      @LollipopLop Месяц назад

      They add Simon too in a month

  • @vyx7129
    @vyx7129 Месяц назад +4

    omg platoon upload

  • @cl_0ud470
    @cl_0ud470 Месяц назад +1

    Kangkang peak human form confirmed according to the thumbnail.

  • @badgoodboy9437
    @badgoodboy9437 Месяц назад

    Underrated video ,Bravo!

  • @aaronpua2630
    @aaronpua2630 Месяц назад +1

    you forgot to mention the never before seen strat of using the first map for aim training so you can win the series overall, gg edg

  • @t1ko677
    @t1ko677 Месяц назад

    When everyone doubts you, you get used to it, but you eventually work hard to silence everyone. What a great story. EDG may no longer be strong in the future, but this championship is of great significance

  • @nikhilbhagat7685
    @nikhilbhagat7685 16 дней назад +1

    Love the video as always.....can you also make a video on why PRX looked better with monyet than jing and why they looked better last year with jing and they looked lost this year when everyone thought they might win everything

  • @staygoldpwnyboy923
    @staygoldpwnyboy923 Месяц назад

    this is top notch val content

  • @niofruit
    @niofruit Месяц назад +1

    The Tacticsl Evolution of EDG and KangKang

  • @bryanmulcare9083
    @bryanmulcare9083 Месяц назад +1

    EDG was first scene in Champions Berlin, 2021, they weren’t successful and Champions, Istanbul, 2022 were also weren’t successful. And then they pop off in Top 8 in 2023. Didn’t win in champions Los Angles, 2023. And finally clutch it out with the new roster, finally wining champions Seoul, 2024. Made respects to Kang Kang. And Congrats to their first major win this year.
    Edit: S1Mon is their best sub this year for setting up towards success. Even if he low frags, his execution for his team was something unheard of.
    I couldn’t fine any research for EDG participating in Champions 2021 unfortunately. But I really thought that they were the only Chinese team came Berlin.

  • @casterr1571
    @casterr1571 Месяц назад +8

    I always found EDG cracked just not able to beat the top tier teams who've been around t1 longer but they proved themselves as some of the best.

  • @黃亮語
    @黃亮語 Месяц назад +4

    The original head coach After said in the post-match interview of the Shanghai Masters that he could not verify the strength of his playing style in CNvct. Therefore, most netizens believed that he was evading responsibility. He was attacked by a lot of public opinion and had to retreat to the background. In addition, Newcomer s1mon was actually recommended by after.

    • @platoonval
      @platoonval  Месяц назад +2

      It's unfortunate that he was a part of so much of their team's development and was let go at the final moment, but he definitely deserves credit for a lot of EDG's progress over the years! Hopefully he finds a good role next year.

    • @jimiyu.
      @jimiyu. Месяц назад +3

      @@platoonvalentire edg roster has been praising after and talking about how much of the current teams foundation was created by afters coaching and ideas
      if the edg players are that vocal about after I think it’s likely he still has a very good reputation within the scene even if netizens continue to do netizen things

    • @荡荡-l2i
      @荡荡-l2i Месяц назад +1

      bro,in edg's new 纪录片 Simon say not After but 二队的 coach

  • @singularneo
    @singularneo Месяц назад

    Every since champs 2022, I had a dream

  • @JR-cm9sh
    @JR-cm9sh День назад

    this is not a surprise. asian teams have next level work ethic and dedication. something the spoiled rotten NA scene could learn from

  • @marcdebatle6629
    @marcdebatle6629 Месяц назад +1

    Yooo Platon I would love to see a breakdown on why did Team Heretics lose 3 finals on 2024. I feel like it could be a good video!

  • @wolfgangoppenheimer2905
    @wolfgangoppenheimer2905 Месяц назад +6

    You ignored the biggest (literally) factor for EDG WIN , which was ARDIIS . HE MADE THEM WIN .
    BRICK BY BRICK

  • @shuzhan9684
    @shuzhan9684 Месяц назад +1

    Ever since from Tokyo masters from KangKang being oping God to being the best hard entering duelist in the world.

  • @icyFPS
    @icyFPS Месяц назад +1

    great video

  • @misosoupings
    @misosoupings Месяц назад +2

    w platoon upload

  • @mopp782
    @mopp782 Месяц назад

    Thumbnail is wildin

  • @deviazn
    @deviazn Месяц назад +1

    wild thumbnail 💀

  • @ImTheProblem_x
    @ImTheProblem_x Месяц назад +2

    the thumbnail is CRAZY

    • @ssss8162
      @ssss8162 Месяц назад

      its not crazy, its just racist

  • @iisaaaaa
    @iisaaaaa Месяц назад

    "Going to Champions 2024, nobody thought Edg would be a threat" only him? Glad that everyone else thought they were a threat.

  • @crypmama8339
    @crypmama8339 Месяц назад +1

    every video i watch i wonder how you only got 35k subs

  • @Davinki651
    @Davinki651 Месяц назад +1

    Isnt Edg vs Sen a noteworthy game to cover? That was pretty much the turning point that started Edg's run to finals

    • @sleefy2343
      @sleefy2343 25 дней назад

      It was prx that they won that started edg form
      To become Soo powerful
      You can even see it in trace and Sen when they won

    • @sleefy2343
      @sleefy2343 25 дней назад

      After that they beat aspas and lev
      And then th

    • @Davinki651
      @Davinki651 25 дней назад

      @sleefy2343 yeah prx was definitely the litmus test

  • @_proxy5
    @_proxy5 Месяц назад

    very good vid

  • @tomlin6554
    @tomlin6554 Месяц назад +3

    Waaaayy better than TMV's video. Nice one!

  • @Ghost-pm9yr
    @Ghost-pm9yr Месяц назад +1

    EDG ARE THE GOATS

  • @qinglong424
    @qinglong424 Месяц назад

    if you translate this video in chinese and uopload it on a chinese social media(you can contact someone who has already an account with subs)this video would blow up

  • @leiuwu3965
    @leiuwu3965 24 дня назад

    basically ranked 5 stack to vct

  • @ЕфросинияКуклева
    @ЕфросинияКуклева 16 дней назад

    508 Lisette Trail

  • @voyagersentfromearth
    @voyagersentfromearth Месяц назад

    People just find comments to hate on edg's success, its too funny

    • @sleefy2343
      @sleefy2343 25 дней назад

      Exactly
      Even evil geniuses got hated after they bested the best teams In the world

  • @otakuhero2621
    @otakuhero2621 Месяц назад +1

    They needed a white jersey

  • @ELMcNuggetzCucuy
    @ELMcNuggetzCucuy Месяц назад

    wanted to see benjy win! :(

  • @jinsanityy7379
    @jinsanityy7379 Месяц назад +1

    W vid

  • @youarebeingtrolled6954
    @youarebeingtrolled6954 13 дней назад

    What happened with Valorant is gonna also happen with semiconductors😂

  • @AmyHernandez-s9q
    @AmyHernandez-s9q Месяц назад

    Erdman Villages

  • @pedrohenrique1960
    @pedrohenrique1960 27 дней назад

    São Paulo

  • @ssss8162
    @ssss8162 Месяц назад +5

    Clearly lots of NA, EMEA fanboys are still crying about EDG winning Champs.. Womp, womp lol

  • @mf_footages101
    @mf_footages101 Месяц назад

    Seemoan is the goat man

  • @reality6401
    @reality6401 Месяц назад

    Who is Edward and why is he gaming?? 😐

  • @gaoaibai6243
    @gaoaibai6243 Месяц назад +2

    Kinda strange why you didnt put G2 in, the only team that has decisively beaten them in the entire VCT Champs. I personally think sth "ticked" when they lost that third game to G2, it felt like EDG was finally gettin what it takes to be the word champions. Without G2 I do not think EDG would win VCT Champs at all, especially if they came up against LEV like when they did vs FUT. No offense but EDG pre-G2's loss is a completely different beast than when they were beating Team Heretics in the finals, and without that G2 loss I think Team Heretics (prolly LEV is more likely tbh) would of been crowned VCT champs instead of 4 times losers..

    • @shafialanower3820
      @shafialanower3820 Месяц назад

      G2 got embarrassed by fanfic and lev

    • @dhekanlavida3979
      @dhekanlavida3979 Месяц назад

      4 times losers u mean heretics?

    • @irishsamin9397
      @irishsamin9397 Месяц назад

      g2 is complete trash can only farm prx because prx comepletely fail of this year against a good team g2 shit their fking pants so no need to put g2 on the video

    • @voyagersentfromearth
      @voyagersentfromearth Месяц назад

      What do you mean decisively beat edg?? Edg should've won that match 2-0 they were up 11-9 on attack haven even after choking that G2 barely won bind 13-11

  • @LeightonEdwina-k5f
    @LeightonEdwina-k5f 16 дней назад

    Thomas Nancy Jackson John Garcia Amy

  • @redballoon2380
    @redballoon2380 Месяц назад +5

    Neon is the reason why EDG looked good at champs. Kangkang has been dominating with her ever since Riot decided to make her overpowered. Once she gets nerfed, EDG wont be as great anymore

    • @shafialanower3820
      @shafialanower3820 Месяц назад +6

      That is the dumbest reason ever

    • @kuboN-k5y
      @kuboN-k5y Месяц назад +4

      wdym? this is not fking reason, kk can play neon why other team cant play neon?minibot?zekken?aspas?

    • @redballoon2380
      @redballoon2380 Месяц назад

      @@shafialanower3820 then why is edg destroying teams after neon buff? not a coincidence??

    • @spiiralwya
      @spiiralwya Месяц назад +8

      ah yes this the type of guy who says chamber made yay 🤣

    • @rustyastronaut3118
      @rustyastronaut3118 Месяц назад +4

      its buffed for everyone not just edg.

  • @Chalino93
    @Chalino93 Месяц назад +1

    What do you mean 2g is the best team in the world

  • @Twisted7346
    @Twisted7346 Месяц назад +1

    FIrst :)

  • @AjaniTea
    @AjaniTea Месяц назад +2

    No views in 20 seconds? Bro fell off

  • @lontongpetir7852
    @lontongpetir7852 Месяц назад

    so EDG once a monkey (according to the thumbnail)

  • @Burpingtogheter
    @Burpingtogheter Месяц назад +1

    Edg aren't the best itw, very good team that had a massive run in champs, repeatable? Unlikely. top 5 team? Maybe.

    • @jimiyu.
      @jimiyu. Месяц назад

      I think having the best performance in the biggest tournament of the year qualifies you for the title of best itw
      you could argue semantics about which is the best team on paper all day long without a conclusive answer but by the results edg was the highest performing team at the end of the year

    • @Burpingtogheter
      @Burpingtogheter Месяц назад

      @@jimiyu. no, no it doesn't winning a competition doesn't automatically make you the best in it, beating another team doesn't automatically make yours better.
      Can you argue they put in a once in a lifetime performance? Of course, I'd also point out most of the big teams failed to ever truly hit the ground running at champs.
      This is common knowledge amongst sports fan btw, the best team doesn't always win.
      Mind you, there's no shame in making that mistake, but it is, nonetheless, a mistake

  • @jordan-eh8ni
    @jordan-eh8ni Месяц назад

    Edg sucks. How can people even acknowledge them as a good team when they just abused neon to win champs. When she actually gets proper nerfs I doubt they will ever place high again

    • @Rajputrajx
      @Rajputrajx Месяц назад

      India 🇮🇳 is far better than china.

    • @tszsysnapse1599
      @tszsysnapse1599 Месяц назад +3

      I bet you didn't watch the video poor guy 😅 every season of this game has a version, this season is the neon version, so you need to keep adapting the version into your strategy, every teams know but not many of them can totally adapted and put it into the overall team tactics. After the version changed, why don't you think edg will not adapt it again just like they changed jett to neon this year ?

    • @robloxguard6948
      @robloxguard6948 Месяц назад +3

      what are you yapping about ?? KK literally played Yoru , Jett on icebox and other maps and still won ????

    • @voyagersentfromearth
      @voyagersentfromearth Месяц назад +1

      Well other teams are allowed to do the same why didn't they do it then??? It's like saying optic abused chamber on every map to win masters

    • @jordan-eh8ni
      @jordan-eh8ni Месяц назад

      @@voyagersentfromearth nv/optic placed 2nd in berlin before chamber existed. edg never did good in any event until now

  • @ghostking44
    @ghostking44 Месяц назад

    25:00 this is actually untrue. Haodong flexed to initiator a lot during 2022, it wasnt until lock in that he stuck purely to controller

    • @platoonval
      @platoonval  Месяц назад +1

      He definitely flexed it from time to time (and a lot of other agents) but he was definitely not naturally suited for that role, which is likely why they swapped him to controller after LOCK//IN like you said. A lot of players play a role to make their team work, so I still wouldn't call Haodong an initiator player before I call him a controller player.