I Can't Do This Anymore.
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
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Just would like to add a note and emphasize that I UNDERSTAND THE WAYS IN WHICH I AM CULPABLE AND HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE PROBLEMS I TALK ABOUT IN THIS VIDEO! I acknowledge these things, and I am still working through how I want to proceed with covering topics in the future. I am also starting to understand more how the thumbnails I make contribute unnecessarily to issues, and will be adjusting accordingly.
I am still learning a lot about content creation. I only started picking up momentum in February, and there are a lot of things that maybe seem obvious to others that don't feel as obvious to me. IN MY MIND, the thumbnail is sensational but the content within isn't so bad, so I felt that others understood my POV. HOWEVER, I'm recognizing more and more how the thumbnails do attract a particular audience regardless of what I actually say in the video.
Does this probably sound obvious and stupid to not understand? Probably, but I was ignorant to the impact of this in a lot of ways. I'll work on it. I want to have a positive impact on the community, and if tweaking thumbnails could help do that, that's an EASY fix. But yeah. I'm not asking for sympathy or pity, just talking about my thoughts and acknowledging where I want to change. Thanks to those that understand that.
You should pin this (your comment) so everyone sees this.
This is what a content creator is about. This is what a content creator should be. I am glad you are realizing your mistakes and work to improve that. People need to understand you are still a content creator and you are learning stuff. The fact you can identify an entire problem and are able to realize you are contributing that problem is amazing- what's even more so baffling is that you're working to improve it. People aren't aware of the fact that ccs aren't some perfect human being, that that they aren't prone to making mistakes.
I do love you as a cc and I think you're a breath of fresh air in the gacha community overall. If I get called a simp for saying this shit, that's fine. It's not like I care. I look forward to see how you improve your channel. I agree with most of the things you say in this video. Games are games, they're supposed to be fun and the tribalism just... I honestly don't know.
I also love this particular format when you're not streaming. If people still have issues with you, that's literally on them. Too many people worry about the issues of others rather than themselves.
OH and if you'd like to give feedback on my thumbnails, I genuinely would love to hear it. I think my mindset on them has been kinda dumb and I wanna work on it. HEre is a twitter post if you'd like to talk about it, I also made a community post on here: x.com/Hex_Juice/status/1813280364380709227
Thanks for covering this issue. It's really been toxic whichever comment section I go to lol! No matter what, people will always have something to say, good or bad. Hope this doesn't take a toll on you and yeah maybe try to avoid controversial topics atm (or thumbnails apparently lmao) to avoid attracting those kind of people. Anyway you still have viewers like me who might not agree with you all the time, but truly respect you and listen to your opinion no matter how much hate you always get lol. I always see people hating on you without even listening to your whole point. It's not fair to you, but I also hope that you still know that for other comments that disagree with you, they don't mean harm nor hate towards you.
Hope you have a great day, Hex! Love your content!
I believe no matter the streamer if they stick to who they are, don't let their content or audience change them and they enjoy doing what they do without apologies for the word "shitting" on other people you will be an awesome creator, don't let others get you down and I kind of like your content do I agree with all your takes not always but I still enjoy your content due to your wanting to at least try and remain unbias in all situations. Please never let the communities change you and just always stick to your guns and values.
I use to not like you much,but after watching this video you have my support. Yes people might be skeptical about you and other Cc's but it takes a strong person to admit ones short comings ,especially on the internet. Looking forward to future content. Stay strong❤
Like seriously, CCs add fuel to the fire all the time to farm views only to then do a complete 180 and act all virtuous once the farming is done all while waiting for the next drama to appear so they can do it over and over and over again it's absolutely hilarious. At least we now start to understand why such blatant tribalism exist. Because directly or indirectly, CCs encourage it.
I am aware of how I've impacted the community and will be working to change the way that I cover topics. I am not perfect and I hope that I will be able to have a more positive impact in the future, though I understand that it will take time.
@@hexjuice ay thats respect
One thing i would like to point out is that, half of the discourse on these games is pushed by the CC's themselves.
They are like, "why is there so much drama" while refusing to look the titles of their own videos.
Im not saying that its you, or that you do it more than others, just making a point i think has some merit.
Yea, if it werent for all these CCs bringing these small conflicts out of proportion to youtube just to clickbait some views and milk videos, most people would not even think there was anything going on. A very small number of loud individuals create an echo chamber here and there, who are keep in mind at most %1 of the whole playerbase, and these CCs go crazy making the same vids repeating each other 10 times over with overly dramatic clickbait titles.
Have you ever been to any kind of gacha social media? My main experience is with reddit, but even without CCs being involved, the gacha communities tend to be tribalistic to an absolute insane degree. Maybe they're just the vocal minority, but man are they loud and obnoxious.
@@arvandor6820 Frfr So true like its the community not everyone but still comes from the community
@@arvandor6820 lets assume that to be the case (probably is).
CCs 100% made it a whole lot worse my adding fuel to the fire.
I am positive half of all the drama could have been avoided if CCs just didn't drama farm for views and giving these tribalistic behavior more attention than they should have.
Yeah people don't think for themselves, they just see "X GAME IS UNPLAYABLE MESS" "I WAS WRONG ABOUT X" "X IS THE BEST GAME EVER MADE" "X CHANGED MY LIFE" "X'S ISSUES NUCLEAR DRAMA" and people just take everything at face value without forming their own opinion
CCs being shocked about the state of the community wondering why the drama is abysmal, forgetting how they are the cause or main distributors of said drama is insane to me.
They are also not obligated to make stupid people listen and form their own opinions.
It's the same everywhere, politicians and celebrities are also drama farming, that's their job
@@meppeorga "its their job" and then they proceed to release a video like this lmfaooo gacha space CCs are a joke really
@@Officerfriendly416 if you cant see the reason behind both my comments then that’s a you problem not mine. Good luck tho
@@nowdanny I’m not talking about myself, or you. Idk why I replied here
@@Officerfriendly416 that makes sense lmaoo
Content creators farming drama: "this is the genshin killer, wuwa worse than genshin, zzz better than wuwa, zzz not as good as genshin"
Also content creators when the community is toxic: surprised Pikachu face.
yep content creator grinding money
from stupidy toxic drama..
compare this that those like wtf
When almost every thumbnail or title are provocative and attacking one game or another, what CCs are expecting to attract and what they expect to see on their comment section ? Especialy when its close to a community already known as toxic.
The gacha community was always like that, less openly public before genshin but still. Everyone knew what was going to happen with Wuwa and ZZZ release.
And i can already tell you what will happens when NTE comes out. People will attack the game especialy focusing to point out the studio and TOF release, there will be optimization problem for 25+% of the players even if its not true, people will comment about "design", "easy combat", "coomer game", "stiff animation", "futur powercreep" etc.. Until they find a specific point that can't be argued and they will repeat it over and over again, even if the game end up being the best gacha ever.
And CCs will milk the hell out of this confrontation again.
In fact, every game have theyr trigger sentence.
You want to tease a ZZZ fan : "Tvs, easy game, lolis"
You want to tease a Wuwa fan : "Optimization, EN Va, translation (tbh its just trigger ex genshin players, PGR players make fun of it for years anyway)"
You want to tease a Genshin fan : "3, mint"
For HSR i'm not so sure because i don't look too much about it but probably anything related to meta and "powercreep"
And who pushed this button every possible time ? CCs
I'm excited for NTE but the optimization problem is definitely going to be more than 25% unreal engine4 is hard enough to optimize on mobile and it's going to be running on unreal engine5 really hoping they make it work but damn will that be a different beast to tackle, and with how people already view their previous game TOF the shit storm would be insane
@@Random73997 it's unreal engine 5 also hotta studio will launch the game better because they have prior experience with unreal engine 4 and surely won't start gunblazing and firing their UE expert before the game release so that is why i will gave NTE a try
I mean, part of the reason we're in this situation is because content creators fan the flames, especially when it comes down to Hoyo games. Look at all the coverage by content creators before ZZZ came out and during its release.
Negative people are always the loudest, and that only gets amplified when content creators hype them up.
I actually agree a bit. There will always be people who are negative about any given thing, and there will ALSO be people who, when they see someone react negatively to something, will go perpetuate that something just to get the negative reaction, regardless of their actual views. Between the toxic people and the trolls, the best thing to do is not give them the attention or reaction they want.
This is so true. They benefit the most from the views and toxicity
But even if the CCs where all calm about things their communities would just try to cause drama between them to watch the fallout. Because of the high amount of tribalism going on or just because they don't like someone and want to make them suffer.
I stopped watching drama CCs for 3 days and boy oh boy its feels like all this BS is nonexistent i understand why ppl dont watch CCs, your community reflect your content and telling people to touch grass sounds like you saying are not part of it, feels to me like you acknowledge there is a problem but really dont know what the problem is.
I m not a CC so i cant understand what you have to deal with but as a viewer all i can say i only watch people who enjoy playing games.
TLDR :Dont interact with idiots, stay away from "spicy" drama, play what YOU enjoy and most important just be yourself.
the loudest CC "contributed" the most to the expansion of the gacha space, but he "contributed" drama
I don't think you get "defense" without "attack", and so when the attack is so high, you're gonna get people feeling like they have to up their defense. And when the attack's statements are so wild and stupid, the defense's statements also get wild and stupid to contend with them. It's so crazy to see.
A.K.A. counter-attack yet for some odd reason this is apparently for some content creators the equivalent to Superman's Kryptonite weakness.
you do have far more involvement on this than you may be willing to accept, i have never heard of you until your videos started popping up everywhere just because i happen to look at wuwa on youtube. your stuff was either, laughing at genshin, reacting to wuwa content and hyping it up and incentivizing the tribalism. it isn't a matter of just the thumbnails.
That's fair. After Wuwa's release, I started being more mindful about this, but before, I can admit that I was definitely participating a lot. I'm still trying to work out what I've made mistakes on and what I can work on in the future. It's not perfect.
A good cc is one that doesn’t stir drama and actually provides value to the players gaming experience.
In chasing the RUclips algorithm, content creators make increasingly dramatized thumbnails, titles, and videos: "NUCULEAR DRAMA" this, "I CAN'T BELIEVE X DID/SAID" that. Now, the videos inside and under these titles may be more nuanced or balanced, but you're going to draw in people with that. Not just yourself, honestly every CC that I follow that covers Hoyo / Kuro titles does the same thing, because to most creators, this is a specific business decision to get as many viewers and ad revenue as possible. If your focus on your channel is that, it's a great strategy, but if your goal is community-building... well, you've seen the results.
It's targeting a specific demographic (the kinds of people who complain about there being too much drama in a community but click on every drama video without realizing that that's why RUclips is showing them all the drama videos.) And, well, it's working, or as I end up saying in my own job to customers, "Functioning as designed."
I do love how people can solve all their problems by liking multiple games but just choose not to, like I’m juggling both ZZZ and WuWa and both games are super fun 💀
This is how a sane person thinks ladies and gentlemen!
same. I play what I like and once I’m done I’m done.
Yeh like both games are good and I’m having so much funny with both rn
Same.
Funny thing is that, some people are probably playing both but still choose to argue with other people which is the better game.
Ill be honest outside of the cc's SAYING that there's conflict in the gacha community i almost never see any, the only real one currently was the natlan stuff, outside of that most people arent complaining that much, the CCs just amplify something that isnt really there outside their circle. Also the likes the dislike ratio on alot of videos arent even that bad its like 8-10% dislikes at best which is barely anything
Honestly, a few of you guys give the tribalism a microphone. You make videos trying to attack one group or another. I don’t play hoyo games, but let’s not pretend that for the first month of wuwa, you weren’t shitting all over hoyo most streams. That one stream between you and teccy is what created all of this primarily. Every single video or stream for the past 3 weeks has been discussing this, it’s time to give it a rest.
I love how CC's have a come to jesus moment regarding a problem in a community that they have had a heavy hand in fanning only after they have felt the negative repercussions. It's great that you acknowledge it in your video, but in the grand scheme it doesn't mean a damn thing unless you actually act on it, and even still it won't revert the damage already done. As long as you're doing this job, people will forever be your Judge, Jury, and executioners so I hope the community continue to hold you to it.
I don't hate you, but " I didn't know " Is never acceptable, and often times (Not with you probably) It's not " I didn't know " but " I didn't care to know OR just didn't care ". I say this to everyone including my family and it's always applicable.
U are not a gacha gamer u are a drama channel , in my eyes anyways.
personally, i see myself as a commentary channel around gacha games, but tomato tomawto
i used to spend time everyday looking at 10-12 cc's newest posts for years. I recently noticed I stopped at around same time the atsu/brax crap started. Almost all CC's , even the ones who PRIDED themselves on not getting into drama, started running nothing but drama posts. I like Hex, but had she never made a single post about her drama I never wouldve even known she had drama. So you all keep bringing drama to our attention. Happy to see her edited comment that she sees how she has been part of the problem. Just make content you enjoy, dont worry about other cc's. We started wastching you for YOU not the drama.
People, including content creators, just don't like to hear that the game they liked is publicly disliked etc. CCs also have to realize that they cant farm content and drama and not expect to attract certain audiences. This is an important aspect CCs often forget.
Added to that, Imagine going to a bar and being surprised to see alcoholics and drunk people. Gacha is the same. These games and games of chance in general are created to prey on specific types of people. Usually weak minded people who lack self control.
Not to mention gacha games have a lot of FOMO, so the psychological impact is interesting to say the least. So Imagine forming a community with all these people.
What we are noticing right now, is multiple large gacha communities, when before Hoyo was the only large one. keep in mind however, that these people only make up a very small number of the player base. At the end of the day, play what makes you happy, the opinions of others does not matter at all.
EDIT: I feel the same with HSR right now as well. Also id like to see your reaction to Neverness to Everness, new game by Hotta.
"This changes everything!", "This is the best thing ever!", "This game is shit!", "They totally dropped the ball on this, There is no recovery!", "Anyone that likes this is a child!", "This is Mickey Mouse bullshit!", the list goe son and on. content creators and people on social media are like sith, they only talk in absolutes. It sells better, it clicks better, but doing things that way also forms the audiences, makes them adopt such absolutistic stances and act on them between each other.
And once audiences and communities reach er certain size it multiplies itself.
The Gacha space mad eitself this way, through multiple avenues. And it's not the frist space that did this. Back in the days it was WoW vs any other MMO, it is XBox vs. Playstation, it is PC Master Race vs. Console Kids, it's everything.
The current internet population has lost he ability to look at nuances and to act and speak without condemning something or praising something into high heavens
To recover from that not only requires content creators to move out of the habit to sensationalize everything, to not focus on the clickability of drama, it also requires the audiences to want to change, to not be a Sith anymore.
Also language creates reality. Many ways of speaking are taken up from cotnent creators using them and are then weaponized to invalidate what others say. It's now about a year that people have been called 'Yappers" and to 'stop yapping' when discussing things at length in the gacha space. It rarely was used a lot before. So if anyone tries to explain their stance or point of view on the internet at the moment, they are rarely listened to, their texts are rarely read in full, they are just called a yapper and thus whatever they want to say is invalidated.
There have been other terms before that have been picked up and sued like that, then dropped when tehy go out of fashion or something new and even more popular comes along.
It's happenign for years. The discourse is degrading slowly, then it takes up more pace until we are where we are now once again. People currently, again, have lost the ability to be respectful towards each other and to have discussions without insulting or invalidating someone else in an instant and then claiming victory.
Content creators shocked that the toxicity has gotten bad when they farmed that drama like a dead horse that had already been beaten twice. Epitome of r/leopardsatemyface material. Genuine question to HexJuice: Am I suppose to feel bad or sympathy for you? I'm not claiming that you are a bad person, or evil, or that you were one of the main instigators of this whole toxicity, but you partook your fair share in it.
true, but this is the internet so it is what it is
idk why they get surprised when they put clickbait thumbnails to farm hate watchers and this is the outcome. example: video in this same channel with jinhsi in the thumbnail and WASTED POTENTIAL lol. seriously what sort of audience do you think you will attract with that? because it won't be a wholesome or kind one i bet you
They literally gave it so much attention then people usually do so, there is so much players including content creators that would openly admit that they would have never heard about it if it wasn't for one content creator making a 2h video and then the whole Scobody Gang chimes in and makes a reaction of a reaction.
When it spreads like wild fire and they're earning from it it's good but it seems they realized that it backfired because they kept spreading propaganda that they do this to spread awareness to not be easily manipulated.
Now when they get a tatse of their own medicine they're upset they they are the target of hate because the literally, openly admitted to do it for specific reasons.
Most based comment here. Many CCs are facing the consequences of the audience they cultivated through drama and negativity. It makes me lose a lot of sympathy for them when they scold the community for something they amplified.
Based take. A lot of ccs helped stir the pot only to then do a 180 and complain.
*“The community”*
I dread those words every time I hear them
This is why I keep to myself
The ccs created the community and makes the community look wierder. I was in a ww discord and everyone was normal someone played zzz in the vc and everyone was hyped when he was pulling. It's only the ccs that make the community look wierd they create unescesnary drama that makes the other communitys fight.
I remember some crazy drama that happened a couple years back and it was just dragging me down.
One day I decided to take a break and HOLY!! Taking a break on the internet was just so peaceful and relaxing, it made a huge difference that now I barely interact with communities and just do my own thing for the fun of it.
The reality is these content creators are engaging with the negativity way more then the positivity, and now they're acting like they had nothing to do with the rise in hate they've orchestrated for a clear profiting agenda.
Its simple if you are tribal just to earn/profit from it is toxic.
If someone genuinely only likes geshin and thinks the rest is trash, that's his human right, so it's not a problem at all, just reality
Can't force some innocent genshin lover not to express his opinion because of bad apples.
(Insert for genshin wuwa etc doesn't matter)
You gotta have thick skin to be a content creator. This is the internet where you can post a video of you fixing your pipe and the self proclaimed pro plumpers with 70 years experience will gang up on you and call you a disgusting waste of air. We can't change that so just adapt.
i think CC can do whatever they wanted to do because everyone will always judge them with their opinion all the time laugh🤣🤣
Like tectone that's why hes my fav cc
I finally pulled Ellen in ZZZ and she makes it an absolute blast to play. It took me quite a bit to really get into the game but as ive gotten further something finally clicked and the game is actually pretty damn enjoyable. And actually learning combos and rotations makes it much more satisfying than just button mashing your way thorugh.
1.2 of Wuthering waves is going to spawn another "Genshin could never", "ZZZ could never" horde with the free limited 5*
post the tornado meme guy oh wait that is NFT now
That free 5 star is ass tho, a lot of 4 stars are unusable and not great thats why they giving free shit
@@reedsad4652 free 5 star is ass? Who told you you? Source? You made it up.
@@reedsad4652 people realize calcharo is ass is funniest thing i ever seen now he is even more ass after xiao release
@@leoster44 it is, design looks like tian lang from ToF hahaha. Its free because its ugly af
the real HSR release experience. this exact thing happen when HSR release. so many people want it to fail, just because. fun time.
I think the reason gacha players want new gacha games to fail is because they don't want their emotional/financial/time investment invalidated or even simply reduced because it gets overshadowed by the new shiny. Most people can just enjoy the new shiny, and juggle their 2-4 favorite gachas, but some people are "invested" to the point of zealotry, which is where the problems come from.
I feel like, with how much drama and clickbait the Gatcha community has had this past few months everyone is either bunkered down into a single game and became toxic or they're just fed up and lashing out at all the CC
why was this on my fyp
It comes from people not realising you can enjoy more than one thing. It does mainly seem to be from a certain community in RUclips comments though. On other platforms I’ve seen a lot of love for zzz compared to its release.
@@akdrzllol1698 who cares about enjoying more, it's not a must.
But if other trashtalk what you like backlash is to be expected
Gacha communities are not exclusively Hoyo and Kuro game only so your experiences are only for gacha communities of gacha game you played or follows.
As someone who has played a lot of gacha games, they're all pretty similar. I think Brave Frontier was the least toxic of any I saw (and that may only be because I only interacted with my guild, didn't get involved with like the reddit community or whatever). I think the reason Hoyo and Kuro communities are the way they are though is simply a numbers game. The more fans a game has, the more like some of them are going to be crazy zealots or trolls or whatever, and since those tend to be the loudest people, having a few hundred of them in your community instead of a handful or less can make a HUGE difference in how the community comes across to the rest of the internet, you know? I mean, think of how many tens of millions of people play Genshin... Then look at how many of those fans go around trashing other games. The percentage is actually very small, but a very small percentage of tens of millions still ends up being a LOT of people.
It’s crazy to me the amount of hate a lot of wuwa players direct towards ZZZ. It feels like they were just fishing for a opportunity to shit on a hoyo game and since they know neither PGR or Wuwa can compete with Genshit/HSR they picked on the “new kid”.
Are you for real? Have you seen reddit and 4chan and how they treated and continue to treat WW? It's mostly HoYo fans fanning the flames. And half of the negative comments towards ZZZ that I've seen on reddit and 4chan are mostly from disappointed HI3 and GI fans and outsiders.
And granted, you'll get disgruntled WW fans because on most large social media platforms, people have been dunking on WW and saying ZZZ will kill WW
The kuro games community has always had big inferiority complex toward Hoyo since like the PGR release. Who can blame them considering that Kuro games has never released game that was not (at least at the release) just a copy of already existing Hoyo game.
Cc's these days just yap alot ..just play a game or dont !
Especially gacha ccs
For real. 27 minute video just to say the obvious.
Ok, y'all look dapper in those 6 month old underwears btw
Crying about it is crazy
@@bruh3369 if u see the vid agin she is crying baby ..im saying she is yappin alot
to this day ... idk why the fck theres a comparison between wuwa and ZZZ, they are 2 different games with 2 different budget.
The real comparision that NO A SINGLE CC has done its between ZZZ, aether gazer, PGR, HI3 and hell maybe even snowbreak. Those are the games that fight the playerbase that cant play wuwa on phones and pc.
The fact ZZZ has a gacha system like a high budget openworld gacha standard atm, its the main reason to ZZZ have all the hate it has, i dont come with the excuse "OH ITS A GACHA GAME" i am tired of that shit
Huh, weird, most of the mildly positive comments I see have pretty tame replies. It's usually those with sort of controversial takes that have chaotic comment sections.
I've seen it on things as simple as "I think learning more about the combat in ZZZ, it has more depth than people say!" So I guess it depends what you think is controversial. lol
Just saw a comment below that said zzz is better than wuwa and there was already 6 comments and zero likes. I say give it a few hours and it'll be chaotic
@@issacclarke4194 well... That's what you get if you make any baseless take without any nuance to back it up...
@@hexjuice Yeah cuz what you said is a lie, ZZZ is nothing but 1 buttons mash even rot brains are above ZZZ meanwhile Wuwa has the most complex and hardest combat out of any game.
@@11-buiminhduy56 indeed, and the comments section are filled with such comments which makes a simple act of discussion toxic as hell.
Idk how it was before, but aside from some deranged people everything kinda went downhill after Genshin came out, a lot of kids and honestly just quite literally unstable people from twitter, started playing gachas and "having a voice" in this community
The gacha community was much more niche and chill.
Genshin really is the origin of the downfall of this community.
The gacha genre gained popularity...but with the biggest downside coming with it...
@@jacktheripper7935 yeah kinda, cuz it broke the normie barrier
Genshin is genuinely a net negative for the gacha community as a whole.
@@peacechan4500 Hard to disagree on this one not just about the communty but even about the fan service who became tame
covids confinement in 2020
A very down to earth video rare to see these days.
HexJuice: I dont support these companies, they only care about your money.
Also HexJuice: Spends money in their games, to give the company money.
Seems about right.
I said that I don't have a desire to defend the companies, which has a different meaning to what you're implying here.
Well she didnt mean that type of monetary supp ,more like a community one ,in the end this people make money from creating content for this games, but yeah in the end company only cares if u continue to pay money to them
In another word hypocrite:)
I like both games, but the gacha model is going to make me quit eventually. It's the most psychologically exploitative business model aside from actual scams and that by itself takes so much fun out of it for me, because I know the suits are sitting in the back laughing arrogantly at every single person who throw hundreds or thousands of dollars at a mechanic that should not be tied to any monetization.
Youve overtime become one of the few creators who i enjoy watching tbh. That being said you are correct in that people take gacha too seriously which is why its important to branch out and have different genres scratch that itch ya may have. Me personally when i feel burned out from gacha a good ol FPS game can help rejivinate me lol
There are CC's getting flak for silly reasons, and then there's Iyo.
What did iyo do?
@@Random73997 he thinks he knows too much about fighting games 😂
@@Random73997 he thinks he knows too much about fighting games 😂
@@Random73997 Brainless, drama farming takes on twitter regarding wuwa and zzz
It’s crazy because wuwa and zzz have very similar combat honestly.
But they are different games.
People gotta understand that not all games are for everyone and every game has their own target audience , a game for everyone is a game for no one. Though I think part of this drama was somewhat amplified considering how their advertisement for ZZZ was that it was combat focused with lotst of freebies right away to get but not really being the case and being a game less combat focused than the others in same genre, cause it ended up attracting alot of people that had different expectations ,if it was advertised as a casual combat game it might have been less chaotic, but still none of this behavior is justified.
this is the consequence of genshin being the way it is for four years and making people go mad when finally wuwa from different developer comes out just got a new gacha competitor which is zenless. so people from both side really try so hard to find the flaws of the opposite. its either keep the good work hoyoverse or fuck you i hate you hoyoverse type shit. me on my personal side like zenless zone zero and wuthering waves both, but i cant stand any glazing bullshit about both games for example saying that in wuwa we dont have many flairs in the combat while in zenless its like endless of possibility. i also have complaints for both games, i also encounter the stupid bugs in wuwa, i also have the performance issue in zenless early on, both are flawed, but saying things that doesnt actually happened/applied/occured in either of those games, or any games in general, is dumb.
Gotta do what's best for you, but trust, the community is really not as bad as it seems in your circle of creators. Nuclear drama leads to nuclear waste, but outside of the blast area it's been a really good experience.
I've subbed to many ccs and discords that are just focusing on advanced gameplay guides, showcases, and even lore content and everyone is pretty chill and usually playing both WuWa and ZZZ to all of the big 4.
I get drama is good for business, so it might be difficult or unfeasible to make the switch, but just know there are places to go and it's really not the whole community. Not even close. GL either way.
There's also a certain degree of confirmation bias. There could be thousands of comments singing Hex's praise, but if there's one who is like "Lulz L take, what a baffoon," then she's going to ignore the thousands of good comments, latch on to the naysayer, and be like "This ass hole!" Granted the ratio of negativity is definitely higher lately and with certain gacha games, but from the comments I've seen they're still outweighed by the people who agree, but that's just not what we're wired to care about. So yeah, it's definitely just a vocal minority making the communities feel shittier than they really actually are, on the whole.
imo most of the wuwa players shit talking on zzz happened due to how zzz hyped themselves as a combat game.. and then lotta hoyo fans started shit talking on wuwa channels like "wuwa is scared of zzz.. they adjusting their schedule cuz of zzz" and "zzz will kill wuwa" without even playing both games.. hell zzz wasn't even out that time.. or "wuwa is copy of genshin".. all this shit piled up.. and when zzz actually gone live.. some wuwa players who were fed up with this constant trash talk using zzz or genshin as an example got chance to retaliate.. and yeah first 7-8 hrs of zzz was a horrible experience.. no doubt in that..and some even called out as wuwa shills who just said "zzz was boring" based on their 7-8 hrs experience.. it turned out to be a real mess
@@stardustdragonx3612 huh.. tons what?
@@sarcastoon677ignore it. It's a hoyo dog
@@stardustdragonx3612 where did he say tons?
@@stardustdragonx3612 yeap for months they been downplaying every game while praising their game to haven i remember they scream KURO IS MAGIC AT OPTIMIZIING LOOK AT PGR PC CLIENT SO GOOD ( actually it's not lol )
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The gacha drama should've already ended after one month of wuwa release. Well let's just say when zzz was announced zzz community started to attack not just wuwa but also genshin and HSR saying the narrative that it is the game of the entire fking universe and how will it blow wuwa combat out of the water. But when the other community attacked back and noway to defend their own narrative they proceed to victim blaming. Well let's just say they can't handle people's opinion on their game and proceeds to be toxic resulting for other community to be toxic as well. That and the idiot IYO that started that war on twitter then also proceeds to victim blaming in youtube 💀
And that why her video on ZZZ with him was THAT controversial.
I normaly don t agree much with the opinion on Twitter but the général opinion of people toward him is true. He realy became the next Envy/Atsu but for ZZZ.
really beacuse wuwa players keep pretending the entire month of june wuwa would outsell both genshin and star rail, they went into hsr/genshin threads shitting on firefly/clorinde and how wuwa would outself both games with yinlin, mods deleting threads by this spastic wuwa players the entire month, when hsr double wuwas revenue and they didnt beat genshin either they move into shitting on zzz, wuwa became the hoyo hater game and community thats why they are mad about ccs covering zzz, you can even go check wuwa threads archive for 4chan and see how they plot attacking ccs and dowvote the game, they consider treason to play zzz and thats why the went after those ccs.
ZZZ started to attack? Are you that blind? I play all games, ZZZ has been under attack from all fronts and have only been fighting back the excessive hate.
@@bloody4558 that's because zzz before even their launch the fandom is already attacking other community left and right. Now that other community fought back seeing how the game is no how it was hyped to be ZZZ idiots started with that victim blaming bullshit
What a 1 sided cultist take. Both sides attacked each other from the start, same with genshin vs wuwa. People hated on wuwa wayyyyyyy before release while others kept hyping it as genshin killer since it was announced. It only got out of hand now because some big content creators actively tried to push into 1 direction or another because they thought its funny.
I don't get it. I don't like ZZZ, so I don't watch ZZZ videos. Why can't people do the same
This is how I also do things but then there's some kinds of videos where the game you like is also being compared to another game you don't which automatically make people defend the game that they like.
It is such an eye rolling situation and its more hilarious when the games being compared aren't even the same genre
I was going to say that why do they even do that it’s not even a fun thing to do
WW fans really feel like they something to prove I guess. I dunno.
Your entire comment could have been summed up as "If you don't like a game, don't play or watch it" ...
As a wise man once said: "It's just a game, why do you have to be mad?"
This is the price to pay for making everything into drama, this is Tectone’s legacy, y’all made this community the way it is today.
It was not like this when we had more people to filter you guy’s toxicity, the scales have turned, we now have more drama baiting channels then neutral/positive channels, you reap what you sow.
Don't try and blame the CC's. Even let's assume that they did capitalize off the drama (many obviously did), they didn't create it. And even if you think they fanned the flames, they were merely blowing on a forest fire. The communities (and the nature of gacha games, particularly Genshin), are what made the communities the way they are. Even if CCs hadn't been around or had completely avoided drama content, the communities would still be the way they are. I bet a good portion of the communities don't even watch CCers. The vocal minorities are so much louder than the contended/rational majorities that they seem more ubiquitous than they really are.
I really appreciate your content, as well as the perspective that you offer.
It's definitely understandable to say that this is an interesting time. People have different perspectives, different likes. You offering yours is appreciated. Thank you Hex!
Post-Genshin is the worst generation of gacha players. ZZZ was a bit misleading in its marketing but its fun overall. Games shouldnt be compared to each other, play what you like.
It's going to be an endless competition "dont say your billion dollar company is better than mine!"
I think they should be compared, some people may not have the time to play every gacha games in existence and it's interesting to give them the pros and cons of each game and directly compare one to another before they start.
Time is a valuable ressource and your first impression of a game judging by its trailer may be wrong, I see no issue with content creators and people taking a clear stance on which one they prefer
Nah, Genshin is the door to this chaos, it's the consequence of them sending gacha games to a broader audience. I mean, look at the crazy things Genshin community did, those are premonitions.
Genshin being Mainstream is a blessing and a curse
I honestly love the way Hex just speaks her mind in a mature, respectful and logical way. A big part of the internet revolves around making conflict where there is none and picking sides for no reason, so it's always nice to see Hex act like a normal and civilised person who can still make great and entertaining content without needing to shit on anything or without needing to start unneccesary drama :)
You do you girl dont let anyone bring you down, never give up and have fun with you doing and calm down on drama side that all
It's not about the games anymore. Gacha games became drama farms for CCs.
This is why you don't mix Personal matters with content creation lol it'll turn to Drama content creators THE GAMEplay is thrown-out
It's unreal how true this is. I say anything positive about Zzz. Im a hoyo shill. I enjoy wuthering waves and point out its positives. Im a kuro shill. I point out known issues with genshin (a game i loved) Im just a genshin hater and should just not play it. As a person who likes all these games, the online community has proven its the worst part of the gacha experience. The collective maturity and understanding level of the this community is extremely low. 😂
beware the people calling shills, check their comment history and you will find out it's the same group of people talking all that shit. most people either silent or just being positive/critical of the game, but hey, it's not your fault of thinking everyone in this community are acting like a child.
Ive been called a Kuro Shill after I said "ZZZ aint my Cup of tea" Like what they gonna force me to play their games?😂
@@eir3831Yep yep, it's crazy how true that is
@eir3831 fair point. We know it's the loud minority and kids, but definitely still unfortunate. Every community has its bad apples at the end of day. Still less toxic than my league experience. 😅
The tribalism in gacha is wild and extremely bad since the rest of the gaming community is against gacha too and instead of banding together.......they attack each other and just reinforce the mindset of gacha games being bad. It also just makes you want to not participate in community conversations which then leaves the communities only filled with these tribes and it just becomes a cycle.
And the end result will be the games not improving as much as they could if people could voice valid/constructive criticism without being abused.
Veteran Gacha Player here, started on Azur Lane back at least a few years ago and moved to GFL. Nowadays, it's been Fire Emblem Heroes, ZZZ and Wuthering Waves.
The thing is that I think the best way to consume these types of games is to just play whatever the hell you want. You can't really force yourself into push into the game that you don't really enjoy.
Two, you can critique a game as much as you'd like, even if you like it, but don't let anyone else drag what you want and enjoy in the mud. Do what you want to do and play what you want to play, especially if the game's single player. Always play your favorites in these types of games, and don't really let anyone even CC's dictate what experience you want to have.
Just have fun!
It's kind of wild coming into this community as someone whose literally only played like two gachas, one being genshin for the first two days it came out and ZZZ for the last few days. Haven't kept up with any gachas or hoyo games prior to trying ZZZ out. It's like entering a department store where most of the departments are burning trashfires while ZZZ's has people trying to pour gasoline on it while others are mopping them up and shooing those people away. Crazy 😂
Am I the weird one for just watching the content/creator I like for the background noise while getting stuff done, then finally noticing the "current" events/drama 3 weeks to a month afterwards?
As a lot of people here said it’s all the CCs, drama farming, misleading clickbait, giving reviews on games that rival ign when we all can see how much that CC actually played said game, not knowing when to just not speak on something, and blaming viewers. What do anyone expect? I’ve ran plenty of communities because of my job and I seen some thrive and some collapse, and the ones that collapse is usually because the one/few with the reach, doesn’t respect the fact that whatever they say and do hold power over the rest of the community. It sucks but it’s part of responsibility of a CC. You can ignore it and leave a trail of fire but don’t pretend like you don’t know why it’s like that or act surprised.
Homegirl described the internet. LMAO
Imo just play what you like, it doesnt matter what others are saying abou the game as long as your havin fun thats all that matters tbh
Just out of curiosity. Are the community really toxic. And being toxic to you? Or are they just voicing their opinion on their game. I think if their toxic to you because you play certain game that’s bad. But if they’re just voicing negativity on games base on their opinion I don’t think is directly targeting you.
As a long time gacha players, nothing really changed. It just got mainsteam. It was always toxic af.
Since COVID it become more toxic know it since I play gacha since 2015
I've had this problem since a good while before WuWa even launched. As someone that actually likes Genshin quite bit, I've had to deal with rabid HSR fans trying to get me to drop the game for HSR (despite me playing both at the time) even though HSR was basically a completely different game outside of have a similar banner structure. And it's extra stupid because Hoyo doesn't lose anything if I drop Genshin for HSR or vice versa. At the end of the day, I'm still playing a hoyo game so it's a win-win.
keep in mind that the people who usually understand your more nuanced "takes" usually don't interact as much, just listen and like your videos. We understand you and hope you know we are there too! Sad to hear y'all content creators get ripped apart (and the community ripping itself apart) lately but I hope you stray true to your values and beliefs regardless :)
I love you, I'm happy to see that you were able to understand that you are also part of this problem and are willing to improve
This isnt just a "gacha" trend that generates toxic environments among the gacha communities but its the entertainment cycle in general. This same issue also exists in pro wrestling communities, Pro sports, Music preference, Movies/Cinema, Comic book debates heck dare i even say politics. Social media was doomed for us the day it was born. Ive dealt with this issue since the ealry 2000's.
Toxic Fandoms always ruined whatever the fandom is about kekw
Just saying after watching this video and i havent seen alot of your content yet(discovered you while looking up wuwa vids), gotta say i have a lot of respect for you. Especially how humble you are and the integrity you show by standing on your principles. Not many cc will turn down a sponsership by a big corp out of principle alone(cus they care more about $$$) Definitely had to subscribe :).
honestly i'm more scared if wuthering wave stop investing their time on making new 4 star characters, and we can only do the end game content with limited 5 star characters, even though the current 4 stars are doing fine so far
8:24 Summoning the dragon god, Jue to do one of the most powerful attacks in the game... Against a rock. We love you Hex! lol
Everybody playing ZZZ seems pretty positive and enjoying the videogame, can Wuwa player's say the same ?
Yeah, Nuanced takes alot of the time tend to do worse in terms of like/dislikes as if you dont definitively take a side then boths sides send in the dislikes sadly.
The moment I liked the tvs, I realized that I had to just be in my personal box. I understand the pros and cons and I like it enough that I think it outweighs the cons.
Aka, I'm just gonna watch content creators that cover it and ignore the community.
The only time I had problems with the TVs was in Hollow zero at the start where you have to replay the same two levels repeatedly to get the license exp. As soon as you open up the next area though it gets so much better. I really feel like the hate for the TVs has been overblown because all of them are over within 2-3 minutes and they mesh pretty well with the story. I'm kind of disliking the investigation missions where you collect clues and figure out what happened Ace attorney style, maybe it wouldn't be so bad if they would have the figuring out what happened and the collecting of the clues in separate parts
Bec its boring the less I hear about ZZZ the less I will want to take a nap
I just wanted to say I agree with you, about dropping a game when it's not fun,and playing it when it is fun. I am playing both genshin,and wuwa cause I find both games very enjoyable, wuwa a bit more. Sorry it just has a better open world lol,but that's not the point. I have a welkin in both games cause I find them very fun. The moment they are not fun I will drop them for something that is. I tried out zenless zone zero first day and knew it wasn't for me cause I didn't find it enjoyable. Simple as that. Also I really enjoy your vibe hex juice 😉.
Mature and grown ups just don't care about what a mid schoolers or whatever a random person from the internet says about a gachagame, if you make videos or talk about it you give them what they want, or making this kind of video/talk about this on stream is profitable (i dont really know)
Sometimes people just don't understand that videogame is just a videogame and nothing more.
As someone that doesn't want to be part of any gacha community, I can enjoy these games ways better that majority of people I feel like. I guess it's harder as a content creator because the atmosphere is amplified since you're at the front of it. But I will say, you guys, the creators that amplifies that community's voice, does attract these people. It's honestly funny seeing this is mainly a problem for the western audience, cause for the most part, the rest of the world doesn't give a fuck what others think lol
Haters: SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TECTONE MADE YOU QUIT GACHA?!
This makes me miss the toxicity in League of Legends
Thanks for the video! I figure I’ll ante up my perspective as well, and I love the new format.
After hearing about folks’ experiences (read: traumas) as content creators and being in the space itself as an audience member, I’ve started to realize that this place is anything but a ‘just a game’ space.
My bet is probably there’s a lot of lonely folks (probably from the pandemic) and folks who are terminally online, so that all contributes. Not to mention the price-point for some characters starts in the $100s, and gets into the $1000s. Add in that a game that only exists to the extent the fans support it (live service - with the ever present fear of declining quality or EoS) and you got one hell of a powder keg of human emotions.
I agree with your points sm! Like.. Just enjoy the damn games however you want, they're all good and flawed in their own way. All these 'drama' (literally just pure immaturity🤦🏻♀️) are not that deep- in the end, just play what you want! No use if you keep commenting negatively in an unfair way, let's be more open minded
The date of this upload quite ironic, i just had about had a straight up breakdown after the heated infighting just would not stop for the last few weeks. Speaking from.. honestly i'd call myself a Kurogames veteran at this point, but in any case... the "c0cksucking" or the "hate-b0ner" as has been thrown around regularly isn't just a one sided thing. Different CCs and even other Veterans are throwing gasoline to the fire against their other communities or even just their own via doomposting. And i'm here to really say.. after WW started to blow up a bit, the influx of people joining in kind of muddled the communities to the point that nobody really knows what to say without the rest of the residents labeling them a sellout, badmouthing the devs for honest-to-god bad decisions became a sacrilegious thing, talking about user experience became filtered and constant unending comparisons to other gachas that arent even in the same genre kept popping up, only fueled by CC uploads doing the same. It was already on the down slope.. and then ZZZ launched and the same thing happened to them but a bigger gasket was blown. Now you can't go around in a public or even just somewhat barely a public community space without some sort of inflammatory discussion, constant badmouthing, people not taking basic polite manners or grammar into consideration when voicing their irritations and all in all just a shitfest to be around. I had to mute around 7 whole servers last week because i was so tired of this absolute menace the gacha community space had become...
I could not really care about the comparisons between kuro or hoyo, i have had my share of history with both developers for several years at this point, and i would rather just keep them as separate entities. But turns out, you cannot have a median stance between the two, you *have* to pick a side and you *have* stick by them , it seems.
We truly are living in peak society right now.
What would you aspect it gacha community😂
I didn't think i would even like zzz, but I do now. It's a chill game, but it'll be a side game for me and Wuwa and HSR are the gatcha's I'll be min maxing on.
As for the communities, I avoid them. From my experience most popular gaming communities tend to be toxic and always find something to complain about. I'm already dealing with too much stress irl, and gaming is my way to relieve that stress.
I generally assume that one of the most vocal age groups on the internet (especially when it comes to games and gaming) is around 13 - 23, a time when we tend to react to things in a binary manner: everything is "yes" or "no", "us" or "them", and there's no room for nuance. As we get older, we (hopefully) begin to appreciate nuance and value variety - but we also have much less time and energy to respond to every item that tries to demand our attention. Rest assured there are a lot of older people watching your content, and they are quite happy whether you're playing WW or ZZZ or Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
So people who play games on a low difficulty are called brain dead??? I’m sorry this conflict will never end if words like this are still around
Wow Hex Juice almost seems like a different person entirely in this video than what I've ever come across before. No drama, no trashing on people or things, just pretty agreeable and fair observations.
Around 19:30 you said a bunch of the basic stuff genshin players do and then ended it there but DONT FORGET US ***LORE SPLURGERS***
Sure ill probably run out of lore to devour when it comes to Fatui but IF I HAD NO SELF CONTROL GENSHIN WOULD BE MY MAIN GAME CUZ I WOULD CONSTANTLY BE DOING QUESTS!!! (this is literally why i havent touched the imaginarium or echoes events)
GENSHIN IS A STORY GAME
I’m over the pettiness of gacha players is super old
I just want to go back to the PlayStation vs Xbox days and the chill discourse in gamefaqs
I’m sorry that hex has been sucked into drama when she was just being herself and had her own morals and values , being criticized for such is dehumanizing
love her content, I’m glad to see her channel from and hope it will continue to explode for her genuine content
I like Calm Hex
Its chilling 😌
always interested with hex takes on current gacha topics, welcome to the internet where everyone have their own opinions 😂😂😂
I notice a lot of hate towards Mihoyo always seem to be focus purely on Genshin Impact. You can mention their other games and how they reward better than Genshin but some of these people think these games are run by the same development team that runs Genshin.
Game companies always have to create completely separate development teams to manage multiple games due to different development plans.
Ok, as a Wuthering Waves and PGR player who also played ZZZ for 2 days, here's my take on why there's such a deep divide in the discourse surrounding ZZZ. I know all the ZZZ defenders will say 2 days is not enough to judge the game, but it's my belief that ZZZ is unfairly judged, both positively AND negatively.
ZZZ starts off weak. I think Hex can agree to that. The combat felt restrictive (you had to build a meter for your E and share a Q between all characters). It gets better later on for sure, however the game did a very poor first impression with the TV and combat system. At no point in the early game people felt ZZZ combat had the *potential* to be good. It's either adequate or less. The haters will reference Hoyo's bad track record of making tough enemies and bosses and interesting spins on character mechanics, likely using PGR or Wuwa combat as display of what can be done, since Kuro games knows how to hook people into a combat system, triggering a back and forth where people all have their arguments.
The issue that ZZZ ran into was that the popular arguments to defend it is just straight up terrible. The amount of people latching on to the "fighting game inspiration" or "secret tech" buzzwords then show off something incredibly mediocre if not basic for both fighting games and action RPGs like Wuwa only serves to reinforce a false narrative that ZZZ combat is somehow super amazing because of "secret" inputs that amounts to very little other than easter egg in gameplay. It should have been judged for it's merit in the details put into the skills, how you can boost your damage doing certain skills and rotations. Everyone talks about how cool or flashy PGR combat is, but in the endgame it's actually a number crunching game, calculating timers, buffs, resistance shredding and rotations to keep those uptime. Why is no one talking about the similar for ZZZ? This is why IYO is controversial, he promotes a terrible narrative about how ZZZ should be judged and people rightly saw the nothing burger in his defense. Some additional tech that has limited use cases is no where near the complexity of fighting games, AND IT SHOULDN'T BE, this is a gacha game. Thanks to that, the big brains at ZZZ camp latches on to the wrong things, calling all critics as "button mashers" when clearly the critics are being hyperbolic about their mashing, and there are legitimate issues with the way ZZZ presented (or even designed) it's combat system, that made people felt the game was mashy even though I mashed just as hard in PGR sometimes.
All in all, the issues goes beyond just the things I talked about. There indeed is intense tribalism between communities, and some people think ZZZ do not deserve this success, and on the other side, people think it's unfair that ZZZ receives so much hate. Personally, I think at the moment, ZZZ is mid in terms of being a combat oriented experience, BUT there is NOTHING WRONG about liking it. The game's super polish, the animations and art direction is immaculate, the characters are endearing, it offers and easy to approach combat system for the casuals, and it made by a company that is sure to keep updating it. There's no reason to try and defend it's weaker combat system (that ramps up later and has additional depths) when it clearly was aiming to be more casual and is way better at other things than any other gacha games on the market right now.
Literally the "Who killed Hannibal" meme