To explain a little about the New South Wales Government Railways engine classification, they followed a numbering practice similar to GWR or TOPS, then a prefix letter of C, D (and AD), X or Z. So 3801 is the first of the C38 class of Pacifics, 5910 is the Tenth of the D59 class of Mikados, 6040 is the fortieth and contractually third last of the AD60 class of Double Mountains.... the Z's were the pre-Edwardian and Edwardian era classes of superseded models, some agglomeration of previous classification included (Z11-Z29).... X was the works, maintenance and duplicate listing (X10 class)... 40's were diesels.
An image search for "The Train Shed, Luddenham" should bring up photos of "Imposter James" and his friends, back when they had faces and copyright compliance. :)
While your in Australia come down to Victoria We have multiple mainline heritage tour operators Like steamrail victoria, 707 operations, seymor railway heritage centre and many more And if your quick enough you might be able to see the Ballarat 1 way back to Melbourne
I appreciate you visiting! Each state has their own railways, so you’ve only seen a patch of the railway heritage of the country. Admittedly, Australia’s preservation scene is not a patch on the UK
I think you should’ve also ahve gone to the paddle steamers that go down the Murray river and if you come back I recommend the Newport railway museum in Newport Melbourne also you should go to the queenscliff line its got a Aussie dowt that’s really fun but if you come in April or November i recommend the lake goldsmith steam rally I go every year it’s lots of fun
I really wish I knew you were down here, it would've been super awesome to meet up with you! I'll have to keep up to date next time so I know when you're next planning to come down under. I'd recommend heading through some of the country towns next time you visit, particularly of note are Cowra, home to the Lachlan Valley Railway which is currently attempting to bring the old rail line in the area back to operational condition so they can run heritage services and Junee which has the oldest still functional Roundhouse in the southern hemisphere.
As a Brit, I am a bit spoiled for seeing many beautiful and historic locomotives, but 3801 must be close to the top of the class in any match up. The thing I noticed though, was; her rebuild wasn't long ago, but they have decided - I think rightly - to repaint her in a darker, more elegant green. Not quite the green many of our locos are painted, but a very attractive, subtle and dignified green that befits a premier class loco like 3801. And as for seeing Garrets? I never saw the British Rail ones doing the circular coal runs to London, although I have seen British built ones in South Africa and they are awesome. I saw a RUclips of the Great Locomotive race, with 3801 and a very big Garret and that looked fabulous. Well done Australia, you are right to be proud of Oz' railway history.
3801 is painted in the bicentenial green she made her cross continent journey in. 6029 which was the second garret in your video is the operational one.
She is one of 18 such locos built locally by EMD which means she's a GM. All the locos spent the majority of their service days working in western NSW where they were renowned for the reliability in harsh desert like condtions and in their final years in Sydney. Some are preserved and others have been bought by private freight operators. The green and gold loco behind her is 4201 another GM and one of only six locos three of which have been preserved and they are 4201, 4204 and 4206 but only the two former ones have worked for any length of time in preservation.
The 'G with four stars' is the logo of General Steel Castings of Philadelphia, which made the locomotive frames for the 60 class Garratts, as well as the 38 class
Here's a B&W video for you Max showing what the railways of NSW looked like in 1968. The sound was recorded on a separate device powered by lead acid batteries and added to the footage after filming. Therefore it's genuine sound not dubbed in sound. We get to see how dirty the Garratts and other locos really were but that added to the charm of the railway in those far off days. ruclips.net/video/ePpG4tVHSMQ/видео.htmlsi=j3ERj_dN7LmvFUNt
When you visit Victoria visit Echuca it has River boats/ paddlesteamers then if your adventurous come to South Australia visit Pichi Richi Railway we have young Beyer Peacock engines here too
Max you wondered what it would be like to fire the Garratt. Well it would be a sit down job as they had an automatic stoker and here's a cab ride on the mainline from Tarana to Bathurst in 2018. The bloke who took the video was going to ask the crew how they fired and drove her but the hissing from the stoker jets was just too loud. The loco 6029 was classed as a "super Garratt" for she had like 6040 had enlarged cylinders and in her service days was dual controlled which enabled the crew to work her forward or reverse and always be facing the direction of travel. 6040 was regarded as a "light type Garratt" if something weighing 260 tons can be regarded as "light". 6040 was never fitted with dual controls. ruclips.net/video/79H50e5GT7E/видео.htmlsi=Kbb6QoNG-rp0Yd32
@8:33 its still so weird to see a EMD F7 that isnt in a american livery yes, those are american built, but its the aussie variant and again @15:21 a US Porter tank engine, but in austrailia
For clarification NSWGR No. 4201: 1. It's a A7 (later A16C) model. 2. It's not American-built. It's actually a licenced EMD copy built locally in Australia by Clyde Engineering of Granville, Western Sydney. As for Bronzewing, it looks like a H. K. Porter but once again, it's an Australian-built copy built by, once again, Clyde Engineering of Granville.
australia is a good place they have a really good railway unfortunately i didnt get too see any steam train (ive been to puffing billy aswell i am aussie)
Yeah, that's very much the two primary influences on design. Originally, it was 100% British, because as a colony of the Empire that's kind of the expected norm, and established all the fundementals of railway practise down here (not uniformly, I might add- each state/colony definitely had it's own take, which would create some logistical nightmares post-federation). through the interwar period, you start seeing more of a US influence in designs and operations, as around this time ex-pats from the states were becoming CME's and other director-level positions for respective state-owned railways and imparting their own experiences on their lines. Of course, US builders and had been used before then, but this is when some of the design and operation standards started to change (For example, implementing Air Brakes instead of Vacuum, AAR couplers replacing Chains, etc). It gets weird after WW2 and through dieselisation because of the UK strong-arming a Buy-British policy on Australia for infrastructure investments (which was loop-holed fairly regularly by getting local workshops to do the fabrication on US designs), but then the general trend towards locally-tailored, US-based designs continues to this day, purely because US makers built engines that met the haulage requirements down here.
As a resident of the state, kind of a yes and a no. Most of NSW's steam locomotives (both for New South Wales Government Railways and the industrial scene) are British-built with majority from Beyer, Peacock & Co. of Manchester (could say we were their biggest customer). As a result we took mostly from British practice (buffers, four-wheeled wagons like the J & A Brown-owned LCH hopper at 14:54) but we do have a few American locomotives. No. 4001 is an Alco model RSC-3 built in Canada but their success was shortlived and they were gone by December 1971 (for comparison, steam on NSWGR ended on 3rd March 1973) and while some like the EMD E8 (altered as NSWGR 42 and 421 classes) and Alco FA (NSWGR 44 class) found success while the British-built 41 class were just shit, with a habit of overheating. As for steam, the class that No. 5910 (timestamp 15:17) belongs to were built by Baldwin-Lima-Hamilton in the early-1950s as oil-burners due to a coal shortage and are based on the USATC S200 class, and are also the first locomotives ordered from the United States by NSWGR for over 50 years (the last ones were crap and made obsolete by 1924 under a reclassification scheme) and all but three of the 20 were converted to coal-firing. Three still exist (three coal, two oil) and I've seen four of them including 5910. The others are oil-burning 5908 + 5916 at Goulburn and coal-burning No. 5917, which is mainline operational.
Welcome to Australia I hope you visited The Puffing Billy Railway but doubt if you'd visit Tullah. We have 3801 you wanted to see. One thing too is you haven't tried singing a song Please Don't Call Me A Koala Bear.
To explain a little about the New South Wales Government Railways engine classification, they followed a numbering practice similar to GWR or TOPS, then a prefix letter of C, D (and AD), X or Z. So 3801 is the first of the C38 class of Pacifics, 5910 is the Tenth of the D59 class of Mikados, 6040 is the fortieth and contractually third last of the AD60 class of Double Mountains.... the Z's were the pre-Edwardian and Edwardian era classes of superseded models, some agglomeration of previous classification included (Z11-Z29).... X was the works, maintenance and duplicate listing (X10 class)... 40's were diesels.
You just made my day I love these engines and have rode in the garrat and 3801 and Australian hardly get any recognition on RUclips thank you so much
Hope you enjoyed our rail museum and all the other great heritage railway.
An image search for "The Train Shed, Luddenham" should bring up photos of "Imposter James" and his friends, back when they had faces and copyright compliance. :)
While your in Australia come down to Victoria
We have multiple mainline heritage tour operators
Like steamrail victoria, 707 operations, seymor railway heritage centre and many more
And if your quick enough you might be able to see the Ballarat 1 way back to Melbourne
Thank you for coming to visit our lovely country mate.
We hope you enjoyed visiting some of our great railways while on your holiday.
11:50 Not a gag i expected from one of your videos but still laughed.
Always expect the potato.
I appreciate you visiting! Each state has their own railways, so you’ve only seen a patch of the railway heritage of the country.
Admittedly, Australia’s preservation scene is not a patch on the UK
Yay you went to my home land I was all the way in Ballarat you should one here we got big engine like R711
Glad to know you enjoyed your trip. Happy to have helped with the insider knowledge about 3801. Looking forward to the next instalment!
Can’t believe Australia is real, I thought it was only in Bluey, jokes aside, great video I love Aussie locomotives
0:16 I'm Saving Money For Going To Australia Next Year In March 2025. Thanks Mate. X❤
4:13 Big Mickey got a new job
My home country! I wish I could meet you in person while you were down under.
10:30 ... he is always watching ... from above
I think you should’ve also ahve gone to the paddle steamers that go down the Murray river and if you come back I recommend the Newport railway museum in Newport Melbourne also you should go to the queenscliff line its got a Aussie dowt that’s really fun but if you come in April or November i recommend the lake goldsmith steam rally I go every year it’s lots of fun
I really wish I knew you were down here, it would've been super awesome to meet up with you!
I'll have to keep up to date next time so I know when you're next planning to come down under.
I'd recommend heading through some of the country towns next time you visit, particularly of note are Cowra, home to the Lachlan Valley Railway which is currently attempting to bring the old rail line in the area back to operational condition so they can run heritage services and Junee which has the oldest still functional Roundhouse in the southern hemisphere.
As a Brit, I am a bit spoiled for seeing many beautiful and historic locomotives, but 3801 must be close to the top of the class in any match up. The thing I noticed though, was; her rebuild wasn't long ago, but they have decided - I think rightly - to repaint her in a darker, more elegant green. Not quite the green many of our locos are painted, but a very attractive, subtle and dignified green that befits a premier class loco like 3801. And as for seeing Garrets? I never saw the British Rail ones doing the circular coal runs to London, although I have seen British built ones in South Africa and they are awesome. I saw a RUclips of the Great Locomotive race, with 3801 and a very big Garret and that looked fabulous. Well done Australia, you are right to be proud of Oz' railway history.
3801 is painted in the bicentenial green she made her cross continent journey in. 6029 which was the second garret in your video is the operational one.
You know 4916 looks a lot like one of diesel locomotives up at North Conway Scenic Railroad in the white mountains of New Hampshire
She is one of 18 such locos built locally by EMD which means she's a GM. All the locos spent the majority of their service days working in western NSW where they were renowned for the reliability in harsh desert like condtions and in their final years in Sydney. Some are preserved and others have been bought by private freight operators. The green and gold loco behind her is 4201 another GM and one of only six locos three of which have been preserved and they are 4201, 4204 and 4206 but only the two former ones have worked for any length of time in preservation.
The 'G with four stars' is the logo of General Steel Castings of Philadelphia, which made the locomotive frames for the 60 class Garratts, as well as the 38 class
12:58 I wonder how a Beyer Peacock engine ended up with components from General Steel
Here's a B&W video for you Max showing what the railways of NSW looked like in 1968. The sound was recorded on a separate device powered by lead acid batteries and added to the footage after filming. Therefore it's genuine sound not dubbed in sound. We get to see how dirty the Garratts and other locos really were but that added to the charm of the railway in those far off days.
ruclips.net/video/ePpG4tVHSMQ/видео.htmlsi=j3ERj_dN7LmvFUNt
12:41 RSD-1 my beloved
Aussie Aussie Aussie, OI OI OI 🇦🇺
Welcome to my country Max!
Funny story I have a friend who drove the 60.class and he said he got all 34 wheels in the dirt on a 3 way point
When you visit Victoria visit Echuca it has River boats/ paddlesteamers then if your adventurous come to South Australia visit Pichi Richi Railway we have young Beyer Peacock engines here too
I hope you enjoyed your visit.
Australia isn’t perfect, but I’m glad to call myself an Aussie. And the diverse railways are one of the reasons why.
You should visit Junee, they have a rather massive rail depot, and the Roundhouse Museum
11:03 lion moment
There's a twin museum to the Powerhouse with a saddle tank
And there's another loco at the powerhouse
also u should've went in october, there is a steam train that arrives at central station around noon.
Great video! You for sure need to visit Puffing Billy :)
here in australia we have a lot of steam engines that still do normal services
Can you please go to Puffing Billy In Victoria Australia Someday? I Would Love To Meet You In Person !
Most if not all of our engines were built overseas
Max you wondered what it would be like to fire the Garratt. Well it would be a sit down job as they had an automatic stoker and here's a cab ride on the mainline from Tarana to Bathurst in 2018. The bloke who took the video was going to ask the crew how they fired and drove her but the hissing from the stoker jets was just too loud. The loco 6029 was classed as a "super Garratt" for she had like 6040 had enlarged cylinders and in her service days was dual controlled which enabled the crew to work her forward or reverse and always be facing the direction of travel. 6040 was regarded as a "light type Garratt" if something weighing 260 tons can be regarded as "light". 6040 was never fitted with dual controls.
ruclips.net/video/79H50e5GT7E/видео.htmlsi=Kbb6QoNG-rp0Yd32
I like the stepney themes Flying Scotsman Australian Tour Headboard
Come ride the gulflander, its only a short trip
@8:33
its still so weird to see a EMD F7 that isnt in a american livery
yes, those are american built, but its the aussie variant
and again @15:21 a US Porter tank engine, but in austrailia
For clarification NSWGR No. 4201:
1. It's a A7 (later A16C) model.
2. It's not American-built. It's actually a licenced EMD copy built locally in Australia by Clyde Engineering of Granville, Western Sydney.
As for Bronzewing, it looks like a H. K. Porter but once again, it's an Australian-built copy built by, once again, Clyde Engineering of Granville.
Same country that Flying Scotsman did it's tour in 1988.
Gee, you don’t say😂
Great video, Max!
I’m Australian & my name Is Toby Carter 😉😎🚂🚃🚃
I’ve been on the 3801
I chuff in a land down under, where women glow and men plunder.
Next time maybe you could go to the national railway museum in port adelaide australia sa
I live 20 mins from thirlmere, its a cathedral aint it
Ayy lad I wonder if you're interested in seeing a 12-coupled tank engine?
australia is a good place they have a really good railway unfortunately i didnt get too see any steam train (ive been to puffing billy aswell i am aussie)
@terrier55stepney when are u coming to puffing billy??
21:18 hello
Don't Mind If I do. 11:51
Hey stepney i think that i know a railway that you can do a guide rail on !
Can you give a shoutout to the dunaskin heritage centre before they close?
come to the USA next
I'd like to, there's just an ocean in the way.
Don't worry you can just fly there :D
@@Terrier55Stepney if you do come tho, the east coast is slightly better than the west one.
awesome vlog
what was the song at 20:31 ?
That was you who derailed that train
Did you go to Melbourne?
Ah he derailed Barry
Nice Stepney its nice to watch you video's again Also is it just me or Australian Steam locomotives a mix of American and British designs?
Yeah, that's very much the two primary influences on design. Originally, it was 100% British, because as a colony of the Empire that's kind of the expected norm, and established all the fundementals of railway practise down here (not uniformly, I might add- each state/colony definitely had it's own take, which would create some logistical nightmares post-federation). through the interwar period, you start seeing more of a US influence in designs and operations, as around this time ex-pats from the states were becoming CME's and other director-level positions for respective state-owned railways and imparting their own experiences on their lines. Of course, US builders and had been used before then, but this is when some of the design and operation standards started to change (For example, implementing Air Brakes instead of Vacuum, AAR couplers replacing Chains, etc).
It gets weird after WW2 and through dieselisation because of the UK strong-arming a Buy-British policy on Australia for infrastructure investments (which was loop-holed fairly regularly by getting local workshops to do the fabrication on US designs), but then the general trend towards locally-tailored, US-based designs continues to this day, purely because US makers built engines that met the haulage requirements down here.
As a resident of the state, kind of a yes and a no. Most of NSW's steam locomotives (both for New South Wales Government Railways and the industrial scene) are British-built with majority from Beyer, Peacock & Co. of Manchester (could say we were their biggest customer). As a result we took mostly from British practice (buffers, four-wheeled wagons like the J & A Brown-owned LCH hopper at 14:54) but we do have a few American locomotives.
No. 4001 is an Alco model RSC-3 built in Canada but their success was shortlived and they were gone by December 1971 (for comparison, steam on NSWGR ended on 3rd March 1973) and while some like the EMD E8 (altered as NSWGR 42 and 421 classes) and Alco FA (NSWGR 44 class) found success while the British-built 41 class were just shit, with a habit of overheating.
As for steam, the class that No. 5910 (timestamp 15:17) belongs to were built by Baldwin-Lima-Hamilton in the early-1950s as oil-burners due to a coal shortage and are based on the USATC S200 class, and are also the first locomotives ordered from the United States by NSWGR for over 50 years (the last ones were crap and made obsolete by 1924 under a reclassification scheme) and all but three of the 20 were converted to coal-firing. Three still exist (three coal, two oil) and I've seen four of them including 5910. The others are oil-burning 5908 + 5916 at Goulburn and coal-burning No. 5917, which is mainline operational.
Welcome to Australia I hope you visited The Puffing Billy Railway but doubt if you'd visit Tullah. We have 3801 you wanted to see. One thing too is you haven't tried singing a song Please Don't Call Me A Koala Bear.
They have a climax.
Big mickey 4:13
Oh I don't like that
No it's not yv centered I don't like that is Thomas's face 11:33
I knew it.
IM IN AUSTRALIA
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