STAR TREK ONLINE - DOES IT SUCK?
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- Опубликовано: 18 июл 2020
- Originally uploaded on Rowan J Coleman's main channel, this video is a deep dive into Star Trek Online and if it's any good. My long winded rant/analysis of the definitively titled, Star Trek Online. Is it actually any good? And to fans of the game, I promise I have positive things to say as well.
Additional gameplay footage courtesy of "Justice Plays" and "Winter Games."
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As someone who's played on and off since release this game still holds a special place in my heart. The first mmo I actually loved. I just wish they hadn't gotten rid of the Foundary. Some of the best missions I played were player created.
ITS DELETED?
This was the Best Review of this game on YT. Deserves more views!
You have to slow down to 1/4 or 2/4 impulse or you can use an engineering power up for your ship turn rate to increase.
You are the first one to give more of positive comment to ground combat rather than to space combat and, suprisingly, I can agree on some of the points. Makes me rethink...
What no one really credits this game for is how *free to play* it actually is.
You get access to all of the story content FOR FREE!!!!
There are very few F2P MMO games out there where that is true.
Yes, it still has lockboxes and ingame stores, but most all of it is cosmetics and more ship designs and as a F2P game it's given that it is in there. But it doesn't limit you from playing the whole of the game!
It was this way, before the rebalance. Now with my primary character, I can sorta get through the whole story which has a T6+ ship that you normally have to pay for.
With my other characters not quite as blessed? I can't get past the Vaadwaur missions.
They made it so you have to pay to get past a certain point in the story now. Not unusual for F2P games.
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Great video and if I’m honest you are absolutely right on many topics you mentioned in this video
When I first started playing I was overwhelmed by all there was to take in and understand after playing and engaging with the community I meet players joined fleets and that helped me further within my game
As regards to lockboxes I have spent hundreds and hundreds of pounds on this game for zen store ships and lockbox keys yeah ok I’ve won a few ships but lost more than won
I still play and still enjoy the game and I’m more focused on the pvp side of things which if you thought the main part of the game was a challenge you wait till you try pvp now that’s a whole new ball game
Thanks a lot for the video! I've heard about the game a few times and since it's now in the Epic Game store I looked for some impressions of the game. Your video did just that, and more, as a fellow Star Trek fan I especially enjoyed your perspective on the storytelling the game has to offer.
@Kainos Teleos Thanks for the recommendation. Unfortunately, I am currently having a hard time getting into games that require a lot of organisation. I'll keep Star Trek Online in mind though if I feel better sometime.
HARBINGER!!! Oh god, the nostalgia!!!
Loved that game!
15:25 I just played that mission a few days ago and giggled at the plethora of chairs in that conference room, with that one Klingon sitting above the rest like Q putting them on trial. I'm glad to see that was a bug two years ago that they never fixed.
Turn rate of the ship as well as other characteristics depends on the kind of engine you put on your ship according to your level and to the apropiate ship console.... Also the model of the ship affects this, some are faster or slower than others
I can't wait to see your take on Warframe. I've been addicted to it for several years now.
I had a choice of spending my "spare time" on Star Trek Online or Warframe, and gave Warframe a go as it was something unfamiliar. That was 4 years ago and I sort of forgot to go back and give STO a try :)
Lol I play both games 😂
Great episode. Would luv to hear an indepth video on other star trek games. I know u haven't played them all but I think it would be fun to see what u think of stuff like starfleet academy or armada for example. I know u have done a video on star trek games before but seeing u play these games for the first time would be fun 😊x
We're planning on doing videos on Elite Force and Star Trek (2013)
@@SideAdventure yay👍x
I find STO to be generally well-written and designed. Is it perfect? Not at all. It especially shows its age as a 10-year-old game in its engine, and it does have a number of potentially game-breaking bugs that Cryptic really should fix, but it is still very playable and engaging. Its playerbase is active and dedicated. And best of all it really does give you everything you need for free. It's also one of the few games to allow you to walk and fly around, and it has an incredibly high degree of customization to your character, your BOFFs, and your ship. At least if you're Starfleet. The KDF side really does need more love. I would genuinely be curious to see what Cryptic could do if they rebuilt STO using a modern engine, from scratch, essentially, so there wouldn't be any bugs. But they have said on stream a number of times they are a small team, and can only focus on new content or a rebuild, but not both. I think they just don't want to rebuild. Though it is true they are a smaller team, not like SEGA who can do new content for PSO2 while also rebuilding it and making an all-new game to attach to it.
Well they use their own Cryptic Engine in house and upgrade and adjust it themselves. They are making graphical improvements all the time you just dont really notice them because it's happening little by little.
@@honeybadger9425 well as someone who is playing the game after a year I can tell you it does make a big difference of real well because the game looks so clean right now
The Fallen Empire ships in Stellaris kinda look like the Iconian ships.
I still play STO on and off whenever I'm on a Star Trek binge or mood. It just helps capture some of the feel of wanting to live in that world, and I appreciate the genuine love for the franchise that's clearly deep in the Dev team. It's kind of all I need it to be.
That said, I am easy prey to pay for new ships for any character I make and I'm really only prevented from buying more because of my budget...
I feel like a star trek game that expands on the mechanics of space crew would be really good.
No Mans Sky, Star Citizen, Elite Dangerous - Why is ST NOT doing all the things?
If anyone is woundering, now on 2024, if you want a really ~fun~ Online Multi/Singleplayer MMO to just pick up and play on your own way, this is it. You can literally play this alone without having to worry about other people unles you are in very specific Elite co-op missions, so you can just enjoy everything the game has to offer without the downsides of a MMO.
You can customize the difficulty on pretty much anything, including co-op missions, and the game follows your pace, not the other way around.
Also there are a ton of events still going for this game, lots of them give fresh new ships for players to have fun with and all you have to do is just play the game and when you can pay for some stuff on it, it don't feel forced nor bad since you can clearely see the efforts they did on making and keeping this game the way it is today.
TL:DR
Totally worth to play it on 2024.
It does indeed take awhile to understand how the game works. In order to optimize your gear, especially on your ship, you need to understand what each one does, essentially, and the game doesn't exactly tell you that. Fortunately there are tutorial videos, and an active community who will stop making Gorn jokes and talking politics to help you. I generally look at DPS and effect descriptions, and generally do fairly well. Even against Vaaduar, Voth, and Iconians, who are meant to be the toughest adversaries in the game.
I understand your gripe against ships with low Turn Rates, since I share them. So I tend to choose ships with higher turn rates, or add consoles that increase them, so I can use more agile ships. I hate the fact that my dreadnoughts seem to take forever to turn or stop, so I modify them with turn rate and speed consoles and gear. They're still not great, but they're better. Same goes for Engineering consoles that help with damage resistance, combined together with bridge officer abilities. How you build your ship does affect its survivability, however you do _not_ need to switch weapon energy types for different enemies.
The most critical thing to understand about weapon energy types is not what they can do, it's that mixing energy types splits the buff you can get from the tactical consoles. One of the biggest mistake to make is mixing energy types. Yes, some consoles grant buffs to beam weapons or projectile weapons instead of specific energy types, however you get bigger buffs from gear that are specific to a single type. Choosing one single energy type and equipping gear that buffs that will optimize your ship in battle, however understand that with each subsequent console with the same buff, the effect deteriorates logarithmically, so they don't stack simply. This is reflected in your ship stats, which are visible any time.
While there are different subtypes of each energy weapon, they all basically do the same thing at root. Phasers can offline a system. Polaron can offline a subsystem. Plasma and antiproton do additional damage. Disruptors and tachyon affect shields. Each of these weapons are equally viable against all enemies, and the choice comes down to a player's personal style. I generally choose phasers because I try to keep the enemy offline so they can't respond as quickly to my attacks. The best versions of a weapon are also often available through the boxes you get from doing the Reputation System.
Yes, there are many currencies. EC is the basic one and lets you buy basic ones. You need Expertise for training, and Marks for fleet and reputation projects. Dilithium is used for some things as well, and can be exchanged for the publisher's currency, zen, meaning you don't need to pay a cent to play this game and access paid content.
If you are not satisfied with the Tier 1-5 ships the game gives you for free (and I'm not), you can participate in the game's events to get about 3 Tier 6 ships for free. You can also pay zen to get individual ships or bundles from the C-store, which unlock for every character on your account. Even ones you create later. I avoid lockboxes, because the chances of getting a ship are practically non-existent, but if someone gives me a key I will likely use it. The alternative is, of course, to sell it on the Exchange for EC. Some T6 ships can also be purchased there. You can list up to 40 items on the Exchange at a time for 1 week or so, and there is no commission to be paid, so even as a new player you can make good EC this way.
This is the only MMO that I have ever played and kept playing. I finally woke up and quit playing about 3 years ago and I've been happier since. I spent entirely too much money on it and I regret every penny spent honestly.
The tactic of beating down shields then hammering them with torpedoes does work if you do it correctly. My Retrofit Enterprise D had pretty powerful dual Tetryon beams at the front, and I used them with buffts to increase their power, so I could charge a ship, strip the forward shields then a few torpedos later have them down to 60% health. Then just circle around and broadside them while the abilities are on cooldown.
Eventually I got fed up with the game though, as combat was usually fight 3 medium ships, then fight a strong ship, then fight 3 medium ships, etc etc.
I'd like to push back on Star Trek being a 'cheep show' It was actually pretty expensive for a TV show. That's why it was initially cancelled back in the day. Similarly, from Next Gen onwards the show had a decent budget going forward, though again, you have to adjust it for it being a TV show and not a movie.
There's actually a LOT more strategy here than you think. You've touched on exactly the bare basics of how the game works, and what they teach you in the tutorial(s). There's levels deeper than that. Re: Lockboxes: There's also a lot of free stuff and you don't HAVE to use lockboxes. Re: Labyrinthine Interface: MMOs have an interface problem because the original interface gets built on top of 5-10 times over as the game evolves, but no one ever takes the dev time to go back and re-work the interface. It sucks, but that's just an MMO problem.
I've been playing STO on and off since it went free to play in 2011, and I remember how broken and badly written it was back then. It felt like game had been given the most broken toys and no writing team and told to build a game out of that. The quality of the game really seemed to pick up after Atari (owners of Cryptic at the time) sold the studio to Perfect World Entertainment and the release of Legacy of Romulus and playable Romulans soon after. A friend use to do a Star Trek podcast and would often interview people involved in the game and they knew their system was difficult but trying to fix it was like trying to change the wheel on a speeding car.
Agreed. Started playing this game when it was still in beta, and the change from then is day and night.
Also the fact that it is offering all of the story content and you can play it as a free singleplayer game is far and beyond the best thing about it.
"Like Trying to Change the Wheel on a Speeding Car" is exactly the description of MMO game development and programming.
Amazing is that this game works as well as it does considering it was made off the bones of a far older game: Champions Online, which had nothing to do with space at all.
It's the same (but a later version) engine as CO uses, though saying it's the same "bones" is a bit off. CO itself's engine was created based on Cryptic's original "City of Heroes" engine.
They should just give it a vr mode for quest, pc and psvr cross play
Mabye its just me, but I got the feeling that you could link almost everything that happens up to the iconian war on the iconians. Just like you could say that that the Shadows from B5 was behind everything, like the earth civil war and telepath war
They actually went in this direction with the delta agent drop
I am not a Trekkie and I love this game. The interface has grown, it became complex if you didn’t start today but 10 years ago. Ahh well.
I was put off when I beamed into a space station early in the game and couldn't get back to my ship again. All I wanted to do was explore 🙂
Hey great video! I hope you do that video on Warframe one day :D
I was interested in this game cuz I loved Deep Space Nine and Voyager. At first I liked it but I got burned out quick cuz of the lack of choice in terms of missions and episodes. Compared to WoW, at least when I was playing WoW I had a choice of what quests I could do next or what zone I could go to.
I wish caprica had an online game :(
Are you talking about Galactica because it does deserve a newer game I have the OG xbox game but my gosh is it dated
0:29: "Your vital essence will be equally soft!" Not sure where that taunt was going, but it sounds rather personal...! :D
Bought the collectors edition. Had a ton of fun in the early days. One thing that always bothered me was that space flight wasn't in 3D space. Well, at least I got a nice t-shirt out of it :)
Really good review, covered a lot of good information. I'm a huge trekkie but I don't know if I want to play this game or even spend the time to download and try it.
The good thing is you don't have to spend any money on it to get access to all of the story content if you want to try it.
If you are indeed a huge trekkie, I think it deserves your try.
Take it from another huge trekkie ;)
@@swedishtrekkie guess I'll have to give it a try. I bought the collectors edition on clearance from Walmart many years ago and still have it. I believe I used it to register an account way back then.
@@sammikinsderp In that case there may be some special items you can claim.
Either way, the game is as free to play as it states.
I'd recommend playing the beginning of all the main factions (Federation, Romulan and Klingon) as they are all good in their own right before you choose which character you want as your main for the rest of the storylines.
@@swedishtrekkie Thank you very much for the information! ❤️
@@sammikinsderp No worries :)
Hope you'll like the game!
The early point & click adventures wer efor their time actually very good. Actually expanded some of the Star Trek lore (i.e. defined some alien speicies that were only talked about before) had for their time extremly good production value (the version with audio had the original cast usually unheared of for adaptations at the time). Looking from today it might seem strange but point and click adventures were really modern back then and the Star Trek ones were accepted as very well done ones.
In regards to Star Trek Online. I tried it for a bit but yea even for a Trek nerd like me it just doesn't work.
7:50-when I last played the game, I opened a lockbox with some in-game-currency bought Zen by way of DL, and the damn Voth city Ship popped out. Not needing to fly something that looked like a sex toy, sold it off and doubled my EC count.
I’ve played a few hours of the game ,I got bored so I stopped playing,but what you’ve told me about the later arcs I might actually give the game another shot
I loved this game - 3 "top level" toons on Fed and Klingon side, it was / is a lot of fun.
I hated the officer (trading card) game they brought in. I noped out (this was originally a subsription title).
Play the game, or figure out Dilithum trading....
I'm tempted to try it again, but I know those Cryptic / Perfect World mechanics still exist - yay welcome back, now give us some money!
Maybe I'll try and look past the lockboxes and keys.
This game is awesome but was ruined (for me) by it's pay to win mechanics.
(I was a paid subscriber for 2 years).
Have you played “Nexus: The Jupiter Incident”? I’d love to know your thoughts, as I really liked it. Not a brilliant game but enjoyable and still seems to hold up today. You should also check out the BSG mods for it, great fun.
There are some pretty good Star Trek mods for it, too.
Been playing through it recently
Sidequest a video on it coming soon then?
At some point yes :)
you need a lot of kinetic resistance against vaadwuar, they are really nasty end game enemies. and brace for impact for those big AOE attacks.
yes. i hate them too
I played this game in 2017 I got to the end of the game. Grinded a ton of money with a bugged quest. (it should be fixed bye now). I would spend that money on quest items and needed items buy them on the in game market all then put the price up 300% I made so much money. I haven’t played in forever
Hmm.. this video helps to get me thinking of playing this game...despite I'm a star wars fan.
It's so sad that both STO and SWOTOR are being handled so poorly when they could be industry-dominating MMOs with competent developers. I think there's some potential that No Man's Sky will eventually become what they should have been, but I hope we get a true space MMO in our lifetimes.
another idea personal random tfo ques but as I said before the ai's but going for the objective then you can progress to elete difficulty with ur ai's and turn patrol into a warzone and bump up the dill to but 1 single ship boring
They really need to clean up the UI. That has been a problem for years.
I just started a playthrough on my channel, played on console for years but the pc experience is way better
They should really tone down over the top flashy graphic effects, and nerf beams fire at will skill, a lot.
I put over 100 hours in STO and I have to agree, it kinda sucks. It ultimately feels more like a Star Trek toybox, in how chaotic and unfocused and overly self-referential it gets. It does have its bright moments, but those moments are just part of a very messy and uneven whole. It's great if you wanna just jump in and start blasting your favorite Star Trek baddies with your favorite Star Trek ships (that you might have to pay for) and dress up your crew in your favorite Star Trek uniforms (that you might have to pay for), but I wouldn't go in expecting a coherent Star Trek experience
It's an mmo complicated ui is kind of a staple of the genre
happy tenno noises :3
your right but the you learn a whole lot on tactics based on being a fab and watching each series countless of times.
Idk, maybe I'm just playing it wrong. I love Star Trek, it's lore, everything. But after trying this game about 3-4 times over the last decade, it's just, boring...
Yes it's tooooo grinding
"[Blank] is up to no good" Literally describes the entire franchise and... almost all forms of work really.
I have played Stop console for 5 years. The end game content is decent but they you start getting into pvp...save your time and money. This game is fun but it take alooooot of time and money to catch up..I mean about a grand.
Where is Sulu's office??
Then what ever you guys thank they should do with the rank admiral to the ai's I guess let them do your admiralty as I said your guys ideas on admiral for the ai but captain definitely let them piolet a ship along by your side
I wish they would restructure the game where you receive a ship and can only modify it's systems slightly. Where the customization should be focused on is your crew and their efficiency to use those systems.
The Enterprise D was not going through constant gear load out changes or using other alien races technology. Star Trek has always been about a top notch crew using their skills and intelligence to overcome a situation.
And it would also be nice if diplomacy was integrated more instead of always engaging in combat. The Federation pretty much is genocidal in this game and they even have accolades for destroying thousands of ships.
Star Trek will never suck, only that which is not Star Trek sucks! Except StarGate and Andromeda and BattleStar and DarkMatter and TheExpanse and Firefly ... basically StarWars is the only one that sucks!
I mean, star wars is way more popular than star trek... the sequels do suck tho
The way I break it down is... I LOVE Star Trek, I really like playing video games especially rpgs, yet this game is not that fun. I should love the crap out of this game but It is more tedious with little reward or payoff... I think to push the sales of digital goods.
I know what you mean. Some of the mechanics really are a slog.
Haha, i didnt see your post. Would just left the thumb lol
I think its gone very stale... same shit month after month... I miss the the huge season story arcs... also think its geared up to make you spend spend spend, which I dont mind if it would be worth spending on... plus it needs its graphic engine seriously updating.. might be worth starting over Star Trek online 2.0
What I disliked about Star Trek Online is that you are stuck with other peoples crappy version of Star Trek.
As a stickler for canon and recreating authentic uniforms/ships its...jarring to see someone running around with a pink/purple uniform farting fireworks and taking off in a neon blue colored Enterprise. At least that's how it was the last time I played, no clue if that still exists or if you can limit what you see.
Also the game is very heavy on stats. For casual players its difficult to enjoy without blowing up every few missions, especially if all you want to do is have a phaser/photon old school type ship.
Bro spoiler warning
It does.
I am a dyed in the wool Star Trek fan since childhood and no other franchise has ever more deserved a kick ass award winning game more than this one ...but STO is the WORST game I have ever played. It is dreadful from every angle. It was a total disappointment.
Has your opinion changed in the 4 years since this video was made?
This game is a 2 decade old relic. A dead game kept afloat by a shell dev team being funded by Chinese investors in order to milk more money from fans of the franchise.
No!!!
If you play his mostly alone it will suck
Best benefits of playing with others is role playing
I found the console version much easier when it came to menus
Yaa with out having ship's you own by your side ya gittin boring I mean o hay new toon or o hay new t6 what's the point besides the Building part or but wen your done your stuc at what elce nothing but if you can have ship fleet slots opens within your own toon a Chance to bild those ships and see them in combat and we're the you can use the dpad down to switch ships good idea there and here the toons you have have an option to Link them to your main then there not discarded there ai's now saveing the lobi ships or toon but got to grind to git more ship fleet slots but it's an idea I .
You might try playing the game past just leveling before making a review video. The ship and ground builds are extremely indepth and I can tell by watching your space combat that you really didn't experience any of the games "end game" at all.
What end game. There has never been any end game. Well, unless you count only doing a single TFO over and over again end game lol. STO is centered around whales thats it.
interesting take; that a star trek game had to much star trek stuff in it...
The complaint, as I parsed it, was that a _Star Trek_ game had too much rehashed (as opposed to original) content in it. It's a kind of flip side, though, to the big fish in a small pond (TV show main cast member) turning out to be almost as large a fish in the ocean.
This game is really enjoyable for me, and I don't even like scfi
it doesn't ^^
Thank you, for calling PWE/CRYPTIC out on their RUTHLESSLY ARROGANT BULLSHIT! (The 'Curse' of 'LOCKBOX'/'PROMOTIONAL' game items)
cryptic is nothing but a shell of a dev team kept afloat by Chinese investors.
@@calebb7012 Man oh man! That sadly, and painfully, explains a lot!
What I'm saying it does to suk till they add those ideas in the comments
They added V'ger to the game lol
Wow i can't believe you just said that ground combat is better than space no player says that and complaining about lock boxes when cryptic gives away 3 to 4 tier 6 ships a year for free and you were bad at the game very bad your power levels were way to low you mixed energy weapon types you weren't using all your weapons your ships gear sucked
IKR what a noob
How about instead of blasting him for not understanding the game, you give him some tips and help him to understand?
@@BNuts no because he made a video trashing the game without doing any research or asking anybody for help
@@elvangulley3210 He didn't exactly _trash_ the game. Most of the video praised it. But not asking for help _is_ completely on him. Of course, we could see this video as him asking for help. So why not give it so he can play properly and reassess the game?
@@BNuts he said he was told putting weapons power at full power helps but then disregarded it because him as a new player knew best so he isn't interested in advice he could have reached out to top sto youtubers and parsers to help with his vid but didn't
I still have the T-shirt somewhere I got from the collectors edition at launch. But yeah this game pretty much sucks.
Wow nearly everything I here’d is wrong and was wrong for 2years
The balencing is shit you’re right but in the upperset it is way to ez to vape out intime fleets with a single player ship
To bad that you not shared time with other players that’s the most Importen part of an mmorpg and then you would have seen how wrong you was/are
I got to the 2:32 mark & had to stop. This person clearly has no idea about the game. Yes, the turn rates are slow at first, but that changes depending on what ship you have, abilities, & equipment. The strategy is not out the window, it is the core of a person’s play. So many things go into how a battle is won. 🤦🏻♀️
Targeting and mashing cool downs, kinda sounds like world of warcraft, which is horribly disappointing.
Loot boxes :(
Getting to walk around DS9 ... I'm just about sold.
The problem with combat balance in this game in general is that if you don't have a decent build, it's really tough, and there are a lot of odd difficulty spikes, like the Vaadwaur. The Vaadwaur are the first real modern enemy in terms of how they were designing things at the time. By that point, how to "build" a character had been completely figured out, so anyone with a decent understanding of the game was on the same footing. With them, the Tzenkethi, etc, you need a strong build, but beyond that, WHAT your build is doesn't matter as long as it's a good one, what matters is how you play against them. Sounds like your build just wasn't very good when you did this video. That's not a knock on you, quite the opposite. The way the game TELLS you to build versus the way the game EXPECTS you to build, are as far apart as Earth Spacedock and the fucking Ocampa homeworld.
Wait why’s this channel called Side Adventure?? I came from the movie channel expecting Side Quest… not adventure…. What a disappointment
Ah, this is a bit too spoilerific lol
Far from perfect game, but Jeez man, have you ever played more then 1 hour with the game?If it that were so, you wouldn’t talk so much stupidity, half information. Please leave the STO game review, to those who understand it.
Spoiler: it's an MMO so yes it sucks.
It does suck!
aw poor baby, the games too intricate for you. Maybe try fortnite out, i hear that ones nice and easy and simple
You should reach out to casual sab or 1800brokensoul.. They can break down this game 🎮 as fun or grindy it can be.. Meta,Free to play & Budget builds