Schlage secretary: LPL has a video on our lock. Schlage exec: Oh My God - don't tell me - what was it? A toothpick? A fork? Schlage Secretary: No - proper single pin picking, over a 4 minute video. Schlage exec: Quick! Call the shop floor - we need to increase production five-fold!
Yes but they are following the money trail bean counters, not comments on this or Bosnian bills yt channel, unfortunately. What is the real number ratio of good vs junk locks getting picked aside from plain smashed, it would be interesting to know, as it's quite a small group that actually pick or lock smith.
LPL’s scaling for pick resistance: 1. Inexcusable design flaw 2. Susceptible to a relatively low skill raking attack 3. At least some effort was made but won’t slow down an experienced picker for very long 4. Better than expected but won’t keep out an experienced picker for more than a few minutes 5. Not too difficult a pick but more than sufficient to ward off casual theft [or “to keep out a curious adolescent,” if a gun lock], especially considering its price point
@@cmotdibbler4454 It's not "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY" it's "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY" with the new line implying a full stop. the back says "BACK M18 A1 APERS MINE"
If someone trying to gain access to your home is willing to break something to get in, you've done all you could. At that point, it's probably faster for them to smash a window or kick in the door. Destructive entry also means that your insurance company has to acknowledge you were broken into.
For people asking about the "this side to door" - when you are installing the device, you are only installing that metal plate on your door first. Both sides are very similar when out of the box. So it's very helpful to see which side goes against the door 😉
@@k1mgy No, their damn plate is incredibly easy to put on with the wrong side facing the door - in fact, the side which should face the door looks much more as if it should face out.
"This side to door" reminds me of the old joke about morons laying sod on a lawn and their supervisor periodically leaning out the window to yell "Green side up!"
I'm not that into lockpicking either, but I use this channel to learn what techniques are resistant so I can equip my own locks accordingly. Most of my picking has been to get used locks without keys apart so I can key them as I wish.
I feel like it's been an eternity since I've seen you actually pick and disassemble a lock. Love the new method for removing the key pins as well. Thank you.
As a person who has a type of lock like this, it's actually very helpful. It's actually just a metal plate you install first and both sides look very similar, so it's nice to know which side gets pressed to the door first.
Its probably meant for the people in assembly just so they know which side goes where when putting it together. Seems like they just added it to the cast template.
I wanted to see this video to see his opinion on it. Security is about hardening a target so it's not the easy one. There's always a way through for unauthorized access, but how much effort and skill does it take? Some effort is good enough for most homes.
Well, Schlage created a good lock from what I could see, all those spools and drill resistance. Just because LPL can pick it in x amount of time, don't mean its crap. He's a flippin pro-expert-champ lock picker...its a decent lock...good on ya Schlage!
I have this exact lock on my reloading room door to keep the kids out. I'm not to worried about pick resistance yet, as I've not heard my 5 year old say "click out of 3, 4 is binding" yet.
Some years ago I went on a repair call on an Medeco/Adams Rite mortice lock that had the door frame drilled at the lock flip arm.. At the time I thought the person should just go and get a job in a lock shop.
This is the same lock that was used on the final door in an escape room I hosted once. We did have instructions not to pick the locks, not that anyone tried. It would defeat the purpose of the game and I think it would be a bit financially unwise to pay 25 bucks a head for 40 seconds of lockpicking. Also if getting out of the room fast is your goal there was an emergency door that was unlocked in case of fires, claustrophobia etc. The only time I saw someone get close to using that door was this couple who according to their conversation had spent the day engaging in large amounts of wine tasting and enchiladas. This had a significant biological effect on the husband and he was vigorously crop-dusting his wife with farts that sounded like Chewbacca reading sad poetry. Low, mournful, moan-like rumbles that went on for an uncomfortable amount of time. They had to have been fairly loud since our microphones weren't that good. After about the 5th groan of intestinal trombone solos she was threatening to leave and let him do the room himself. They eventually made it through, no doubt their eyes stinging while trying to read the clues that would free them from the ghost of enchiladas past. I can see that being a strategy to give your team motivation to solve the puzzles quicker, it just seems a little cruel. At least since I hosted that round I got to give the other guy a can of Glade and have him reset the room.
This is probably one of the greatest comments I have ever read on the Internet. Thank you for your contribution to society. 👏 Forever etched into my brain will be images of rumbling rectal blasts of sad Wookie poetry and hauntings of dearly departed enchiladas from beyond the anus.
@@EnjoyCocaColaLight Depends on the core. Most cores cannot be bricked so unless your pick snaps inside you are good. Also this core is fairly easy to replace as you can see.
DONT, not to one that's in use. If someone does pick the lock to break in, you'd have a tough time explaining to the insurance company forensics why it had been picked twice. And every time you pick a lock, it can put wear on the lock that will make it easier for a thief to pick it too. If you are really curious, buy a replacement core from the same supplier and play with that.
Ffs. The lock comes in three pieces that need to be assembled. The "this side to door" sticker is on a metal plate that looks similar from either side, but can only be installed one way. And I can confirm that it was helpful.
Clicked this vid pretty quick because I installed two similar to this model at work. I’m not worried because I am pretty sure the only person who would try to pick this would be me, but I know all the codes too.
My main disappointment with this lock is you can only set a 4 digit combo ie 10000 'differs' and is reduced if you have multiple combos (factory sets 3 and you can set several more. You can cancel or change any of them). The only person likely to pick the cylinder is a locksmith called to a lockout and he might use a bump key anyway. I was relieved that the only 'issue' was he picked it, I wondered at first if he had found some other compromise.
Thanks for going back to your roots... I miss the non Amazon, non stupidly made locks... Don't get me wrong it's fun to know exploits, and how to find your own...
People really need to remember how advanced LPL is at lock picking. A 50 second lock for him is going to be much much more difficult for the rest of us.
I feel like this channel can be compared to vapes, they say it’s meant to help people stop smoking but it ended up getting people into smoking. And they say this channel is meant to improve locks but it probably just gets more people into breaking into places
@@kallewirsch2263 Yup, they made it well enough that it was able to resist a low-skill raking attack, which is more than a lot of these sorts of locks he's showed on this channel.
It's good enough in most cases for residential security. It's unlikely that a random thief who happens upon your door will be able to bump the lock open. If they really want in your house and their bump key doesn't work, they will look for other weaknesses in your security. Open window? Pet door? Unlocked cellar door? Odds are they'll move on if those attacks are not viable. If they still want in, they'll try kicking in a door or breaking a window. Steel reinforced door frame , Security film/grating on the windows, and they still want in - and haven't already alerted you, your neighbors, and/or your alarm company of the break-in attempt? Then, and only then will they most likely pull out their medium hook and tensioner.
I find it funny they felt it necessary to imprint "This side to door" on the mounting plate. If that part of the install was confusing, maybe one should just concentrate on remembering to breathe, rather than installing a lock.
i dunno maybe it was for the actual designers considering they'd be the type of people to forget edit: oh i guess its alright, the designers have some intelligents
As a person who has a type of lock like this, it's actually very helpful. It's actually just a metal plate you install first and both sides look very similar, so it's nice to know which side gets pressed to the door first.
I suspect that's meant not to differentiate the front of this lock from the back but to differentiate this lock from a similar-looking wall-mounted model.
As a person who has a type of lock like this, it's actually very helpful. It's actually just a metal plate you install first and both sides look very similar, so it's nice to know which side gets pressed to the door first.
I'd like to know your thoughts on the electronic part of the lock. Since this uses a KIK cylinder, if the electronics are worthy it would potentially be useful for other keyways.
A weakness of this style lock (though not electronic in nature) is that over time the code becomes significantly revealed as the screen printing on the buttons eventually begins to wear through (there is a clear coat to slow the wear, but it does not resist wear forever) if the keypad is heavily used after about 3-5 years (such as your main entry door in a multi person household). It is especially problematic with the older versions that only permitted 4 digits as after several years it would become increasingly obvious which digits were used, and how much they were used (e.g. a digit most heavily worn likely appeared twice in a code), versus which digits weren’t. Of course, if you never clean the buttons then dirt can give such away much sooner still, but that is easily remedied with the occasional wipe down. I used a similar older style Schlage deadbolt for about 10 or 12 years and on our main entry door I believe I went through 2, maybe even 3, exterior keypads in that time due to the digits becoming revealed on the most heavily used code. I’ve since changed to a newer style Schlage that uses a touch sensitive keypad (rather than buttons) with the numbers protected under clear textured plastic (for wear protection and easy cleaning) and which now supports 6 digit codes and that has performed much better so far.
@@ethanpoole3443 I use this for an Airbnb. It's been installed for about 8 months. I change the code so ea h guest gets a new unique one. Also the master code is longer and different than the entry code. There has been zero wear to date.
Looks like unknowingly I have chosen a better lock for my home! Better as in no security sponge, cannot be picked with a spoon, twig, fork looking at it etc.,
@@greendryerlint ...is a phrase often uttered in hospitals. (Yes, I know that superglue is actually a really good last-ditch option for major cuts. Let me have my joke.)
That's genuine praise. Understand that LPL has become one of the *best* at picking locks. If he's picking your lock, odds are it won't stand a chance unless you're shelling out major, major, major money to secure something. Most people need something that bars casual attacks. Unfortunately, many still don't, as LPL as shown with wave rakes, forks, spoons, and so on. But when he runs into a lock which requires genuine picking, at least these days, and which has false gates and interesting pins, and which doesn't claim to be pick-proof, he recognizes that an effort was made to make this pick-resistant
@@meh9682 -- Buying. I own a bunch of rental properties. However, after some looking on eBay, it's cheaper to get some parts from wholesale suppliers. A lot of eBay sellers have stupid prices.
@@pmgodfrey The sellers don't have stupid prices, the bidders have stupid maximums, often because they found out that someone on e-bay is talking about what they bought on e-bay, and the bidder can't help themselves, they just Have to Have That Item. It usually is a spike that looks like a fresh game console got released...
This exact lock is on my door, I'm glad it wasn't opened with a spoon and it wasn't just raked open. I need a better core unless the LPL finds a weakness in the electronics and can open it with a hair brush, then I'll need a new lock.
"I picked this up as part of a large lot of lock parts on Ebay, so I don't have a key to it". Huh hh Huh Huhh ….It's in the hands of the LockPickingLawyer!
Pffff. I worked for Schlage for 10 years & was the Mfg Eng for cylinders. I also was part of the team who helped bring the 1st Gen. to market. I even have an electronic keypad on my door. What you did was no different than picking any brand of residential lock, aka crap lock. Your skills in lock picking imply it's a bad design but these locks are for residential use a & are built for lower cost. They offer a false sense of security, see 'bump key'. What I did was to remove the driver bar from the cylinder & added a blocking disk for the reach thru. Good luck picking it now to gain entrance. Won't happen ! What if the battery dies ? It lets you know when the battery needs to be changed. I can also use the garage door keypad. If you want real security, use a $$$ Primus cylinder ! I have those too but I got mine for free. You'd impress the world if you can pick a Primus cylinder. Before I left Schlage, it had never been done w/o knowing the bitting. Challenge accepted ?
I get that you are a bit defensive about this lock, but he didn't say anything bad about it or singled it out in any way. There's no need to be defensive, in my opinion.
@@LatitudeSky I didn't find the video offensive I just wanted to add clarification. My point was: (a) most residential locks are junk. (b) showing it associated with the KPD implies similar quality or security issues (c) all most residential locks can be bumped to gain entry. (d) removing the driver bar can improve the KPD security. I haven't worked for Schlage for 12 years & I didn't design it so it's not a reflection on me. Sorry if I was abrasive with my text.
We have had one of these for several years and like it a lot. The 9v battery usually lasts over two years and it lets you know well enough in advance if the battery starts to get low. I’m not too much of a fan of the newer smart locks that are Internet linked
My door lock! The nice thing about these is no more digging in my pocket for a key! If you get past my door you wake my chihuahua and she wakes the big dog and, if you are really unlucky - me!
Hey LPL, i got an advertizement on this video for locks from “commando lock company” and they mentioned how they “engineered anti-pick technologies in the core” could you make a video on one of their products to put it to the test?
Accidentally locked myself out of the house when I went out to the porch to drink my coffee. Forgot the spare key at work so I had to drive out there to get it. Would've tried picking it but nature was calling and I needed to get inside fast lol!
I have a very similar lock by the same brand, I got locked out and tried to pick it. The mechanical parts are not accessible from the outside of the door.
When the words "dropped into a false set" are uttered by LPL, you're in the 80'th percentile of difficulty, and a 5% bonus is applied for "counter-rotation on #" Watching the best do it, you must remind yourself that there are few "bests" out there....
Oh. I've been pronouncing it wrong all this time. I thought it was pronounced like Schlojj (Sch as in school then the ending of something like the US English pronunciation of garage) Well dang. Thanks for clear both that up and that Locks vulnerabilities LPL! :)
Man he opened that fast. The other day I couldn’t find a key to a Masturlock, and I couldn’t pick it either! My angle grinder had it open in seconds though.
I installed one of these for my mom and it was a total pile IMO. It stopped working after 2 weeks and returned it to Home depot for a refund. Installed a second unit and it stopped working in a month as well. Returned it and got a Kwikset electronic deadbolt and it had been working great.
Things I have learned from LPL: 1: Disc detainer locks mean "Bosnianbill-and-I". 2: Wafer locks are a joke even I can pick. 3: Number locks are just a way to pass time. 4: Most gun locks do jack shit. 5: Safe locks are absolutely not safe! 6: Master sucks. 7: Brinks sucks even more! 8: Ramset is OP. 9: Electronic locks are a disgrace to technology. 10: viper inserts and picks in 18 thousands!! 11: His voice is orgasmic even though I'm a man (no homo) 12: SPOOLS SPOOLS SPOOLS!! 13: NO FALSE GATES!!! 14: Busting Squire locks with dozens of 50. cal rounds is a waste of money. 15: Since all the houses are so easy to get into, I shouldn't feel so bad being homeless anymore!
This looks a lot like the one on my bedroom door(we have some privacy issues in this family so all 3 bedroom doors have one) except mine is purely password locked rather than having a key. I wonder how secure those are? Also, the way you speak reminds me of a doctor, very relaxing.
I didn't for a while until I watched some older videos of his & I think some by Bosnian Bill where the parts of a lock are explained. Google image searches of spools, false sets, and other terms also made this stuff clear. Locks are surprisingly simple. My bike is more complicated.
I install various types of security systems for work and the easiest way to make a door pick proof is just have no key or keyway I mostly install door frame mounted electronic strikes with an external RFID reader
One of the best ones I can think of is the Sargent and Greenleaf 951 padlock. Medeco core, ridiculously thick shackle, shielded on all the outwards facing sides, and with ceramic inserts to stop angle grinders. IIRC, it is used by the US military to secure munitions. Or you can go online and buy the commercial version, the 951C, for about $1700 bucks and use it to lock up whatever you would like.
That giant sized (bigger than his hand) squire dual custody (two cylinders) tough lock that they took so long to destroy on the firing range with armour pearcing rounds.
Honestly this is as close to a positive review as anything ever gets from LPL. I think you're fine. (Nothing you're getting at a hardware store is likely to keep LPL out for long)
He didn't open it with a twig, fork or spoon. You should be fine. At this point everything that doesn't have ridiculous security flaws and gets the "at least some effort" award is already pretty good.
@B real Make it a habit to push the rest of the buttons after the door opens. Or do like Mike said and change your combo periodically (nobody will actually do that - just like they don't change passwords).
When I saw the video was 4 minutes I kind of hoped it was a tricky one, then he popped it in like 45-60 seconds and the rest was him taking it apart. I should have figured that's what was going to happen 😂
I work for a property management company that host vacation rentals, we use these locks on all our homes... We have the batteries die all the time and have to call locksmiths out, never seen them pick the lock, but they have the lock open in 30 seconds makes me wonder if they're bumping the lock or if it's even possible. Maybe there's a side channel attack they're using but for the price we pay for the locks I'd hope for more security.
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LPL : it's a mixed bag
Shlage : A positive review!
434 likes and no comments let me- *struggle and gunshots*
Schlage secretary: LPL has a video on our lock.
Schlage exec: Oh My God - don't tell me - what was it? A toothpick? A fork?
Schlage Secretary: No - proper single pin picking, over a 4 minute video.
Schlage exec: Quick! Call the shop floor - we need to increase production five-fold!
Like, it doesn’t seem impressive ss s lock when lpl shows it, but its quite s large margin better thwn other similar locks so...
Roughly took him 50 seconds to pick. Length of video is not an indication for lock difficulty.
@@Fuzzycat16 50 seconds for LPL is two hours for me. :)
Relax,Schlage doesn't care.
@@amcconnell6730 Fair.
if Schlage tried really hard they could go from "at least some effort" all the way to "better than expected"
Yes but they are following the money trail bean counters, not comments on this or Bosnian bills yt channel, unfortunately. What is the real number ratio of good vs junk locks getting picked aside from plain smashed, it would be interesting to know, as it's quite a small group that actually pick or lock smith.
Also when you lock your keys in the house you’ll be thankful someone can open it for you
Schlage is one of the best door locks out there, but it's no Abloy. Note how LPL doesn't feature Abloy on his channel for a good reason .
@Dedham Tinker 2019 called. They said that the Boomer thing is getting old.
maybe even all the way up to "enough pick resistance for the street" lol
Can you review a Wells Fargo bank vault, asking for a friend...
Why, is your friend locked in one?
@@MyRegardsToTheDodo My friends Benjamin and Jackson are stuck in there.
@@mikesaffo lincoln too? that jokester always seems to get stuck in bank vaults
They already did that: ruclips.net/video/nDgC8JOQhiM/видео.html
You know, I was once in a vault while it was being robbed.
LPL’s scaling for pick resistance:
1. Inexcusable design flaw
2. Susceptible to a relatively low skill raking attack
3. At least some effort was made but won’t slow down an experienced picker for very long
4. Better than expected but won’t keep out an experienced picker for more than a few minutes
5. Not too difficult a pick but more than sufficient to ward off casual theft [or “to keep out a curious adolescent,” if a gun lock], especially considering its price point
Eh, I'd bump that down a number, with zero being the inexcusable design flaw, but pretty good overall!
66 likes when I got here
@@FranzFerdinandVIII Its 666 or 69 u had one job
Probably sufficient for high rise living.
6: A product I would consider using for low-security applications
“This side against door” so novices don’t cut a giant rectangle out of their door to slide the whole doorlock squarely in.
I was thinking same thing 😂
Front toward enemy should be printed on the other side...
LMAO...
You say that as if there aren’t builders out there that would do exactly that.
@@cmotdibbler4454 It's not "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY" it's "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY" with the new line implying a full stop. the back says "BACK M18 A1 APERS MINE"
_Hears cast zinc_
So when are we testing this lock against a plumber's torch?
Who's going to take a torch to the lock when they could more easily put a rock through a window?
Not a realistic approach on locations deploying these type of locks.
But yes, cast zink is susceptible to thermal attacks, you're absolutely right :)
@@billtheunjust That was my reaction. First: That's decent, but not enough for a house. Second: Wait, they could be in within seconds with a rock.
If someone trying to gain access to your home is willing to break something to get in, you've done all you could. At that point, it's probably faster for them to smash a window or kick in the door. Destructive entry also means that your insurance company has to acknowledge you were broken into.
@@Hansengineering bars on windows
For people asking about the "this side to door" - when you are installing the device, you are only installing that metal plate on your door first. Both sides are very similar when out of the box. So it's very helpful to see which side goes against the door 😉
^^^ good comment.
Is that the same as the plate on wood stoves telling the (very) general consumer, "Caution: surface hot while operating"?
@@k1mgy No, their damn plate is incredibly easy to put on with the wrong side facing the door - in fact, the side which should face the door looks much more as if it should face out.
Lol I was this close || to a super fun comment about this lock instruction.
"This side to door" reminds me of the old joke about morons laying sod on a lawn and their supervisor periodically leaning out the window to yell "Green side up!"
I'm not that into lockpicking, but I sub to this channel to remind me every day that there are ways around almost every problem.
I'm not that into lockpicking either, but I use this channel to learn what techniques are resistant so I can equip my own locks accordingly. Most of my picking has been to get used locks without keys apart so I can key them as I wish.
Get your inspiration somewhere else. RUclips is for trolling and try on hauls.
@@blanchy So which are you?
I feel like it's been an eternity since I've seen you actually pick and disassemble a lock. Love the new method for removing the key pins as well. Thank you.
"This side against door" I bet there is a hilarious story behind this message...
Probably caused by someone getting off the moron train.
As a person who has a type of lock like this, it's actually very helpful. It's actually just a metal plate you install first and both sides look very similar, so it's nice to know which side gets pressed to the door first.
@@srshama you should write your own comment about it so that more people understand!
@@thibs2837 I will do that. Thanks 😊
Its probably meant for the people in assembly just so they know which side goes where when putting it together. Seems like they just added it to the cast template.
That freaky moment when you see LPL about to pick the very lock you have on your own house (or at least one very close to it)
I wanted to see this video to see his opinion on it. Security is about hardening a target so it's not the easy one. There's always a way through for unauthorized access, but how much effort and skill does it take? Some effort is good enough for most homes.
Well, Schlage created a good lock from what I could see, all those spools and drill resistance. Just because LPL can pick it in x amount of time, don't mean its crap. He's a flippin pro-expert-champ lock picker...its a decent lock...good on ya Schlage!
It's easy to throw a football 80 yards right to a sprinting receiver, I see Tom Brady do it all the time.
I have this exact lock on my reloading room door to keep the kids out. I'm not to worried about pick resistance yet, as I've not heard my 5 year old say "click out of 3, 4 is binding" yet.
That'll be the day.
A “mixed bag” is a high compliment from LPL.
Considering that I think very, very few thieves are "experienced pickers", that sure sounds like a good lock.
Many "locksmiths" today can't even pick a lock.
Some years ago I went on a repair call on an Medeco/Adams Rite mortice lock that had the door frame drilled at the lock flip arm.. At the time I thought the person should just go and get a job in a lock shop.
Well, at least not opened with a teaspoon or a toothpick, so pretty decent I guess.
demopem 😂😂😭
Or a blade of grass...
"Some effort"? Good enough for me.
Nice to see you gut a lock again! It feels like you don't do that as much in your newer videos, and seeing the internals is my favorite part!
Thank you for your videos, LPL. You always put a smile on my face everytime I see the notification for your new uploads. Great work.
*"THIS SIDE AGAINST DOOR"* Now wasn't that a surprise!
Yeah, some companies REALLY treat their customers like idiots...
I wasn't knowing that ok !!😒
JK 😂👌
@WhiteShadow2k1 How can you sue company for being an idiot and lacking basic knowledge about door handle orientation...?
Lock comes in three pieces that need to be assembled.
This is the LockPickingLawyer, and today I am standing outside of Fort Knox with a fork in my hand.
This is the same lock that was used on the final door in an escape room I hosted once. We did have instructions not to pick the locks, not that anyone tried. It would defeat the purpose of the game and I think it would be a bit financially unwise to pay 25 bucks a head for 40 seconds of lockpicking. Also if getting out of the room fast is your goal there was an emergency door that was unlocked in case of fires, claustrophobia etc. The only time I saw someone get close to using that door was this couple who according to their conversation had spent the day engaging in large amounts of wine tasting and enchiladas. This had a significant biological effect on the husband and he was vigorously crop-dusting his wife with farts that sounded like Chewbacca reading sad poetry. Low, mournful, moan-like rumbles that went on for an uncomfortable amount of time. They had to have been fairly loud since our microphones weren't that good. After about the 5th groan of intestinal trombone solos she was threatening to leave and let him do the room himself. They eventually made it through, no doubt their eyes stinging while trying to read the clues that would free them from the ghost of enchiladas past. I can see that being a strategy to give your team motivation to solve the puzzles quicker, it just seems a little cruel. At least since I hosted that round I got to give the other guy a can of Glade and have him reset the room.
This is probably one of the greatest comments I have ever read on the Internet. Thank you for your contribution to society. 👏 Forever etched into my brain will be images of rumbling rectal blasts of sad Wookie poetry and hauntings of dearly departed enchiladas from beyond the anus.
I am SO happy you became a lawyer and not a dentist
I recently installed a few of those at work. I should try to pick them, just for fun.
Everytime you pick a lock you risk ruining the core to the point where using the designated key will no longer work.
So please don't do this.
@@EnjoyCocaColaLight Depends on the core. Most cores cannot be bricked so unless your pick snaps inside you are good. Also this core is fairly easy to replace as you can see.
DONT, not to one that's in use. If someone does pick the lock to break in, you'd have a tough time explaining to the insurance company forensics why it had been picked twice. And every time you pick a lock, it can put wear on the lock that will make it easier for a thief to pick it too. If you are really curious, buy a replacement core from the same supplier and play with that.
Ffs. The lock comes in three pieces that need to be assembled. The "this side to door" sticker is on a metal plate that looks similar from either side, but can only be installed one way.
And I can confirm that it was helpful.
Nathan Lang - this comment needs to be pinned to the top.
Uploaded “48 seconds ago”.. I didn’t even know RUclips presents stuff in seconds in the subscription feed xD
@Petraplexity Then you also had a “2 views” figure next to it?
RUclips times use the same algorithm as Microsoft minutes when saving files.
Clicked this vid pretty quick because I installed two similar to this model at work. I’m not worried because I am pretty sure the only person who would try to pick this would be me, but I know all the codes too.
We used to have this same exact lock at the previous house we rented
Picked in seconds!
"This is the LockPickingLawyer..."
My main disappointment with this lock is you can only set a 4 digit combo ie 10000 'differs' and is reduced if you have multiple combos (factory sets 3 and you can set several more. You can cancel or change any of them). The only person likely to pick the cylinder is a locksmith called to a lockout and he might use a bump key anyway.
I was relieved that the only 'issue' was he picked it, I wondered at first if he had found some other compromise.
I like the stamp on the backside of the lock, "This side against door".
This seems obvious, but are you a lawyer that just picks locks as a hobby?
I think at this point, the legal work is now his hobby :D
No, he's a lock picker that lawyers as a hobby
It's his backup strategy, in case he doesn't get his client off the hook...
He's actually just cybernetic hands and a voice run by an AI. There is no human, clearly.
@@rabokarabekian409 Really? I had always thought it was Thing and his opposite twin hand. 😲
Always nice to have the right tools.
Thanks for going back to your roots... I miss the non Amazon, non stupidly made locks... Don't get me wrong it's fun to know exploits, and how to find your own...
My aunt has this on her back door and this design is so iconic to me
People really need to remember how advanced LPL is at lock picking. A 50 second lock for him is going to be much much more difficult for the rest of us.
I feel like this channel can be compared to vapes, they say it’s meant to help people stop smoking but it ended up getting people into smoking. And they say this channel is meant to improve locks but it probably just gets more people into breaking into places
It's shown me what locks to avoid.
let’s get this out on a tray, nice. it’s been a while since we’ve seen a tear down.
James Hall Steve!!! How are those mres!
😎Excellent as always LPL.thanks for great video. 😎
Sees a four minute video: Wow! Must be good! *sees picked AND gutted* Oh, wait, never mind.
Better than most of these sorts of electronic combination locks, at least.
I had the same thoughts. Apparently Master lock made this .
The fact, that he actually picked it and did not use some ridiculous method is actually telling
@@kallewirsch2263 Yup, they made it well enough that it was able to resist a low-skill raking attack, which is more than a lot of these sorts of locks he's showed on this channel.
It's good enough in most cases for residential security. It's unlikely that a random thief who happens upon your door will be able to bump the lock open. If they really want in your house and their bump key doesn't work, they will look for other weaknesses in your security. Open window? Pet door? Unlocked cellar door? Odds are they'll move on if those attacks are not viable. If they still want in, they'll try kicking in a door or breaking a window. Steel reinforced door frame , Security film/grating on the windows, and they still want in - and haven't already alerted you, your neighbors, and/or your alarm company of the break-in attempt? Then, and only then will they most likely pull out their medium hook and tensioner.
I find it funny they felt it necessary to imprint "This side to door" on the mounting plate. If that part of the install was confusing, maybe one should just concentrate on remembering to breathe, rather than installing a lock.
I forgot thanks for reminding me. You're a lifesaver
Don't underestimate the stupidity of humanity
i dunno maybe it was for the actual designers considering they'd be the type of people to forget
edit: oh i guess its alright, the designers have some intelligents
As a person who has a type of lock like this, it's actually very helpful. It's actually just a metal plate you install first and both sides look very similar, so it's nice to know which side gets pressed to the door first.
I suspect that's meant not to differentiate the front of this lock from the back but to differentiate this lock from a similar-looking wall-mounted model.
This feels like a dentist appointment 😂
Slick LPL move @ 2:54. It’s the equivalent of Eddie Van Halen sliding his fingers down the neck of his guitar at the beginning of “Pretty Woman”.
2:00 "this side against dioor"
lol
@@arletottens6349 Easy mistake to make yo
One has to wonder about the IQ of some installers that have obviously contacted their support team in the past.....
As a person who has a type of lock like this, it's actually very helpful. It's actually just a metal plate you install first and both sides look very similar, so it's nice to know which side gets pressed to the door first.
@@srshama wow, great input. i'm glad there's a rational reason
Great video as always brother, thanks for sharing it with us
I'd like to know your thoughts on the electronic part of the lock. Since this uses a KIK cylinder, if the electronics are worthy it would potentially be useful for other keyways.
A weakness of this style lock (though not electronic in nature) is that over time the code becomes significantly revealed as the screen printing on the buttons eventually begins to wear through (there is a clear coat to slow the wear, but it does not resist wear forever) if the keypad is heavily used after about 3-5 years (such as your main entry door in a multi person household). It is especially problematic with the older versions that only permitted 4 digits as after several years it would become increasingly obvious which digits were used, and how much they were used (e.g. a digit most heavily worn likely appeared twice in a code), versus which digits weren’t. Of course, if you never clean the buttons then dirt can give such away much sooner still, but that is easily remedied with the occasional wipe down. I used a similar older style Schlage deadbolt for about 10 or 12 years and on our main entry door I believe I went through 2, maybe even 3, exterior keypads in that time due to the digits becoming revealed on the most heavily used code. I’ve since changed to a newer style Schlage that uses a touch sensitive keypad (rather than buttons) with the numbers protected under clear textured plastic (for wear protection and easy cleaning) and which now supports 6 digit codes and that has performed much better so far.
@@ethanpoole3443 I have one of these and after about 7 years there is no visible wear to the numbers on the keypad, and it is used on a front door.
I have one as well for 5 years. No visible signs. Might be your cleaners you’re using or the continuous wiping
I have had mine 8 years no wear whatsoever
@@ethanpoole3443 I use this for an Airbnb. It's been installed for about 8 months. I change the code so ea h guest gets a new unique one. Also the master code is longer and different than the entry code. There has been zero wear to date.
Looks like unknowingly I have chosen a better lock for my home! Better as in no security sponge, cannot be picked with a spoon, twig, fork looking at it etc.,
lpl became a lawyer so he could defend himself in court for all the break in accusations
He is an actual lawyer in real life - www.art-of-lockpicking.com/interview-with-the-lock-picking-lawyer/
@@lights-fo8et i know
You sure make this look easy my friend!
Thought about gluing my key holes then realized LPL isn't the guy, it's some dude who's just gonna kick adjacent window or French doors in.
Never glue any of your holes. It's something you'll end up regretting..
Atwolf Geetler
I just buy digital locks that don't use keys.
@@greendryerlint ...is a phrase often uttered in hospitals.
(Yes, I know that superglue is actually a really good last-ditch option for major cuts. Let me have my joke.)
I used to tell my clients "Your most secure doors are only as good as the closest window."
“So Schlage made some effort at pick resistance”
I love LPL’s passive-aggressive sarcastic digs.
Nothing passive aggressive about it.
That's genuine praise. Understand that LPL has become one of the *best* at picking locks. If he's picking your lock, odds are it won't stand a chance unless you're shelling out major, major, major money to secure something. Most people need something that bars casual attacks. Unfortunately, many still don't, as LPL as shown with wave rakes, forks, spoons, and so on. But when he runs into a lock which requires genuine picking, at least these days, and which has false gates and interesting pins, and which doesn't claim to be pick-proof, he recognizes that an effort was made to make this pick-resistant
"At least some effort was made" -LPL
I love that all of those comments are like those one line reviews on movies.
"I picked this up as part of a large lot of lock parts on eBay."
Guess what my day is going to be spent doing? Hello, eBay!
Wait your going to sell or buy?...
@@meh9682 -- Buying. I own a bunch of rental properties.
However, after some looking on eBay, it's cheaper to get some parts from wholesale suppliers. A lot of eBay sellers have stupid prices.
@@pmgodfrey The sellers don't have stupid prices, the bidders have stupid maximums, often because they found out that someone on e-bay is talking about what they bought on e-bay, and the bidder can't help themselves, they just Have to Have That Item. It usually is a spike that looks like a fresh game console got released...
Been waiting for this model, great vid
I thought I would be able to click on this video faster than he picked the lock but then I saw gutted in the title.
This exact lock is on my door, I'm glad it wasn't opened with a spoon and it wasn't just raked open. I need a better core unless the LPL finds a weakness in the electronics and can open it with a hair brush, then I'll need a new lock.
"I picked this up as part of a large lot of lock parts on Ebay, so I don't have a key to it".
Huh hh Huh Huhh ….It's in the hands of the LockPickingLawyer!
Pffff. I worked for Schlage for 10 years & was the Mfg Eng for cylinders. I also was part of the team who helped bring the 1st Gen. to market. I even have an electronic keypad on my door. What you did was no different than picking any brand of residential lock, aka crap lock. Your skills in lock picking imply it's a bad design but these locks are for residential use a
& are built for lower cost. They offer a false sense of security, see 'bump key'.
What I did was to remove the driver bar from the cylinder & added a blocking disk for the reach thru. Good luck picking it now to gain entrance. Won't happen !
What if the battery dies ? It lets you know when the battery needs to be changed. I can also use the garage door keypad.
If you want real security, use a $$$ Primus cylinder ! I have those too but I got mine for free.
You'd impress the world if you can pick a Primus cylinder. Before I left Schlage, it had never been done w/o knowing the bitting. Challenge accepted ?
I get that you are a bit defensive about this lock, but he didn't say anything bad about it or singled it out in any way. There's no need to be defensive, in my opinion.
@@LatitudeSky I didn't find the video offensive I just wanted to add clarification. My point was: (a) most residential locks are junk. (b) showing it associated with the KPD implies similar quality or security issues (c) all most residential locks can be bumped to gain entry. (d) removing the driver bar can improve the KPD security. I haven't worked for Schlage for 12 years & I didn't design it so it's not a reflection on me. Sorry if I was abrasive with my text.
If I was your neighbor
I might as well just remove my door
Just get steel doors and weld them shut! Would take longer to cut them open then!!
@@VanquisherUSMC "But we will be using the 'window bypass' that most houses have..."
@@Megatron995 Well, get 1/2" thick polycarb windows that don't open, or just live underground!
We have had one of these for several years and like it a lot. The 9v battery usually lasts over two years and it lets you know well enough in advance if the battery starts to get low. I’m not too much of a fan of the newer smart locks that are Internet linked
its 3 am and you hear from your front door " click out of 1, nothing on 2, 3 is binding, 3 is set, click out of 4..."
My door lock! The nice thing about these is no more digging in my pocket for a key! If you get past my door you wake my chihuahua and she wakes the big dog and, if you are really unlucky - me!
Hey LPL, i got an advertizement on this video for locks from “commando lock company” and they mentioned how they “engineered anti-pick technologies in the core” could you make a video on one of their products to put it to the test?
Thanks for this. I put one of these in my parents main entrance.
"This is the LockPickingLa... and it's unlocked"
Accidentally locked myself out of the house when I went out to the porch to drink my coffee. Forgot the spare key at work so I had to drive out there to get it. Would've tried picking it but nature was calling and I needed to get inside fast lol!
I wonder if this lock could be bypassed by sticking a pick into the gap around the handle and actuating whatever linkage couples the handle?
No
I have a very similar lock by the same brand, I got locked out and tried to pick it. The mechanical parts are not accessible from the outside of the door.
Lock manufacturers: "am I a joke to you?"
LPL: "yes."
When the words "dropped into a false set" are uttered by LPL, you're in the 80'th percentile of difficulty, and a 5% bonus is applied for "counter-rotation on #"
Watching the best do it, you must remind yourself that there are few "bests" out there....
Michael Free I took a lock picking class by one of the best in the world, this guy is better.
Oh. I've been pronouncing it wrong all this time. I thought it was pronounced like Schlojj (Sch as in school then the ending of something like the US English pronunciation of garage) Well dang. Thanks for clear both that up and that Locks vulnerabilities LPL! :)
"Honey, there's someone at the door....Do you know anything about a 'Clicking' sound? =))
"honey, there's a man outside our door, mumbling something like "nothing on one, binding on two...."
Haha, nice. He just picked his way into our office's bathroom stall door. 😋
Wow - that's a lot of security when you really have to take a leak! :o
Will "Nice click!" be LockPickingLawyer's "Nice hiss!" from SteveMRE.
surprisingly decent lock from schlage.
Man he opened that fast. The other day I couldn’t find a key to a Masturlock, and I couldn’t pick it either! My angle grinder had it open in seconds though.
Good. Now go buy a decent lock to replace it.
I installed one of these for my mom and it was a total pile IMO. It stopped working after 2 weeks and returned it to Home depot for a refund. Installed a second unit and it stopped working in a month as well. Returned it and got a Kwikset electronic deadbolt and it had been working great.
Yay! Back to lock picking and disassembly!!
Things I have learned from LPL:
1: Disc detainer locks mean "Bosnianbill-and-I".
2: Wafer locks are a joke even I can pick.
3: Number locks are just a way to pass time.
4: Most gun locks do jack shit.
5: Safe locks are absolutely not safe!
6: Master sucks.
7: Brinks sucks even more!
8: Ramset is OP.
9: Electronic locks are a disgrace to technology.
10: viper inserts and picks in 18 thousands!!
11: His voice is orgasmic even though I'm a man (no homo)
12: SPOOLS SPOOLS SPOOLS!!
13: NO FALSE GATES!!!
14: Busting Squire locks with dozens of 50. cal rounds is a waste of money.
15: Since all the houses are so easy to get into, I shouldn't feel so bad being homeless anymore!
That is crazy my work has one of these and I was going to see how secure we were and see if you've done a video on it. And bam, uploaded
I'm 100% why this guy is a lawyer.
He just LOVED the first click!
thanks lpl have a nice day!
Nice to see Schlage making some effort at security. Cheers and thanks for sharing LPL. 😁👍
The aged bronze cores are brass afaik. That one is zinc to match the body.
"Picked and Gutted" these days is another way of saying it's a good enough lock
This looks a lot like the one on my bedroom door(we have some privacy issues in this family so all 3 bedroom doors have one) except mine is purely password locked rather than having a key. I wonder how secure those are? Also, the way you speak reminds me of a doctor, very relaxing.
I definitely want to see a video with all of the locks you haven't been able to pick, to date. Those are the locks I would buy !
I've noticed those types of number pads tend to have the numbers wear away very quickly, which makes for pretty easy guessing of the combination.
That's why I regularly use two codes with entirely different digits.
Who else knows no clue what he’s talking about
I didn't for a while until I watched some older videos of his & I think some by Bosnian Bill where the parts of a lock are explained. Google image searches of spools, false sets, and other terms also made this stuff clear. Locks are surprisingly simple. My bike is more complicated.
BIG UPS to LPL for telling everyone how to get in my house
'This side to door'
Complaint department:
Instructions unclear, got tit stuck in door.
That sounds painful!
OUCH!!!!!
My grandma has a lock like this on her apartment suite door but they have a main door to the apartment complex it’s good to know how it works thanks
I'll be honest, I missed the lock gutting
True.
The meme vids were getting old
I install various types of security systems for work and the easiest way to make a door pick proof is just have no key or keyway I mostly install door frame mounted electronic strikes with an external RFID reader
What is the best lock thus discovered, regardless of what it's supposed to secure?
One of the best ones I can think of is the Sargent and Greenleaf 951 padlock. Medeco core, ridiculously thick shackle, shielded on all the outwards facing sides, and with ceramic inserts to stop angle grinders. IIRC, it is used by the US military to secure munitions. Or you can go online and buy the commercial version, the 951C, for about $1700 bucks and use it to lock up whatever you would like.
Squire locks have a spotlight on this channel for being incredibly physically tough. If I remember correctly, they did take some time to pick as well.
@@SofosProject Like 29 armor piercing rounds from a 556 or 762, afair. Beautiful padlock.
That giant sized (bigger than his hand) squire dual custody (two cylinders) tough lock that they took so long to destroy on the firing range with armour pearcing rounds.
Hotel staff: Here's your key sir! The back up code is ...
LPL: Nono, it's alright I don't need the key or the code.
Hotel staff: ...
Crap I just bought 3 of these for my house. Just installed them yesterday. 😂
Did you follow the instructions 'This Side To Door'?
Honestly this is as close to a positive review as anything ever gets from LPL. I think you're fine. (Nothing you're getting at a hardware store is likely to keep LPL out for long)
He didn't open it with a twig, fork or spoon. You should be fine. At this point everything that doesn't have ridiculous security flaws and gets the "at least some effort" award is already pretty good.
@B real you can always change the combination to a different code number after the buttons are worn down
@B real Make it a habit to push the rest of the buttons after the door opens. Or do like Mike said and change your combo periodically (nobody will actually do that - just like they don't change passwords).
When I saw the video was 4 minutes I kind of hoped it was a tricky one, then he popped it in like 45-60 seconds and the rest was him taking it apart. I should have figured that's what was going to happen 😂
Schlage's Motto: "If it says Schlage, you Know you're Getting In!" ("We're Better than Master?")
I work for a property management company that host vacation rentals, we use these locks on all our homes... We have the batteries die all the time and have to call locksmiths out, never seen them pick the lock, but they have the lock open in 30 seconds makes me wonder if they're bumping the lock or if it's even possible. Maybe there's a side channel attack they're using but for the price we pay for the locks I'd hope for more security.
"At least some effort"
*presents 4min+ video*
Eh, he did gut it, but the picking took him nearly a minute.