Mind-Blowing Miracle Reports? w/ Lee Strobel
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In this short clip, Lee Strobel lays out a recent miracle report of a healing of Juvenile Macular Degeneration that came out after he wrote his book "The Case for Miracles."
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#Apologetics #Miracles #Healing
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*IS THERE SCIENCE BEHIND THE POWER OF PROXIMAL INTERCESSORY PRAYER (PIP)❓*
*Case report of instantaneous resolution of juvenile macular degeneration blindness after proximal intercessory prayer*
*Highlights*
• A young woman presented with sudden bilateral vision loss and atrophy in each fovea.
• She was diagnosed with juvenile macular degeneration and was blind for 12 years.
• After a brief proximal intercessory prayer (PIP) experience she regained her eyesight.
• Her eyesight has remained 20/40 or better for over forty years since the PIP event.
*Abstract*
An 18-year-old female lost the majority of her central vision over the course of three months in 1959.
Medical records from 1960 indicate visual acuities (VA) of less than 20/400 for both eyes corresponding to legal blindness.
On fundus examination of the eye there were dense yellowish-white areas of atrophy in each fovea and the individual was diagnosed with juvenile macular degeneration (JMD).
In 1971, another examination recorded her uncorrected VA as finger counting on the right and hand motion on the left.
She was diagnosed with macular degeneration (MD) and declared legally blind.
In 1972, having been blind for over 12 years, the individual reportedly regained her vision instantaneously after receiving proximal-intercessory-prayer (PIP).
Subsequent medical records document repeated substantial improvement; including uncorrected VA of 20/100 in each eye in 1974 and corrected VAs of 20/30 to 20/40 were recorded from 2001 to 2017.
To date, her eyesight has remained intact for forty-seven years.
*Authors*
ClarissaRomez, David Zaritzky & Joshua W. Brown of Global Medical Research Institute, United States
Kenn Freedman of Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center, Lubbock, TX, United States
Joshua W.Brown of Department of Psychological & Brain Sciences, Indiana University, 1101 E Tenth St, Bloomington, IN 47401, United States
_Click link below:_
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550830720300926
~•~
*Case Report of gastroparesis healing: 16 years of a chronic syndrome resolved after proximal intercessory prayer*
*Abstract*
A male infant at two weeks of age was hospitalized vomiting forcefully.
He had a pyloromyotomy.
He did not improve with medical therapy.
The diagnosis of gastroparesis was made after a nuclear medicine gastric emptying study and intestinal manometry.
He required a gastrostomy tube (g-tube) and a jejunostomy tube (j-tube) for feeding.
At 11 months of age, the j-tube was converted into a feeding jejunostomy with Roux-en-Y limb.
For 16 years he was completely dependent on j-tube feeding.
In November 2011, he experienced proximal-intercessory-prayer (PIP) at a church and felt an electric shock starting from his shoulder and going through his stomach.
After the prayer experience, he was unexpectedly able to tolerate oral feedings.
The g- and j-tube were removed four months later and he did not require any further special treatments for his condition as all symptoms had resolved.
Over seven years later, he has been free from symptoms.
This article investigates a case of PIP as an alternative intervention for resolving severe idiopathic gastroparesis when maximal medical management is not effective.
*Authors*
Clarissa Romez, David Zaritzky & Joshua W. Brown of Global Medical Research Institute, United States
Joshua W. Brown of Indiana University, Bloomington IN, United States
_Click link below:_
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0965229918313116
There's a wide range of "normal". You may not be getting enough thyroid medication for you. I still have my thyroid, but I do much better if my TSH is lower (it's inverse).
Adding you to my prayer list! God heals!
OK, let's look at "Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Proximal
Intercessory Prayer (STEPP) on Auditory and Visual Impairments in Rural Mozambique", by far the best study of the three Strobel mentions in this clip. This is what Strobel says about it:
"They would get all the people who were blind or deaf - severe hearing or visual problems - to come out...They would test them scientifically to determine their level of hearing or vision, they were then prayed for immediately in the name of Jesus for healing, and then they were immediately measured again scientifically. Was there any change? And in virtually every case there was improvement. In fact the average was a tenfold improvement in visual acuity. One woman was so deaf that when they first encountered her she couldn't hear a jackhammer next to her. After prayer in the name of Jesus she can now hear normal conversations."
So, strong clear claims. Does the paper bear out the claims? This time, I typed out Strobel's description of the data before reading the paper to see if my intuitions about it were borne out. My suspicion is that 1) Strobel significantly overstates the findings of the study and 2) the study is badly designed. Here's the paper to read for yourselves:
pcpj2.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/study_of_the_therapeutic_effects_of_proximal-5.pdf
What do we find?
1. The researchers did not randomly recruit participants, but instead recruited them through "Charismatic Protestant meetings cosponsored by Iris Ministries...because Iris leaders are widely reputed among Pentecostals globally as “specialists” in praying for those with hearing and vision impairments". So already there is a potential confound, in that the participants were primed to have a particular experience of healing.
2. The protocol administrators who performed PIP all knew they were part of the study and all of them were aware that they were giving the participants the "real" intervention. This was therefore not in any way a blind trial: both the subjects and the researchers knew that they were being offered the "real" treatment.
3. This part is just astonishingly bad: "In soft tones, they petitioned God to heal, invited the Holy Spirit’s anointing, and commanded healing and the departure of any evil spirits in Jesus’ name. Those who prayed then asked recipients whether they were healed.
If recipients responded negatively or stated that the healing was partial, PIP was continued. If they answered in the affirmative, informal tests were conducted, such as asking recipients to repeat words or sounds (eg, hand claps) intoned from behind or to count fingers from roughly 30 cm away. If recipients were unable or partially able to perform tasks, PIP was continued for as long as circumstances permitted." This introduces a significant element of social pressure: recipients are clearly psychologically encouraged to give the researchers the affirmative answer they are looking for, even if only to get out of the room. It also means that different recipients received different "treatments".
4. There were only 24 participants, a risibly small number. This gets worse once it is broken down by type of impairment, because only 14 reported auditory impairment and 11 visual impairment. So really there were 2 studies, one with 14 people and another with 11.
5. Few of these people are reported in the study as having "severe hearing or visual problems", and very few of them were "blind or deaf." Strobel once again wildly exaggerates.
6. The tests of aural acuity were conducted in highly imperfect surroundings: "Measurements could not be conducted in an acoustically isolated room due to the remote field location, and the high ambient noise (AN) from the nearby crowd of people presented a considerable challenge to measurement accuracy."
7. The researchers report numerous incidents of "time constraints" leading to problems with recording full data, retesting participants, etc. This was not a well-planned or -controlled study and I am skeptical of the results simply for this reason, even if there were no other problems. This is sloppy work.
8. According to the researchers, "Ambient noise was very high during testing" for the auditory component. Imagine being in a space with "very high" ambient noise around you, and struggling to hear a few tones from a device. Then you are given a little break, and you get to do the test again. Any surprise that you will do better the second time?
7. They did not control the lighting during the eyesight test.
8. They did not use the same eyesight testing chart for all subjects: they used one for 6 subjects and a different one for 5 subjects. That further splits the study into a really micro-sizes.
9. Researchers held the chart up each time, using a string to measure the distance between themselves and the subject. The researchers of course knew if they were participating in the pre- or post-test. This introduces the potential for researcher bias to intrude.
10. They used the exact same chart for the pre- and post-test, and conducted the tests "less than one minute later". Who wants to bet that could account for at least some of the effects seen?
11. The discussion briefly notes a number of the problems I have described here, saying: "There are several limitations of the study. First, field conditions were challenging. There were no modern clinical facilities available, and we were unable to diagnose the etiology of auditory or visual impairments or to assess whether structural changes occurred. There is no way of knowing whether hearing changed at untested frequencies, or whether subjects tested only with 40 cm or 6 m charts would have exhibited change with the other chart. Second, although the study was prospective and controlled for some potential confounds such as AN, there was no control group, only a null hypothesis of no significant effect."
So frankly, this study was awful. It's a shock to me that it was published, but frequently papers which deal with "scientific evidence" of some supernatural phenomenon do get published despite their manifest and obvious weaknesses. I'll close with a quote from the authors themselves:
" it would be unwise to overgeneralize from these preliminary findings for a small number of PIP practitioners and subjects collected in far from-ideal field conditions"
Quite: Strobel should heed the authors whose work he (inaccurately) describes.
No one cares James. Respectfully, no one cares. Go to sleep.
@@dco8886 A religious person that doesn't care about the truth... wish it was the first time I saw that in my life.
*Study of the therapeutic effects of proximal intercessory prayer (STEPP) on auditory and visual impairments in rural Mozambique*
Candy Gunther Brown et al. South Med J. 2010 Sep.
*Abstract*
*Background:* Proximal intercessory prayer (PIP) is a common complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) therapy, but clinical effects are poorly understood, partly because studies have focused on distant intercessory prayer (DIP).
*Methods:* This prospective study used an audiometer (Earscan(R) 3) and vision charts (40 cm, 6 m "Illiterate E") to evaluate 24 consecutive Mozambican subjects (19 males/5 females) reporting impaired hearing (14) and/or vision (11) who subsequently received PIP interventions.
*Results:* We measured significant improvements in auditory (P
@@JacquesduPlessis11 Devout Christian here. I care about truth and accuracy.
The critiques raised here seem fair and accurate.
For us who are Christian, we have other great reasons to conclude that prayer is effective.
Please pray for me I'm in need of healing in the name of Jesus Christ. Oh Lord have mercy on me forgive my sins.
Praying for you. Healing and forgiveness in Jesus' name!
"Children, I write these things to you so that you will not sin, and if a person will sin, we have “The Redeemer of the accursed” with The Father - Yeshua The Messiah, The Righteous One."* God bless you in Jesus' name. 🙏✝️❤️
*1 John 2:1
What utter nonsense 🙄
Cameron, would you be able to provide links to the peer-reviewed sources referenced by Mr. Strobel?
I believe he was refering to these articles:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0965229918313116
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550830720300926
pcpj2.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/study_of_the_therapeutic_effects_of_proximal-5.pdf
@@mooselee6699 thanks
@@mooselee6699 Thanks so much! Thank God!
@@mooselee6699 By the way, how did you find those?
If these are the studies they are laughable. Is this really the evidence he is citing? Embarrassing.
Would it be possible to get the references / links to the medical journals?
Edit: Thanks for the links, everyone! See this thread for where these articles are posted.
Only thing I can think of why not would be Doctor Patient Confidentiality.
i googled them and found them pretty easily. i think the blind woman one is this one:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550830720300926
the kid with gastroparesis:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0965229918313116
Have you learned any more cosmology since we chatted last?
@@beckc.5084 Thank you! I’ll have a look!
@@20july1944 No, you?
I met a man some years ago who was healed of being a midget. His name was Jimmy Maynor and he was from Benton Tennessee. He was 26 years old when he began to grow and he still had a midget's voice. Sadly the only reference I have been able to find on him on the internet was a couple of his books being sold on Amazon , one being titled Go Tell The World. After his healing he travelled as an evangelist and I think he appeared at some Full Gospel Businessman's conventions. I think I still have part of a recording he made.
@@HarryNicNicholas Do you know of any other midgets who began to grow at 26 years old and by the way he had been in a car accident in which 3 doctors had told him he would never walk again but was healed of this too. According to his testimony Jesus appeared to him and he wasn't the happy smiling Jesus he had always imagined him to be but was angry because he wanting to be healed but was wasting his time sitting around watching soap operas.
I should add I do have a recording of this man's voice which remaned sounding like a midget although he grew to over 6 feet tall.
Overnight RUclips has turned on many Christian related youtube channels. May the Lord be praised. Hallelujah!
Strobel makes a big deal about the timing of the miracle and how important that is to this case. But the only ones who can attest to the timing of the alleged miracle are the healed woman and her minister husband. No one else was witness to the laying of hands and prayer.
Stories like these will never convince a rational skeptic.
Oh no, skeptic’s loss 🤷🏻♀️🤌🏽
under the law of basically every country in the world the testimony of two eyewitnesses is considered valid.
@@beckc.5084 so if your two small children both testify that it was the dog that drew on the wall you would believe them?
Just because eyewitness testimony is "valid" does not mean you accept it uncritically. Any good judge or jury would consider why the witness might have motive to lie or why they might be mistaken.
@@walterbrooks2329 ok. then what motive to lie do these people have?
@@walterbrooks2329 also how does one lie about having been healed from blindness. that's an empirically provable to be either true or false, just go to the person. there's the medical records from before the healing and from afterwards that prove she actually had juvenile macular degeneration and that the healing happened. here is the peer reviewed article Strobel was talking about www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550830720300926?via%3Dihub
I love this talk about miracles, because it's something that can be scientifically tested. I've love to see some good scientific investigation of this stuff. It also opens up a HUGE can of theological worms once you claim that God can and DOES intervene in the world to help people, because we then have to ask why God doesn't do it more often.
You can definitely ask your secondary question "why doesn't God do more healing?" but the primary question is whether we should infer there is a Creator God or not. Enough undeniable miracles would indicate "yes, we should."
It's not Gods fault.As Jesus said to the Jews in his day.He was amazed at their unbelief!
Because He can? He’s God isn’t it? Lol
Leo Behe, not really because you forget the fallen world we live in.
@@20july1944, the very fact of millions of lives changed speaks to the truth of God. Gods’ evidence is a matter of adding up all the evidence and then a matter of faith.
Must say as someone who has seen a good friend die recently after hundreds of prayers this is both encouraging and saddening. However, great to hear where the evidence is pointing. Reading the book at the moment. I hope it covers unanswered prayers or if not, could it be covered in a updated issue?
I’m so sorry for your losses. I hope you will find comfort from believe it or not, David wood, watch the last 5 minutes of his Ravi zacaharias scandal video where he talks about nabeel it really helped me to better understand death
@@HarryNicNicholas did you read the book?
Okay, so I went back and read the analysis on the woman with macular degeneration and I’d love to know what about it makes a compelling case for intercessory prayer. Not only did I not find this “study” with a data point of one to not be compelling, but it raises more than a few red flags.
This is incredibly common with miracle claims.
ITS BECAUSE ITS NOT TRUE OBVIOUSLY.
Any idea in which medical journal these cases(instantaneous healings) were published?
I'd be interested as well
I need prayer,for a cyst,on my spine,where I had spinobifida surgury.
Case for miracles, definitely in my bucket list 😀
If you study the Near-Death Experience, there are many miracles beyond the NDE itself such as improved eyesight and hearing, healing of cancers, etc. The NDE miracles parallel ones in scripture in many ways.
I find miracles fascinating, but I also really struggle with the many who pray and are not heard or healed.
Agreed, that's discouraging.
It's not just discouraging...it points strongly to the notion that none of those instances are miracles...just assess the evidence honestly
Unexplained phenomenon that works out in our favor
pulling off ripped jeans, there's a miracle
Lee Strobel was a hard core atheist and journalist for the Chicago Tribune. His wife had just converted to Christianity so he set out on a research quest to prove she made a mistake, little did he expect that in his effort to disprove Jesus Christ and the resurrection he would become a firm believer and convert himself. His book Case For Christ documents this story its pretty amazing.
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@@jacoblee5796 If you throw in the Golden Gate Bridge, I'll think about it
Glad to see your doing some in person interviews again
"Peer-reviewed medical journal" you wanna, like... give us a name? No? Ok.
Were you listening? He literally gave the name right before that... Southern medical journal.
@@aidanpetersen7060 no that was the journal that covered the circumstances of another miracle, I was referring to the very first one he was talking about
@@Shardalon I see, I think this is what he is referring to: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550830720300926
He did give a name, I believe
Trying to be objective here. What about the times when the family members pray but the loved still dies miserably and in unimaginable pain? Don't these claims just cancel each other out? There are more instances of this happening than the miraculous instances. This just reeks of confirmation bias and Lee Strobel, a Christian apologist, has an obvious biased interest promoting Christian miracles.
Does something have to happen 100 percent of the time to be considered a miracle? Atheists often use the amputee growing a limb back in order to convince them. So if that happened, then would it follow that all amputees would need to have their limbs growing back in order for it to be considered miraculous? Basically when does it end? Further if God is the one healing and giving sight to the blind, could it follow that he chooses to heal some and not others? Why would we assume that God would need to heal everyone in all instances of prayer? Could it be that God would allow suffering of some with an intended purpose to allow that suffering?
I can think of an example, let's say someone holds a gun up to your head and is about to shoot. You pray to God to save your life. The gun fires and somehow the bullet lodges in the barrel, when by all accounts you should be dead. Most would consider that a miracle. But would we discount it and say well many others have prayed and still died, therefore it is not a miracle?
@@jameybobamey7343 If you're claiming the evidence should be convincing to someone who _does not already believe_ in miracles then you're going to have to do better than that. The instances of the supposed miraculous occurrences are anecdotal at best. This is why it's just confirmation bias. It's only convincing to those who already believe in miracles.
For me personally, seeing just one amputee's limb grow back immediately after prayer would be convincing. Or something like a miracle from the Bible, for instance, when God set a bunch of wet wood on fire. The problem is _we never see anything like that happen in our experience._ This is exactly what we would expect from a world in which miracles do not actually occur and so I take that as confirmation of some form of naturalism.
@@jimmystevens9422 yes and the instances that defy medical explanation and seem to have no "natural" cause are merely confirmation bias of your own presupposition of naturalism. Problem is how do you differentiate between two examples that have no natural explanation? (I.e. growing a limb back vs spontaneous healing of blindness, etc) And how can you make the claim that these events that have no explanation will only be accepted as miracles by those who already believe in miracles? That is grossly presumptive and clearly reveals your own bias as well.
@@jameybobamey7343 Where is a verified instance of a limb growing back? Also, taking a look at the "spontaneous" healing of the blind person, it didn't actually happen until 29 years _after_ the prayer. What kind of evidence is this?
@@jimmystevens9422 I never claimed there was a verified instance of a limb growing back. I did not research all the instances Mr Strobel is claiming here, but the question still remains. If a limb grows back how do you differentiate that as a miracle vs any other spontaneous cure to an incurable condition and not attribute the limb growing back to a natural cause. This is of course hypothetical. For example we know certain lizards can regrow their tail, so how could you claim it was a miracle and not some sort of new evolutionary process?
it's interesting that of the millions of people that pray for healing of some sort only a small percentage of them get healed same as atheists or muslims n Hindus who either don't pray or pray to a different God the healing rates are the same it's almost like it's a coincidence.
It's almost like you didn't listen to the podcast. One of the things Strobel is discussing here are outbreaks of clustered miracles in specific geographic locations, following a prayer intervention. This was being monitored by a medical team, who then replicated the experience in a different location.
Miracles are rare for a reason that's beyond my explaining to you, but for some reason the rule has changed here. It means something. I dare say it's a sign of the times.
Coincidental healing of blindness and MS immediately after a prayer. You have a lot of faith in coincidences.
@@SimpleAmadeus Only the healed woman herself and her minister husband can attest to the timing of the "miracle" and they are not exactly unbiased witnesses.
@@walterbrooks2329 Alright, so we're going to ignore the medically confirmed utterly impossible miracle healings, and focus on the fact that maybe they did not actually pray about it? You're going to base your conclusion on what you think could be a lie, and ignore the confirmed evidence that we do have, which totally supports the "biased" witness claim, by virtue of being a miracle to begin with?
@@SimpleAmadeus For one, I'm not ignoring anything. It was Strobel himself who emphasized the the timing of the miracle right after the prayer is what made the case compelling. But the only attestation to the timing of the miracle is from a likely biased source.
Second, how do you know it's "utterly impossible"? We do not know everything there is to know about the human body or medical science.
This story, like every miracle story, is "we don't know how it happened, therefor God did a miracle". In other words, an argument from ignorance.
No rationally skeptical person will ever be convinced by stories like these.
I’ve seen God work miracles, and experienced a couple of them myself, in Jesus’ name.
Most "miracles" are psychosomatic, things that can get better by positive disposition. One "miracle" that will NEVER happen, has never happened and will never happen is regrowing of teeth due to prayer. Once you lose your teeth you will NEVER regrow them through prayer. I never hear reports of regrown teeth by prayer but I have heard of regrown teeth by GENETICS and activation of the gene that causes teeth to grow...by SCIENCE.
@@andrewjohn2124 You wouldn't believe in a miracle even if you saw one, because you limit an all-knowing, omnipotent, benevolent and loving God.
Like, an absolutely, totally drunk elderly man sitting on a building’s steps in downtown Atlanta who when we asked if he wanted to be free from alcohol, he said yes. When we laid hands on him and prayed , he stood up and began to praise God on the sidewalk. He was instantly sober as a judge! We took him to a nearby church where he asked the pastor if he could please play his piano. He began to play that piano beautifully and professionally. The pastor was witness to his complete sobriety too.
Restoration! That's why Jesus came.
I have a very clear condition under which I will believe in a supernatural power. If someone comes to me and claims that they will heal me in the name of X, and then proceeds to successfully straighten out a crooked bone in my arm without inflicting any pain or discomfort upon me in the process, then I will instantly believe in X and that X almost certainly possesses supernatural powers.
Belief is one thing. Would you worship X and abide by their commandments?
@@jameybobamey7343 well, that's not guaranteed. If X healed me, and then demanded my soul in exchange, I'm not sure I would worship X. It depends on the additional properties of X as to whether or not I would feel compelled to worship it
I wish people would provide links to these miracles as reported in the peer reviewed research.
Nonetheless, good interview.
So anecdotal with no searchable references, and Lee can't even remember some details.
What are the names of the books about Barbara Snyder?
I need a miracle, life was destroyed, living in pain and misery, being tortured, abused and punished, no where to turn, running out of time
Hmm, apparently I’m being offered auto-generated subtitles in Dutch for some reason?
Amazing!
The Mozambique/ Brazil study had massive flaws in its methodology.
@@HarryNicNicholas Great point, Harry. They always seem to find giant's skeletons in a place nobody goes or knows.
What is the name of the book?
How do you explain miracles ? THE POWER OF GOD ❤️🙌🙏
Superstition
These are just miracle _claims,_ not confirmed miracles. Btw, who are the experts in miracles and supernatural phenomena?
Multiple examples that he gave were published in medical journals.
@@cosmic_order Which journals? Did they conclude they were miracles? And again, who are the experts in judging whether or not an actual miracle has occurred vs it just being an improbable natural occurrence?
@@jimmystevens9422 i googled them and found them pretty easily. i think the blind woman one is this one:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550830720300926
the kid with gastroparesis:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0965229918313116"
These are confirmed and much better attested than Tacitus. The supernatural miracle expert is Jesus Christ, reach out to him sincerely in prayer and he will answer your questions.
@@williamrice3052 Confirmed by who?
Our God is a wonderful God ❤️
oh god the journal this are published in are all for alternative health nuts
Where are these case studies? Link please.
They either don't exist or are horrifically flawed, which is why he doesn't get too specific.
It sounds like God's miracles are geographically correlated. Maybe I need to head to Brazil and pray. Bad reception in the US or something. Maybe I can get a better connection down there.
I think the reason is that God is looking for a rate of return on miracles, and Brazilians will be likelier to give God the glory.
So sad that Lee clings to and propagates these miracle healing stories. I mean think about it, how many Christian run hospitals and Christian run university medical faculties and programmes are there?... Hundreds!!! If proximal healing prayer is real, why aren't there whole wings of Christian hospitals dedicated to the practice and study of this divine treatment option?
Hospitals have chaplains, families, friends know of pastors to call on or are connected to a Biblical teaching church family who pray for each other.
My dad was in the hospital he had another patient in his room the other man had body fluid oozing out of all his pours. He wasn’t cognizant. It was bleak. I prayed for him. Didn’t pray out loud, nor lay hands on him just silently prayed for his health from dads side of the room.
The next day as I came into the room, I noticed he was healed. I’ve experienced miracles in my life and with family members. Do we all get healed? No. Why do some and not others only God knows that answer.
Therefore, we should never forsake praying for each other.
@@mnp870 If a Sikh told me the same story should I believe that his God and theology are true?
@@mnp870 What is the rate and degree of healing among those prayed for an not prayed for.
You don't understand how prayer works. It is not like magic or a super power
0:00 - 2:39 So did all these people’s doctors convert?
If they did, would you do the same?
4.46 ever heard of placebo?
Giving a phenomenon a name does not mean you have an explanation.
Yeah. A placebo is like the injection they gave Mike Pence when they alleged it was actually the C0V1D vaccine that time on TV when Pence announced the vaccine was "safe and effective". Do you trust Mike Pence?
You should make a better seating arrangement. All I see are craned necks and the sides of your faces
Thank you God for fixing the cataracts of Sam's mum
The Messiah (Jesus) son of Mary he is not GOD but a messenger, God almighty can NOT have a human Mother so are they saying the GOD almighty is half Human? Search for the truth "one message foundation" here RUclips
Is Jesus GOD ? if your answer is YES then this mean GOD impregnated his own mother virgin marry (not sexual)so he can come out from her?
Even the the bible says
Numbers 23:19
“God is not a man, Nor a son of man,
Numbers 23:19 New King James Version
“God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent.
Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?
Exodus 4:22, Luke 3:38, Psalms 2:7, and Jesus the bible states they are all the GOD first born how many first born does GOD have? if the bible from GOD definitely will not have any error, GOD Almighty will not make mistake.
1:39 "how do you explain that" is another way of saying "i don't know how to explain that".... and then, of course, his whole point is that he DOES know. Which is it, Lee?
are you joking?
@@ThrowAway271 based
How do you explain a miracle? He's allowing the audience to ponder and draw their own conclusions.
@@ThrowAway271 Exactly.... the question is "how do you explain this?". And the only reasonable response is "we don't know". There is no way to detect measure, or record a miracle. There's also no way to conclude that the cause of an event is NOT a miracle. It's pure speculation.
@@williamrice3052 Draw conclusions based on what? He doesn't name any of these people. He assumes that the only explanation for a healing event is a miracle, without offering any way to know if a miracle has or hasn't happened. It's confirmation bias.
Awesome!
The Case of Marion Carroll, in County Mayo in Ireland, recognized by the church as a miracle after several investigations.
What exactly happened?
@@aanon2550 Isn't that called the association fallacy? Just because the church did the research you don't trust it.
And I agree, to just trust on the authority of the person or group reporting it is a fallacy too.
I suggest you look at the report then.
They say “incurable...”
Incurable by WHO???
Links to studies? I'd like to show them to Atheist friends.
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What does atheism have to do with that?
Right back at'cha, buddy.
Let's not pretend that a considerable chunk of atheist trolls are not our friends and are here actively pushing their communist agenda. Perhaps the OP is unaware that every Communist dictatorship has a strict policy of State Atheism which Marxists use to justify their ongoing genocide of anybody who practices religion, with the notable exception of Judaism.
@@elgatofelix8917 all athiesism means is the non acceptance of the claim that a god exists. Thats it. Nothing more.
@@elgatofelix8917 Perhaps let's be a bit more generous. I could just as easily say that a considerable chunk of Christian trolls are not my friend, and that Christians have committed horrible actions in the past as well in the name of their God. But that would be to engage in a sort of genetic fallacy. Modern Christians are not like Christians of the past, and neither are atheists like atheists of the past. It's much more productive to assume that individuals are decent until they prove you wrong. And then, _that_ individual is not decent. But this does not carry over in any way to other individuals.
Anecdotes are not evidence for miracles. This is embarrassing from a man lauded as one of the heavy hitters among apologists
this is "The Boy Who Came Back From Heaven" level stuff. :(
According to Tacitus, Cassius Dio and Suetonius the Roman emperor Vespasian miraculously healed a blind man with the help of the god Serapis. Since this is better attested than the miracles of Jesus, then Christians should accept its historicity. If they reject it then they are being inconsistent in their historical epistemology.
But compare a possible documented case from 2k years ago to the dozens of documented miracles of Jesus Christ in the Bible expanding out to uncounted 1000's still on going today. Since we are accepting the supernatural consider the god of this world, satan, can perform lying signs and wonders before our eyes. But the God of Heaven provides real miracles and eternal life with Him in paradise. So let's choose Him!
@@williamrice3052 How do you know Satan wasn't responsible for the miracles of Jesus? I mean, if you're going to allow that as a possibility you need to consider that.
@@jimmystevens9422 Jesus answered that question Himself. The pharisees accused Jesus of being powered by Satan to do the miracles. But He responded by saying that He drives out demons and Satan, being the "main" demon, would not fight against his own work by driving demons out. Therefore His miraculous power was not from Satan.
@@migaotto292 But your evidence for that is the story itself which is circular logic. Of course, Satan would make Jesus say that or the gospels say that in order to deceive you.
@@jimmystevens9422 I think that you may be misunderstanding me. I am not saying that Jesus says that He is not from Satan, therefore it is true. I am merely employing the logic of Jesus. If it is true that Jesus drove out demons and Satan is the "main" demon, then His power cannot be from Satan since Satan will not use his power to defeat his own "workers". Unless Jesus did not actually drive out demons, but you would need good reasons to reject those parts and accept the other miracles.
But I saw times where it didn’t happen. Therefore it never happens
I have _only_ seen times where it didn't happen, so it doesn't happen. Induction is a decent tool, given enough of a sample size you can be incredibly confident in just about any phenomenological claim
@@thesuitablecommand yuh that’s what I said boss 😄
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Miracles are scientificly verified demonstrating God does exist
Lol no? If they can be scientifically explained they aren't miracles for definition, if they can't be scientifically explained that doesn't mean there is not an explanation. Or anyway a better one
Go do some research, I had the same opinion as you before discovering many unexplained miracles, like the Eucharistic Miracle, the numerous healings in Lourdes etc. God bless you
@@trailora6843 so if God exist both if there are explained and unexplained miracles, therefore the miracles are not relevant for determining the existence of God
@@lumbratile4174 Absolutely, but some miracles are so extraordinary that they encourage us to believe, even though there is no definite proof of the existence of God (such a proof would destroy the notion of faith).
Miracles have helped people come to faith over the centuries. But from a certain stage, your faith is not solely based on miracles anymore. You just know that God is here, you see Him everywhere, and you know that your relationship with Jesus is 100% real
@@trailora6843 then why do you engage in rational thinking at all??? Why even miracles at all? If you are so sure, why are you here? If faith is the only necessary and sufficient requirement, why?
Wow, this indeed is a huge problem for atheist!
How? I _just_ looked at the study he referenced.
...then I was immediately linked to a study that debunked proximity prayer 10 years later. Not a good sign when 1 study says x and another says y.
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So good!