I find blasting off usually results in the opponent calling with any pair. I cant justify it in MTTs when I cant trust random opponents to fold 4th or 5th pair
1:23 Thanks Jonathan! Could you look at this timestamp and clarify please? I do pot odds now without even thinking bc I’ve been doing it for 20 years. Isn’t this example now a $150 pot with the bet the villain made $50 into a $100 pot. Now I have to call $50 to win a $150 pot. Isn’t this 33%? I read other comments and some people were confused. If you are adding the hero’s bet to it and it’s actually $50 to win $200, then with your formula can you actually write out the numbers below and instead of bet replace it with villain bet and hero bet and show the math. Thanks buddy! Great work!
This confused me as well. If it's bet/(bet+pot) and you said it was a $50 bet into a $100 pot wouldn't it be 50/(50+100)? Basically 50/150. You said it was 50/200. So are you adding your call to the pot to make it $200 or did you just say the wrong number?
You're thinking of fractional odds vs an equity percentage. You are getting 3:1 here ($150 to win : $50 bet) but you need to win 25% of the time to break even (-$50-$50-$50+$150=$0).
@@mike62380 You have to add the pot which is 100. Then add the 50 that the villain bet. And the part you are forgetting about is the 50 that you would be calling with because if you win you get your call back as well.
If you bet 50 into 100, your opponent have to call 50 for a total pot of 200, so he needs 25% of equity to win. Let's say he win 1 out of 3 like you thought: 1 time he wins (net) 150, 2 times he loses (net) 50, for a total of 100. This is not equilibrium, because he could profitably call with less than 33% of equity. If he win 1 out of 4 (25%), then 1 time he wins (net) 150, and 3 times he loses (net) 50, for a total of 150. This is a break even point, the minimum equity he needs to call to be profitable. When in doubt try this method to fully understand the why :)
I understand this concept . The only problem is players in most games are so loose that you can’t get them to fold when you bluff. So I would only use this theory if I’m playing more nitty type players . Otherwise Donkeys are going to OverCall you most of the time and kill this concept … In tournaments ok but cash I would be more cautious with bluffing donkeys
True. But thankfully, there is another exploit you can pounce upon. When donkeys fold to bluffs, they often are indifferent to the bet SIZE. This means that if you bluff $60 into a pot of $100, they are almost as likely to fold as if you put $120 into a pot of $100. This means you can exploit that by bluffing at a smaller size, risking less of your stack, and profiting long term. Case in point, I had a hand last night (deep 1/2 cash game) that was a 3-bet pot. I raised pre UTG+1 to $15 with 98hh, a few calls, but more importantly, BB 3-bets to $60. I call, everyone else folds. Flop comes 973 with 2 spades and a heart. Opponent c-bets for about 2/5 pot. I call (knowing the opponent, I have him on an overpair, I'm just looking to spike two pair or trips due to the implied odds and being super deep). Turn is the king of spades, which completes the flush draw and puts a high card out. Opponent checks, I check. River is a brick (6 of clubs I think?). Opponent checks. This is where what I was talking about about comes into play. By this point, and with how face up this opponent has been all night, I put him on exactly TT, JJ, or QQ. All of which beat me. Even though GTO would be checking this down as fast as humanely possible, exploitatively if I check, I lose. I need to bluff to win. Now, this is player dependent, but this opponent fits the mold I was discussing at the beginning in that he is probably just as likely to fold to a jam ($350 effective) or a small value-like bet. I chose to go small -- like 1/4 pot small. I put in $90. Opponent tanks folds, and I win a sizeable pot while risking relatively quite little.
Question why do we only have approximately 9 sets in our value range in your example instead of 15. Wouldn't it be 3 combos of Jacks, Fives, Fours, Aces, and Tens?
If this was a 100bb or 200bb cash game I'm wondering if he would still do this bluff or take the same betting line. Seems like you would get stacked a lot here with this betting sequence.
I've been trying bluffs over the pot size, and they do cause the villain to often fold winning hands. Finally I am bluffing enough. I know that because I get caught every now and then, my valuebets get paid more often now.
Can you clarify step 3 of the in-game implementation? The equation makes sense when I know X, but I don't know how I would quickly solve it at the table if i didn't. Got any tips for this?
I think that in mid stakes online tornaments it's impossible to apply profitebly due to the fact you play 10th of 1000 different opponent's every time you play and they all have different tendencies and leeks that you need to exploit or you are leaving money on the table
Hey Jonathan, at 6:26 onwards the formula 52/(52+x)=0.36 is wrong and should be x/(x+52)=0.36 which would give x=30. Your formula doesn’t give the correct answer. Love your videos. Hope this helps.
That doesn’t work at a higher level because all good players follow the minimum defence frequency. But you’re sort of right from an exploitive point of view but it’s a theoretical video
@KyprosEc Ok so the total pot is $100. Your opponent bets 50 dollars into the pot meaning that there is 150 in the pot. In order for you to get to showdown you need to call the 50 dollar which would mean that the total pot at the end would be $200 that you would get if you called and won. Which is where the $200 comes from.
As much as I like listening to you, I can never grasp most of it. I'm hoping its getting lodged into my subconscious somewhere and my brain is making use of it as and when needed.
I have been playing around 22 years, and i am an older guy. I do not use any problem solvers or GTO. I just play the person and my cards, reading the table and making bets based on opponents tells and bet history. In tournaments new people are arriving at your table constantly, so u have to be able to read your opponent fast. I cashed 3 straight events in the WSOP last year, this year cashes also. I play cash very rarely,,,,,,
ALWAYS talking about equity, but no one explains equity…how can i have 25% (for example), UNLESS i KNOW my opponents hand, which no one can EVER know 100% (unless one sees their opponents cards)….its All NOTHING BUT conjecture and is reduced to being a guessing game.
Elite players don't care about this at all. They just using experience, MDA and reads to determine if you gonna overfold or overcall in a given spot and then way overbluff in one and underbluff in the other scenario. You can ask any top tier cash player. Missed that one J.L. :((
The best win more because they play more. Bankroll and support goes a long way. Luck is a major factor. But most good players loose because they don't play enough hours, or don't buy in enough. Try to match the average stack on the table when playing cash.
Solvers are useless. Every game is different. Where I play in Miami they will call you all the way down with 44's and beat your 33's. They hardly fold. Lost to Q high last night on a 2 board b-pot where I bet the whole way. I didn't bluff the river but it was impossible to get a fold. I was wrong that 1 time. Later I won a 3 way all in pre flop with A Q high
Solvers are not useless if you knew the correct GTO play on every move and then use some common sense to adjust depending on how your opponents are playing you would be a massive winner in these games. The more mistakes your opponents make and it sounds like they're idiots by calling everything the more money you will make in the long run. If you don't know GTO or the correct solver decision you're just straight up guessing and don't have a solid reference point on where to adjust from. That being said I find it extremely hard to know the correct GTO play in most situations, the people that can do this are often professionals or very profitable regs
@@kevinz8619 who said never bluff. And NO you are WRONG. Solvers can not guarantee a profit in the long run. Hence why you don't play poker for a living.
Im like, are you aware that this makes NO fucking SENSE to someone new to Poker?? I def miss some explanations be cause im not sure wth u talking about. I probably do understand a little bit moretheless? but… NO it somehow makes no sense still. Its like you recite the numbers without explaining it for Dummies like me.. I would NOT be able to repeat what you just told us to someone else in any comprehensive format! Therefore i do not like this video as much! But you surely are trying!? I guess.. *im just not familiar with the terms. Pot odds… than we get some kind of calculation. Of how often we would/should win? Is that related to a specific hand? It looks like Rocket science to me 🚀, and im sure Poker is not that Complicated right? 👉 Maybe you can do a video for the Dummies like me? Im not a Poker Wizard! However i do think that i understood pretty much 85% of the game when i just got started a few months ago! Aside from all the knowledge to do with Position and Range and stuff. I do understand this a little bit now, however it didnt change my play A LOT yet! For i have interpreted this understanding already before really learning about it!! So… Maybe u can do a bit deeper explanation for the Dummies to understand your theories better for i find it a bit complicated. Even if its probably not that difficult. (I have never been a math guy though besides calculating) So this is my humble recquest.
Yo dude this video is obviously NOT for someone that just started playing. You have ALOT to learn before you should worry about learning this. For real…
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Thank you. Very valuable. And in 10 minutes.
I find blasting off usually results in the opponent calling with any pair. I cant justify it in MTTs when I cant trust random opponents to fold 4th or 5th pair
1:23 Thanks Jonathan! Could you look at this timestamp and clarify please? I do pot odds now without even thinking bc I’ve been doing it for 20 years. Isn’t this example now a $150 pot with the bet the villain made $50 into a $100 pot. Now I have to call $50 to win a $150 pot. Isn’t this 33%? I read other comments and some people were confused. If you are adding the hero’s bet to it and it’s actually $50 to win $200, then with your formula can you actually write out the numbers below and instead of bet replace it with villain bet and hero bet and show the math. Thanks buddy! Great work!
This confused me as well. If it's bet/(bet+pot) and you said it was a $50 bet into a $100 pot wouldn't it be 50/(50+100)? Basically 50/150. You said it was 50/200. So are you adding your call to the pot to make it $200 or did you just say the wrong number?
You're thinking of fractional odds vs an equity percentage. You are getting 3:1 here ($150 to win : $50 bet) but you need to win 25% of the time to break even (-$50-$50-$50+$150=$0).
Yes i went back 3 times to that exact spot. It confused me a bit.
@@mike62380 You have to add the pot which is 100. Then add the 50 that the villain bet. And the part you are forgetting about is the 50 that you would be calling with because if you win you get your call back as well.
If you bet 50 into 100, your opponent have to call 50 for a total pot of 200, so he needs 25% of equity to win.
Let's say he win 1 out of 3 like you thought: 1 time he wins (net) 150, 2 times he loses (net) 50, for a total of 100. This is not equilibrium, because he could profitably call with less than 33% of equity.
If he win 1 out of 4 (25%), then 1 time he wins (net) 150, and 3 times he loses (net) 50, for a total of 150. This is a break even point, the minimum equity he needs to call to be profitable.
When in doubt try this method to fully understand the why :)
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Don’t jump directly to this strategy.
I understand this concept . The only problem is players in most games are so loose that you can’t get them to fold when you bluff. So I would only use this theory if I’m playing more nitty type players . Otherwise Donkeys are going to OverCall you most of the time and kill this concept … In tournaments ok but cash I would be more cautious with bluffing donkeys
True. But thankfully, there is another exploit you can pounce upon. When donkeys fold to bluffs, they often are indifferent to the bet SIZE. This means that if you bluff $60 into a pot of $100, they are almost as likely to fold as if you put $120 into a pot of $100. This means you can exploit that by bluffing at a smaller size, risking less of your stack, and profiting long term.
Case in point, I had a hand last night (deep 1/2 cash game) that was a 3-bet pot. I raised pre UTG+1 to $15 with 98hh, a few calls, but more importantly, BB 3-bets to $60. I call, everyone else folds. Flop comes 973 with 2 spades and a heart. Opponent c-bets for about 2/5 pot. I call (knowing the opponent, I have him on an overpair, I'm just looking to spike two pair or trips due to the implied odds and being super deep). Turn is the king of spades, which completes the flush draw and puts a high card out. Opponent checks, I check. River is a brick (6 of clubs I think?). Opponent checks.
This is where what I was talking about about comes into play. By this point, and with how face up this opponent has been all night, I put him on exactly TT, JJ, or QQ. All of which beat me. Even though GTO would be checking this down as fast as humanely possible, exploitatively if I check, I lose. I need to bluff to win.
Now, this is player dependent, but this opponent fits the mold I was discussing at the beginning in that he is probably just as likely to fold to a jam ($350 effective) or a small value-like bet. I chose to go small -- like 1/4 pot small. I put in $90. Opponent tanks folds, and I win a sizeable pot while risking relatively quite little.
What does building ranges mean? Opening up your range?
Question why do we only have approximately 9 sets in our value range in your example instead of 15. Wouldn't it be 3 combos of Jacks, Fives, Fours, Aces, and Tens?
If this was a 100bb or 200bb cash game I'm wondering if he would still do this bluff or take the same betting line. Seems like you would get stacked a lot here with this betting sequence.
I've been trying bluffs over the pot size, and they do cause the villain to often fold winning hands. Finally I am bluffing enough. I know that because I get caught every now and then, my valuebets get paid more often now.
Still a losing player
@@barygolyou’ll get there keep studying and implementing💪🏼📈
@@zachexum4203 he is still a losing player, not me
Can you clarify step 3 of the in-game implementation? The equation makes sense when I know X, but I don't know how I would quickly solve it at the table if i didn't. Got any tips for this?
Same, good question!~
What GTO solver output do you recommend? Is there a good option for IOS?
ALSO a great question, was just in my app store lol while scrolling here.~
I think that in mid stakes online tornaments it's impossible to apply profitebly due to the fact you play 10th of 1000 different opponent's every time you play and they all have different tendencies and leeks that you need to exploit or you are leaving money on the table
Right.. and how do you have enough time to figure out those leaks so you can exploit?
@@thesorrow88 you pay attention to how they play and take notes
Isn’t it technically bet/(2xbet+pot). So if he bets 50 into 100 your odds are 50/(100+100)=25%
Hey Jonathan, at 6:26 onwards the formula 52/(52+x)=0.36 is wrong and should be x/(x+52)=0.36 which would give x=30. Your formula doesn’t give the correct answer.
Love your videos. Hope this helps.
The math in this video kindve explains the counterintuitive phenomenon of smaller bets working better as bluffs sometimes
That doesn’t work at a higher level because all good players follow the minimum defence frequency. But you’re sort of right from an exploitive point of view but it’s a theoretical video
WOW - It looks like you know something about this....THANKS
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Thr first formula still doesn’t make sense. 50/(50+100) = 33%
Isn't it 50/(50+100+call?50)
@KyprosEc Ok so the total pot is $100. Your opponent bets 50 dollars into the pot meaning that there is 150 in the pot. In order for you to get to showdown you need to call the 50 dollar which would mean that the total pot at the end would be $200 that you would get if you called and won. Which is where the $200 comes from.
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As much as I like listening to you, I can never grasp most of it. I'm hoping its getting lodged into my subconscious somewhere and my brain is making use of it as and when needed.
Hire one of his coaches, bro
If you keep hearing same stuff over and over some of it will stick for sure.
I have been playing around 22 years, and i am an older guy. I do not use any problem solvers or GTO. I just play the person and my cards, reading the table and making bets based on opponents tells and bet history. In tournaments new people are arriving at your table constantly, so u have to be able to read your opponent fast. I cashed 3 straight events in the WSOP last year, this year cashes also. I play cash very rarely,,,,,,
Have you thought about life cove $30 a week could be in the millions range.
ALWAYS talking about equity, but no one explains equity…how can i have 25% (for example), UNLESS i KNOW my opponents hand, which no one can EVER know 100% (unless one sees their opponents cards)….its All NOTHING BUT conjecture and is reduced to being a guessing game.
Elite players don't care about this at all. They just using experience, MDA and reads to determine if you gonna overfold or overcall in a given spot and then way overbluff in one and underbluff in the other scenario. You can ask any top tier cash player. Missed that one J.L. :((
I always ask what mt opponent has so I can work out my odds more betterly.
The best win more because they play more. Bankroll and support goes a long way. Luck is a major factor. But most good players loose because they don't play enough hours, or don't buy in enough. Try to match the average stack on the table when playing cash.
50 bet divided by (50 bet + 100 in the pot= 150 jonathan, NOT 200)….wow, teaching math and he can’t get that right? 50/150=33% people
dont play on scamstars boyz, shi t so scam over years its embarassing
oh no. 50 + 100 = 200 😅
I had to do a second take, but it was 50 + the pot (50 +100) = 200
Think about is as the villains bet x2, + the size of the pot
@@backseatbroadcasting2356 same here
The pot is 150 not 100. After opponent bets 50 into the 100 sized pot. The pot is now 150. So 50 + 150
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Solvers are useless. Every game is different. Where I play in Miami they will call you all the way down with 44's and beat your 33's. They hardly fold.
Lost to Q high last night on a 2 board b-pot where I bet the whole way.
I didn't bluff the river but it was impossible to get a fold. I was wrong that 1 time.
Later I won a 3 way all in pre flop with A Q high
... if no one ever folds just never bluff?
Also if you play like a solver the point is that you CAN'T LOSE money in the long run.
Solvers are not useless if you knew the correct GTO play on every move and then use some common sense to adjust depending on how your opponents are playing you would be a massive winner in these games. The more mistakes your opponents make and it sounds like they're idiots by calling everything the more money you will make in the long run. If you don't know GTO or the correct solver decision you're just straight up guessing and don't have a solid reference point on where to adjust from. That being said I find it extremely hard to know the correct GTO play in most situations, the people that can do this are often professionals or very profitable regs
@@cjgooding4512 solvers are like lambos, they can help you score but there is no guarantee.
Millions of pros can't even spell solvers.
@@kevinz8619 who said never bluff. And NO you are WRONG. Solvers can not guarantee a profit in the long run. Hence why you don't play poker for a living.
@@ViralReality. ?? If no one folds the obvious exploit is to never bluff. Why would you even need a solver at this point.
Im like, are you aware that this makes NO fucking SENSE to someone new to Poker??
I def miss some explanations be cause im not sure wth u talking about.
I probably do understand a little bit moretheless? but… NO it somehow makes no sense still.
Its like you recite the numbers without explaining it for Dummies like me..
I would NOT be able to repeat what you just told us to someone else in any comprehensive format!
Therefore i do not like this video as much! But you surely are trying!? I guess..
*im just not familiar with the terms. Pot odds… than we get some kind of calculation.
Of how often we would/should win?
Is that related to a specific hand?
It looks like Rocket science to me 🚀, and im sure Poker is not that Complicated right?
👉 Maybe you can do a video for the Dummies like me? Im not a Poker Wizard!
However i do think that i understood pretty much 85% of the game when i just got started a few months ago!
Aside from all the knowledge to do with Position and Range and stuff.
I do understand this a little bit now, however it didnt change my play A LOT yet! For i have interpreted this understanding already before really learning about it!!
So… Maybe u can do a bit deeper explanation for the Dummies to understand your theories better for i find it a bit complicated. Even if its probably not that difficult.
(I have never been a math guy though besides calculating)
So this is my humble recquest.
Yo dude this video is obviously NOT for someone that just started playing. You have ALOT to learn before you should worry about learning this. For real…