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Wanting the Rhythm but Not the Blues and Are Women Too Independent?
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
- A beauty blogger has been called out on social media for allegedly Blackfishing, but she says her darker skin is just the result of vacationing in the sun. Plus, we’re diving into one man’s thoughts on women who are too independent.
"Everybody wants our rhythm, but you don't want our blues!"...Now, THAT is real.
IKR
I love that Loni shut them down. This one was a no brainer. She’s blackfishing. Half these internet girls doing it know exactly what they’re doing and why they’re doing in.
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@CC In the winter time i look white...but im Italian and in the summertime i can get extremely tan. I honestly would be hurt if someone said i was "blackfishing". This is who i am. Im not trying be someone im not. So we should be careful and get the full story first.
Jeannie really irked me on this one. What if folks were making themselves look Asian? 🤔 I wonder if she would have the same sentiments on a “make up look” FOH!
Then black women stop wearing straight wigs, blonde hair, clear makeup and clear contacts. Because is white. You don't have that naturally. Tired of this B.S. when black people have to be victims.
@@millyh4660 LOL
This is so frustrating . Loni I 100% agree with you . Black face should never be a beauty trend or ever excused .
Then black women stop wearing straight wigs, blonde hair, clear makeup and clear contacts. Tired of this B.S. when black people have to be victims.
exactly
Speak on it Loni!!! The others are trying to skirt around pointlessly....smh🙄
That's because Adrienne and Jeannie both fake like they have that Black Girl Magic sometimes and they both tan so much that they occasionally look like Loni on this show. I love them, but am not blind to the fraud. And Tamera clings as much as possible to the white side of her DNA, which is why I love Tia so much because she KNOWS she is a Black Woman and she's proud of it.
They want the rhythm and not the blues
@@Sali-yw1rd She doesn’t look white
@@Sali-yw1rd she is listed on multiple ig pages celebrating black women but doesn't speak against any of it. They all want the good parts of looking black without having to deal with the prejudice and discrimination we deal with everyday.
No. Jeannie is wrong, make up doesn’t mean changing your whole skin color.
Then black women stop wearing straight wigs, blonde hair, clear makeup and clear contacts. Because is white. You don't have that naturally. Tired of this B.S. when black people have to be victims.
Wow loni is the only one saying the right thing
Preach
😂😂😂💀
This comment is thorough
Not really all the girls here had a valid point at certain times
@@jamarbooker8573no because Jenny was like oh look at this person who's doing makeup that makeup is different from black fishing in Adrian does not even know what's going on.
I just wanna say Jeannie got on my nerves on this one.
How so may I ask?
@Arianator wilding I don't think it,s a tan I think it,s melanin and I believe she's a fraud
@Arianator wilding that ain't a natural tan, it is fraud. Yes, she is a beautiful and gorgeous woman but come on!!! As Loni said people be wanting the rhythm but not the blues.
@@carolineellison2562 100%
@Arianator wilding EXACTLY that's what I said. Even if you look at her father he is really tan
where is amanda when we need her.
ps: thx loni for calling her out
No one is mad at the Kardashian’s for doing this..... 🤷🏽♀️
Mad at Kylie Jenner for sure since the day I saw that pic of her going out makeup less to a friend's house.
@@divMINOR you mean without her Latina makeup 😂
@@thecitygirl6633 But JLo always looks Latina. She doesn't look like she's trying to be another ethnicity unlike say Kylie Jenner.
@Arianator wilding Girl, please. We have all seen the before and afters. She tans 20 shades darker, plump up her lips, dyes her hair black, and tries to pass as a mini Kim. She tries to look middle eastern.
@Arianator wilding She has dark brown hair naturally not jet black. That's just one factor in a list of many where she tries her best to look anything other than plain white. Kris always looks like a white woman. Why are you trying so hard to defend these white women? Are you a white girl who tries her best to look like another race too?
i really don’t believe that’s her natural tan. she’s making herself darker obviously.
My sister can get that dark in the summer, however I don’t believe this girl can either. Southern Europeans usually can get really dark tans in the summer, but she‘s from Northern Europe so I doubt that she can.. I believe she‘s using some sort of filters or other editing to make her look so dark in the pictures
@@FranzyMa not necessarily, I’m from Eastern Europe and I have light olive skin and get very very brown in the summer it really depends on your skin undertone
@@Firelightersimsxx yes that’s also true of course it depends on your undertone :)
It's natural. She posted a pic of her as a child and she was tan with curly hair
@Arianator wilding right
Still can’t get over how Jeanie behaved in this. She’s now married to a black man and expecting a half black baby. I really hope some of the ignorance and dismissive nature regarding black issues has disappeared within her because that baby is going to need a mother who understands that being black comes with certain, exclusive issues. She seems to have matured though since these days so I have hope she’d never say something like this today
Jeannie is a whole mess! Her point in this video doesn’t even make sense…. Always trying to downplay black issues
Well said!!
Jeannie is an undercover racist, she fetishizes black men while downplaying or down right ignoring, the existence of black women, she’s a typical Asian women that sees herself as a white passing person, she’s aloof, disrespectful, oblivious, and unwilling to learn.
Black face is black face is black face. Jeanie needs to get with the program and Adrienne needs to stop acting confused. Like why are we beating around the bush 😒
Thank goodness Loni was there! I can't with the rest of them. This conversation is too big for this table. "Everybody wants our rhythm and not our blues."
i hate the biracial people like tamera. she acts so oblivious. and when it comes to racial issues she’s always quiet. it’s not about picking sides, it’s about sticking up for the oppressed.
@@dayjahomara Damn, tell us how you REALLY feel! 🤣😂🤣
I'm biracial but you betta believe I know I'm a Black woman and that's what I fight for. From my perspective, white chicks have enough people protecting them. They don't need us making excuses for them, too. Let's fight for US and stop that both sides mess.
A man wearing makeup is NOT EVEN ANYWHERE CLOSE to a white woman painting her skin brown & perming her hair to make money whilst taking away opportunities from real black women. SO disappointed in Jeannie for even comparing the 2, it’s almost like she’s condoning Emma & would like to do the same herself 😒 Also preach Adrienne at the 2nd topic
as much as i love jeannie i did not like her in this topic. she was very dismissive
Exactly her point was ridiculous
I do think people should apply the same standards to everything to keep it consistent. The agenda is that having brown skin when your skin in white is bad because you are appropriating from people who naturally come from that culture. This white girl is using parts of black culture to make money just like boys wearing makeup is using parts of woman culture to make money. The white girl is taking influencing opportunities from the black influencer and the man with the makeup is taking influencing opportunities from the woman with the makeup. You can’t just give the same behavior a pass just because it comes from a group you approve of.
@@razojacqueline no bc black people have been made fun of for YEARS for how they look and the color of their skin and ridiculed for the way they act, yet when a little pale white girl "looks" and "acts" like a black girl, its rewarded and celebrated. The treatment and response towards Black and white girls aint the same and thats what loni meant by the bigger picture. The "standards" you mention can be the same, but the reality is, the response from people are not, therefore NO.
Then black women stop wearing straight wigs, blonde hair, clear makeup and clear contacts. Because is white. You don't have that naturally. Tired of this B.S. when black people have to be victims.
This is blackface, thank you Loni, thank you!!!!
Being wanted means so much more than being needed.
That's the female perspective. Men need to be needed/relied on by his woman. This makes him feel masculine and want to go into the world and provide and protect his wife and children. It's a manly, fatherly instinct that women will never understand. In fact most women will feel disgusted if her man needed/depended on her.
@@annatar6453 and I understand that too! I'm not taking away from that.
@@annatar6453 Exactly! The ladies were very wrong in their assessment. I hear far too many women whining about how they don't understand men. But when a man tells them what he really thinks, the women pounce on him, scream and tell him to shut tf up. Sheesh.
I am white as hell and if I go outside for too long I burn and I can’t get that dark.
OHH HELL NO!I disagree with Jeanie. The girl and plenty others are loving being seen racially ambiguous.
Why did they keep bringing up Patrick starr he's just a drag queen he has nothing to do with blackfishing
The different is, that first Instagram girl can take off that darker foundation at the end of the day and be white. Real black or biracial people can *never* take off their born-into skin color and be white. And as far as what Jeannie was saying about black women wearing wigs - not so much now, but the history of that is *BLACK WOMEN WOULD NOT GET HIRED WITHOUT IT* (in years gone past). Again, I’m not saying in 2020, but even not that long ago - 10 years in 2010, I went for a modeling job and was told that my natural hair was “distracting” and that I would have to straighten it to book the job. I’ve heard stories of little black girls just minding their business in class and getting kicked out of school for wearing *their natural hair* (not a straight weave) in braids. Make it make sense 💁🏽♀️. Obviously it’s a lot better now, but the point I’m trying to make here is that, that Swedish woman is putting on the skin color and hair for fun, black women (especially in years gone past) had to put on straight/wavy hair *for survival.*
PREACH! POINT BLANK PERIOD
@Arianator wilding You’re the one putting your racist views all over here.
@Arianator wilding you don't stop either now do you. The woman is clearly benefitting from resembling a black woman. She is on multiple pages directed towards black women and does not speak against any of it. She gets the good parts of looking black without having to deal with the struggles that we face EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.
I don't get why someone would be sent home from school but big hair would actually be distracting regardless of colour. Same with tattoos in modelling.
@@fairydust950 but these girls are not modelling now are they? They're little kids that get discriminated for the way their hair grows out of their head. Someone with straight hair could dye it hot pink and it wouldn't be an issue but as soon as its someone hair that's simply 'different', it becomes a problem. It's only a distraction because other kids are not used to it.
Loni isn’t taking any nonsense!
Everyone else needs to stop making excuses or trying to “understand” something that is blatant appropriation and blackface 🤦🏻♀️
And Jeannie is saying that Patrick Star isn’t being his “natural “ self is definitely rooted in toxic masculinity or something. Not to mention her comparing blackface to a makeup look! 🤢
How about ya'll bring her on the show and ask her...
Loni was right the ladies were really making an excuse for her.
Not Genie comparing black face to makeup looks.... and saying be your natural self no honey thats not it make up and portraying yourself was a woman of color are not even close to comparable no one starting with the skin tone on the left can naturally get as tan as on the pic on the right the under tone is totally different and it's not possible to change your undertone period!!!
@Arianator wilding bc race and sexuality are different
@Arianator wilding that literally does not make sense and you have obviously have never really seen middle eastern women I have family from Bangladesh on my husband's side none are that light completed and what does sexism have to do with appropriating a race? I think you should educate yourself on the words you hear on social media and not just regurgitate them with no idea what they mean....
@Arianator wilding The fact that you are trying to compare sexism to cultural appropriation... and I never said it was in the middle east I pointed out different cultures and them not being as dark as the girl... the hole point is ITS CULTURAL APPROPRIATION TO PRETEND TO TO BE A DIFFERENT ETHNICITY FOR CLOUT MONEY etc. when you don't carry any of that cultures issues period end of story you seriously chose anything that seemed flawed in my comment to call me stupid when you where ignorant for thinking sexism has anything to do with black face.. And ypu seem to be SO pressed over my comment and you don't even know me and you are willingly giving me your energy putting yourself in a negative head space taking up your free time over what exactly? Lmao must suck to SUCK!
Love it Loni!! Rhythm not Blues!! So true!!
she can be on Instagram all day making money as a black women then take off her makeup, get in her car as a white woman and not worry about being pulled over. Everybody is going for that mixed and racially ambiguous look. 1) It’s easy (curl your hair a bit, get a dark tan, and wear some hoop earrings). 2)They want to be black enough to make coins but not enough to catch a case. There nothing wrong with being mixed, It’s a cute look but it’s not yours. We as black people are nothing but recourses to them, they see our skin and our swag as dollar signs and it’s dehumanizing.
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Adrienne: What's her ethnicity?
Loni: She's Swedish!
Adrienne: No, that's a country!
oh boy.......
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Adrienne didn't say "ethnicity;" she said "race." (4:02) Indicating that someone is Swedish doesn't tell me anything specific about their race. Her question wasn't silly.
@@Ravengal101 If someone lives in Swedan and is Swedish, it's safe to say it is their ethinicity that is Swedish and thus their race is white. Swedan is defininity not like America with all the diversity
@@winterwaffle16 I don't think it's "safe" to say that. It overlooks immigrants and minority groups (such as the Tornedalers, Roma, and Sami).
@@Ravengal101 but there is a picture of the person in question and the controversy was stated. If she was from a minority group that was darker like in the second pic, there wouldn't be a controversy being discussed
Idk why Adrienne acting all confused she herself sometimes look really dark/ "very tan"
Adrienne betta PREACHHH
That guy is obviously DELUSIONAL. Women deserve to be as much as independent as they want to be.
I would like to hear them talk about this topic now I feel like they would have different thoughts and would understand the issue better
Adrienne served this clown!!! Whoo!🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
He's saying having the attitude that you don't need a man for anything is not attractive to men. Honestly, being a independent woman doesn't mean you don't need a man. It means you are cable of financially supporting yourself.
Is this me or was this clip already posted? I've seen this before...and I didn't catch it live. Hmm. Regardless....I miss them.
Yeah maybe in one of those short ass segments they post lmao
Yeah...
It’s not only the tanning it’s the hair and the whole demeanor to go with it, and makeup is for everyone not only women it’s art give me a break Jeannie 🙄
I feel like women seem to struggle finding the balance between letting a man be a man in her life, and knowing how to still her own.
This is a prime example of why Jeannie is problematic. Time and time again she has shown her ignorance when it comes to racial issues. She just doesn’t get it. She was really equating beauty techniques to blackface and had nerve to act confused as to why it’s inappropriate.
everyone but loni fumbled this conversation
I miss Tamera on this show..
I always love Jeannie but in this Jeannie kept losing me😅 I am sorry, it wasnt that hard to understand that she was blackfishing.
Am Fatou Jagne from the Gambia West Africa, but will be in this platform one day INSHAA ALLAH.
I have a story to tell and this is one of the platforms that people will really hear my voice as victim/survivor of human trafficking
The world need to hear us
We definitely need this type this platform so that we can all make the world a better place for everyone to live.
Please GOD make my dream come through
What happened?
bruh, i’m mexican AND a swimmer and i can’t even get that dark 🤣😭 wtf
Marcus is a little beotch. Lets move on. Hes insecure. A real man will be your best hype man. And yes Adrienne went tf off. Yaassssss Ade
Jeannie needs to keep quiet sometimes honestly.Respectfully
She ADRIENNE goes from pale AF to super dark in the summer herself so why she acting mad confused?
I appreciate Loni! She shut it down…. It’s deeper than just doing black fishing’
I've got a friend who is caucasian - both her parents are white. I can't remember which side of her family it is, but she had great-grandparents that were Portuguese. My friend has very dark olive skin, thick loose curly hair and plump lips. Her brother looks straight up white. She just happened to get recessive genes. I've always been envious of her beauty.
Jeanie needs to get it together . Patrick being a girl and a white person being black is two different thing .
Yesss Adrian 🔥🔥🔥 I love you ladies
This may sound so weird but Loni makes me feel like everything is going to be okay lol
Jeannie is so wrong here.
I hate how dismissive this conversation was, Loni was 100% right.
Loni is the real one, saying it like it is
I love when Adrienne pop off on dumb people like this 😂❤👍🏼
I’m not being funny but celebs do this all the time. Ariana Grande and the kardashian/jenners tan to the point that they look like a different race. Obv I know the kardashians are half Armenian but why is it that being brown/dark skin is a trend for you now when we weren’t celebrated for our skin tones growing up
@Arianator wilding Oh really? Just had a look and she looks like a white girl to me so wouldn’t say she is “pretty dark naturally”.
I can see you’re a fan of Ariana by your name. I wasn’t trying to cause you offence to the point that you have to defend her. Just saying that her skin tone has seemed to evolve over the years and is celebrated now
@Arianator wilding Hmm I get what you’re saying but there’s olive undertones and then there’s fake tan
@Arianator wilding Not even in her 34+35 video? She looks great but she looks Latina or south Asian like me
@@sharminbegum5204 Lol, Sharmin, you are spot on. Don't let this stan tell you otherwise. Ariana loves to look ethnically ambiguous. She does heavily tan her skin. Don't get me started on Kylie Jenner who originally looked like a little Irish girl with pale skin, and thin lips, and a skinny body and then tried to transform herself into a middle eastern woman.
@Arianator wilding As a grown and independent woman, I’m pretty sure she can make decisions for herself so I don’t believe that the record label is to blame for her altering her skin tone to draw in audiences who are people of colour. I honestly thought she was Latina when I first saw her because I didn’t watch her show and boy oh boy.
Putting on a dress doesn't make you a woman so Patrick and this chiq aren't doing the same thing she's approriating our skin which isn't an accessory
Damn Lonni making me hyena laugh while at work listening to this! The part ‘I’ve had black men in me!’ 🤣
Uh oh...the Scorpio stinger came out from Adrienne. 🤎 She’s not playing games with these lames today
Jeannie and Addrienne used to argue some real crazy points
Now Jeannie .. 😐
Exactly they want someone to come home to but they also want to do anything they want.
Jeannie stay on Asian topic. You know nothing about BLACK women😳
Loni the only one keeping it 💯
Loni tell they ass they will never get it!
Its very obvious when appropriation is happening and it's not that women are too independent. By nature both men and women are dependent on each other. It's how the universe works. You need both female energy and masculine energy. This happens not just with humans but with, other species and plants...facts or facts?
I hate that they try to tip toe around this. It’s black face. Yes Loni!!! Stop making excuses.
Was hoping this was an updated conversation since Jeanie has started to tan even darker since being with Jeezy. I love y'all ladies but y'all have to be aware of ways y'all can be hypocrites in some way that may offend black women. This is a form of appropriating even if Jeanie doesn't want to acknowledge it.
She’s SE Asian and we are naturally darker than East Asians. There’s a reason why we’re called “jungle Asians.” And she’s always been “dark.” So maybe with Jeezy she feels comfortable being dark and not hiding in the shade or wearing long sleeved shirts even in the summer the way most Asians do
You are telling the 100% truth, OneIn AMillion!!
I was looking for this comment to see if anyone else said the same thing I was saying. She has indeed begun to tan super dark now that she's married to a Black man.
Adrianne acting like she don’t get it 🤦🏾♀️
Very Important topic
Adrienne on the second point is 100 💯 real
How are Adrienne and Jeanie missing the point entirely lmaoo
it's annoying when she keeps interrupting Tamera with she's talking because I want tot know what she's saying . Everybody has something to say it's good but let people talk !!!
I think that if she thinks she's prettier like that , it's ok. It's her body if she think black women are beautiful and all I don't see the wrong . She never said she was black to begin with, and people push like when they see something they like . She's pretty and doesn't bring shame to black people. And it's true that she's prettier on the picture on the right so...
Ok as far as that model chic. I'm with henie on that because she's not black facing she is letting everyone know she is black. White spanish and other races tan . It's not to look like a black person. We just like to look healthier with a tan. And make up does transform you when done right. It's a beauty thing not a race thing Loni!!!!! Also the guy in the last clip I agree with him. Men do protect and provide and it's nothing wrong with them. But yes we can and will do our own thing regardless but let a man be a man and protect and provide.
Same with Patrick…. HE DONT MAKE MONEY BEING WHO HE IS!!! People going to stay in the lane where they benefit the most
Why tanning has always been an issue for me for folks who aren’t very melanated… wanna take features from colored races yet still continue to oppress, etc… smh
It's so embarrassing to hear the non-Black WOC on the panel speak so ignorantly on this
Why does he kind of sound like the "I ain't ever seen two pretty best friends" guy from tiktok, he's in his car and everything 😂💀
Jeanie might as well kept quiet
That ending tho...preach Tamera🙌🏾😉❤️
Marcus may not have articulated his point in the most delicate manner but I agree with him 100%. A traditional man who has the means and will to provide for and protect his family is attracted to a woman who is going to support him in his mission by providing the space for him to do so. A woman who carries herself as the 'independent, I don't need a man for anything' kinda woman is going to attract a man who is going to support her in her mission as the provider aka, a feminine man.
The whole cheating conversation is disingenuous and has nothing to do with a man providing. Both provider and supporter men are capable of cheating. Choose your pick.
I think you make a good point. I don't think there's anything wrong with a woman being successful but if her energy comes off as masculine that can repel a man.
A lot of men feel loved by being respected and appreciated.
The fact that he cheats and is on Love & Hiphop says enough that he is not the kinda man to take advice from. It’s 2020. Women work. The provider role of a man is not needed anymore. Parents share Bills these days. Women work.
@@mikeskybrowser "masculine" and "feminine" aren't really relevant terms anymore...because every couple and relationship is different, and they alone decide on who is going to take care of what for their family. saying masculine and feminine is just confusing because these terms are too broad and have taken on different meaning over the years
In the winter time i look white...but im Italian and in the summertime i can get extremely tan. So what is the problem?!?
Loni was 100% right.
Love you Jeannie but, No. That’s blackfishing sweetie
Adrienne seriously .. Loni she isn’t taking anyone job! If you want a job GO GET IT! And if it’s for you it will be for you.
You're reaching Jeanie. Lonnie is right on point. They're lucky Amanda wasn't there on this panel.
Tamera 4:50 LMAO I love her
What’s up with women that date black men and never can speak up about black issues!?!?? Jeannie definitely didn’t pass the vibe check in this one. Actually made me mad. I wonder how her black husband felt after hearing her defend someone blackfishing!
I just wish they talked about Kim K's , Rita Ora, that Jenson girl that used to be in Little mix, and Bhad Babie blackfishing.
Let people tan in peace. It’s different if she’s saying she’s black and she’s not but if she just wants to tan and curl her hair leave her alone
I wish they talk about this topic when Amanda was around because I feel like it would’ve helped Lonnie be more Stern with the point she’s making
"Why aren't you happy with who you are?" Please do a transgender segment and ask this same question.
Because for transgender people, they have a "brain imprint" which strongly correlates with associating with the opposite gender. I've studied this issue. It can start as soon as you're a baby.
Damn I never tanned that dark before…
A real man is not going to be intimidated by not being needed, But he is not going to put work and effort into something he is not going to get any returns on.
a strong relationship requires both parties to put 100% into it and each other. If a woman has no use to put her share into the relationship, why would a man want to even continue BEING in that relationship.
Tamera is the epitome of naive. Goes to show how she ended up with a confused Trump supporter..
Adrienne is guilty of this now you see her instagram?
Yessssss Ade!! Speak!
I don't agree with this man this is bull crap. I had a man husband paid all the bills everything but when I step in to do my thing he went ham. And didn't want to be in the relationship anymore why, he was out there cheating on me doing his dirt. See when they want total control you can't say nothing his accuse is he paying and taking care of you all around. It's called control. And I said I was taking care of me wayyyy before you stepped in my life and I can do it again when you walk out. Well I walked out and I'm good for 3 years strong.
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I don’t feel like she’s wrong because she never said she wasn’t white so I can only see her as an talented artist!
When this came out it’s simple, she is using make up and changing her aesthetic to look “ethic” and profiting from it.