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dude who cares. I tracked and mixed one of my albums on broken polk speakers on a desk made out of an old door, and one of the most respected mastering engineers in experimental music said it was one of the best sounding releases to come in. then the CD sold out and I got years of gigs based on the cred. don’t ever let some BS music bro online stop you from making music or feeling productive.
Words of wisdom, friend. And...what's wrong with the following sentence: "I can tell from how your room looks that it doesn't sound very good."
@@gr500music6 because you can look at how dynamics and frequencies are going to hit and interfere negatively. You can see the prediction of physics before it happens - it’s called potential energy. Saying a room doesn’t sound good isn’t an insult - it’s a statement about how sound is going to interact within the space.
@@AAllinsonNN Respectfully disagree. Sound is sound and sight is sight. There are, of course, first principles, and it's good to know them so they can be applied when necessary. I was responding to Cory O,Brien's point that absence of ideal conditions should not be a barrier to working. I am fully aware of the physics. The genius of the John Storyks and Russ Bergers of this world is that they can make an empty room sound good, which is a challenge But quite often ordinary rooms have enough diffusion and absorption (from the stuff in them - table lamps, lamp shades, rugs, furniture) to sound good enough to use - if you don't excite them. The first principle of near field monitoring is 1) get them up close and 2) keep the volume at or below the low 80s (dB spl). The owners of some of the rooms shown seem at least to have followed near field principle number 1. Enjoying the discussion. Cheers.
billie eilish recorded her first and most popular album holding a mic sitting on her bed. xxxtentacion recorded his first songs on a blue snowball, and rubbin off the paint by ybn nahmir (which now has 200m views) was as well. youre totally right.
What’s your artist name?
I come from an engineer lineage - my dad as over 45 years of experience - and the very best tricks for cheap acoustic treatment is 100% curtains! Yes, curtains. Windows in the wrong place? Put a curtain on top. Can't afford bass traps/no space? Put a curtain in the corner, extended between both edges. That way, the sound waves will pass through it twice - once before, once after they hit the wall. I use cheap isolating curtains that double as isolation in the wintertime. Second tip : don't use the same microphones that they use in bigger studios. If you need to turn down a few fans you're never gonna get to it. I use a super-cardioid Beta 87 for all my vocals and, even tho it is a live mic, it makes a lot more sense than a large diaphragm in my space. Finally, locate the studio in a weird room, one where the walls aren't parallels (if you have one). Bonus point for attics with angled ceillings. Honestly that will get you 90% of a dedicated space. Serves nothing renting a fancy place downtown if you hear people walking in and out the industrial stairs all day!
Should be top comment
Everyone knows you need to have cool blue lighting to make great sounding music.
That's genius
90 percent of the pictures that 'viewers' has 'sent' to you is literally the first hits coming up on a google search when you type 'home studio setup'.
U sure?
What's your point?
Damn. That is unfortunate! But not surprised actually.
So fucking what ?
HES RIGHT
Seems to me that mixing in a properly-treated room requires great attention to detail and a serious commitment in time (if you’re going DIY), money (if you’re not), or likely both.
Or, you buy a pair of high-end headphones, the kinds used by professional mixing engineers. They might cost you a grand, but then all room issues are negated and you can travel and mix anywhere.
There are, of course, issues that can arise from mixing only on phones, but there are two possible solutions to this:
1) Use the Waves Nx plug-ins to play the signal into a fake virtual room. It won’t sound EXACTLY like CLA’s studio or Abbey Road, but it will reveal must problems your mix will have in the real world. It tends to reveal two things: the build-up of muddying low-mid frequencies, and the loss of stereo image when playing program material through stereo speakers in a real room.
2) Get your mix as solid as possible, then book time in a studio with a properly-treated room. The problems in your mix will be clearly evident, and for one afternoon’s booking fee for studio time you’ll have fixed any glaring problems.
With all of the virtual instruments and sims available now, it seems to me that one should either spend several thousands of dollars on room analysis and treatment, or a thousand or so on good phones. Spending the same money going halfway on room treatment and mixing on budget speakers seems to be an overall worse way to go as an option.
Of course, just mixing on phones also avoids the W.A.F. issue. You might love to have a living room, den, or spare bedroom that looks like a control room set from a science fiction movie, but your wife might balk at such decor, especially when it comes with a formidable price tag. The “Wife Acceptability Factor” struggle is real, my friends.
im also in a corner. i cant move my setup anywhere else the way the room is layed out. its really not that bad. i think that studio in the corner you showed was very cozy. kinda more about vibe than “proper” speaker placement.
Sorry but what a load of bollocks. Does that mean then that every home in which music is played has to have your idea of an ideal acoustic? Who cares? You can route recordings through earphones anyway. There is no such thing as an ideal studio sound. They change from decade to decade. What matters is the quality of music produced there, not the infinitely boring subject of whether the speakers are placed in the right location or how many sound absorbers there are. Just get a decent pair of speakers and a reasonably decent system that doesn't hum or buzz and work away. Concentrate on whether the music you produce is any good (it usually isn't). That's far more important than how optimum your monitors are.
Nice video streaky ..
The desk reflection is a thing ..
Remember all them consoles that some of these hits are mixed on, the speakers are on the desk ..for 22 years I have speakers on desk.
Two tier desk of course 😋
Imagine a line between the voicecoils of the drivers and you need to be 90 degrees to line at the mid point to be properly time aligned between bass and treble ( so the voicecoils are the same distance to your ears ) , then sit in your listening position and imagine the walls and ceiling are mirrored, anywhere where you could see a reflection of the speaker is where you put panels , then put the sub where you sit and wander around the room till the bass i sounds right and that’s where you put the sub 👍🏻
Streaky, what do you think about heavy moving blankets for budget studios, and foam risers for monitor speakers on the desk? Obviously a stand would be better for the monitors, but I don't currently have the money for stands.
The blankets seemed to have made a huge difference in sound when I'm recording vocals. The room sounds way less reflective, and tin can like.
Imagine sound in 2d like water. When the Harbor makes a break water they don't put up a sheer wall. It's made of chunks of rock and concrete that allows the water to partially get through and bounce back on itself in weakened waves. If you have thick curtains on rails, when you bunch them up they will act more like a bass trap and when stretched out they are more like diffusers. So I think you are on the right path. But remember that sound creates reflections on all axis' Ceiling is important but so are walls. Also, in small rooms, focus on creating a sweet spot, do Frequency response tests then a combination of Traps, diffusers and EQ can get your response as flat as possible.
Yes they work great. I have a nice square room with high angled ceiling that is lower where my desk is and gets higher behind me. My problem is behind me is the door on the way in left side corner and on the right side corner behind me is a window. What I did to fix this is bought 2 heavy moving blankets for each side and they are almost like bass traps when bunched together because my monitors point towards that direction. I also have heavy sound curtains in front of the window and the door is sealed and covered with foam panels and those moving blankets hang like curtains bunched together like traps. By doing this help correct my room and give me a super tight sound. I couldn't put traps there no room. The other option would be a Gobo but the room is a bit small and that would take up too much space.
I use isolated curtains and it makes a world of difference. Moving blankets are great but overkill and super-ugly IMHO. Also, stands aren't necessarily better for monitors! Smaller monitors made to be put on a desk should simply be angles and positioned as to have a proper stereo image.
My understanding was that you can’t have symmetry in your room shape for good acoustics. You need a reflection free zone and offsetting walls and following a golden ratio styled room design is key.
My home studio room is a joke, a phone box has more space, but I use Slate VFX for mixes and the most recent track which I took to Metropolis for mastering did not need any adjustment; had I used the room it would have been all over the place. Nice to see some other setups on here.
vSx
7:36. Funny. I know this photo. It's actually a stock image of a music studio from Shutterstock. Unless this is the real owner of the studio, I expect someone just purchased the photo to have a more impressive looking room. Great video mate! Love the room optimization tips.
The studio at 9:00 is of Jordan Critz I believe. Andrew Masters did a tour of this recently and it's ridiculous.
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The Lavery 122-96 + Quintessence gold behind you is a pure beauty !
second pic is the guy from "musician on a mission" isn't it?
Ooops
@@Streaky_com hehe..
@@eranddroory9987 Haha I thought so
Sooooo funny!
Foam doesnt decouple a speaker from a stand. It just cayses phase issues by the speaker moving tilting while the cone moves. Might as well use no foam or spikes
First he said that he'd like to see more solid stands in one video then he liked the Foam in another. I know that John Sayers who designs studios all round the world says that Concrete Blocks are best for speakers
Hi are still doing these types of videos? How do I submit a pic?
And here I am nodding in agreement but knowing full well my cheap little 2i2, MacBook, and headphone setup in the corner of a room is the complete opposite of his recommendations.
This should have been titled; "Streaky talks endlessly about monitors."
My speakers are the size of the large sound absorber pads and even on five percent volume the house shakes but it can she changed its a quad mounted speaker and sub combo set which works well and it's a 62 double band legaliser and so are most of all these speakers which half these at the least are built to not rumble the surface below
Streaky , on that first one that dog was absorbing some of the acoustics.
the wall behind my studio monitors has a window on the left and the studio monitor in front of the window is louder than the one in front of the wall
Nice video about acoustics, I was expecting a video about equipment hook ups and his opinion on some technical setups, not about room sound treatments. Nice video tho, learned some things.
some of the best music has been made in the worst conditions and some of the worst music has been made in the best conditions.
Great critique !
Yo bro do more videos like this, really helpful.
This myth about big speakers and panels all over the place ...I ruled it all out the moment I removed everything from my walls one day and tried to mix a real quick mix with nothing for room acoustics. The results were a way better , clear and well balanced eq wise mix. I went back to put some of them back just for the astetic of the room but no longer looking for that "perfect room" anymore. Thats all bs.
@streaky hey man, what’s the ideal filling for panels? You say foam is useless, so what would be inside panels? Something like rockwool?
Rockwool is a great budget filler - 4 inches thick and mount 4 inches away from the wall too
Why can't the speakers sit on the desk if they are at the right height?
Gentlemen, never trust an engineer who fancies the aestethics of an emergency room on LSD.
:p
😂😂
In the exampe @7-8min the speakers' level looks suspiciously close to being exactly halfway floor to ceiling... just my 1cent.
I would like to see an example studio set up to record live acoustics drums.
Nice video bro
HELP my mic keep making weird noise i dont think its feed back and every thing i try dont work. im going crazy plzzzzzzz HELP
This is only for non fully !music naturally skilled people as right musical men can record and sound great without half this equip!ent just got a electric guitar pick up over the sound hole where a neck and middle pickup would be aswell as the an internal bridge piece pickup and a few drum pad and that all you need without editing and am these proles setups work great he has the further away one for monitoring and the one closest to the screen is a background speaker
Is a bookshelf good for isolation?
Strange that there is no mention about all the resonant guitars in the rooms. Bass traps and panels aren't gonna help those guitars resonating with the music.
interesting, wouldnt want to hear what you say about mine!
the seocnd guy should get 2 speakers that are the same too
some of the cooleststuff ive heard is from crap setups. i have a crap room but i use alot of isolation so the room doesnt matter. and yes you can mix in headphones.
The number one important thing to mixing is developing your ear I know guys I went to school with that know their shit but can't get it to sound good because they don't have the ear your ear is the most important thing all this technical bs is bs get what you can afford and learn what sounds good make your mix sound as close to professional music as possible trust me u don't need $10k speakers to get a pro sound I've seen it done on 400 dollar speakers 300 dollar mic just keep working all the little shit in sound frequency just remember 90 percent of people can't hear the imperfections an audio engineer can hear don't beat your self
You need a de-esser on this video😅
...when you order Dunning-Kruger from Sweetwater...
I wish i submitted mine!!
forms fine for treating mid to high freq your talking bs
i have had it on the ceiling befor now it works well
Todays video?? As opposed to tomorrows or yesterdays viddeo? LEt me guess, I've got ot comment down below, at the end of the day and comment, like, subscribe and click a bell? Sounds like a chore.
I have built my own speakers with Scan Speak and Seas drivers. I measured them at the seating position and they are flat within 2 dB from 30 hz to 20,000 hz. Best setup I have ever had. At 95 dB , distortion is below 1% from 50 hz on up. Below it rises to just under 3% at 30 hz. Super clean drivers.
Nice work 👍
@@Streaky_com Thank you!
I wish I could do this but I wouldn't know where to start with building speakers and knowing they actually sound good
@@joshsmith7812 I have been building and designing speakers for 35 years. I am still learning.
@@joshsmith7812 heres a place to get you started www.diyaudioandvideo.com/Guide/BuildSpeaker/
We all started somewhere knowing nothing, experiment and have fun ;0)
What you think of sound baffles?? Are they effective for bedrooms?
If it stops the sound waves bouncing around then winner 👍
Some people have not much money
Mate I put the video on first thing in the morning and i'm getting yelled at all of a sudden.
My studio is visually a mess but very tidy sonically. My ears don't see too good so I'm happy. 😀
My setup is in a little RV and I feel like I can hear but I dont know if I would know because I've never tried anywhere else
At the end of the day streaky knows his stuff. Iv learnt alot from this guy so there must be some truth init for him to post it up. Especially when his bin doing it for 25 years. (Think im right) iv followed his addvice and made adjustments in my studio. (Not a big studio) im noone big at all but following his steps have defenatly made a impact in my production. It all comes down to understanding how a track sounds in your enviroment. If it sounds right, it useraly is. (Words from the man himself) 😁
The Yamaha Hs80’s aren’t meant to be sideways 😡😡😡😡
BuT It loOks liKe NS10‘s 😂
@@Ramoniix lmao
Caution! The studio that is shown at 7:25 has one major flaw with the outer monitor speaker pair: They are Adam A7X model, and those monitors are ONLY intended to be used in the UPRIGHT position. The way that tjey are positioned now, will not produce a proper sweetspot.
I use headphones....so I don't need a room....
I've learned so much from this channel, I love it
Hi.
Great video!
I'm so glad I have headphones that are alright because everything that could be wrong with a room is wrong with mine.
I don't even have monitors, just $100 headphones which is way above my pay grade being 0 per month 😂 this is not a video for me I guess
How can I send my picture? I'd love to hear your thoughts
Audio anoraks
Recording in a cube will always sound like a room. My little apartment has bookcases from floor to ceiling on the back walls, and floor to celling shelving for music gear on the remaining walls. Recording in here does not sound like a cube, but most importantly, I avoid microphones like the plague using direct inputting of guitars and keyboards, and use of electronic drums. my music is instrumental except for background choir or small vocal ensembles, these I sample in the few quiet hours I have before all the noise of apartment living wake up. This is the true problems of home recording for musicians, we don't have the money for a home (true starving artist) making noise or having others noise makes microphone recording almost impossible. As a listening environment, near fields solve most problems and the bookcases and shelving covering all walls solve the other. There are no flat exposed surfaces except the 8 foot high ceiling.
lol
Erm... a video from a "pro" on sound, whose video sound sounds tinny w/ too much reverb.
Make your music sound great on every system, from $5 ear buds up to his ridiculous "hundred thousand dollah" gear, and you'll win hearts.
Last room had a mellotron dope
can you still submit?
A familiar setup beats a good setup you don't know how to work with.
would love to see a video about speaker placement if you haven't already got one!
There is one on my channel
2nd comment.. love doing mastering.. your help is like magical elixir for my mastering process.. thank you sir..
Man i gained too much useless knowledge
Who is he. Nobody know him. So, in fact.. He is a nobody who try to tell the producers, how to build their studio 🤡
Take a look to his studio, there is everything wrong, you can do wrong. 🤣
I would love to send you pics just to hear you say "get headphones" lol (it's a mess, so are my speakers, but in that mess I can't even justify getting good monitor speakers) really, it's THAT bad ^^
Some of those aren't "home-studios". They're just "studios" and they happen to be in someones home.
Isn’t that the same? They aren’t commercial studio???
this comment is the bane of my existence
This guy is kinda whack fr. Has something to say about everyone and everything people have worked hard asf to set up
I’ve mixed songs with over 2.3 million views meaning the artist has a serious fan base. Only way to do that is with good quality.
I just use Slate VSX... problem solved
foam is cheap and some like the way it looks
Christ knows why...modern day egg cartons
Obviously the card table in the shed is a laugh.
6:51 Illuminati confirmed.
Funny , nobody ever plays the music they produce in their facilities ... chances are they guy with less panels and a small room might sound much better than the rest of them
All this advice is pointless when you look at yesteryear studios. The best songs ever made by the Beatles, Zeppelin, Stones were in big open space studios with floating partitions and absolutely zero symmetry whatsoever. Boston's More than a Feeling was produced in a closet. The environment don't make the music, only the artists do !
Familiar good advice, but room acoustics often take a back seat to buying the most basic gear, like a good mic. Even though room acoustics can be easily fixed with a limited budget. I sympathize with a lot of home studio owners that are just stuck with a less than ideal room - a window in the wrong place - not enough space in a cramped bedroom - insufficient speaker suspension - these are the realities for most of us.
Actually it's the opposite. You can have a Neumann U87 but if you have bad acoustics you'll have crap audio. Room treatment should be top priority and it's the reason great audio is the white whale of home studios. Ppl spend thousands on equipment and wonder why their recordings still sounds like it was made in an echo chamber - that's from improper room treatment.
@@jackedkerouac4414 100% .
When I upgraded from a 58 to a Blue, my recordings got 10% better.
When I upgraded from no treatment to some treatment, my recordings got 100% better.
The return on investment isn't even debatable, imo. The expensive microphones don't even make sense until the source (i.e. the room) sounds somewhat good. Kind of like how it's pointless to put a 103 on a really bad singer. The mic can't do it's magic if you're giving it garbage to start. It doesn't matter how good the equipment is, garbage in/garbage out.
A lot of guys always say bad things about foam and its not all true. Yes thinner foam can only absorb so much and the same for insulation. Sound panels can be 4, 6, 8 or even more inches thick and so can foam. What is a anechoic chamber made from. Foam? Wow how about that. Trust me I don't care what anyone says about foam. Just like insulation if you have the right foam it will do the Job. Aurelex makes 6 inch wall panels and they work just as good as insulation panels. I have tested both. I prefer the aurlex. Maybe there is some technology in their product but they are really good. I have tested them and the do the same exact thing as insulation. I have been countless recording pro studios since the 80's and recording booths that had thick foam in there and it was super quiet you have hear your heart beating. So understand if you have the right foam or even the right insulation panel they will do the same exact thing. In my studio I have the bigger insulation panels and for my corner traps I have super 12 inch thick foam traps that work great. In combination my room sounds really good. I just have to get a cloud above me at some point.
Your backlit room don't look professional.kind of like club
Kinda gay if you ask me.
Gotta admit for a pro engineer you failed to mention on various studio setups people had acoustic instruments such as ukulele and guitars which can produce unwanted resonances and noise.
I'm forced to use the same space for recording & teaching. I have various string instruments hanging on the walls of the studio. I weave rawhide shoelaces in the strings of solid body guitars & basses & take the acoustic instruments out of the room when recording. It seems to work well. I also check mixes with both monitors & headphones. Then last step I send mix through stereo I use for teaching. (Old 1978 Yamaha receiver with Polk Audio speakers)
@@billfox4678 I do this as well I keep my electric guitars in my studio and acoustic instruments in another room I’m just surprised he didn’t mention this in the video as I worked the problem out myself would be great to inform others save the hassle
Honestly, in the end nobody cares about the room a song was mixed in. Music is about creativity and passion, not about gear or perfect room treatment. If a song is good, its a good song. If you know how to mix you can get decent mixes even with cheap headphones. And if not learn how to mix or let someone else mix your music. But most importantly, dont let the lack of 'professional gear' stop you from making music. You have everything you need to let the music in your head become real so everyone can hear it ❤️
No matter how nice a studio with decent speaker set up is, producers and musicians should still have a decent pear of headphones to use as a reference and dubble check. I can just plug a Jack into My home stereo which sound good, and start projects but mastering and mixing would be done in headphones then tested on multiple in ear, over ear, headphones, big stage speakers to phone speakers to make sure it sounds decent all all. Finally a second opinion is necessary from a reliable source.
Love your videos on mastering & mixing. Always cool infos and neat tricks from Streaky. But really comparing pears to apples here! It always depends what the aim is. But I can not see anyone composing, songwriting or writing lyrics etc. on a small desk like yours. Spaces are often limited in Home Studio situations and budget often goes into having good sounding instruments and/or mics. And when I hear mixes by Tchad Blake and see him sitting in a room with brickwalls!? Just asking myself, If knowing your gear and room is much more the key? Although I have myself build 160 mm porous absorbers and a cloud.
Dude that's what I'm missing, acoustically appropriate sand for my room
This is hilarious-maybe the most hateful RUclips channel about audio-evuh? What-couldn't get Gordon Ramsey to make Hell Mix? LOL
I understand your visual judgment, but, nothing is gained without a TEF analyzer.
Meanwhile madlibs using an iPad to make everything
The Beatles and a 4 track ... MIC DROP!
but the beatles and the four track were in a professional studio with treated soundproof rooms and stellar engineers, that said, whatever works, works! it can be argued that when using small nearfield monitors the room doesnt make a difference. cheers from usa
It's so refreshing to hear someone call that Auralex pyramid foam nonsense and cheap. Auralex as seriously created massive wealth from selling crap snake oil at Guitar Center stores everywhere.
hey streaky i'd recommend not starting the video with "IN TODAY'S VIDEO!"
Boomy cheapass speakers pointing completely in the wrong direction and lots of 'wrong' reflections sound way cooler
alot of pro dont care about room treatment just look
at those who make hiphop music most of them dont have no treatment
they just have shelfing filled with records
Without asking for it, meaning my room is cold and hot during the year. I have blankets on them. This helps greatly by nature astorb audio, along with stuff on the walls. I remember before these blankets were on the windows, things sounded like echo in here. It works, a poor mans studio
You didn't tell us anything we don't already know. Listen, those who can afford the perfect setup don't need your help since they can obviously afford a professional acoustic design company to handle everything. Those who need your tips are budget studios who need cheap solutions.
You guys are getting ahead of ur selves. Recording and Mixing/Mastering are two severely diff things. Any room slightly treated or dare I say looks right can be recorded in because your DAWs settings are the control. Streaky is speaking from a MIX AND MASTER stand point. To hear the proper signals you NEED these treatments.
All you guys talking bout someone recorded this here and someone made that there, have no idea who did the work after!
Did they sent it out for mix and master? Was their technician trained? What equipment was where? What settings was used? Effects? Processing?
Yall shouldn't be so quicc to discount advice. What you SHOULD DO is evaluate what your trynna achieve and build that way.
You claim be a Pro engineer, then admit you have limited knowledge of studios. Come on!