Retro Review: Metal Gear (MSX)
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
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"You're a wild card, Snake! You're a loose cannon! You ride the line!"
Tackling the first game again was an efficient (albeit lengthy) endeavour. How long do you think we can keep this up?
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A couple days ago Nathan played the Metal Gear Rising demo. He thought some thoughts about it here:
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RIP Punished "Venom" Snake
therush420 his only crime...being the truest actulalizor of the bosses vision
I never understood why they gave him 2 names in one title.
Other snakes or characters have double names. Like Saladin. Or even their real names.
But never see Big Boss Naked Snake
Or Raiden Ripper
Or Grey “Ninja” Fox
I just wish though separated the names.
The best part of Metal Gear 1 is during the escape/self-destruct sequence if you smoke cigarettes you get more time to escape.
That has to be the most illogical thing in the whole series.
T T Sorry, but I have to thank you then for just blowing my mind. It actually makes sense now.
2 much weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
PotbellyPunch More illogical than eating mushrooms to charge your batteries? ee'
@@four-en-tee but they glow, so they gotta recharge batteries.
If you think about it, smoking can calm your nerves and relax you. It could, in a way, relax Snake to keep him from panicking and time seeming to slow down from his perspective.
despite metal gear for MSX coming out decades ago, kojima decided to write a reason for the weirdness in it and metal gear 2 into metal gear solid 5, thats dedication
It's weird how much his way of speaking has changed over the years. He's way deeper and slower now. This review is done like he's got somewhere to be in 20 minutes. The way he talks is also different. It's hard to explain but he just talks differently now, at least on camera.
You could say that he's talking like a character from Metal Gear 1
13:19, so that's where super bunnyhop found his logo, no wonder I thought it looked more like a rat than a bunny.
Elliott Mckenzie Hey, good catch!
Isn't it a fox?
It's a fox
Custom Roadhouse I always thought it looked more like a rat than a bunny too! Haha it’s actually a Fox?! George pulled a hideo kojima with that subversive twist
They're all mammals.
I laughed way more than I should have at that European translation, "Penetrate the enemy's Outer Heaven" just got me for some reason.
That can become the new "pierce the heavens"
+Redgrave192 And that it's being told to Solid Snake, just seals the deal.
Solid Snake penetrating people's Outer Haven. I think Kojima does this on purpose.
+KamektheMagikoopa1 in the next level in the EU version he goes to Amsterdam to experience the Inner Heaven
NOT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO USE THE WORD PENETRATE!
I found a way to beat Metal Gear if you lose a star in the Dirty Duck boss. If you have maximum ammo for C4 and don't die or pick up any more C4, you will keep all 16 of your bombs. It's a sort of glitch, if you lose a star, it won't automatically cause you to lose health/ammo, unless you pick up more or you die and your ammo resets.
The first time I played MG1 I ended up beating it with 2 stars. But I recommend playing it safe and saving before the fight.
The most interesting thing about Metal Gear's stealth gameplay, in my opinion, is that the main reason for it was because the MSX computer couldn't handle fast paced Contra-esque gameplay without it being incredibly choppy, so they used stealth as a work-around. Very ingenious!
That's a point of trivia but it's not interesting or the most interesting.
"Snake, watch out for the cameras!"
Leaves room, comes back
"Snake, watch out or the cameras!"
The greatest intro to a series I've ever heard. "This series is a clusterfuck."
I was playing Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines the other day, went to the blood bank and had to use dominate as a dialogue choice to get out of trouble. The doctor I was talking to then said "I feel.. Asleep!".
imagine how much better assassin's creed would be if it embraced it's camp. well, it'd still be shit, but it would at least be less boring shit.
The Ezio trilogy was close to embracing the camp but stood very shy of doing so.
Nah, It's actually amazing when it actually tells a serious and grey story
You make no sense
"Chances are that everyone who plays games has access to one of these things"
How the times have changed, now the only easily accessible MG game is V
13:19 You just turned that fox logo into a rabbit and made it your logo.
Ian Yrisarri woah, that was a good idea
I think the first 2 MG games should be remastered
Just as the video said the first two games don't have a huge amount of plot to them. most important things are referenced in MGS1 anyway.
hold it! by 3/4 do you mean metal gear solid 3/4?
I meant that MG1/2 (not MGS1/2) are skip able.
Without MGS 1 and 2 you wont understand 4. But you can start with 3 if you wish as this is the earliest point in the story.
not that I know one but I'm sure you can find one using google.
Johnny G you ask such a question on youtube.. you can find a video and watch it while reading about it.
Johnny G Why would you want to skip MGS1 and 2?
Metal Gear Solid is a reboot to the series. It combined story, items and concepts from Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 to receeate the franchise. Kojima stated this in an interview. I think they should definitely get played by fans of the series, but they will have many elements people who played Metal Gear Solid will have deja vu about.
I didn't know you could repeatedly be too late to one event. But Big Boss is too late to warn you about the same cameras about 30 times in this game.
Time again for me to embark on this pilgrimage
Only real difference I could note is the lack of Psycho Mantis interactivity. Controls about the same to me, assuming that you're using a gamepad. Still works OK on keyboard, but not ideal.
oh, now you have to finish The Phantom Pain and see how they dealed with this game in the story A_A
Early Bunnyhop is so different, he's talking so fast and loud! He sounds much more confident now.
HUGE SPOILER ALERT
the "Big Boss" that you encounter as the final boss fight before the explosion at the end of this game is in fact not Big Boss, rather Venom Snake. We can confirm this from seeing Big Boss get sent off over a decade (two decades maybe ?) later in MGS 4
No it's not that was a retcon. In the actual game there is no evidence of it not being big boss as that plot point was not made up at that point.
@@ericrhodes5174 no it's venom
@@TheSoulHarvester No it's Big Boss. In Metal Gear 2 it's revealed that Big Boss's body was rebuilt by cybernetics. This served as an explanation for how he survived his battle with Snake. The "Venom" thing is a retcon just like Big Boss being Snake's father. This series is full of retcons.
@@ericrhodes5174 no it's venom
@@ericrhodes5174 are you sure it's Big Boss? Instead of Big Boss, I actually think it's Big Boss.
That makes two of us! Here's to hoping that it will be, I'm looking forward to going through these games again! -G
The graphics is nice for the technology in the 80's. The game is almost like the NES version. I just wished the game maker would squeeze in everything for the NES like they did for MSX. Do you think the MSX is worth collecting or is it just a nice memory notch in history. Do you have any more MSX game reviews?
Thanks for your story. My first family computer was the Tandy 1000 SX then latter the bit beefier TX loaded with VGA graphics and Adlib sound. I remember my dad was looking at Apple and PC Jr. and thought a nice Tandy will give you the most bang for the buck along with great software support.
The irony is me and my parents have iMacs after years of being Windows PC users.
Yes, I would like a list of top MSX games.
Thanks
Over a decade and many good memories. Love you George
MG1 didn't have overdrawn drama because... storage space was limited. Text took space.
Oh god yes, it's been years though. It doesn't surprise me in the least that people have found so much to write about from that game. It was pretty much Spec Ops before Spec Ops.
- G
True story, in 9th grade history I was anwsering every question about the Cold War and Desert Storm. My teacher asked "how do you know all this stuff?" I answered "from Metal Gear Solid." He then said "I love that game."
This video caused me to be utterly humiliated at a bar last weekend because I was CERTAIN that Jennifer was Naomi Hunter and her brother was Gray Fox who was injured during the Dirty Duck fight and that's what caused his betrayal in Metal Gear 2.
All because I remembered one line from a video I watched 9 years ago.
I'm enjoying going back and watching these older videos! You've been great since the beginning, but you are clearly more confident now and don't rush like you used to :P
ps. I love you
Can't believe this vid is 10 years old now
"Quieter, more introverted Rambo".... Did you even see the first movie? Let alone read the book?
WECOULDAWONDATWAAARARRRR! IUSETARIDEINATAANKK!
5:40 is one of my favorite youtube sound bites of ALL time. Thanks George.
I saw a playthrough of this game and fell in love with music. My favorite is the boss theme.
SPOILERS
After 20 plus years, we finally learn that the "Big Boss" Solid Snake fought in outer heaven is a doppelgänger.
MGS4 iirc
+Joe Sedgh I don't want to make you sad...
But he learned that from MGSV
Joe Sedgh Ahhh, K.
I just beat chapter 1.
Is the second any good?
+NikodemVanKenobi No. It's garbage. Then you do it again a couple times to make 100 hours and that apparently triggers the real ending. It sucks.
John Peterson I already beat the game...
I got the real ending after 60 hrs of gameplay, right after 43.
Right now i'm going for the disarnament
Been a Metal Gear fan since 1987 and I absolutely loved this review. Just one note - back in 1987, the MSX2 wasn't particularly "outdated"; it's just that, being a 'home computer', gaming wasn't its primary focus. For the time, the graphical capacities were quite dandy, if we'd excuse the lack of hardware supported vertical scrolling (which is something you would want in a computer that's dedicated to gaming).
15:21 ah, remember when text could actually take up a sizable chunk of space?
Gordon is lame compared to you
Your writing and delivery parallels the brevity of the game. Pretty good shit George.
Press the Select Button
The MSX version is the first.Read Hideo Kojima interview in the 25th Metal Gear anniversary.
I never understood why that shitty NES version gets so much love online. It's bloody horrible!
Is it just because it's the version Americans got to play?
Btw, how in fuck do you figure The Great Escape is "cheesy"...!?
How does he figure Escape From New York is a cheesy war movie too...
booyahboyuk Cheesy, maybe (not the word I'd use, but whatever it is, it is intentionally so). War movie, not so much.
The title clearly says "MSX" not "NES". Also - @7:10 - he makes it clear what he is playing and it's not the NES version. of course, I am making an assumption here - ass u me, and all that.
Weird watching this review after finishing MGS 5 because it clears up Big Boss.
3:43 pretty much the opposite play style of 5
Definitely some Plinkett influence around 10:35
Sean Kelley OH MY GOD!
WHAT"S WRONG WITH YOUR FACE!!!!
I came to the comments to say the same thing. Plinkett influence all over this video! Not complaining, all of his content is pretty entertaining. You definitely see less RLM influence in his later stuff though.
I can’t believe it has been 9 years
IDK if Metal Gear progenated all this stealth stuff. Definitely was one of the first but I'm not sure it's THE first. There's Sega's 005 stealth arcade game and The Great Escape for the ZX Spectrum (and later for other platforms). I could also mention the top-down sneak game Castle Wolfenstein but technically it's possible to just shoot your way through it.
I hate when people talk about Metal Gear series, they seem to forget this and MG2: Solid Snake, and it is really fucking sad and stupid. MG2: Solid Snake could almost be as good, maybe even better than MGS1, yet ignorant fans say it is the best game of the series and original (even though it copied MG2). This and MG2 are probably my favorite 8bit games.
Gameplay wise they suck
Fans usually say MGS4 is the best game ever as far as I've seen.. Their least favourite is usually MGS2.. I do like Metal Gear 1 and 2, though. I never played through them, but I love watching my friend play through them. I played through the MGS series, but I don't hate or exclude Metal Gear. That's why I always refer to the franchise itself as Metal Gear, unless I'm specifically talking about MGS.
In terms of gameplay MG1 is probably the most purely entertaining in the series. Sure, there is no story. THE GAME WAS MADE IN 1987! WTF do you expect?! Back in those days it was more about PLAYING the games instead of watching them (MGS4). All the story you needed was in the manual. It seems like Kojima is ashamed of the first two games and keeps making retcons to cover up his perceived mistakes. Notice after MGS1 the events of MG1 and 2 are never mentioned, despite them being defining moments in Snake's character arc. He even retconned the event of Big Boss' death. In MGS1 Snake said Big Boss revealed to him that he was his father in his dying moments in MG2 but in the actual game, Big Boss simply swore revenge before dying. There was no "I am your father" moment. These days, Kojima seems obsessed with fleshing out Big Boss' past instead of giving fans what they really wanted, more adventures with Solid Snake! From the very beginning, Big Boss was hailed as a legendary war hero but the circumstances about how he established this reputation was unclear. This actually was for the best as it made Big Boss seem like a larger than life figure and a perfect adversary for the young Solid Snake. But in Snake Eater they fubbed it. They portrayed Big Boss as vulnerable and at the end he even sheds tears. This weakened his character. I wish Kojima would stop all this Big Boss shit. If it continues, the first two games will be retconned out of existence.
im talking about now, people who didnt grow up with them will generally find them boring compared to the games of today, i mean they lack immersive graphics, music, proper faces, there's only so much emotion you can convey through 8 bit games
and also 'Back in those days it was more about PLAYING the games instead of watching them'
wtf dude you're turning into one of those old people that go on about how their generation is better than the one after, do you want to become that?
"Take that, Scientologists!" "Snack Idea: Flan Trousers" I thought it looked prettier on the wall rather than the fridge. -G
this is old but GOLD
BREVITY!
I love your comparison to Star Wars. For YEARS I have been saying that Kojima is the George Lucas of gaming.
I like how several times big boss calls to say "I forgot to tell you"
i bought the legacy collection for metal gear, just played through mgs 3 and peace walker to complete big boss's storyline, and i thought i could see metal gear gameplay on youtube without playing it, but then i gave it a try, and it hooked me right way! its just a really fun game.
this video was just great. what an enjoyable 16 minutes. thank you!
+F Shah your frustration and commentary are funny.
+F Shah fuuuuuuuuck lol
"Then something like this will happen..." I get an ad
I looked forever for the Substinence version until the HD Collection came out just to play the first two games
The auto closed captioning for this is surprisingly good.
0:16 We had that Metal Gear Scholastic novel! We also had the novels for Blaster Master; Castlevania II; and Ninja Gaiden
An aspect I wish you highlighted about the twist is how it contextualize everything he's said to Snake up to that point. Deliberately delaying advice or directly sending Snake in to traps. When you first enter the last set of rooms he tells you to go left where it's a room with nothing but a pit trap. How if you went to the gas room he only calls you and warns you when you're most likely already taking damage. It's a game actively trying to sabotage you with faux advice. Making your only reliable source of information the hostages you save along the way.
I bought this game from my first paper route money. In fact, the paper route was a means to acquire this very cartridge.
For the record, in my memory this was the most awesome game of the 80s in the history of all time. That's how good it was..
Finding goggles to see IR lasers? Hell Yeah!
I just realised I've only commented bitchy things in the last 3 videos of yours I've watched, sooo I should also mention that they're very entertaining, informative and I appreciate the work you must be putting in.
were you inspired by RLM? great videos btw...
Snake's revenge was actually the first metal gear I played. I recognize that it's not considered a true metal gear and I get it. I mean I was like 10 when I played it so despite not having played it in a long time I feel certain that stealth was not the biggest concern in Snake's Revenge.
But on the same coin I was 10 and actually had the patience (and game genie codes) to get all the way to the final boss. 10 year old kids aren't typically known for their patience and if the game was "no good" I doubt I'd have made it half way through.
I've heard that even Kojima said something like "It's not a bad game, it's just not really a metal gear game"
And that's how I feel about it. It was just more action and way less stealth. But that doesn't make it crap. I remember having loads of fun.
...
Until the end where you travel through a grid maze, c4ing walls till you get to METAL GEAR, blow that up and trigger a self destruct sequence and have to remember your way out.... f*** that game.
None of the stuff in the US manual is in game. It's still Big Boss and such. Except that Shotmaker is Shootgunner, the improvement that makes it all worth it.
Your first run is the exact same as mine, accidentally killed a hostage and thus didn't have the ammo to killed Metal Gear.
Me too, I wrote it off as 'played' and moved on to MG2
Wait, did you just call "The Great Escape" cheesy?
The Metal Gear series is one of my favorite, and this is looking like it's going to be a fun and interesting series. :)
I need to know where that clip of "where do I go, where do I do?" Came from, I just need to watch the original
The wasteland video.
I do believe the difficulty getting easier as the game goes along gets immediately addressed by difficulty settings such as "HARD". IN this case u have 2/2 Rations Max capacity and also "EXTREME" where in spite of ur health BAR increasing, the damage you took during any boss fight is not restored to you. Also, you only have 1/1 Ration throughout the entire experience of the game.
Secondly, I've tried the cardboard box trick and it doesn't work all the time especially on the higher difficulties. Not to mention the LACK of RADAR on both HARD and EXTREME difficulties.
METARU GIA SORIDDO! This gave me a chuckle.
Castle Wolfestien gave you the option to either use stealth or shoot down your enemies. Metal Gear was the 1st game where stealth was mandatory.
ProTip NO SPOILERS
after the final boss, clear the 6 secret main ops missions that will instantly appear some time after beating the game(dont worry about trying to unlock them) , then go to extra ops 01 and look around, trust me
For people getting into the series, play them in order of release, NOT CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER! If you can deal with aged gameplay, trying playing Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 first. If you don't want to play them, watch a playthrough online, the games are only 2 hours long each. And worth it for understanding the story.
Then play MGS1 if you can deal with aged gameplay. If you don't play it, you MUST watch a playthrough, everything else in the series builds off from here. You miss MGS1, you will have a hard time seeing references and what's going on.
Then MGS2, hardest story to understand, but also very important. There are Wiki's out there and forums (Reddit has a great subreddit and community) that will answer any questions you have.
Then MGS3. Many people's favorite in the franchise. Aged pretty well if you play the Subsistence version, which is the version included in the HD Collection.
Then MGS4. I loved the game. Have very very long cutscenes, but they are very well done. Just get the popcorn ready.
Then MGS Peace Walker. If you plan on playing MGS 5, this is a very important game as it takes place just before MGS5. It's quite different than the rest of the series as you build Mother Base and recruit soilders.
Then Metal Gear Rising: Revengence. The most different in the franchise, not a stealth game but a very good action game.
And if all those games are not enough for you. Metal Gear Portable Ops is canon. It is the weakest in the series of games that are canon. But MG fans should at least try and play or watch it. The controls aren't the best, but it's not a terrible game, just not great. It takes place in between MGS3 and Peace Walker. If you do play it, I recommend anytime after MGS3, preferably just before Peace Walker as it does have a couple minor references. You don't have to play it, but at a least read a Wiki that describes the story of the game before MGS5.
Gotta love the intro
stingers in sting position 10:35
in Metal Gear you find out that Big Boss was the bad guy all along, and 20 years later you find out that he was the hero all along! XD
Konami needs to remake MG and MG2 into one whole game. Bring the series full circle!
Glad I played the game on the MSX when I was young (I had the cart).... much later I played MG2 (on the PC with one of the first MSX emulators)
and are yoy ready to play the remake?
what remake?
The remake, that i'm making, "Outer Heaven".
+CynicalReviews Of course :)
@@Bokerjkm are you still making it
7:56 Vermon Kinda sounds like *venom*
12:08 They really didn't know any better at the time. Not that it couldn't be forseen, but the decision tree checking for unwinnable states was just not...a primary priority I guess you could say. There were lots of games around that era that were like that...ask any kid from that time about playing point and click adventure games (ESPECIALLY SIERRA GAMES) about missing some knicknack from a table somewhere in the first five minutes in and then it becoming important a number of hours later towards the end game.
Yes, I'm still bitter about my childhood playing sierra games on my first computer...
If they ever remake MG or MG2 I hope Snake is so green and pulling off cqc or other techniques allows you to fail or have them turn it around on you like The Boss can.
the enemies have different colors in the msx version ?? after all this time I am still getting surprised by IT !!
Just a Reminder that Shotmaker was once Shoot Gunner
*/before i fully see the video/*
Wait, i thought that the first Stealth Game ever was made in 1981 with Castle Wolfestein (not Wolfestein 3D, the FPS) Wasnt there some of the tropes that made Stealth Game Genre posible?
they started naming them "solid" when they went 3d my friend
Keep those solid puns going...;)
true but I beat MGS2 on PC and it took me twice as long as beating it on xbox 360. I am also wondering if you can tell me if the legacy collection has the same features as the twin snakes such as: aiming in FPV and hanging mode?
I totally think that the Blast Suit is the Battle Dress from MGS Peace Walker and MGSV The Phantom Pain.
IMHO, if the original Metal Gear was left untouched by ULTRA other than a good English translation for the NES, this game might have been one of the best and memorable NES game for its stealth gameplay mechanics.
So… story clogged up the discs, eh?
I have nothing against massive stories, but i wonder, if we returned to the brevity of games like this, what could we do with gameplay?
What if the means were the motive? The set up, and tools presented were the vehicle for a player to fill in his or her own narrative. I'm not necessarily saying 'no' to stories or objectives, but what if they were trimmed to the leanest possible schematic.
Let it be a character driven experience. The player creates an avatar and dives in to a world that enables them to act out the fantasy of the game.
Destiny is a good example of what i'm talking about.Now i think about it. Games like Destiny and Borderlands that find that golden balance between narrative and gameplay, where gameplay
I really like your guy's videos. Really entertaining stuff. You should really review Syphon Filter, that would be interesting =)
I love George's pronounciashuns
Still true.
Always.
@@elenaphisher244 RAYtions
Lol I have the NES version in my house in a shelf next to the NES version of metal gear 2
This game is easily my least favorite in the series. It's honestly rather dull and quite repetitive (especially when compared to its sequel). That being said, it's not a bad game, just the weakest in the series.
Well what did you expect, it's literally the first one in the series lol.
do you plan on doing a critical close-up of metal gear solid 4 and peace walker
12:42 Who are those people? I know I've seen the last one somewhere else.
Outdated hardware?
It came out more than 3 years before the Super Famicom (SNES), 15 months prior to the Mega Drive (Genesis), 3 months before the PC Engine (TurboGrafx-16).
The hardware was not outdated.
MSX was no Japanese gameconsole like the Xbox, it was a Japanese Home Computer, like the C64 and later the Atari ST and Amiga. A MSX2 was by far superior to a C64, but at the same time also by far inferior to an Amiga 500. The cool thing was it wasn't a specific brand, but a standard, with machines and accessories from Sony, Philips, Panasonic, SpectraVideo and Toshiba, kinda like PCs nowadays.
also I like the gameplay mechanics that MGS2 implemented and were ported over to the twin snakes edition of the game.
14: 38 PHANTOM PAINLESSLY there I'm good.
The main ones are the only ones that should be played, Metal Gear 1-2 ,and Peace Walker. Those cell games and pretty much anything that Hideo didn't help make isn't worth it.
***** I heard, and sadly never played them.