Why the IRSV have wings plus a surprise
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- The world famous IRSV of PS Audio is finally for sale. If you're interested, reach out to Paul and let him know you're a serious buyer. Update: that didn't last long! They are sold. Buyer picks them up next Friday the 30th. Thanks for watching.
The Aspens are just loudspeakers,
THESE are Legends💫
@@nirodha35 truer words were never spoken.🌹
I am stunned. Shocked. Speechless... that Paul would EVERY consider selling these. Wow. Blown away.
I would personally never part with the engineering genius of Arnie Nudell. IRSs remain so visually arresting and fascinating, they have retained their intoxicating prowess which, in the correct rooms, they would never lose….. thank you Paul, and God Bless you, ARNIE you’re amazing!🌹
Good, the speakers deserve a proper home to be played and enjoyed, like classic cars they should be used not just looked at.
I think they are such a historic piece that PS / Paul should keep them.
I envy the person who is fortunate enough to know what these speakers are and who has the funds to buy and house them properly. Nothing else will ever be the same.
I had the chance to listen to the IRS in the late 80s early 90s at the High End in Germany. It is one of the best sounding speakers ever build.
Dear Santa, I've been a very good boy this year.....................
They should go into some sort of museum. Maybe the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
Museum of modern art
Can't believe these would get sold , given the story and significance of them to Paul and the company - but as he said, things gotta change, or gotta go, nothing is forever. But all I could think about is that maybe within his family there just isnt the love/desire to baby these for decades to come.
I know a deserving buyer will be a new owner but I also would hope that first dibs goes to anyone within his company and inner circles.
PS. Would love for it to result in a chance for Gene from Audioholics to put these through his battery of robust testing equipment
They will
Thanks for the great explanation, Paul. Those have always been my dream speakers, but since we live in an apartment now, and I'm approaching 72, they'll just have to remain a dream. Sigh...
Dreams are good to have 😂 Much better than disappointments
I know exactly how you feel. I have to design and build my own speakers as I cannot afford the ones I truly love. At least I have some JVC supervinyl records I can listen to, favorite is Neil Diamonds Johnathon Livingston Seagul played on a Yamaha linear tracking turntable with a Stanton cartridge with a hypereliptical needle installed. The sound at least is as close to heaven on Earth as I will get to hear.
70 or 80 grand will put you on another level in this audio world but I think I will keep my feet on the ground for this one.
Hi Paul - I'm sorry to see that you will sell these, but I give you great kudo's for a t least estimating the price in your video. That shows a distinct lack of greed.
Paul, we hate the thought of them leaving…… they’re just so gorgeous, and majestic. Please allow the PS Audio fans a last hurrah of John Williams and The Vienna Philharm’s Star Wars Imperial March if, for anything, a tribute to Arnie. It would be so lovely 🌹
As soon as you said you were selling them the word shipping popped into my mind. Even across town requires some very specialist people. I know there are some companies that do move equipment like this around the world but heaven knows what they would charge.
10k easy just in shipping
Oh man, how I WISH I had the readies to purchase your IRS Vs!, but alas, they are way out of my league! Not to mention, they might not even fit into my music room (ceiling is too low). Someone's gonna be very happy, and I'm disappointed that I probably won't be able to see those beauties in person.
Because of Pauls relation to Arnie Nudell this is a legacy and are a icon for PS Audio
Hi Paul. Greetings from a former alumni. I have evaluated your loud speakers at a value that fetches a well deserved value. In lieu and all, provenance. 1 million dollars fine Sir
“Take these broken wings and learn to fly again”
you beat me to it !
Mr. Mister
Well said....
there a guy in Bay Area been trying to sell his original IRSV but he has no room so he stuffed it in garage. It was appalling when I saw it and there was no room in his garage either. The hot weather probably did more damage too. I don't know how he got a hold of it as these speakers belongs in mansions size house
$70K reminds me of hearing the Goldmund Apologue in Hollywood. I walked into the big room with a wave shaped ceiling and nearly fell over laughing at these speakers the size of a PA but elegant and whimsical, with knurled knob things the diameter of a record holding the boxes into a frame. But how to listen to it? Someone had dropped Paul Simon's Graceland onto the (immaculately vacuumed) floor so I dropped it into the CD player that probably cost more than my car and settled back into the sweet spot seat with the whole room to myself after 5 hours driving around in LA traffic, aahhh. The sound was hyper real, so dynamic it felt like sitting behind the drums.
The world famous IRSV of PS Audio...
I would like Paul sir, you to keep it and not sell it. This is a great discovery from PS Audio.
PS Audio is a world famous No.1 brand....
Rich quality - High quality - Trully Hi-Fi ...
Being a former owner of Infinity RS-1B’s this mornings topic is extremely interesting for me to hear.
If I had the money, those would be on their way to me right now!
I know a guy in CA who has a set of these. He literally stopped watching to Paul's videos when Paul said the IRS5s were no longer THE reference speakers. People get really emotional about these speakers.
I would not be surprised if people visiting ps audio wold tank after you sell these beauties.
If I only had a room big enough and solid enough, I’d buy your Infinity 5’s in a heartbeat!
I have heard these speakers, at PS Audio. The soundstage is indeed superb, but not the best I've heard. That distinction belongs to a long defunct stand mount speaker called the Vision Acoustics Soloist. The Soloist was, and to my knowledge still is, the only full range point source. "Full range" single drivers typically rely on a whizzer cone to make the highs, and I've never been able to stand them. The Soloist has a piezo, (I know, piezos are cheap sounding, but this is probably the best piezo ever made, from Motorola.) While the Soloists had other problems, (doppler effect was not one of them), mostly related to their small size, i.e. 8" woofer , the soundstage was amazing. And, yes I currently own a pair. What shocked me the most after hearing the legendary, and they truly are legendary, IRSs, is that I had no desire to replace my Sound Lab speakers afterwards.
I believe they were disconnected because people would travel there to listen to them, taking away attention from the aspens...lf l go there l want to listen to the IRSV
Shipping is a pain, but remember, people ship concert grand pianos around the world all the time. These are easier, there are four main pieces, and the wings detach.
My info says this is an older video, and the speakers have already been sold.
Wow, thats a very fair price... with all the mods...
My HOPE is that he sold them to make room for Aspen FR50s. Same configuration as the IRS-Vs but with the modern high/mid drivers from the rest of the Aspen line.
I think this is great. These speakers should be used and enjoyed. I think at 80k they are a deal.
Whaaatttt!?!? I would have NEVER expected you to sell your grail IRS-V’s Paul… 😢 Speaking of which, was the model numbers of PSAudio speakers not going to be named AN-xx (In honour of Arnie Nudell), why did it change to FR-xx/Aspen?
Hi Paul. Could you show us the whole speaker rather than just the tweeter baffle, we'd love to understand how these ancient speakers are built.
it's so sad to see the Irs V go....😢
It's simply not true about needing the side wings. You can fold the wings back in a dipole for front to center seperation and get much better imaging with a dipole. This is what GR research does and Danny explains this very well.
Folding them back would work, sort of, but you would still have them. So I would disagree with you (though I doubt danny would disagree with me). Folding them back keeps the rear and front waves from cancelling and you would see them less, you're right. But in Arnie's design he depends on the front baffle size to keep the lower end intact so while it might help in some ways it wouldn't in them all.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio the wider baffle will help with lower frequency reinforcement, yes but as baffle surface area increases, imaging decreases. Folded side wings when done asymmetrical is the idea setup.
@@ClassifiedBrief Yup. If you look at the Genesis II we designed back in the 90s they had the folded back wings. Not as good at imaging as the Gen 1s or the IRSV, but you're right they do work.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio are you saying the folded side wings reduces imaging? The irs IV with folded asymmetrical side wings would image better, but wouldn't go down as low with those drivers.
Slim/small designs are more marketing, WAF and cheap shipping than anything. Diffraction and Baffle Step occur no matter how wide or narrow a cabinet speaker, the size of the baffle just defines what frequency it happens at, and narrow speakers are worse as they tend to put the transition into a more audible frequency region. The acoustic smoothness of that transition and minimizing bad diffraction is all about the transition of baffle to room - physically smooth and round accomplishes that, which those wings are - and proper crossover compensation.
The question also mentioned diffraction being a problem. That's what the very gradual curve on the baffle is for. With a shape like that you'd get basically zero audible diffraction.
I think many of us are sad to see the world famous Paul McGowan IRS V go away.
1 million Dollars Paul. I'm suggesting an insurance value at 1.5 million.
Someone just got an absolute bargin.
For close to that price, you can get Vandersteen model Seven Extreme speakers that will easily throw a wider, more focused, more believable soundstage.
Even the Vandersteen Kento speakers, for much less, will easily best the IRSV speakers in every category other than shaking the room.
For $70,000.00 there are lots of amazing speakers, by many manufacturers, that are better than the IRSV speakers.
For back in the 1980s, the IRSV speakers were amazing, and still sound great. But with today's offerings, at that price point, by other manufacturers, the IRSV speakers would not be on my list.
If you want a piece of history, and want that grandiose look, then the IRSV speakers are for you. And they will sound great. But they will not sound as good as many other $70,000.00 speakers.
If Paul did not have this audience, I doubt that he would get that price.
And if you have a problem with those IRSV speakers, you are done. Good luck finding someone to repair a problem. You could contact Paul. But will he help? And what will he charge to send someone over -- especially if they have to fly and it would take a day or more to repair the problem?
@@NoEgg4uit’s true, but these are a piece of history, that’s the difference, there won’t be many of these left, certainly not reconditioned to this calibre. They’re one of a kind, any collector would take these over vandersteens
@@SpyderTrackstbh the fact that they're heavily modified decreases their historical value imo
@@NoEgg4u
This person will already have the speakers of their choice and is interested in the rarity of these speakers and not necessarily weather these speakers can compete with today's modern speakers. Obviously, this person will be of financial means with a house that can handle the size of this system, and probably other large sound systems too.
Best regards,
NoSoup4u
@bryanbassett2110 You forget the original designer helped in this modification. Also, older speakers must have mods done as they get to the point where the sound quality is vastly degraded. I rebuilt my Altec Lansing model 14s by rebuilding the crossovers and bypassing the power circuit and the tone controls as they were adding noise. I even took the tweeter voicecoils out and cleaned them. Now they sound better than new. Woofers need new voicecoils, so I need to read up on how to replace them properly as I don't trust anyone else to do this. So yes, rebuilds amd mods are necessary. Unless you just want to have them to look at and not put music to them...
I hope my neighbor buys them....
$110k AUD... As a flex 💪. I could see it. But you would need a suitable house to even install them + electronics costs...
For the money, I'd be buying a modern active pro-audio line source/array, to really rock my world.
They're incredible, but at least in their old facility, they didn't sound great - the high end was rolled off and in fact they had a pair of Focals in the engineering area that sounded much better even considering the room.
I even walked behind them to make sure a speaker cable hadn't become disconnected. 🤷♀
A line source does not put out a column. An infinite line source will make a 2-D soundfield that is perpendicular to the axis of the line, but no one has an infinite line source. With these finite line source dipoles the soundfield will be more like a greatly flattened ovoid, the long axes of which will (again) be perpendicular to the line. However, Paul is correct that the wings are necessary to control the destructive interference between the waves from the front and back of the dipole.
Then can you explain how Martin Logan does it? I have the Classic 9's electrostats and the whole CURVED panel is crossed over at 380 Hz. and has a radiating area of 405 sq. inches. These are considered a true dipole/line source design as well. Thanks.
The ML dipole's lowest freqs (~380hz) are nearly 4x shorter in wavelength than the ~100hz wavelengths of the IRS.
Quarter-wave destructive interference of a 380hz x/over is ~9"
vs
~34" for the 100hz quarter-wave destructive interference for the IRS.
There's another element to the propagation, ... the ML stat radiating panel is wide and curved.
Whereas the planar magnetic radiation of the IRS is propagating from a narrow wavelaunch.
I suspect the difference could be represented by a low Q, broad component of the wider panel ...
vs.
The high Q, more narrow component of the IRS.
@@FOH3663 Thanks FOH for the breakdown. I did not know that the mid panels on the IRS went down to 100 Hz! That is VERY low for a midrange! But then here is the NEOLITH which is passive like my Classic 9. Interesting stuff (O:
@@garysmith8455
I've heard Paul say 100hz. Also iirc, I remember seeing original specs of down at 70hz.
The signal being spread across 12 drive units, maths out to ~8% each.
Plus there's acoustic coupling of 3dB/doubling of drivers, and 3dB per doubling power, all maths out to ~+20dB over that of a single driver.
Plus, exhibiting line source behavior in an 8' room height, it's planar waves would diminish at half the rate over distance of that of typical point sources.
That price is a killer deal. But the shipping would make it just worth picking up personally if you're in this hemisphere.
What is the price?
@@piotrbiedowicz1602 70 to 80 k - it's in the video you obviously didn't watch. 😉
@@Fastvoice i watched whole video but I did not hear it🤷♂️
I think shipping in US would be easy. A long box van and wrap them in lots of moving blankets and lay the 4 columns down. Some foam bracing and straps. People ship multi million dollar cars across the US just to avoid the miles and use them for a day or two at an event and ship them back. It is not that expensive once you commit to the idea of a dedicated truck and moving company.
@@user-od9iz9cv1w That wasn't my point. My point was pricing. I don't know what the speakers weigh but my guess is around 1500lbs each,
Talk about shipping. Does the price include shipping to Australia?? Personal delivery, you can just slide them in ya hand luggage :)
I love them but they have to go, got to move on... Is it me, or does that not sound logic?
That is audiophile language for “My wife doesn’t love ‘em, and if the speaker doesn’t go, I go!” 🤣🤣🤣 No, seriously, Terry would never do that, I think…😅 Wish I was on the other side of the Pond. I’d love to have those.
When my adult kids are all grown up they have to go but I still want them here
They’ve already been sold. About a week or two ago. Iirc Paul sold them for $75k
It’s been coming for a while. They got sidelined from the main listening room. Then moved into basically a hallway.
As much as he loves them it’s better for them to go somewhere they’ll be used and enjoyed.
If they have wings could they not fly themselves to a new owner?
Move on to...? The Aspens are awesome but will never be the icons these are...ever....History will keep these alive.
Paul what type of woofers did you use for replacement , diy project. Thanks, Andrew
I believe they used Dayton Reference metal cone woofers, circa ~10yrs ago.
OH, Paul, you should donate them to me just to get my x upset.
Paul wont you need to have extremely tall ceilings for these to sound right ? ,,,,, I say this because if the woofers get too close the ceiling you will get really bad reflections coming back down to the listening position ..... I know that sound guys don't like speakers more then 50 percent the height of the room ..... also the room will need to be very large or you will over pressurize it and get all manner of anomalies reaching the listeners ears ,,,,,,,, do you agree ???
What a shock - PS audio speakers are better 😅
Is there a 30 day return-period on these speakers ?😊
Someone in Norway claims to have a pair modified by you🤔
Too bad the V's have to go - I believe they're a drawing card for visitors to PS Audio - - been wondering why they haven't been hooked up, guess this video is the answer.
These IRSV's have already sold :(
At that price most definitely
Hi Mr Paul i wonder if closing the Emit and Emim drivers on the back could work as well
this should cancel their rear emissions
I do not know if they are designed to work on a open baffle
The rear radiation is a key component to their operation, ... a vital advantage.
now i believe your new speakers are better then. lets save some money for aspens :D
How much did they sell for?
70-80K Thats it??????
Like to see the woofers in a video.
Weren't there four columns, two entirely separate coumns with four woofers each and placed a few feet behind the mid/tweeter columns on an angle?
Thats irs beta/v. This is the big dog with 2x 6x12" subtowers. Genesis still makes them.
@@Error2username thanks. So Paul still has a set of the beta/v?
Wish you could have showed us the woofers
Sift through all of PS Audio's vids. and you'll find them.
$80,000? I’m thinking that they won’t hang around long at that price.
What were the replacement woofers?
Dayton metal cone Ref woofers iirc.
Shame you’re selling them they are legacy of yours and a friend
I would not sell them. You will be sorry...
I think it is great we have the Stereophile video with sound clips of these speakers in Paul's old listening room.
ruclips.net/video/i-wA7Yl-NZM/видео.html
Come on Paul, Plzz just gift it to me.
@3:50 "Until the Aspens..."
@4:06 "And they (the IRSV speakers) were only bested, just recently, like two years ago (by the Aspen speakers)."
I was on-board with our host, until he went into "what he omitted" salesman mode.
There were many other speakers, by other manufacturers, that were better than the IRSV speakers -- and for decades.
The Aspen line of speakers are extremely good. But the notion that nothing else existed on that level, until the Aspen speakers, is absurd.
Now our host did say, @4:00, "These speakers made the single best soundstage I have ever heard." So perhaps our host was being honest based on what he has heard. But he made it seem like no other such capable speakers existed before his Apsen speakers, and that is ridiculous.
You can only make judgement on what you have personally heard & I would think that Paul has heard far more pair of speakers than 95% of the population.
@@purplehazeffc "You can only make judgement on what you have personally heard & I would think that Paul has heard far more pair of speakers than 95% of the population."
I agree.
He made it sound like he never listened to other highly regarded high-end speakers. I cannot prove that he as heard dozens of other dream speakers. But I will lay any odds that he has. And that is why his comments were beyond the pale.
"Our host" has a name.
To be fair, I didn't hear him say these were the best speakers he ever heard. Just that they provided the best soundstage until the Aspen speakers came along. And that may well be true. We all know there is more to speakers than soundstage, but if that was these speakers strength, I'd imagine Paul has listened to enough speakers to make that judgement based on his own experience.
@@stewartmacdonald601 "To be fair, I didn't hear him say these were the best speakers he ever heard. Just that they provided the best soundstage until the Aspen speakers came along."
High end stereos is our host's life. For more decades than most of us have been alive, he has strived for the best sound quality, in every aspect of its makeup.
For him to claim that he never heard a better soundstage (or better [fill in the blank]) until his Aspen speakers were created is utter nonsense. I do not like to call anyone a liar, but how can we believe that in his industry, with his contacts, with his travels, that he never heard the competition's speakers best his IRSV's soundstaging?
The people that make a living off of their ownership of high end audio gear... they absolutely listen to the competition. To think that they do not would be like believing that Honda personnel do not review Toyota's vehicles, etc.
You wrote "To be fair..."
Are you being fair by believing our hosts sale's pitch?
15 buckeroo take it or leave it
People worry too much about defraction. Most of the best speakers have their drivers mounted in the middle of the cabinet equidistant from the baffle edge. Circular baffle are horrible except B&W have round baffles and round enclosures and sound amazing. Stop listening to people about baffles and look at what the best speaker designers are actually doing.
Perform the experiments yourself, ... the effects of baffle diffraction often manifest as significant nulls and choppiness in the response.
Everything matters, ... just some things more than others!
@@FOH3663 ive built over 1000 boxes since the 80s for car and home. I have enough experience.There is measurments and listening. The best sounding speakers today have the drivers centered in the box with mostly square boxes and pretty square edges . See wilson audio. Im not saying it doesnt matter just that every other aspect of the design except looks matters way more and most companies dont worry much about it.
We all know what they are going for now. One million dollars and my frien😢 retires.
😳🫣
Sad
3:18 "and this is one of the rare examples of a line source"
Why does this guy make these ludicrous statements?? He's really out of touch with what is currently available! There are certainly more line source speakers on the market today than ever!!!
A true line source is 7.5 to 8' tall. When you suggest there are lots of them, how about instead of just always being critical, add the name here for us. I'd love to know of the "many" true line sources available today.
first lol
ruclips.net/video/cH8iv4n2kco/видео.html
Yes you are the first "LOL"
Good, the speakers deserve a proper home to be played and enjoyed, like classic cars they should be used not just looked at.