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I really wish more people delved into topics like thease. Its hard to find people who think deep like you. I love how your question everything. And really go into every detail hidden in the corner. You do it beautifully and I thank you for it. I can never get my thoughts out as elegant as you or how I'd like to sound. Thank you!🤗
@@kristiericson1365 Yeah. As a matter of fact, it came up in trial a couple of times. So much has happened since I listened to the testimony a couple of weeks ago that I legit can't remember what the deal was.
I think that was to make JD look bad in front of the jury because of drugs and hanging out with people like Marilyn Manson. Not saying it was right- but I think it was just a legal tactic against jd. Not so much collusion. But I could be wrong!
My Sister is narcissistic and from a very young child she told extreme lies. She told our mum she was colour blind when she was not and also that she kept being taken to hospital from school. As an adult she continued her lies, they seemed to give her a sense of power she even enjoyed it when she was found out . She has also accused an ex of being abusive to her when in fact it was her that was abusive and manipulating . Her reason to accuse him was he no longer wanted to be with her. Narcissistic people cant help but invent stories and lies to gain the feeling of power, they are also very good at creating enablers, that is a group of friends or family that thy convince they are the victim in any situation and get the enabler to help them keep up the lie even support it .”Evan Rachel Wood” reminds me a lot of my sister. Her manner and demeanor , the way she goes about things, right down to the same look on her face that I recognize on my sisters face. It is very sad but if Joe public cant recognize a narcissist they can quite easily become an enabler and innocent people can suffer greatly .I now have no contact with my sister ,it was the only way to safe myself
Thank you for sharing your story. For me it is really interesting to hear this from someone who had a narcissistic family member. People probably need to hear more like this from people who experienced something like this, so they can relate it to ERW and understand that she is basically manipulating the whole world at the moment...
Yup. Reminds me so much of my husband’s ex. She was the abuser but would go around claiming victim hood and abuse. Until you get to know someone like this from the point of seeing the lies most people cannot even begin to understand how fraudulent their whole persona is and what could motivate someone to behave that way. They can’t even consider it.
Sadly, I've been surrounded by these people, from my parents to my younger sister and a couple of exes. It led to years of me being meek until I found out that THEY were the abusers who had gaslit me into believing that I was a problem since they'd shout, hit me, cry, and blame me for "hurting" them. My sister once stole a CD from me and denied it, but I went in her room, found it, and she attacked me demanding for me to give it BACK because she likes the music more than I do and I am not a true alternative music fan--whatever the fuck that is. She then kept hitting me as I blocked her in my doorway and shoved her away before locking the door, she began kicking it and screaming, then not ten minutes later, she starts crying, hits herself a few times, calls her friend, and says that I beat her up and gave her a black eye.
I’m glad for you to have broken through the bullshit and made that realization. I hope you are in a position to separate yourself and continue healing. Sounds like it’s been very difficult for you.
@@judithflom6366 Well, the cycle of abuse often is hard to break out of even if your original abusers are no longer in the picture. I didn't know I was being abused, I just remember feeling like shit because I was "the bad kid" and parents are always right. This is why I couldn't identify abuse in two relationships, and when I finally did, it made future relationships MUCH happier. Wood and the other accusers don't follow any patterns of abuse I've seen in my own experience or in support groups. Yet, the "experts" on abuse tell me that I know nothing about it. Gee, I don't know, I only have physical scars from it on top of deep-seated mental ones, but sure, I know nothing, and that's why I stand with Manson and ACTUAL victims.
I keep going back to Marilyn Manson was an extremely public figure that had videos, music, pictures, interviews etc that openly portrayed his interests in violence, sex, Natzi images, bondage, drugs etc before Evan met him. There is no way that at 18 to 19 years old, which is an adult, she had no idea who he was and what he was into. She openly started a relationship with him, she stayed in a relationship with him for years, she left him and then went BACK to him and got engaged.
Which she lied about NOT going after HIM. And why does she explictly she was a minor...at every person who listens. 18 is not child. Not even 16. That's just a huge flag and a lie! How many times she going to try have someone agree she was a minor... WHAT A FREAK. her interviews are like audition
Especially coz it's very clear she was rebelling her mother when dating Manson. I think she took the concept of rebelling against her home taught religion from her mom to her Judais. Seeing Manson's war against Fundamental Right Wing Christian America as inspiration but getting wrong messages from it, threw her own spin on it, but took the idea of the imagery which Mansom took some inspiration from mostly in a militant fashion way, utilized the fear that nazis evoke to make a point in what he was saying. But I think she took that nazi thing literally in her rebellion against her mom, a way which it was never meant to be from Manson. I think now that she's older and a mother, she's ashamed of that chapter so she's trying to burn it down. What I find interesting is that she clearly learned some artistic and film influences from Manson and she tries to adopt them as her own ideas or like she naturally found these interests on her own but deep inside she knows these things were something he showed her, and that reminds her of him and she hates that about him . I think that's a big part of her attempt to destroy him.
Yes. It actually makes sense...even in my own life...I regret alot of things. But I dont bend the truth and have to accept that it was my own actions. Accountability is a bitch.....
I wouldn't necessarily call her an A-lister. She's been onscreen with A-listers, but she's not first choice nor the one who rakes in the money in Hollywood blockbusters. She's no Leo, Pacino, Hopkins, Streep, Winslet, Jolie, etc. Yes she's played the protagonist but like you said, it's been mainly in indie films or just films/projects that are forgotten. Her blaming MM for her past behavior and choices is a great way to get back on top at the expense of someone else. Let's blame MM so that I'm now taken more serious as a person and as an actor.
Same. Literally no one knows her outside of US and most people in US who know her, know her because of dating Manson or the movie Thirteen which she acted in when she was 15 and has recently got trending because of TikTok
The compulsion to lie for a personality disordered person is much more emotional and power tripping than a calculated career move. She got someone to make a whole documentary about HER based on the lies. It’s feeding the ego.
It's sad and wrong, but Hollywood doesn't have much use for lead actresses older than 35 or so. Even A-list women who were huge box office draws start getting typecast in small "Stepmom" or "School Teacher" roles. I'm not sure of Evan's motives and I'm just speculating, but incorporating activism into her celebrity brand to maintain career relevance is definitely a possible motive
I'm undecided on this particular case as I haven't seen all the evidence, but what I have heard/learned is enough to make me pause judging & delve deeper into questioning & analyzing. I think your points about programming are not only fascinating, but extremely important- what kind of culture have our forebearers created & why & which parts do we now need to mull over & collectively decide to discard or continue? One of those cultural norms we need to look at again is the one that encourages men to look at young, mid- late pubescent women as desirable partners- no matter the age of the men. And what roles do capital & power accumulation play? Entire industries are built on this once biologically sound view & it deeply affects every human on the planet in a decidedly unhealthy way at this stage of human/societal development. It's part of why ERW & others like her have their childhoods taken or drastically shortened & why men like MM (&JD to an extent) thought it was appropriate, or even normal since it is so encouraged, to engage in such emotionally fraught & experientially imbalanced relationships in the first place.
Exactly. I am not fully decided because I haven't seen all the evidence, I knew ah was a liar from the jump. Ibdont particularly like ERW she always seemed a bit of a self possessed snot. But watching her testify before congress before she named her abuser and then watching Phoenix rising, while I disagreed with some of her framing I found her fairly believable. The sheer number of accusers and the few men from his tours who have said they are being truthful he saw it gives me pause to think that there is truth behind it all. MM is problematic. His push against societal norms while they don't bother me nor does his appearance at all, even a bdsm lifestyle doesn't shock or bother me. But he certainly set himself up to not be believed, his violent behaviors. His memoir the sheer number of accusers and the problematic push to date women who are barely adult women lends him to being questionable. Like beloved Bill Cosby, how many women had to come forward before our society went hey maybe this is a problem here. And I agree we have to ask why we normalize men seeking out barely out of puberty partners. Think of all the stories and songs you know about men seeking out young girls that were chart toppers. We have alot that needs to be looked deeply at.
One man admitted he seen nothing,just heard gossip. Other one just says its all true. That's it. He got sacked after only playing twice with Manson so is disgruntled on top of it.
As someone with a psychology background, and who grew up in a house with at least one narc, yes! Thank you! Also, the free will thing… we are programmed so if we live unconsciously, without self reflection, we won’t change. We need to become super conscious and try to change our choices each moment to almost reprogram ourselves! One more thought! I’m a Buddhist and we believe that technically we do choose these lives, based on what we need to accomplish to change our karma, and we are very karmically tied to our families.
Evan rachel: " love me hate me but never ignore me." Marilyn was his most famous ex and wanted to become an activist with the most press to try to further her carreer. It worked amazingly for amber for a while so she copied ambers stunt.
I have no personal experience with this but I keep tabs on an ERW thread on a lesbian website and there is a lot of bias against women who call themselves bi. ERW has whined about this many times as well. They seem to regard bi women as 1) straight women who want to seem edgy and experiment and will eventually end up with men or 2) crazy, avoid at all costs.
Evan tries really hard to paint her childhood as being abusive, troubled and traumatic but nothing she brings up about her upbringing in the documentary sounds like it warrants that . She says her parents argued and 'yelled at eachother' sometimes. Um, that's something that occurs at one time or another in nearly every household Evan, it certainly did in mine and friends of mine. And also that her parents got divorced - again, shake hands with half the rest of the world. Apart from her getting into acting pretty young and going to auditions and shoots etc - her childhood and family background kinda sounded completely normal and average??
Trauma occurs because of the feeling of terror, not because of specific situations that other people think as "trauma worthy". Children think and feel in ways that doesn't obey any single rule or logic. A child can be traumatized as an infant, if their parent behaves in scary ways, even though the parents might not understand they're doing anything wrong. For example, the blank face-experiment shows that even a parent just staring at the infant with a blank face makes them extremely distressed. If someones parent is narcissistic, or has any other social difficulties due to personality disorders, its improbable that the child survives without some kind of trauma, simple or complex, if the child has sensitivity to traumatization.
There are 7 over us in my family, 5 girls, 2 boys. We are very different on our views of our childhood. Just like witnessing a crime, every viewpoint of 7 witnesses is gonna be different in description but carry different weights. I can give you an example, ask all 7 of us what was Xmas like in our household and though the same thing happened in front of all of us we each describe it differently. We did not celebrate Xmas and there is 1 sister that found it tragic and hated my mom for the longest, even though we got gifts most of the year cause my mom wanted to show appreciation for us being good kids. To this day, it is a tragedy to her. Why? She will say cause we didn't get gifts. And we think she is nuts. To me it is more perspective then just nurture or nature.
ERW always gave me the creeps. When watching her in interviews I would say “she’s always ON”, nothing seems genuine. She’s talented and beautiful but she just seems like she’s always lieing, always changing, she’s a creep
I find your analysis and your attitude so refreshing Colonel Kurtz, it's always interesting to listen to you. I don't believe we have free will, but we do have some sense of choice. I would love to listen to your perspective on the subject of free will and choice. Thank you kindly.
Geneticists have proven that there are genes that people can have activated that make addiction a much bigger danger, making the first try of something extremely likely to create a problem, and we aren't automatically aware of our genetic makeup to make those choices before it's too late. Just because one person finds it easy to try a drug and move on it doesn't make that the only experience for everyone else. Empathy really is in such short supply.
@@forpeace1580 unless you are rich* Drugs are classist issue. When the rich does them, they are either trying to have fun or self medicate. When the absolute poorest do them they are also thieves, prostitutes, murderers, rapists and everything else. It wasn't about Johnny, it was about MONEY
Excellent discussion! I have been pondering ALL of this most of my life, and especially recently. My husband is an alcoholic, and seems truly unable to take the "exit ramp", based on how young he was when this started, his strong genetic predisposition as part Native American, and the severe abuse he suffered as a child. It's heart-wrenching. Because of his history, it makes me feel torn over leaving or staying. And then i wonder why I've stayed for 26 years and what that says about me and my own pathology. And now I'm stuck in my thoughts on a meta level. Internal scream.
May 2007 Wood starred in Manson's racy music video for his 2007 single "Heart-Shaped Glasses (When the Heart Guides the Hand)," which faced plenty of backlash at the time for its NSFW imagery. "At the end of the video, we're kissing and it's raining blood - and for me, that was one of the most romantic moments of my entire life," Wood told GQ months after the video's premiere. Its hard to believe Evan.2007 she was saying..it was one the most romantic moments of her life..and many years later she accuse him of rape????Shes so strange
He gave her drugs without her consent, sometimes when victims are not ready to accept what happened to them and the public shame they denied or justify what happened, or denied it was in fact rape and after therapy they are able to face something as traumatic as this.
I think she is surrounded y others that more or less is pushing this forward. ERW has a dark side and this seems like her way to distance herself from it. MM is the perfect person to “hate”, he’s no saint but like with JD they are innocent til proven guilty. When it comes to addiction there are people that just can’t stop, it’s in their biology before and after. When several women have to be “coached” into “remembering” their trauma something don’t add up. childhood trauma and feelings should not be in the case against her relationship with MM. Maybe there is something there that wasn’t dealt with and she’s “projecting” this? That might be a reason to she seems more believable than example AH, there is something but maybe not him? Well I’m speculating but all in all the truth will out.
@@angelaggarrido7816 YOU HAVE NO PROOF. HAVE YOU SEEN BEHIND SCENES??? SHES PERFECTLY FINE! SHES IS A FREAK WITH A SON AND PROBLEMS so uh oh. Theyre gonna see my video debut. Blood, me enjoying it. Her son has a Dad. Now a circle of gay women. Is it ok he prob thinking bcuz she's lying and saying it's fear of Manson whose in his bed with his wife (wink wink not to bright there Ev. )
@@angelaggarrido7816All that psychobabble aside, ERW was a willing ; enthusiastic participant in the HSG video shoot, as attested to be eitnesses, & in ERW's own words. It was only years later, when it suited her grifty agenda of the day, that she announced retrospectively, & deceitfully, that she'd been rapped. A few years in jail might sort her out.
It’s hard to put my feelings about her into words but to put it simply, I’ve always gotten strange vibes from ERW. Even prior to all this controversy. Also - your analysis of the brothers remark is spot on.
I wholeheartedly agreed with the jury’s decision in the Depp case. But this is very different. Let’s wait for all the evidence to come out before taking any sides.
I'm also feeling this may be different. But hey prove me wrong. Let's not jump to Manson's defense just bcos this situation is similar to the Depp v Heard.
I prefer to believe 16 women, other women who had a slight assault like videotaping under a women’s skirts with a GoPro that was said by a stage hand he does it all time, dozens of witnesses. I bet there’s a ton of evidence. There’s tons of witnesses. Even Warner’s exes are supporting Evan. He’s also admitted to many grotesque things.
you just made the point - she made a conscious decision to pick a target, engage other actors in the endeavor and basked in the spotlight. i grew up with 2 narcissist parents but I choose not to follow the example i saw every day of my childhood.
I agree. I had a Narc mum. However we don't know that NPD isn't genetic. NParents have kids without NPD. I would never forgive or justify my NMs behaviour and abuse, because I still believe in free will and being able to know right from wrong....but I have a conscience...and empathy...and remorse...My NM doesn't...so it follows that it's easier for me to not act like an AH.
I agree. I had a Narc mum. However we don't know that NPD isn't genetic. NParents have kids without NPD. I would never forgive or justify my NMs behaviour and abuse, because I still believe in free will and being able to know right from wrong....but I have a conscience...and empathy...and remorse...My NM doesn't...so it follows that it's easier for me to not act like an AH.
🗣 *ERW legal team will definitely use this tailor made excuse of “I acted this way because!”* *Then sprinkle with emotive buzzwords like ‘narcissistic Father’ ‘domestic abuse’ etc!* *I hope this Judge sees through this farce* *Excellent analysis as per usual Colonel!* 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I can see ERW is a Narcissist herself. I guess her upbringing also created her to be one, but Narcissism is coddled and pampered and even encouraged in this day and age. Maybe it always has been to a degree, but especially now. But I think her violent protest and protection of her image is part of her Narcissism and she is willing to use MM as a shield to protect that image she has re-created. IG I think is the linchpin in this endeavor, frame job, and without her I don't think it would have happened. Again IG is also a garden variety Narcissist who is known to do extreme and malicious acts to gain attention and notoriety to her "art" and would be drawn to ERW celebrity. And by this time ERW would be so embarrassed at her behavior when she was dating a rock star that the only way she felt like she could explain it away was to blame MM and make him into the monster that forced her to do all these things she is ashamed of. Just admitting she was a young adult who was finding herself and experimenting wasn't enough, the truth isn't satisfactory here because she can't use that as a launchpad for this era of her career. She needs a survivor story to get the clout and accolades that gets to take a ride on the Me Too movement.
@@maam-yj8ph Exactly! Manson is disposable to her, and also an easy target. He spent years creating this image for himself. He did most of the work for her.
I think you comparing this to Amber Heard is absolutely ridiculous. You have Manson himself who openly spoke in his book about abusing his female partners. He even refers to having his fathers’s temper. He spoke in interviews about his fantasies of killing Evan. I’ve yet to see this “evidence” that she’s lying.
He also mentioned beastiality in his book which really made me go wtf? I was on the fence with Evan until I watched her docu, but now I absolutely believe she is telling the truth, and she's not alone either. Unfortunately people have a hard time spotting predators, which is also a reason why abuse happens in the first place. Amber is a predator, and so is Manson. Those two should move to a desert island together and leave others alone.
His autobiography is grotesque and sickening, you just have to read it to know why what happened to ERW and the other women was no surprise to many people
Check Manson Instagram he posted all of his evidence online months ago now. Wood and her GF have allready been caught lying. Also woods gf has fled the country now.
I don't think it goes as deep as this at all. I think it's a very basic play for money and notoriety. I think what you see in PR is 99%BS to persuade the audience that she's a victim. Shes from a very toxic community and in keeping with the recent Social Justice culture growth, it's not enough just to be an actress. The main roles will be drying up soon and being a saintly advocate for DV female victims is very attractive to her. She can milk that for years. I don't even thinks she regrets being the wildchild gf of MM. I do think she has probably been a very abusive partner in every one of her relationships and wants a way to erase or justify that. If she came out suddenly as a spokesperson for abuse, some of her past partners could call her out. By accusing MM and painting herself as a victim she makes that very difficult for them to speak the truth....they would be "victim blamers". Ergo she's just an antisocial person who doesn't gaf as long as she get money, power and fame in the way she wants it. I don't think she has a better or worse relationship with reality v fantasy than any other Narc in Hollywood.
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See crazy days and nights guide to designating people. She’s B list. Probably B plus. I have seen her listed as B+ but with A list name recognition. A list is scarlet Johansson or Angelina Jolie who can anchor big budget movie and draw in crowds. It’s not indicative of acting quality where I would give her an A-
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I’m shocked so many people think Evan is the next Amber Heard or acting like her. Evan was famous in her own right before she even met Manson. I grew up being a huge fan of BOTH Manson and Evan. With Amber the way she talked about the “abuse” was so cringy and it was so apparent she was lying. I do not get that vibe with Evan at all. With everything I’ve read and watched, my mind goes to her being truthful. Or at least 1,000 percent more truthful than Amber. But I love to listen to other people’s opinions and hearing another side to how I feel…
I agree completely. I've always loved metal, and MM's image has never bothered me. My feeling is Evan is truthful, what she says sounds too much like the vibes I got from his autobiography, which was worrysome. Also, Evan is not alone, other women claim they have experienced similar, and a guy who toured with Manson confirms her story, what was his name? While Amber is somehow the only woman JD abused? There's no similarity here what I see.
I agree 💯 . Amber was a completely different case, I don’t get that vibe from Evan at all. It’s possible for someone to lie about or forge a letter and still be a victim. Let’s not forget that MM had scarred his mother’s face and said that he didn’t regret doing it, apart from the many utterly reprehensible things he has said. MM is not Johnny and amber is not Evans just because they are friends. People can be different in different relationships. Let’s not forget that MM has had many accusations over the years - so many people can’t be liars.
I admit I am biased on this one after watching the documentary Phoenix Rising on HBO. Right now I admit I believe her! Yet I believed Johnny in his case which is very different imo.
I belive evan. 4 people have Come forward about being abused by mm. 3 exes of mm. And a former assistent. And also a tour worker has Come forward telling that they are not lying. I dont think all those people would Just Come out and Lie. Were is the motive in that. I belive evan and the women. IT was very different with amber. There was No other women Who came forward telling that jd was an abuser.
@@stinehansen191 right. I’m so sick of this chic trying to make this another Amber heard situation. There was grooming. Fact. 18 and he was all over her!
@@snoozyq9576 it is super rare for people to acuse of abuse. In the amber/jd case she had a motive. She wanted to still live in Penthouses with her friends rent free and get money. She had to acuse him of abuse to get that. In evans case there is No motive at all. And there are several other women acusing him of abuse too. I dont belive they are all lying. Just because one women lied about abuse, we shouldnt atomaticly think every woman is. That is redicloius
I’m also super curious as to why her other brothers opted not to participate in the documentary. Also I think Evan’s mom is more likely the narcissist and slandering the dad.
Think of what a high it is for these narc parents to be in the spotlight for their daughter’s documentary. It sounds like she never accused Mm of these severe abuse when she was with him to her parents and now they are playing hero’s who she turned to in time of need. They will say anything to have that spotlight now. That’s what they raised their daughter for.
The thing about a poseur is... I really don't know how many of Mansons fans "live the lifestyle". He's the probably the most mainstream artist I enjoy or follow. He went mainstream long enough ago that even being his fan in some subcultures will cause a conversation about "selling out" and "real art" in any group of goths or metalheads, metal musicians ect. And "poseur" is a childish slang we mostly put down after highschool. But... The "subcultures of darkness" tho... We've always had a problem with poseurs. People attracted to the aesthetic and the mainstream stereotypes of what outsiders *think* its like to be us. These folks are usually just acting out over something else. It is just a "dark phase" for them, and later they have a lot of regrets... They didn't figure out who they were and become themselves more, they just tried to pretend to be something to get attention. Discovering these subcultures is a very positive, fulfilling, comforting event for most of the people who decide to dive in and live inside them. But, for a very few people its a mistake they make because they don't understand themselves or can't be really honest about who they are. They can't understand that not everyone is just putting on a show for other people, some people are just being themselves. It's not being edgy; it's bare naked, self exposing honesty with a community who can accept and understand that some of us are just really dark, even before age 6... Anyway, she has the standard poseur "goth phase regret" energy going. If you know a real live goth, just ask them about it. Every goth knows someone who "used to be goth" and now tries to pretend that part of them never happened or it was all someone elses "fault"...
I thoroughly enjoyed my “goth phase” in High School, by that I mean clothing and makeup, and in the early 2000’s if you were Goth you were listening to MM, you had read his book many times, it was a group, you could easily identify a fellow Goth and you had a bond on many levels. I no longer outwardly present as Goth, I don’t dress the way I did back then, I still have and cherish all of my band tees from that time and I still listen to the music (just not in the car with my 6 year old) 😅 but I remember that time of my life fondly, and would never change it if I could. It is a big part of what shaped me into the person I am along with all of the other parts in my journey good and bad, but being Goth was never “bad”, but I can see why some might regret having that phase or want to blame someone for what they consider a mistake.
I can't relate to "Goth" or your lifestyles that were exemplified by MM; he is a disgusting figure for young people who feel like they are outcasts. There are other remedies besides "going dark". People need to practice kindness and I never saw that through MM.
@@valerieetter5013 I think you're seeing the whole concept of Goth/metal lifestyles inside out and upside down. That's probably why you are having trouble empathizing with the culture. If you do not understand something you will not understand the people who do. Ignorance is the antithesis of empathy.
@@G0thFarmer But the person is right; people within the "goth" lifestyle were outcasts that simply found a place to belong. Unfortunately - for some - they failed to find safety and comfort, instead were pressured into drug abuse, sexual promiscuity and self harm/violence. This is not uncommon, many subcultures are prime targets for abusers.
In this case I don't think 14 women from different backgrounds are lying about something so serious, besides that they actually fought for a good cause, which was to extend the statue of limitations.
I think this case is so different than the JD-AH case. I truly believe Evan and I think we should be careful to look at each case uniquely. MM is trying to claim he’s a victim of a hoax similar to JD, but the evidence does not point in that direction at all.
It actually might though... apparently Evan and her girlfriend forged a letter purportedly by the FBI which is seemingly supported by a text sent between them drafting the letter, the heading of the letter not belonging to an actual department and the agent who is alleged to have written it denying having done so... that alone to me lends credibility to the possibility that it could all be a hoax that is even more elaborate than Amber's. Also, we've heard from at least 3 of his ex-partners now that he was never abusive and that these accusations do not fit with the person they knew, most notably from Dita von Teese who was with him for 7 years. She could at the very least be exaggerating if not the more sinister possibility that this is some kind of revenge and a result of her having personality disorders like Amber.
@@AlexandraOrzechowski yes!! Not to mention MM has been sued for sexual assault 4 times prior to this case by other women! And there’s footage of him bragging about emotionally abusing Evan by cutting himself hundreds of times, one for each time she ignored his calls when she left him!
@@AlexandraOrzechowski and also that he has fantasies about smashing her head in w a sledgehammer … a little tough to defend him after seeing some of that stuff 😖
The movie made it less credible to me. His previous women have stated categorically that nothing happened to them. Yet, the movie tries to make it seem like he has always treated women that way. That’s dishonest.
She’s definitely A LIST and has a hugely successful career in her own right. The pathology from being raised by a parent narcissistic personality disorder and the misdirection of her childhood emotional abuse and neglect! Her dad should be in prison
Ya, you’re wrong. I consider “King of California” one of the best and I think about it often. This is so disgusting that you all think she is doing this for attention. Manson is clearly and admittedly an abuser.
What seems likely: ERWood, now successful, looks back and feels not only regret, but a deep hatred and resentment for Manson. To spare or at least offset her own self-loathing, to escape owning her own mistakes, she will stop at nothing to destroy Manson. Manson truly could’ve been manipulative, a jerk, an addict, and yet still the victim of a current injustice compared to Wood’s perceived prior injustices.
What makes you so sure? This case is completely different from AH. The way she talks about her abuse, the specifics of it, her body language is all really believable. And on the other side, MM has so many red flags. Violence against the people around him whether it's his mum or throwing a mic at someone, this shows that to him violence is the answer to problems. Not to mention he's shown that he doesn't take consent seriously (kissing a guy who has since complained during a show). He's admitted in his book of some red flags and interviews for example calling ERW 158 times and because she wasn't picking up. He admitted to cutting himself on purpose to show her that SHE was hurting him. (classic abuse tactic) Even if you try to discredit one person, there are also 11 other women out there with different stories with the same pattern all accusing him of abuse. I understand that people love his music and him but at the end of the day, he has deep-seated issues and shouldn't be allowed a free pass to put others through hell.
Yeah why would so many women Come together to make up such a Lie? The case is totally different. I belive that mm is an abuser. I belive evan and the women in this case. The jd case was very different
@@NeloBladeOfRanni you really think 12 women, Who doesnt know eachother, would make up a Lie like this for money? Yeah that sounds weird to me. Abuse is not something that is common to Lie about, Just because amber did it.
“If I were a psychoanalyst”, but you’re not. You’re speculating which is incredibly harmful, and it’s clear to those of us who ARE in this field that you only have a hobbyist, self-help level of understanding of psychology. You throw the term “Freudian” around as a buzzword, and this video is full of speculative psychobabble.
@@4EverGoth How about you go somewhere else then. There is nothing I can't stand more than people telling other people to quit talking about a subject. Who goes beyond misinformation? I didn't see anything like that in this video.
This makes sense. It explains a lot. She made similar accusations against JB. If you are right, any time she would actually have intercourse the childhood trauma of her first time with a much older man against her will on film would completely obfuscate any normal and genuine emotional acceptance and even happiness. Her inability to interpret real from fantasy as a coping method to trauma actually lines up. Even her relationship with a same sex partner is in jeopardy. I have often wondered about this in regards to AH as well. Her traumatic childhood is well known. It is documented that adults who have suffered abuse and trauma often seek out relationships and situations that repeat or shadow in similarity so they can as an adult, heal their inner child. More often than not this response actually repeats the trauma and starts another generation of abuse. Good discussion. Thank you.
@@kmigdon she says he's also a narcissist. And kidnapping their kid with a fake FBI letter that as of yesterday has been confirmed as a fake, done by Evan and her ex gf
I’ll argue that the comment her brother made could work toward her. She was unable to see her and Mansons relationship for what it really was. A 35 yr old preying on a 18 yr old. She believed everything he told her. *Edit: the brother didn’t say that exactly.
She was 18 and he was 37 the age difference is 19 years. He was already and individual that wrote a lot about using and abusing people etc I don't think anyone at 18 is trained to deal with a manipulative abusive partner double their age. In fact many many adults in relationships with abusive individuals will say they did things because they were manipulated and used by their partner
@@NeloBladeOfRanni Yes she did I'm not denying that, but is it normal that a 37 year old dates a girl her age ? No ! Must of guys that age wouldn't dare! besides that did you know our brain is not fully developed until mid twenties, which puts an advantage on him and ultimately she had no experience at that time and he lets be honest, HE had a fetiche for control, dominance and manipulation if (like I said in another comment) you have not read his disgusting book, do it. Don't trust my words but the disgusting thing he wrote and open your eyes.
@@angelaggarrido7816 LOL No older men don't get divorced and get with younger women in their early 20s at all (sarcasm). And early 20s is not a child either. You're developed more than enough by that age to know right from wrong. Unless she was mentally handicapped.
I definitely know the feeling of being overcome with the feeling of disgust to my body especially down there. I can actually say that it greatly explains my addiction/alcoholism for 15 years because i couldn't have intimacy without numbing myself completely. And i absolutely did experience SA as a child and as a teenager and it continued well into my adult years also. I don't know if the disgust was due to being repeatedly traumatized however i know it didn't help it. I grew up in a very super sexualized and dysfunctional home. I still struggle with it but i struggle with body dysmorphia in general anyways. Ive been recovered now for 5 years and it has been such a beautiful blessing but it took atleast 3 years for me to even be able to ponder a relationship. Im not bisexual but did date a girl i felt I was in love with but we were completely celibate. I however loved her enough to be able to let go. I've been with a man now, older, and not that i enjoy when he talks about it it cam be uncomfortable when he says its beautiful or other compliments...i can feel that inner voice. Im really glad you brought up both topics today ♡
Colonel, I have experienced mixed feelings and have had opinions about some of your dialogue/takes on this controversy- I have found myself conflicted as someone who hopes for accountability, has a preference for TRUTH, as a person whose sense of compassion and empathy is quite eNcompassing, YET.. isn’t encouraging this rise of victim identity [*as pertained to women…] that we are both critical about. (I realize I write run-on sentences, I hope I can be understood.) I don’t express myself in RUclips comments often but this work you have been doing has been important to me. What I didn’t mention in regards to my internal conflict is that I have attributed a lot of who I am and what I believe to the influence of Marilyn Manson. Obsessed with him and his music in my early adolescence (around the year 2006) through my teenage years and early adulthood, I have seen him live and up close several times, had the dream to meet and touch him all because of the philosophical and moral ways he influenced me to think and view people and the world, etc. I even waited until I learned to let go or ease the feeling of him being an idol to me, to pay for a meet and greet with the man himself just a couple of years ago (2018.) And make that dream of mine come true. I am not letting the allegations taint that journey and event for me. But I continue to look back on it all more cautiously and critically. And the experiences and perspectives you bring to this arena are instrumental to that. Whew, I did not plan to write so much and I am hesitant to read it and annoy myself with it. Like what was my point? This is the only space where this THING so close to me is being discussed in a manner where I can share my feelings about it openly (whereas anywhere else it would be victim vs abuser discussion, end of story) And I’ve been wanting to say something for so long. It is BECAUSE of all that about myself that I found this to be one of your most important videos and best commentary on this situation/saga. To me it is important to be critical while also communicating an understanding and empathy with varying human experiences. And this commentary showed you doing that. And I commend you for it. Thank you for sharing. Though critical, I am appreciating the space and work. Hope you feel better soon..
I love this analogy. I watched first part and her mother seemed like “oh I don’t know how that happened” Yet ERW was exposed to acting since she was 14 and both parents supported it and let her be on her own in adult world.She went to Chateau Marmont hotel in LA at 18?? Just randomly popped over and met MM by chance? Which 18yr old goes to expensive hotel and hangs there randomly? ERW was exposed to adult world too early and repeatedly states “I was only 18” and was groomed etc. she might realized later on that it was wrong to be going out with much older person and angry with him but making up rape and other allegations went too far.
I think she said she was acting since she was 5yo. Or got a sag card when she was 5yo. And most teenagers go to clubs, that part is not really surprising.
But honestly I think it was wrong for an 37 year old guy to be with a barely legal 18 year old girl, the age difference is often a factor in Manipulation, I think she was groomed by Manson
"I'm such a good girl." What does that get her. I mean straight up lied I hear. And she went back to MM and engaged bcuz it's her persona now. And you cannot blame MM for going out with her. She had a choice and MM wanted to Marry her. That's far from GROOMING. So for some reason she has to lie or then she has to tell everyone she wanted ALL of everything she went thru and now feels guilt and dirty and I feel bad for her in that aspect BUT NOT FOR ACCUSATIONS AND TRYING TO GET OTHERS SO SHE CAN Be - see it's not just me.. She's a head case and MM Should make her go thru an intense eval!
I didn't watch the documentary and do not know the detail in this case and I have never even remotely been a MM fan (I am not a fan of Shock artists), but when I 1st heard about the allegations, I rolled my eyes because of Evan's mannerisms and dress and way she presented herself was a total 180. It almost felt like she was playing Dolories Abernathy. One has to wonder if certain actresses do carry their characters with them and develop multi-personality disorders. Pretty Persuasion is one of her earlier movies where she plays a HS teen falsely accusing her teacher of sexual misconduct. The fact that she presents herself in such a conservative manner in these rounds of interviews (View, Drew, Trevor Noah) makes me thinks she is trying to distance herself from her "DARK" choices in roles and relationships...I mean there is a video of her doing Nazi Salutes at one of MM's concerts. Of course she will have to say she was brainwashed to keep her career. How else would she save herself if that becomes Viral. MM today also doesn't have much power in either Hollywood nor Music industry. He is also fat and unattractive. He is an easy target. Today being viewed as an "Activist" is like a religious "born-again" virtue transformation. She wants to shed her old self and be transformed, but rather than taking personal responsibility that religious conversions require, woke transformations require seeking Justice and targets of blame other than oneself.
Actors say they have to take a chunk of time to put the character back in it’s box so to speak > Jessica Lang has talked about that > I think she seems like she has disassociated from reality which may have been a coping mechanism from childhood
You totally hit the nail on the head and I think mental health doctors should totally be taking a look at this theory of actresses and actors carrying their characters with them and becoming vulnerable to multiple personality disorders Especially if there was already trouble brewing in that person mentally to begin with such as her.
You are ignoring facts, and you are ignoring psychopathic behaviors of Marilyn Manson. Who I was a fan of, but feel totally disgusted by, after finding out that he doesn't like black people, and Jews. BTW many people were Goths, Valley Girls, Mean Girls, Video Vixens, Metalheads, and hard rockers who got older and now dress conservative, or just like regular business men/soccer moms. It's called maturing/maturity.
You're not a mental health professional for one so you really don't have the credentials to be talking about this or even seemingly labeling ERW or making assumptions on her mental health using clinical terms or references. Two, nowhere in the documentary did her brother state that ERW had a hard time establishing reality from fantasy. I've always been a Marilyn Manson fan, so it's been really difficult to decide who's story is real, but I think it's damaging that you're stating speculation as fact, as evident by the title of your video stating "her lies about Marilyn Manson" when you don't know the truth yourself.
Youre probably right about that. Its just unfortunate for ERW, that any responsible adult knows thats no excuse. What happened to a person as a child doesnt excuse or justify anything a person does as an adult.
@@sole__doubt I’m not sure I’m understanding what you mean. It’s extremely common for children who experienced abuse to have abusive partners in adulthood. If this is the case for her, it’s not her fault. It’s a common experience and result of trauma.
@@alliemarie2005 Yes it is her fault, 100% her fault. When a person becomes an adult they are responsible for the position they are in, period. A persons childhood is the past and it irrelevant when judging an adults behavior.
She was NOT a child but she repeats it all day long. It's the first words out of her mouth. Hi I'm evan and when I met MM, my exfiance, I was an 18 yr old child in a bar. And he groomed me for???? For what Evan? well for nothing really. We were going to get married. (I don't know all of the drama but I know she lived a fantasy life in her head) I fill in blanks when I know more..
I still want to give ERW the benefit of the doubt to a certain extent while also giving MM a fair shake. When I first started watching all the videos about ERW's accusations, I thought of a couple of different scenarios for why ERW made her accusations against MM in which her hurt feelings would still be valid. One possibility I considered was that maybe ERW's hurt feelings from years of narcissistic or other abuse caught up with her and she redirected her accusation at the wrong individual. Perhaps when ERW had her breakdown, her father was quick to blame MM, and maybe ERW went along with it rather than try to fight her father and risk his wrath? I know my narc family member is quick to make assumptions about other people they barely know and is slow to change their opinion once they've already made up their mind about a person. The other men ERW has been with likely would have been too conventional and more to the narc father's taste. It would also explain the more conservative attitude and style that ERW seems to have these days. Maybe she did try to rebel when she was younger, but then regressed in more recent years to please her father? I think it's also possible that ERW maybe didn't like what MM did when they were intimate and just never voiced her negative feelings, thus MM wouldn't have known he was doing anything wrong. If the father is a huge narcissist, it would make sense that ERW would not express her negative feelings until much later because a lot of children of narcissistic parents tend to hide or repress their negative emotions. Only through her therapy was she finally able to express herself more freely. But if she never said anything in the moment, then MM didn't commit SA. These possible scenarios don't exonerate ERW by any means. As an adult, she should still know better.
I think the latter scenario is a real possibility. You have to remember that MM was twice her age, very famous and powerful and she was a young, very infatuated girl. The power dynamic in that relationship was enormously skewed in his direction; he at the very least took advantage of a young girl. Also, she wouldn't have to voice her discomfort during moments of intimacy, he'd be able to tell easily by body language/facial expression before, during and after the fact. Not sure if that would constitute as rape, but it's certainly abusive.
@@jaylee5331 ERW was 18 or 19 when they met. She was hardly a "young girl", more like a young woman. One thing I can't stand is how ADULTS, especially WOMEN are being encouraged to be helpless. Also if she was really uncomfortable, she would have had PLENTY of opportunities to speak up. I really dislike how people nowadays say women don't have to speak up when they are in an uncomfortable situation. In my mind, it sets women up to be taken advantage of by telling them it's okay to be passive in their discomfort and trust that their partner will pick up on how they feel. Also, I don't think it's a question of HAVE TO, as if it's some kind of obligation or chore, it's a matter of self-agency. I don't care how powerful the man is. Women should be free to speak their minds and voice their discomfort regardless, even if it's right in the middle of sex. Also, unless she was actively pushing him away, moving away from him or making a disgusted expression, he might not have picked up on her discomfort. Body language can be ambiguous sometimes. Yeah, he should've asked her how she was feeling in the moment if he was unsure. If he didn't, she should've said something. It's better for a woman to voice her discomfort and leave no room for misunderstanding.
@@DarkLightHuntress This type of reaction/lack of action are common among victims of domestic abuse, be it women or men. Abuse by the hands of a loved one, especially in a romantic relationship, is a deeply confusing experience. You speak of self-agency, and this is precisely what is robbed of them through deep manipulation, gaslighting, love bombing, trauma bonding, etc, etc... You are asking victims to take responsibility for their actions while they were being abused. Are you aware that it is common for sexual abuse victims to have sex with their abuser (personally known by the victim - and majority are) after rape so as to "rewrite" the experience? The way in which victims react commonly does not make sense.
@@jaylee5331 Honestly, I haven't considered an SA victim going back to have sex with their abuser again. It feels wrong. I have been gaslit, love bombed and manipulated by a relative and it confused and scared me for a while. And initially, I did go along with what they wanted me to do (not sex, thankfully), so I do see your point to a certain extent.
There’s a stark difference between her and Amber. Her goal isn’t money, and it’s not fame. She’s far more sincere and she says things that shows bitterness is not her game. She tried to help other DV victims. I believe some of this happened. I believe SHE believes what she is saying. If-IF-it’s not true-something happened to her. Something very bad and she’s projecting that to MM. Bottom line, I’m not convinced he’s not the exact opposite of his stage presence and I’m not convinced she’s not a victim. But-she is a very good actress. At least she’s more convincing than Amber. These people have mental illness. That’s why they make these mistakes.
@@StormyDay Possibly but just so much evidence an eyewitness! Trust me this has been very upsetting to me. I didn't want to believe this about Maryln Manson I was a fan! I think it should go to Trial an innocent person would not be afraid to go there. Crazy thing though is there's a lot of people who say there experience have been horrible including men with him non sexual but just abusive then you have others say he's so nice he's this that! Psopath people can fool others! It's all been sad an disturbing honestly 😢 I was a Fan had a shirt from the 90s I sold it to a youngster though made him happy 😊
Psychedelics can cause one to view sexuality as barbaric, which it is. But at 16 years of age when my bf at the time and I tripped with another couple, this realization on my part was so intense that my bf's barbaric-ness suddenly became gross and this feeling continued for the next few years with him...
During which time I stayed with him even though I felt my love for him had died as a result of this realization. But this view of him did not seem to apply to my view of myself at all. It wasn't that I felt myself to be a child though. It was the fact I felt tied to him even though I also felt this disgust. More later...
That’s fascinating. Was the boyfriend an insensitive and rough lover to begin with that caused this barbaric view of his sexuality? SA is barbaric. Sexuality, primal and/or giving due to romantic feelings or a loving partnership. But this view occurred during a trip? Only bc of the affects of that?
You are so cool. I love psychology and find myself psycho analyzing myself and everyone around me constantly lol. I believe in a soul too. I feel like you’d be so fun to have a deep conversation with.
My default is to believe women, period. I believed Amber. Then I looked at the EVIDENCE and that changed my mind. We have not seen evidence in this case yet. Saying ERW is lying before seeing evidence is the exact reason why folks were worried about the outcome of the depp trial.
Idk man, Forging a document of an fbi department that doesn't even exist, and entering into evidence this doc in her custody battle in court? She seems to live on a pink cloud mentally, that whatever she says or does magically becomes true Possible psychopathy? It'll be interesting to see what comes out in the future.
No one knows what ERW has for evidence. She could be loaded with it. There’s also 16 other women who have their own evidence. There’s witnesses, including former band mates. And there’s no way Johnny Depp didn’t see or hear a lot of things. I’m disgusted he would stoop to being best buds with a sociopath like that.
I believe evan Rachel Wood and its such a shame she won't be believed because not only did her 'friend' lie about awful abuse claims but she also tried to use her stor about manson for her own means to an end by constantly bringing his friendship with JD into the trial. Evan has tried to get the statute of limitations extended so anyone in her situation can prosecute and get justice years after the abuse. Very very different to what Amber Heard has done.
ERW story is interesting and waiting to hear all the facts because the allegations of grooming seems real to me right now. but MM says he has proof for his claims so will wait for all the info.
@@deadarmd really not emotionally invested either way but thanks for the heads up. It doesn't change the fact she's way more believable then Amber Heard is.
@@stinehansen191 have we not just seen Amber Hears display that there is in fact motive to do just that? You're lucky you don't know people like this but some of us do
@@snoozyq9576 the difference is no one else jumped up to join Amber in her accusations of abuse. Where as many people have come forward with accusations against MM how many need to come forward before you see there is possibly a problem there? The more that say they were abused the less likely they are all lying. In fact the way its like amber is that she wanted us to believe she was the only truth teller and all these other people were liars. The larger the number saying there is abuse the harder it is to believe they are all lying.
@@snoozyq9576 Of course Amber had a motive first she was not a celebrity like johnny so by accusing him she was in news papers tabloids and magazines and got super famous also she became the face of DV victims and got to write articles where she was paid good money and finally she got almost immediate revenge because he left her ...
@@snoozyq9576 amber wanted money from the devorce. Plain and simple. She was blackmailing him to pay for the apartment while her and her friends could live there for free. There is also plenty of evidence that she is lying. Like recording, pictures. Her story didnt add up at all. IT is not common that people Lie about things like this. IT is very rare. Just because amber lied about it. I dont belive evan and the other women lied about it.
Just started watching your videos and it's been interesting so far. Just wondering, what's your background in psychology and philosophy? Do you have accredited credentials?
Very interesting insights. I reacted to the genitalia disgust and was thinking, oh, wow. Something is up there. I think there is for sure something from her childhood that has affected her in ways she doesn’t realize
Moral culpability is real. I had a horrible childhood and yet I chose to not be a victim later in life or be a predator. I'm sad about what happened to ERW, but that's no reason to falsely accuse someone of r@pe. It's disrespectful to people who have actually suffered that kind of violation.
Her entire body language in interviews, her lack of eye contact when she speaks, and how she brings up slogans about abuse all the time in her sentences, I can't believe her completely
Right? I kind of felt like she was fake crying ( acting) and it wasn’t a good performance, to me. I thought my god I’m a real a- hole for thinking that but this makes me think my gut feeling was right.
As a 60yr old with 4 sisters and 3 brothers growing up happy. Learned from mags only. When u realize your parents doing it. It almost ruined your thoughts
What gets me about this is how much of our history lies in how we react to our lives, not what happens to us. I can remember times in my life when I was not just encouraged but pushed to turn people in for things they did not do. It seems to be quite common if you look into certain cultures, it is often acceptable to associate regret with the other r word because of an inflated sense of entitlement to commitment and 'intentions' toward us. Strangely enough, this mentality of 'what are your intentions toward so and so' rewriting your whole reputation can actually pair us up with some real creeps. Stating intention is not more powerful than actually providing someone with the freedom to choose you. Sorry for the rant, and i hope it made sense. My determinism might be singular in this social climate.
Growing up acting and playing roles to appease and be accepted can easily turn into playing roles in future relationships. Meaning "I like this person, who do I need to be for them to like me back and for me to be safe with them?" Only, this leads to a long term situation with ongoing adaptation, not only to the current partner but to others as well, over time muddling the water and making the roles increasingly difficult to keep separate, all the while never holding on to who they themselves really are. A continuous search for "who do I need to be in This context, with This person" etc. This is also possibly why friendships and relationships only work for a time, until it becomes too difficult to play all of the roles, and a new set of roles is set up as a way out, a way forward. Just thinking... Hope that makes some sense.
My personal jury is still out on this case, but that’s why I like to consume as much from both sides of the story as I can. I love your philosophical commentary, I love that you still film when you feel like crap without a stitch of makeup on, and bed head from hell. Keep them coming. 😷
Great analysis. New viewer catching up with the Johnny Depp case and watching additional views of yours. Liked, subscribed, and commented for the algorithm.
Depending on one’s upbringing the incorporation of sex in their life can be very scarring during childhood. My earliest experiences really upset me to this day. Even though it was nothing but childhood curiosity.
I don't know if you ever watched her as a teen in Once and Again but she had to play this dark haunted ballerine and she played it so convincingly that when I saw it as a teen myself I was fully convinced that she had had experienced sexual trauma in real life. She could go so dark in her roles. And this was way before Marilyn. When they got together I thought "yeah I could see that cause this chick is messed from early on"
Her claim of being "a minor" when she was an 18 year old adult and also saying "I was just a baby" is also majorly flawed. All you have to do is look at every single relationship she has had and you see how she becomes a chameleon of that partner. BPD staring you right in the face, then narcissism which she will never take responsibility for her actions, but blame for her own behavior. I grew up with BPD and a narcissist, but l also chose very young that l would not be the same kind of person and l have nothing to do with any of them because of the toxicity and abuse they bring with them.
12:45 -- RE: Biology v. Upbringing, Nature v. Nurture -- Small point of order for ya, Col. Kurtz! "Biology" is not the boundary condition for Nature, because some of our biological factors are themselves environmental. *FOR EXAMPLE,* the Mitochondria which get passed down via our Mothers (ie. by the Eggs) is not Nature, but Nurture, even without the mother's conscious involvement.
I find you make a LOT of assumptions and create psychologically imaginative narratives about who Evan Woods is, with little understanding of the effects of trauma. You also avoid discussion of / ignore other evidence against MM including his own words. Many individuals who are neglected/abused as children are much more vulnerable to predators and predators identify them easily. I had little to no knowledge of MM or Evan Woods but when I watch the documentary, she is FAR more plausible than Amber Heard. If Johnny Depp was vulnerable to a narcissist like Amber because he grew up with one, why can't that be true of Evan Wood? Your certainty that she is lying is the point you start from in all your videos. I find the depth of your certainty disturbing.
All the evidence is on Manson Instagram. These women have allready been caught forged fbi documents and impersonated a FBI agent. These women make heard look like a saint.
ERW is lying. That's really not a controversial statement. Numerous examples, from her FAKE FBI letter, to pretending Manson "groomed" her, implying she was a child, etc. She is simply a person with zero credibility.
Sometimes in life we need to go through some bad shit, drug abuse for example, bad employment, bad friends or even people who claim to be lovers that are bad in order to grow and learn. We differentiate what is good for us and what isn’t. Without these negative experiences how would we become stronger and wiser? When it comes to drug abuse - I’ve been through it and came out the other side I think it’s a choice at one point - but it happens when you are READY to let go. And that can mean a lot of different things for a lot of people. When are you ready? When do you have that free will? Does it happen to everyone? Nope. It certainly doesn’t. Sometimes people just aren’t strong enough because they never LEARN from the feelings of the abuse or self abuse which is what drug addiction is. They identify with it instead. Anyway. Great video. 🤟🏼
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Hope you feel better CK!
I really wish more people delved into topics like thease. Its hard to find people who think deep like you. I love how your question everything. And really go into every detail hidden in the corner. You do it beautifully and I thank you for it. I can never get my thoughts out as elegant as you or how I'd like to sound. Thank you!🤗
When did you first start hating other women?
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@@shellyswanner3069 you what now? It has little to do with hating other women, abusers however…
Question: do you find the timing odd? And the fact that AH kept trying to link her ‘abusive’ ex-husband to Manson. It just smells of collusion to me.
And, were they friends? JD is close to MM, so it’s plausible.
@@kristiericson1365 Yeah. As a matter of fact, it came up in trial a couple of times. So much has happened since I listened to the testimony a couple of weeks ago that I legit can't remember what the deal was.
I find Amber's op-ed and ERWs win in the courts is super suspect. They're way close in time
I don’t think collusion but I do think opportunistic for sure
I think that was to make JD look bad in front of the jury because of drugs and hanging out with people like Marilyn Manson. Not saying it was right- but I think it was just a legal tactic against jd. Not so much collusion. But I could be wrong!
My Sister is narcissistic and from a very young child she told extreme lies. She told our mum she was colour blind when she was not and also that she kept being taken to hospital from school.
As an adult she continued her lies, they seemed to give her a sense of power she even enjoyed it when she was found out . She has also accused an ex of being abusive to her when in fact it was her that was abusive and manipulating . Her reason to accuse him was he no longer wanted to be with her. Narcissistic people cant help but invent stories and lies to gain the feeling of power, they are also very good at creating enablers, that is a group of friends or family that thy convince they are the victim in any situation and get the enabler to help them keep up the lie even support it .”Evan Rachel Wood” reminds me a lot of my sister. Her manner and demeanor , the way she goes about things, right down to the same look on her face that I recognize on my sisters face. It is very sad but if Joe public cant recognize a narcissist they can quite easily become an enabler and innocent people can suffer greatly .I now have no contact with my sister ,it was the only way to safe myself
Thank you for sharing your story. For me it is really interesting to hear this from someone who had a narcissistic family member. People probably need to hear more like this from people who experienced something like this, so they can relate it to ERW and understand that she is basically manipulating the whole world at the moment...
Yup. Reminds me so much of my husband’s ex. She was the abuser but would go around claiming victim hood and abuse. Until you get to know someone like this from the point of seeing the lies most people cannot even begin to understand how fraudulent their whole persona is and what could motivate someone to behave that way. They can’t even consider it.
Sadly, I've been surrounded by these people, from my parents to my younger sister and a couple of exes. It led to years of me being meek until I found out that THEY were the abusers who had gaslit me into believing that I was a problem since they'd shout, hit me, cry, and blame me for "hurting" them.
My sister once stole a CD from me and denied it, but I went in her room, found it, and she attacked me demanding for me to give it BACK because she likes the music more than I do and I am not a true alternative music fan--whatever the fuck that is. She then kept hitting me as I blocked her in my doorway and shoved her away before locking the door, she began kicking it and screaming, then not ten minutes later, she starts crying, hits herself a few times, calls her friend, and says that I beat her up and gave her a black eye.
I’m glad for you to have broken through the bullshit and made that realization. I hope you are in a position to separate yourself and continue healing. Sounds like it’s been very difficult for you.
@@judithflom6366 Well, the cycle of abuse often is hard to break out of even if your original abusers are no longer in the picture. I didn't know I was being abused, I just remember feeling like shit because I was "the bad kid" and parents are always right. This is why I couldn't identify abuse in two relationships, and when I finally did, it made future relationships MUCH happier.
Wood and the other accusers don't follow any patterns of abuse I've seen in my own experience or in support groups. Yet, the "experts" on abuse tell me that I know nothing about it. Gee, I don't know, I only have physical scars from it on top of deep-seated mental ones, but sure, I know nothing, and that's why I stand with Manson and ACTUAL victims.
I keep going back to Marilyn Manson was an extremely public figure that had videos, music, pictures, interviews etc that openly portrayed his interests in violence, sex, Natzi images, bondage, drugs etc before Evan met him. There is no way that at 18 to 19 years old, which is an adult, she had no idea who he was and what he was into. She openly started a relationship with him, she stayed in a relationship with him for years, she left him and then went BACK to him and got engaged.
Which she lied about NOT going after HIM. And why does she explictly she was a minor...at every person who listens. 18 is not child. Not even 16. That's just a huge flag and a lie! How many times she going to try have someone agree she was a minor... WHAT A FREAK. her interviews are like audition
Regret revenge is really a thing. Her regret over her own actions, specifically the Hitler pics among other things, speaks louder than her claims.
Especially coz it's very clear she was rebelling her mother when dating Manson.
I think she took the concept of rebelling against her home taught religion from her mom to her Judais.
Seeing Manson's war against Fundamental Right Wing Christian America as inspiration but getting wrong messages from it, threw her own spin on it, but took the idea of the imagery which Mansom took some inspiration from mostly in a militant fashion way, utilized the fear that nazis evoke to make a point in what he was saying. But I think she took that nazi thing literally in her rebellion against her mom, a way which it was never meant to be from Manson.
I think now that she's older and a mother, she's ashamed of that chapter so she's trying to burn it down.
What I find interesting is that she clearly learned some artistic and film influences from Manson and she tries to adopt them as her own ideas or like she naturally found these interests on her own but deep inside she knows these things were something he showed her, and that reminds her of him and she hates that about him .
I think that's a big part of her attempt to destroy him.
@@Sindollx666x Tbh, I'm a Christian, but I'm definitely not an idiot. I don't believe her for a second.
@@Sindollx666x thanks for sharing - all rings true and makes sense to me!
Yes. It actually makes sense...even in my own life...I regret alot of things. But I dont bend the truth and have to accept that it was my own actions. Accountability is a bitch.....
@@lsfitz3517 I like you
I wouldn't necessarily call her an A-lister. She's been onscreen with A-listers, but she's not first choice nor the one who rakes in the money in Hollywood blockbusters. She's no Leo, Pacino, Hopkins, Streep, Winslet, Jolie, etc. Yes she's played the protagonist but like you said, it's been mainly in indie films or just films/projects that are forgotten. Her blaming MM for her past behavior and choices is a great way to get back on top at the expense of someone else. Let's blame MM so that I'm now taken more serious as a person and as an actor.
I agree. Evan's NO A-Lister. However, she's a successful, working actress. The same cannot be said of Amber Heard...
Same. Literally no one knows her outside of US and most people in US who know her, know her because of dating Manson or the movie Thirteen which she acted in when she was 15 and has recently got trending because of TikTok
The compulsion to lie for a personality disordered person is much more emotional and power tripping than a calculated career move. She got someone to make a whole documentary about HER based on the lies. It’s feeding the ego.
It's sad and wrong, but Hollywood doesn't have much use for lead actresses older than 35 or so. Even A-list women who were huge box office draws start getting typecast in small "Stepmom" or "School Teacher" roles.
I'm not sure of Evan's motives and I'm just speculating, but incorporating activism into her celebrity brand to maintain career relevance is definitely a possible motive
Oh yeah because nothing like this ever fuckin happens do it!
I'm undecided on this particular case as I haven't seen all the evidence, but what I have heard/learned is enough to make me pause judging & delve deeper into questioning & analyzing. I think your points about programming are not only fascinating, but extremely important- what kind of culture have our forebearers created & why & which parts do we now need to mull over & collectively decide to discard or continue?
One of those cultural norms we need to look at again is the one that encourages men to look at young, mid- late pubescent women as desirable partners- no matter the age of the men. And what roles do capital & power accumulation play? Entire industries are built on this once biologically sound view & it deeply affects every human on the planet in a decidedly unhealthy way at this stage of human/societal development. It's part of why ERW & others like her have their childhoods taken or drastically shortened & why men like MM (&JD to an extent) thought it was appropriate, or even normal since it is so encouraged, to engage in such emotionally fraught & experientially imbalanced relationships in the first place.
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Exactly. I am not fully decided because I haven't seen all the evidence, I knew ah was a liar from the jump. Ibdont particularly like ERW she always seemed a bit of a self possessed snot. But watching her testify before congress before she named her abuser and then watching Phoenix rising, while I disagreed with some of her framing I found her fairly believable. The sheer number of accusers and the few men from his tours who have said they are being truthful he saw it gives me pause to think that there is truth behind it all. MM is problematic. His push against societal norms while they don't bother me nor does his appearance at all, even a bdsm lifestyle doesn't shock or bother me. But he certainly set himself up to not be believed, his violent behaviors. His memoir the sheer number of accusers and the problematic push to date women who are barely adult women lends him to being questionable. Like beloved Bill Cosby, how many women had to come forward before our society went hey maybe this is a problem here. And I agree we have to ask why we normalize men seeking out barely out of puberty partners. Think of all the stories and songs you know about men seeking out young girls that were chart toppers. We have alot that needs to be looked deeply at.
One man admitted he seen nothing,just heard gossip. Other one just says its all true. That's it. He got sacked after only playing twice with Manson so is disgruntled on top of it.
As someone with a psychology background, and who grew up in a house with at least one narc, yes! Thank you!
Also, the free will thing… we are programmed so if we live unconsciously, without self reflection, we won’t change. We need to become super conscious and try to change our choices each moment to almost reprogram ourselves!
One more thought! I’m a Buddhist and we believe that technically we do choose these lives, based on what we need to accomplish to change our karma, and we are very karmically tied to our families.
You're bad at Buddhism and psychology.
Evan rachel: " love me hate me but never ignore me." Marilyn was his most famous ex and wanted to become an activist with the most press to try to further her carreer. It worked amazingly for amber for a while so she copied ambers stunt.
MM:" Rather be your victim than be with you!"🎶
I have no personal experience with this but I keep tabs on an ERW thread on a lesbian website and there is a lot of bias against women who call themselves bi. ERW has whined about this many times as well. They seem to regard bi women as 1) straight women who want to seem edgy and experiment and will eventually end up with men or 2) crazy, avoid at all costs.
I just got done watching Phoenix Rising. I'm riled up and conflicted.
Sounds like Amber Turd's sister lol
My thoughts exactly.
Evan tries really hard to paint her childhood as being abusive, troubled and traumatic but nothing she brings up about her upbringing in the documentary sounds like it warrants that . She says her parents argued and 'yelled at eachother' sometimes. Um, that's something that occurs at one time or another in nearly every household Evan, it certainly did in mine and friends of mine. And also that her parents got divorced - again, shake hands with half the rest of the world. Apart from her getting into acting pretty young and going to auditions and shoots etc - her childhood and family background kinda sounded completely normal and average??
Trauma occurs because of the feeling of terror, not because of specific situations that other people think as "trauma worthy". Children think and feel in ways that doesn't obey any single rule or logic.
A child can be traumatized as an infant, if their parent behaves in scary ways, even though the parents might not understand they're doing anything wrong. For example, the blank face-experiment shows that even a parent just staring at the infant with a blank face makes them extremely distressed.
If someones parent is narcissistic, or has any other social difficulties due to personality disorders, its improbable that the child survives without some kind of trauma, simple or complex, if the child has sensitivity to traumatization.
She is a liar!
@@fiikahlo well said
That may have been her problem, too ordinary, run-of-the-mill, even . . . mundane.
There are 7 over us in my family, 5 girls, 2 boys. We are very different on our views of our childhood. Just like witnessing a crime, every viewpoint of 7 witnesses is gonna be different in description but carry different weights. I can give you an example, ask all 7 of us what was Xmas like in our household and though the same thing happened in front of all of us we each describe it differently. We did not celebrate Xmas and there is 1 sister that found it tragic and hated my mom for the longest, even though we got gifts most of the year cause my mom wanted to show appreciation for us being good kids. To this day, it is a tragedy to her. Why? She will say cause we didn't get gifts. And we think she is nuts. To me it is more perspective then just nurture or nature.
ERW always gave me the creeps. When watching her in interviews I would say “she’s always ON”, nothing seems genuine. She’s talented and beautiful but she just seems like she’s always lieing, always changing, she’s a creep
Same feelings here
I find your analysis and your attitude so refreshing Colonel Kurtz, it's always interesting to listen to you. I don't believe we have free will, but we do have some sense of choice. I would love to listen to your perspective on the subject of free will and choice. Thank you kindly.
She is not in a position to diagnose anyone. She has NO psychiatric experience.
Can you expand on us not having a free will?
Some people can quit drugs no problem. Others can't no matter how hard or how many times they try to quit. Empathy is really lacking in this world.
I say this everyday. It's becoming less and less. It's very sad.
Unless you are Johnny Depp, empathy is keen. And hang onto his every word as golden.
Geneticists have proven that there are genes that people can have activated that make addiction a much bigger danger, making the first try of something extremely likely to create a problem, and we aren't automatically aware of our genetic makeup to make those choices before it's too late. Just because one person finds it easy to try a drug and move on it doesn't make that the only experience for everyone else. Empathy really is in such short supply.
@@Wraiven22 So very true.
@@forpeace1580 unless you are rich*
Drugs are classist issue. When the rich does them, they are either trying to have fun or self medicate. When the absolute poorest do them they are also thieves, prostitutes, murderers, rapists and everything else. It wasn't about Johnny, it was about MONEY
Excellent discussion! I have been pondering ALL of this most of my life, and especially recently. My husband is an alcoholic, and seems truly unable to take the "exit ramp", based on how young he was when this started, his strong genetic predisposition as part Native American, and the severe abuse he suffered as a child. It's heart-wrenching.
Because of his history, it makes me feel torn over leaving or staying. And then i wonder why I've stayed for 26 years and what that says about me and my own pathology. And now I'm stuck in my thoughts on a meta level. Internal scream.
❤️
Stay. Its not his fault his childhood sucks. Just have demands on him
Look into The Sinclair Method
Thank you for your videos queen, even when you arent feeling the best. I hope you feel better soon. Can’t wait for those upcoming interviews :)
May 2007
Wood starred in Manson's racy music video for his 2007 single "Heart-Shaped Glasses (When the Heart Guides the Hand)," which faced plenty of backlash at the time for its NSFW imagery. "At the end of the video, we're kissing and it's raining blood - and for me, that was one of the most romantic moments of my entire life," Wood told GQ months after the video's premiere. Its hard to believe Evan.2007 she was saying..it was one the most romantic moments of her life..and many years later she accuse him of rape????Shes so strange
He gave her drugs without her consent, sometimes when victims are not ready to accept what happened to them and the public shame they denied or justify what happened, or denied it was in fact rape and after therapy they are able to face something as traumatic as this.
I think she is surrounded y others that more or less is pushing this forward. ERW has a dark side and this seems like her way to distance herself from it. MM is the perfect person to “hate”, he’s no saint but like with JD they are innocent til proven guilty.
When it comes to addiction there are people that just can’t stop, it’s in their biology before and after.
When several women have to be “coached” into “remembering” their trauma something don’t add up. childhood trauma and feelings should not be in the case against her relationship with MM. Maybe there is something there that wasn’t dealt with and she’s “projecting” this? That might be a reason to she seems more believable than example AH, there is something but maybe not him?
Well I’m speculating but all in all the truth will out.
@@angelaggarrido7816 YOU HAVE NO PROOF. HAVE YOU SEEN BEHIND SCENES??? SHES PERFECTLY FINE! SHES IS A FREAK WITH A SON AND PROBLEMS so uh oh. Theyre gonna see my video debut. Blood, me enjoying it. Her son has a Dad. Now a circle of gay women. Is it ok he prob thinking bcuz she's lying and saying it's fear of Manson whose in his bed with his wife (wink wink not to bright there Ev. )
@@angelaggarrido7816All that psychobabble aside, ERW was a willing ; enthusiastic participant in the HSG video shoot, as attested to be eitnesses, & in ERW's own words. It was only years later, when it suited her grifty agenda of the day, that she announced retrospectively, & deceitfully, that she'd been rapped. A few years in jail might sort her out.
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It’s hard to put my feelings about her into words but to put it simply, I’ve always gotten strange vibes from ERW. Even prior to all this controversy.
Also - your analysis of the brothers remark is spot on.
I was underage... The view - silence.. I mean so much older, grooming me. Lol
I wholeheartedly agreed with the jury’s decision in the Depp case. But this is very different. Let’s wait for all the evidence to come out before taking any sides.
Right? This is lame and so biased ... Moving on
Agreed. So far ERW is coming across as more credible than AH, in my opinion. Like you say, let's see what evidence there is.
I'm also feeling this may be different. But hey prove me wrong. Let's not jump to Manson's defense just bcos this situation is similar to the Depp v Heard.
I prefer to believe 16 women, other women who had a slight assault like videotaping under a women’s skirts with a GoPro that was said by a stage hand he does it all time, dozens of witnesses. I bet there’s a ton of evidence. There’s tons of witnesses. Even Warner’s exes are supporting Evan. He’s also admitted to many grotesque things.
you just made the point - she made a conscious decision to pick a target, engage other actors in the endeavor and basked in the spotlight. i grew up with 2 narcissist parents but I choose not to follow the example i saw every day of my childhood.
I agree. I had a Narc mum. However we don't know that NPD isn't genetic. NParents have kids without NPD. I would never forgive or justify my NMs behaviour and abuse, because I still believe in free will and being able to know right from wrong....but I have a conscience...and empathy...and remorse...My NM doesn't...so it follows that it's easier for me to not act like an AH.
I agree. I had a Narc mum. However we don't know that NPD isn't genetic. NParents have kids without NPD. I would never forgive or justify my NMs behaviour and abuse, because I still believe in free will and being able to know right from wrong....but I have a conscience...and empathy...and remorse...My NM doesn't...so it follows that it's easier for me to not act like an AH.
@@LusciousTwinkle Lola: If you have empathy and remorse, you most likely are not a Narcissist.
When a child grows up with two parents this way surprisingly the opposite can happen. 💯
@@LusciousTwinkle There could even be an autistic aspect.
🗣 *ERW legal team will definitely use this tailor made excuse of “I acted this way because!”*
*Then sprinkle with emotive buzzwords like ‘narcissistic Father’ ‘domestic abuse’ etc!*
*I hope this Judge sees through this farce*
*Excellent analysis as per usual Colonel!* 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Her father should be in prison
I can see ERW is a Narcissist herself. I guess her upbringing also created her to be one, but Narcissism is coddled and pampered and even encouraged in this day and age. Maybe it always has been to a degree, but especially now. But I think her violent protest and protection of her image is part of her Narcissism and she is willing to use MM as a shield to protect that image she has re-created. IG I think is the linchpin in this endeavor, frame job, and without her I don't think it would have happened. Again IG is also a garden variety Narcissist who is known to do extreme and malicious acts to gain attention and notoriety to her "art" and would be drawn to ERW celebrity. And by this time ERW would be so embarrassed at her behavior when she was dating a rock star that the only way she felt like she could explain it away was to blame MM and make him into the monster that forced her to do all these things she is ashamed of. Just admitting she was a young adult who was finding herself and experimenting wasn't enough, the truth isn't satisfactory here because she can't use that as a launchpad for this era of her career. She needs a survivor story to get the clout and accolades that gets to take a ride on the Me Too movement.
That's a very fascinating viewpoint, like an actor trying to develop a more compelling backstory for their character.
@@maam-yj8ph Exactly! Manson is disposable to her, and also an easy target. He spent years creating this image for himself. He did most of the work for her.
I think you comparing this to Amber Heard is absolutely ridiculous. You have Manson himself who openly spoke in his book about abusing his female partners. He even refers to having his fathers’s temper. He spoke in interviews about his fantasies of killing Evan. I’ve yet to see this “evidence” that she’s lying.
He also mentioned beastiality in his book which really made me go wtf? I was on the fence with Evan until I watched her docu, but now I absolutely believe she is telling the truth, and she's not alone either. Unfortunately people have a hard time spotting predators, which is also a reason why abuse happens in the first place. Amber is a predator, and so is Manson. Those two should move to a desert island together and leave others alone.
His autobiography is grotesque and sickening, you just have to read it to know why what happened to ERW and the other women was no surprise to many people
Check Manson Instagram he posted all of his evidence online months ago now. Wood and her GF have allready been caught lying. Also woods gf has fled the country now.
FAKE FBI LETTER
I get excited when you post.
I don't think it goes as deep as this at all. I think it's a very basic play for money and notoriety. I think what you see in PR is 99%BS to persuade the audience that she's a victim. Shes from a very toxic community and in keeping with the recent Social Justice culture growth, it's not enough just to be an actress. The main roles will be drying up soon and being a saintly advocate for DV female victims is very attractive to her. She can milk that for years. I don't even thinks she regrets being the wildchild gf of MM. I do think she has probably been a very abusive partner in every one of her relationships and wants a way to erase or justify that. If she came out suddenly as a spokesperson for abuse, some of her past partners could call her out. By accusing MM and painting herself as a victim she makes that very difficult for them to speak the truth....they would be "victim blamers". Ergo she's just an antisocial person who doesn't gaf as long as she get money, power and fame in the way she wants it. I don't think she has a better or worse relationship with reality v fantasy than any other Narc in Hollywood.
@colonelkurtz just stumbled upon your channel ( really getting into lawtube) and loving your perspectives on true moral culpability!! Really fascinating!!
She’s immoral. That means you are too if you believe all her so-called facts and diagnoses.
Karen Rachel Wood has some sucsess as an actress, but I would not call her "an A-lister"
Why not? She's not a 'B lister,' though she deserves to be
See crazy days and nights guide to designating people. She’s B list. Probably B plus. I have seen her listed as B+ but with A list name recognition. A list is scarlet Johansson or Angelina Jolie who can anchor big budget movie and draw in crowds. It’s not indicative of acting quality where I would give her an A-
She was a child actress ... She hasn't starred in a movie .. Nicole Kidman is an A list actor
Third rate actress at best.
I wouldn’t call her an a lister but I wouldn’t put her in Amber heard territory either.
I was curious about Evan Rachel wood in the beginning, but half way through the video I started questioning my own existence…
I have sent you a tip on paypal. I am so impressed with your level of insight and your psychological assessments; they are so interesting. Really appreciate your content.
I’m shocked so many people think Evan is the next Amber Heard or acting like her. Evan was famous in her own right before she even met Manson. I grew up being a huge fan of BOTH Manson and Evan.
With Amber the way she talked about the “abuse” was so cringy and it was so apparent she was lying. I do not get that vibe with Evan at all. With everything I’ve read and watched, my mind goes to her being truthful. Or at least 1,000 percent more truthful than Amber. But I love to listen to other people’s opinions and hearing another side to how I feel…
I agree completely. I've always loved metal, and MM's image has never bothered me. My feeling is Evan is truthful, what she says sounds too much like the vibes I got from his autobiography, which was worrysome. Also, Evan is not alone, other women claim they have experienced similar, and a guy who toured with Manson confirms her story, what was his name? While Amber is somehow the only woman JD abused? There's no similarity here what I see.
@@coldwhitespring5004 I feel the same. More than 1 woman has come out and accused Manson. It is more difficult to believe Manson than Johnny.
@@denisedevoto2834 SIXTEEN accusers in total. That can't be ignored.
@Jade Petras So the other women are also better actresses then?
I agree 💯 . Amber was a completely different case, I don’t get that vibe from Evan at all. It’s possible for someone to lie about or forge a letter and still be a victim. Let’s not forget that MM had scarred his mother’s face and said that he didn’t regret doing it, apart from the many utterly reprehensible things he has said. MM is not Johnny and amber is not Evans just because they are friends. People can be different in different relationships. Let’s not forget that MM has had many accusations over the years - so many people can’t be liars.
I admit I am biased on this one after watching the documentary Phoenix Rising on HBO. Right now I admit I believe her! Yet I believed Johnny in his case which is very different imo.
I don’t understand what the proof is that she’s lying about being abused…is there no proof that she was abused either?
I belive evan. 4 people have Come forward about being abused by mm. 3 exes of mm. And a former assistent. And also a tour worker has Come forward telling that they are not lying. I dont think all those people would Just Come out and Lie. Were is the motive in that. I belive evan and the women. IT was very different with amber. There was No other women Who came forward telling that jd was an abuser.
@@stinehansen191 do more research then. One of them has already been dropped BTW, the assistant
@@stinehansen191 right. I’m so sick of this chic trying to make this another Amber heard situation. There was grooming. Fact. 18 and he was all over her!
This channel is part of the smear campaign, possibly paid by Manson's team.
@@snoozyq9576 it is super rare for people to acuse of abuse. In the amber/jd case she had a motive. She wanted to still live in Penthouses with her friends rent free and get money. She had to acuse him of abuse to get that. In evans case there is No motive at all. And there are several other women acusing him of abuse too. I dont belive they are all lying. Just because one women lied about abuse, we shouldnt atomaticly think every woman is. That is redicloius
Hope you feel better soon❤️
Thanks for the video and a very interesting subject about free will 👍🏻
Very interesting. Thank you so much Colonel! Get well soon💕
Thanks again for this! Get well soon❤
You are beyond wise. I love hearing what you have to say. Definitely special 💜
I’m also super curious as to why her other brothers opted not to participate in the documentary. Also I think Evan’s mom is more likely the narcissist and slandering the dad.
Her mom seems to be super aggressive. She speaks in such a furious way ...
Think of what a high it is for these narc parents to be in the spotlight for their daughter’s documentary. It sounds like she never accused Mm of these severe abuse when she was with him to her parents and now they are playing hero’s who she turned to in time of need. They will say anything to have that spotlight now. That’s what they raised their daughter for.
@@judithflom6366 ok again anyone explain Disney with mommy n daddy. And MM
Hello i'm french and love your points of views. Very interesting and original in the context. Inspiring too !!
The thing about a poseur is...
I really don't know how many of Mansons fans "live the lifestyle".
He's the probably the most mainstream artist I enjoy or follow.
He went mainstream long enough ago that even being his fan in some subcultures will cause a conversation about "selling out" and "real art" in any group of goths or metalheads, metal musicians ect.
And "poseur" is a childish slang we mostly put down after highschool. But...
The "subcultures of darkness" tho... We've always had a problem with poseurs.
People attracted to the aesthetic and the mainstream stereotypes of what outsiders *think* its like to be us.
These folks are usually just acting out over something else. It is just a "dark phase" for them, and later they have a lot of regrets...
They didn't figure out who they were and become themselves more, they just tried to pretend to be something to get attention.
Discovering these subcultures is a very positive, fulfilling, comforting event for most of the people who decide to dive in and live inside them.
But, for a very few people its a mistake they make because they don't understand themselves or can't be really honest about who they are. They can't understand that not everyone is just putting on a show for other people, some people are just being themselves. It's not being edgy; it's bare naked, self exposing honesty with a community who can accept and understand that some of us are just really dark, even before age 6...
Anyway, she has the standard poseur "goth phase regret" energy going. If you know a real live goth, just ask them about it. Every goth knows someone who "used to be goth" and now tries to pretend that part of them never happened or it was all someone elses "fault"...
True! Nice perspective
I thoroughly enjoyed my “goth phase” in High School, by that I mean clothing and makeup, and in the early 2000’s if you were Goth you were listening to MM, you had read his book many times, it was a group, you could easily identify a fellow Goth and you had a bond on many levels. I no longer outwardly present as Goth, I don’t dress the way I did back then, I still have and cherish all of my band tees from that time and I still listen to the music (just not in the car with my 6 year old) 😅 but I remember that time of my life fondly, and would never change it if I could. It is a big part of what shaped me into the person I am along with all of the other parts in my journey good and bad, but being Goth was never “bad”, but I can see why some might regret having that phase or want to blame someone for what they consider a mistake.
I can't relate to "Goth" or your lifestyles that were exemplified by MM; he is a disgusting figure for young people who feel like they are outcasts. There are other remedies besides "going dark". People need to practice kindness and I never saw that through MM.
@@valerieetter5013
I think you're seeing the whole concept of Goth/metal lifestyles inside out and upside down. That's probably why you are having trouble empathizing with the culture. If you do not understand something you will not understand the people who do. Ignorance is the antithesis of empathy.
@@G0thFarmer But the person is right; people within the "goth" lifestyle were outcasts that simply found a place to belong.
Unfortunately - for some - they failed to find safety and comfort, instead were pressured into drug abuse, sexual promiscuity and self harm/violence. This is not uncommon, many subcultures are prime targets for abusers.
As always; great video, and beautifully put!
Just because amber is lying doesn't mean even is 🙄
Who is even ? Geesh....
@@erin.v.m657 lol calm down. Evan geesh
@@hrumi8748 ..no need to get all snippy because you can't spell. Good grief.
@@erin.v.m657 no need to get all excited because of a typo. Dear me.
@@hrumi8748 ...I'm not exactly excited. But okay.
In this case I don't think 14 women from different backgrounds are lying about something so serious, besides that they actually fought for a good cause, which was to extend the statue of limitations.
Totally agree
It's only Evan, Esme, 2 Ashley's, & Sarah. Everyone else said he just made a bad joke.
Love your thoughtful and intelligent examination of these topics! You are a breath of fresh air :)
Love all your videos. I agree w you your ideas and have all the same thoughts and sure does make me feel better to know I’m not the only one.
I think this case is so different than the JD-AH case. I truly believe Evan and I think we should be careful to look at each case uniquely. MM is trying to claim he’s a victim of a hoax similar to JD, but the evidence does not point in that direction at all.
It actually might though... apparently Evan and her girlfriend forged a letter purportedly by the FBI which is seemingly supported by a text sent between them drafting the letter, the heading of the letter not belonging to an actual department and the agent who is alleged to have written it denying having done so... that alone to me lends credibility to the possibility that it could all be a hoax that is even more elaborate than Amber's. Also, we've heard from at least 3 of his ex-partners now that he was never abusive and that these accusations do not fit with the person they knew, most notably from Dita von Teese who was with him for 7 years. She could at the very least be exaggerating if not the more sinister possibility that this is some kind of revenge and a result of her having personality disorders like Amber.
Exactly!!! I wholeheartedly believe Evan! Totally different from the Depp /Heard case . Evan has so much consistency
@@AlexandraOrzechowski yes!! Not to mention MM has been sued for sexual assault 4 times prior to this case by other women! And there’s footage of him bragging about emotionally abusing Evan by cutting himself hundreds of times, one for each time she ignored his calls when she left him!
@@AlexandraOrzechowski and also that he has fantasies about smashing her head in w a sledgehammer … a little tough to defend him after seeing some of that stuff 😖
Actually, he does have evidence.
I watched her show Phoenix Rising and it looks very credible. She was the 1st but not the only person who filed against Marilyn Manson.
The movie made it less credible to me. His previous women have stated categorically that nothing happened to them.
Yet, the movie tries to make it seem like he has always treated women that way. That’s dishonest.
Manson: Accused by 16, sued by half a dozen.
Depp: Accused by 1, sued by half a dozen.
Who has a pattern of abuse? hmm.
Yeah excactly. I belive the women in mm case. 16 women Will not Lie about something like that. What is the motive.
@@stinehansen191 it’s 4 not 16 idk if it’s true or not that he did something to her but you should read the lawsuit for context
@@ichig0tchi 16 came forward but due to legal factors as the statue of limitations some of them are not able to take legal action anymore
Depp is not sued by half a dozen…
I may be wrong but no one remembered she existed until she came up with acusing MM
She’s been nominated for Emmys and is taken very seriously on the indie circuit.
She’s definitely A LIST and has a hugely successful career in her own right. The pathology from being raised by a parent narcissistic personality disorder and the misdirection of her childhood emotional abuse and neglect! Her dad should be in prison
Ya, you’re wrong. I consider “King of California” one of the best and I think about it often. This is so disgusting that you all think she is doing this for attention. Manson is clearly and admittedly an abuser.
All you have to do is read parts of that book that Marilyn Manson wrote. He eludes to exactly what he will do if given the chance in those chapters.
@@JennySieck you are the few voices of reason on these comment sections. He confessed to these crimes already in his book
What seems likely:
ERWood, now successful, looks back and feels not only regret, but a deep hatred and resentment for Manson. To spare or at least offset her own self-loathing, to escape owning her own mistakes, she will stop at nothing to destroy Manson.
Manson truly could’ve been manipulative, a jerk, an addict, and yet still the victim of a current injustice compared to Wood’s perceived prior injustices.
Thats it.
YES!!! I just searched "Evan Rachel Wood" here on YT for the last week and your video was SECOND!!! Thats amazing! Well done!
What makes you so sure? This case is completely different from AH. The way she talks about her abuse, the specifics of it, her body language is all really believable. And on the other side, MM has so many red flags. Violence against the people around him whether it's his mum or throwing a mic at someone, this shows that to him violence is the answer to problems. Not to mention he's shown that he doesn't take consent seriously (kissing a guy who has since complained during a show). He's admitted in his book of some red flags and interviews for example calling ERW 158 times and because she wasn't picking up. He admitted to cutting himself on purpose to show her that SHE was hurting him. (classic abuse tactic) Even if you try to discredit one person, there are also 11 other women out there with different stories with the same pattern all accusing him of abuse. I understand that people love his music and him but at the end of the day, he has deep-seated issues and shouldn't be allowed a free pass to put others through hell.
Nico, I so agree!
But there are no scars on his face. Said he cut his hands and face. His book was exaggerated.
Yeah why would so many women Come together to make up such a Lie? The case is totally different. I belive that mm is an abuser. I belive evan and the women in this case. The jd case was very different
@@stinehansen191 why would so many women lie? Simple money
@@NeloBladeOfRanni you really think 12 women, Who doesnt know eachother, would make up a Lie like this for money? Yeah that sounds weird to me. Abuse is not something that is common to Lie about, Just because amber did it.
💙 TU Colonel ,you make sense ,hope you feel better soon
“If I were a psychoanalyst”, but you’re not. You’re speculating which is incredibly harmful, and it’s clear to those of us who ARE in this field that you only have a hobbyist, self-help level of understanding of psychology. You throw the term “Freudian” around as a buzzword, and this video is full of speculative psychobabble.
That's what I think too, it's very harmful to just throw out words like hoax etc
Natasha, agreed.. we'll said!
Please stop putting Colonel Kurtz. You are already going to be embarrased at defending AMBER HEARD 2.0.
@@4EverGoth How about you go somewhere else then. There is nothing I can't stand more than people telling other people to quit talking about a subject. Who goes beyond misinformation? I didn't see anything like that in this video.
I’m pretty sure she’s a professor of psychology man, where is the line drawn between what you are certified to be an expert on and what you are not?
This makes sense. It explains a lot. She made similar accusations against JB. If you are right, any time she would actually have intercourse the childhood trauma of her first time with a much older man against her will on film would completely obfuscate any normal and genuine emotional acceptance and even happiness. Her inability to interpret real from fantasy as a coping method to trauma actually lines up. Even her relationship with a same sex partner is in jeopardy.
I have often wondered about this in regards to AH as well. Her traumatic childhood is well known. It is documented that adults who have suffered abuse and trauma often seek out relationships and situations that repeat or shadow in similarity so they can as an adult, heal their inner child. More often than not this response actually repeats the trauma and starts another generation of abuse.
Good discussion. Thank you.
Her parents were narcissistic abusers and drove her pathological
I totally agree with you!
She was dating Edward Norton when she was 16 and had made a movie at 13. SHE WAS NOT A CHILD.
What accusations against JB? I can’t find anything online that references that.
@@kmigdon she says he's also a narcissist. And kidnapping their kid with a fake FBI letter that as of yesterday has been confirmed as a fake, done by Evan and her ex gf
As a mental health counselor, I would appreciate you keeping your nose out of things you completely misunderstand.
Thank you for saying that. !!
But you could be another Speigal - not all counsellors have the answers
@@100Mickl I am far more qualified than the creator.
I’ll argue that the comment her brother made could work toward her. She was unable to see her and Mansons relationship for what it really was. A 35 yr old preying on a 18 yr old. She believed everything he told her.
*Edit: the brother didn’t say that exactly.
She was 18 and he was 37 the age difference is 19 years. He was already and individual that wrote a lot about using and abusing people etc I don't think anyone at 18 is trained to deal with a manipulative abusive partner double their age. In fact many many adults in relationships with abusive individuals will say they did things because they were manipulated and used by their partner
@@angelaggarrido7816 girl bye she was a adult she chose to date a man way older than her.
@@NeloBladeOfRanni Yes she did I'm not denying that, but is it normal that a 37 year old dates a girl her age ? No ! Must of guys that age wouldn't dare! besides that did you know our brain is not fully developed until mid twenties, which puts an advantage on him and ultimately she had no experience at that time and he lets be honest, HE had a fetiche for control, dominance and manipulation if (like I said in another comment) you have not read his disgusting book, do it.
Don't trust my words but the disgusting thing he wrote and open your eyes.
18 is not a child in any way shape or form. She was an adult and had full awareness of what she was doing.
@@angelaggarrido7816 LOL No older men don't get divorced and get with younger women in their early 20s at all (sarcasm). And early 20s is not a child either. You're developed more than enough by that age to know right from wrong. Unless she was mentally handicapped.
I definitely know the feeling of being overcome with the feeling of disgust to my body especially down there. I can actually say that it greatly explains my addiction/alcoholism for 15 years because i couldn't have intimacy without numbing myself completely. And i absolutely did experience SA as a child and as a teenager and it continued well into my adult years also. I don't know if the disgust was due to being repeatedly traumatized however i know it didn't help it. I grew up in a very super sexualized and dysfunctional home. I still struggle with it but i struggle with body dysmorphia in general anyways. Ive been recovered now for 5 years and it has been such a beautiful blessing but it took atleast 3 years for me to even be able to ponder a relationship. Im not bisexual but did date a girl i felt I was in love with but we were completely celibate. I however loved her enough to be able to let go. I've been with a man now, older, and not that i enjoy when he talks about it it cam be uncomfortable when he says its beautiful or other compliments...i can feel that inner voice. Im really glad you brought up both topics today ♡
I find it wildly inappropriate for you to assign a diagnosis here. What is your aim ?
Colonel, I have experienced mixed feelings and have had opinions about some of your dialogue/takes on this controversy- I have found myself conflicted as someone who hopes for accountability, has a preference for TRUTH, as a person whose sense of compassion and empathy is quite eNcompassing, YET.. isn’t encouraging this rise of victim identity [*as pertained to women…] that we are both critical about.
(I realize I write run-on sentences, I hope I can be understood.)
I don’t express myself in RUclips comments often but this work you have been doing has been important to me.
What I didn’t mention in regards to my internal conflict is that
I have attributed a lot of who I am and what I believe to the influence of Marilyn Manson. Obsessed with him and his music in my early adolescence (around the year 2006) through my teenage years and early adulthood, I have seen him live and up close several times, had the dream to meet and touch him all because of the philosophical and moral ways he influenced me to think and view people and the world, etc.
I even waited until I learned to let go or ease the feeling of him being an idol to me, to pay for a meet and greet with the man himself just a couple of years ago (2018.) And make that dream of mine come true.
I am not letting the allegations taint that journey and event for me. But I continue to look back on it all more cautiously and critically. And the experiences and perspectives you bring to this arena are instrumental to that.
Whew, I did not plan to write so much and I am hesitant to read it and annoy myself with it. Like what was my point? This is the only space where this THING so close to me is being discussed in a manner where I can share my feelings about it openly (whereas anywhere else it would be victim vs abuser discussion, end of story) And I’ve been wanting to say something for so long.
It is BECAUSE of all that about myself that I found this to be one of your most important videos and best commentary on this situation/saga. To me it is important to be critical while also communicating an understanding and empathy with varying human experiences. And this commentary showed you doing that. And I commend you for it.
Thank you for sharing. Though critical, I am appreciating the space and work. Hope you feel better soon..
Thank you for opening my eyes from your prospective, your personal experience. Hope you feel better soon. Hugs
I love this analogy. I watched first part and her mother seemed like “oh I don’t know how that happened” Yet ERW was exposed to acting since she was 14 and both parents supported it and let her be on her own in adult world.She went to Chateau Marmont hotel in LA at 18?? Just randomly popped over and met MM by chance? Which 18yr old goes to expensive hotel and hangs there randomly? ERW was exposed to adult world too early and repeatedly states “I was only 18” and was groomed etc. she might realized later on that it was wrong to be going out with much older person and angry with him but making up rape and other allegations went too far.
I think she said she was acting since she was 5yo. Or got a sag card when she was 5yo. And most teenagers go to clubs, that part is not really surprising.
But honestly I think it was wrong for an 37 year old guy to be with a barely legal 18 year old girl, the age difference is often a factor in Manipulation, I think she was groomed by Manson
Julia, I didn't copy you, it's just great minds lol.
Well she went against her dad in her mind..
"I'm such a good girl." What does that get her. I mean straight up lied I hear. And she went back to MM and engaged bcuz it's her persona now. And you cannot blame MM for going out with her. She had a choice and MM wanted to Marry her. That's far from GROOMING. So for some reason she has to lie or then she has to tell everyone she wanted ALL of everything she went thru and now feels guilt and dirty and I feel bad for her in that aspect BUT NOT FOR ACCUSATIONS AND TRYING TO GET OTHERS SO SHE CAN Be - see it's not just me.. She's a head case and MM Should make her go thru an intense eval!
I've never heard of Evan Rachel Wood until this week.
I didn't watch the documentary and do not know the detail in this case and I have never even remotely been a MM fan (I am not a fan of Shock artists), but when I 1st heard about the allegations, I rolled my eyes because of Evan's mannerisms and dress and way she presented herself was a total 180. It almost felt like she was playing Dolories Abernathy. One has to wonder if certain actresses do carry their characters with them and develop multi-personality disorders. Pretty Persuasion is one of her earlier movies where she plays a HS teen falsely accusing her teacher of sexual misconduct. The fact that she presents herself in such a conservative manner in these rounds of interviews (View, Drew, Trevor Noah) makes me thinks she is trying to distance herself from her "DARK" choices in roles and relationships...I mean there is a video of her doing Nazi Salutes at one of MM's concerts. Of course she will have to say she was brainwashed to keep her career. How else would she save herself if that becomes Viral. MM today also doesn't have much power in either Hollywood nor Music industry. He is also fat and unattractive. He is an easy target. Today being viewed as an "Activist" is like a religious "born-again" virtue transformation. She wants to shed her old self and be transformed, but rather than taking personal responsibility that religious conversions require, woke transformations require seeking Justice and targets of blame other than oneself.
Very interesting, whether she is being truthful or not, telling this story is definitely an advantage to her
Actors say they have to take a chunk of time to put the character back in it’s box so to speak > Jessica Lang has talked about that > I think she seems like she has disassociated from reality which may have been a coping mechanism from childhood
You totally hit the nail on the head and I think mental health doctors should totally be taking a look at this theory of actresses and actors carrying their characters with them and becoming vulnerable to multiple personality disorders Especially if there was already trouble brewing in that person mentally to begin with such as her.
She is also making a fortune from her Phoenix Rising Act CHARITY that the GOVERNMENT IS SUPPORTING AND SENDING YOU TO HER CHARITY!
You are ignoring facts, and you are ignoring psychopathic behaviors of Marilyn Manson. Who I was a fan of, but feel totally disgusted by, after finding out that he doesn't like black people, and Jews. BTW many people were Goths, Valley Girls, Mean Girls, Video Vixens, Metalheads, and hard rockers who got older and now dress conservative, or just like regular business men/soccer moms. It's called maturing/maturity.
You're not a mental health professional for one so you really don't have the credentials to be talking about this or even seemingly labeling ERW or making assumptions on her mental health using clinical terms or references. Two, nowhere in the documentary did her brother state that ERW had a hard time establishing reality from fantasy. I've always been a Marilyn Manson fan, so it's been really difficult to decide who's story is real, but I think it's damaging that you're stating speculation as fact, as evident by the title of your video stating "her lies about Marilyn Manson" when you don't know the truth yourself.
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I’ve reported her account.
@@4EverGoth me too
I think they explored her childhood trauma to lay a foundation as to why she ended up in an abusive relationship in adulthood
Youre probably right about that. Its just unfortunate for ERW, that any responsible adult knows thats no excuse. What happened to a person as a child doesnt excuse or justify anything a person does as an adult.
@@sole__doubt I’m not sure I’m understanding what you mean. It’s extremely common for children who experienced abuse to have abusive partners in adulthood. If this is the case for her, it’s not her fault. It’s a common experience and result of trauma.
@@alliemarie2005 Yes it is her fault, 100% her fault. When a person becomes an adult they are responsible for the position they are in, period. A persons childhood is the past and it irrelevant when judging an adults behavior.
She was NOT a child but she repeats it all day long. It's the first words out of her mouth. Hi I'm evan and when I met MM, my exfiance, I was an 18 yr old child in a bar. And he groomed me for???? For what Evan? well for nothing really. We were going to get married. (I don't know all of the drama but I know she lived a fantasy life in her head) I fill in blanks when I know more..
I still want to give ERW the benefit of the doubt to a certain extent while also giving MM a fair shake. When I first started watching all the videos about ERW's accusations, I thought of a couple of different scenarios for why ERW made her accusations against MM in which her hurt feelings would still be valid. One possibility I considered was that maybe ERW's hurt feelings from years of narcissistic or other abuse caught up with her and she redirected her accusation at the wrong individual. Perhaps when ERW had her breakdown, her father was quick to blame MM, and maybe ERW went along with it rather than try to fight her father and risk his wrath? I know my narc family member is quick to make assumptions about other people they barely know and is slow to change their opinion once they've already made up their mind about a person. The other men ERW has been with likely would have been too conventional and more to the narc father's taste. It would also explain the more conservative attitude and style that ERW seems to have these days. Maybe she did try to rebel when she was younger, but then regressed in more recent years to please her father?
I think it's also possible that ERW maybe didn't like what MM did when they were intimate and just never voiced her negative feelings, thus MM wouldn't have known he was doing anything wrong. If the father is a huge narcissist, it would make sense that ERW would not express her negative feelings until much later because a lot of children of narcissistic parents tend to hide or repress their negative emotions. Only through her therapy was she finally able to express herself more freely. But if she never said anything in the moment, then MM didn't commit SA.
These possible scenarios don't exonerate ERW by any means. As an adult, she should still know better.
Think always of how young she was
I think the latter scenario is a real possibility.
You have to remember that MM was twice her age, very famous and powerful and she was a young, very infatuated girl.
The power dynamic in that relationship was enormously skewed in his direction; he at the very least took advantage of a young girl.
Also, she wouldn't have to voice her discomfort during moments of intimacy, he'd be able to tell easily by body language/facial expression before, during and after the fact. Not sure if that would constitute as rape, but it's certainly abusive.
@@jaylee5331 ERW was 18 or 19 when they met. She was hardly a "young girl", more like a young woman. One thing I can't stand is how ADULTS, especially WOMEN are being encouraged to be helpless. Also if she was really uncomfortable, she would have had PLENTY of opportunities to speak up. I really dislike how people nowadays say women don't have to speak up when they are in an uncomfortable situation. In my mind, it sets women up to be taken advantage of by telling them it's okay to be passive in their discomfort and trust that their partner will pick up on how they feel. Also, I don't think it's a question of HAVE TO, as if it's some kind of obligation or chore, it's a matter of self-agency. I don't care how powerful the man is. Women should be free to speak their minds and voice their discomfort regardless, even if it's right in the middle of sex. Also, unless she was actively pushing him away, moving away from him or making a disgusted expression, he might not have picked up on her discomfort. Body language can be ambiguous sometimes. Yeah, he should've asked her how she was feeling in the moment if he was unsure. If he didn't, she should've said something. It's better for a woman to voice her discomfort and leave no room for misunderstanding.
@@DarkLightHuntress This type of reaction/lack of action are common among victims of domestic abuse, be it women or men. Abuse by the hands of a loved one, especially in a romantic relationship, is a deeply confusing experience. You speak of self-agency, and this is precisely what is robbed of them through deep manipulation, gaslighting, love bombing, trauma bonding, etc, etc... You are asking victims to take responsibility for their actions while they were being abused. Are you aware that it is common for sexual abuse victims to have sex with their abuser (personally known by the victim - and majority are) after rape so as to "rewrite" the experience? The way in which victims react commonly does not make sense.
@@jaylee5331 Honestly, I haven't considered an SA victim going back to have sex with their abuser again. It feels wrong. I have been gaslit, love bombed and manipulated by a relative and it confused and scared me for a while. And initially, I did go along with what they wanted me to do (not sex, thankfully), so I do see your point to a certain extent.
Your brain is amazing ! Thank you for your interesting and insightful editorials.
We have to be careful not to confuse psychological explanations with legal justifications.
Same thoughts
I really like your channel. Of course I subscribed. Sending much Aloha from Honolulu. 🌺❤️
There’s a stark difference between her and Amber. Her goal isn’t money, and it’s not fame. She’s far more sincere and she says things that shows bitterness is not her game. She tried to help other DV victims. I believe some of this happened. I believe SHE believes what she is saying. If-IF-it’s not true-something happened to her. Something very bad and she’s projecting that to MM. Bottom line, I’m not convinced he’s not the exact opposite of his stage presence and I’m not convinced she’s not a victim.
But-she is a very good actress. At least she’s more convincing than Amber. These people have mental illness. That’s why they make these mistakes.
EXACTLY I believe her! I believe these women
@@karenaandreasen7029 I don’t believe Amber Heard! But I believe Evan believes everything she says, but whether all of it happened or not? 🤷🏻♀️
@@StormyDay Possibly but just so much evidence an eyewitness! Trust me this has been very upsetting to me. I didn't want to believe this about Maryln Manson I was a fan! I think it should go to Trial an innocent person would not be afraid to go there. Crazy thing though is there's a lot of people who say there experience have been horrible including men with him non sexual but just abusive then you have others say he's so nice he's this that! Psopath people can fool others! It's all been sad an disturbing honestly 😢 I was a Fan had a shirt from the 90s I sold it to a youngster though made him happy 😊
Psychedelics can cause one to view sexuality as barbaric, which it is. But at 16 years of age when my bf at the time and I tripped with another couple, this realization on my part was so intense that my bf's barbaric-ness suddenly became gross and this feeling continued for the next few years with him...
During which time I stayed with him even though I felt my love for him had died as a result of this realization. But this view of him did not seem to apply to my view of myself at all. It wasn't that I felt myself to be a child though. It was the fact I felt tied to him even though I also felt this disgust. More later...
Thats very interesting
That’s fascinating. Was the boyfriend an insensitive and rough lover to begin with that caused this barbaric view of his sexuality? SA is barbaric. Sexuality, primal and/or giving due to romantic feelings or a loving partnership. But this view occurred during a trip? Only bc of the affects of that?
You are so cool. I love psychology and find myself psycho analyzing myself and everyone around me constantly lol. I believe in a soul too. I feel like you’d be so fun to have a deep conversation with.
My default is to believe women, period. I believed Amber. Then I looked at the EVIDENCE and that changed my mind. We have not seen evidence in this case yet. Saying ERW is lying before seeing evidence is the exact reason why folks were worried about the outcome of the depp trial.
Idk man,
Forging a document of an fbi department that doesn't even exist, and entering into evidence this doc in her custody battle in court?
She seems to live on a pink cloud mentally, that whatever she says or does magically becomes true
Possible psychopathy?
It'll be interesting to see what comes out in the future.
No one knows what ERW has for evidence. She could be loaded with it. There’s also 16 other women who have their own evidence. There’s witnesses, including former band mates. And there’s no way Johnny Depp didn’t see or hear a lot of things. I’m disgusted he would stoop to being best buds with a sociopath like that.
I believe evan Rachel Wood and its such a shame she won't be believed because not only did her 'friend' lie about awful abuse claims but she also tried to use her stor about manson for her own means to an end by constantly bringing his friendship with JD into the trial. Evan has tried to get the statute of limitations extended so anyone in her situation can prosecute and get justice years after the abuse. Very very different to what Amber Heard has done.
ERW story is interesting and waiting to hear all the facts because the allegations of grooming seems real to me right now. but MM says he has proof for his claims so will wait for all the info.
EXACTLY! Evan used her time, money and resources to help others and she actually achieve something for other victims of abuse.
Do you just believe her because... or have you actually looked into the evidence? There isn't much believable about it.. respectfully of course.
She's lying, I hate to break it to you.
@@deadarmd really not emotionally invested either way but thanks for the heads up. It doesn't change the fact she's way more believable then Amber Heard is.
If she’s lying about MM….are all the other women as well 🤔
Yeah i agree. I belive her and the other women. There is No motive to Lie about that.
@@stinehansen191 have we not just seen Amber Hears display that there is in fact motive to do just that? You're lucky you don't know people like this but some of us do
@@snoozyq9576 the difference is no one else jumped up to join Amber in her accusations of abuse. Where as many people have come forward with accusations against MM how many need to come forward before you see there is possibly a problem there? The more that say they were abused the less likely they are all lying. In fact the way its like amber is that she wanted us to believe she was the only truth teller and all these other people were liars. The larger the number saying there is abuse the harder it is to believe they are all lying.
@@snoozyq9576 Of course Amber had a motive first she was not a celebrity like johnny so by accusing him she was in news papers tabloids and magazines and got super famous also she became the face of DV victims and got to write articles where she was paid good money and finally she got almost immediate revenge because he left her ...
@@snoozyq9576 amber wanted money from the devorce. Plain and simple. She was blackmailing him to pay for the apartment while her and her friends could live there for free. There is also plenty of evidence that she is lying. Like recording, pictures. Her story didnt add up at all. IT is not common that people Lie about things like this. IT is very rare. Just because amber lied about it. I dont belive evan and the other women lied about it.
Just started watching your videos and it's been interesting so far. Just wondering, what's your background in psychology and philosophy? Do you have accredited credentials?
She does not have any credentials in Psychology nor Philosophy. "She was an English Professor and is now trying to make it on RUclips", her own words.
@@cctrio1769OH OMG THAT EXPLAINS A LOT ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Absolutely fascinating, you provide much food for thought, thank you!
I believe this is a hoax, but I was just turning this around in my head last night. I thought maybe a grudge.....no idea. Ty for this.
I think you are on the right track.
Very interesting insights. I reacted to the genitalia disgust and was thinking, oh, wow. Something is up there. I think there is for sure something from her childhood that has affected her in ways she doesn’t realize
Moral culpability is real. I had a horrible childhood and yet I chose to not be a victim later in life or be a predator. I'm sad about what happened to ERW, but that's no reason to falsely accuse someone of r@pe. It's disrespectful to people who have actually suffered that kind of violation.
Who says it’s false?
Her entire body language in interviews, her lack of eye contact when she speaks, and how she brings up slogans about abuse all the time in her sentences, I can't believe her completely
Right? I kind of felt like she was fake crying ( acting) and it wasn’t a good performance, to me. I thought my god I’m a real a- hole for thinking that but this makes me think my gut feeling was right.
There is no such thing as a body language expert
All of these are common things in victims of abuse.
As a 60yr old with 4 sisters and 3 brothers growing up happy. Learned from mags only. When u realize your parents doing it. It almost ruined your thoughts
She is telling the truth.
No. She's lying, actually.
fascinating video. all the best kurtz
What gets me about this is how much of our history lies in how we react to our lives, not what happens to us. I can remember times in my life when I was not just encouraged but pushed to turn people in for things they did not do. It seems to be quite common if you look into certain cultures, it is often acceptable to associate regret with the other r word because of an inflated sense of entitlement to commitment and 'intentions' toward us. Strangely enough, this mentality of 'what are your intentions toward so and so' rewriting your whole reputation can actually pair us up with some real creeps. Stating intention is not more powerful than actually providing someone with the freedom to choose you.
Sorry for the rant, and i hope it made sense. My determinism might be singular in this social climate.
Growing up acting and playing roles to appease and be accepted can easily turn into playing roles in future relationships. Meaning "I like this person, who do I need to be for them to like me back and for me to be safe with them?"
Only, this leads to a long term situation with ongoing adaptation, not only to the current partner but to others as well, over time muddling the water and making the roles increasingly difficult to keep separate, all the while never holding on to who they themselves really are. A continuous search for "who do I need to be in This context, with This person" etc.
This is also possibly why friendships and relationships only work for a time, until it becomes too difficult to play all of the roles, and a new set of roles is set up as a way out, a way forward.
Just thinking... Hope that makes some sense.
I love your takes so much.
I absolutely love the idea of you doing a whole video on the philosophies of free will/determinism. It is fascinating stuff
My personal jury is still out on this case, but that’s why I like to consume as much from both sides of the story as I can. I love your philosophical commentary, I love that you still film when you feel like crap without a stitch of makeup on, and bed head from hell. Keep them coming. 😷
She doesn't even look bad nor does her hair lol
Also I have no idea what to think about this one. I don't know anything about it really.
Back handed compliment if I ever heard one lol
@@1117ajd right? So shady lol
I admire you are willing to see both sides before making up your mind. It's all Manson defenders are asking😀
Great analysis. New viewer catching up with the Johnny Depp case and watching additional views of yours.
Liked, subscribed, and commented for the algorithm.
Frankly I find the 'octopussy' image more indicative of her promiscuity.
Interesting theory.
@@margaretlowe5220 Well, it seems pretty obvious from the number of partners she had before, after and even during her time with Manson.
There are almost 20 victims who have emerged, so far, both male and female - against Manson. I doubt Wood's upbringing is responsible.
Depending on one’s upbringing the incorporation of sex in their life can be very scarring during childhood. My earliest experiences really upset me to this day. Even though it was nothing but childhood curiosity.
Amazing avaluation Colonel Kurtz ! 👏👏👏👏🌸💋
I fell for Evan's hoax until I found your channel and until I saw Manson's evidence. Thank you.
What evidence, am interested?
I don't know if you ever watched her as a teen in Once and Again but she had to play this dark haunted ballerine and she played it so convincingly that when I saw it as a teen myself I was fully convinced that she had had experienced sexual trauma in real life. She could go so dark in her roles. And this was way before Marilyn. When they got together I thought "yeah I could see that cause this chick is messed from early on"
Being a good actress equals to being messed up in real life?
Her claim of being "a minor" when she was an 18 year old adult and also saying "I was just a baby" is also majorly flawed. All you have to do is look at every single relationship she has had and you see how she becomes a chameleon of that partner. BPD staring you right in the face, then narcissism which she will never take responsibility for her actions, but blame for her own behavior. I grew up with BPD and a narcissist, but l also chose very young that l would not be the same kind of person and l have nothing to do with any of them because of the toxicity and abuse they bring with them.
you are a minor in hands of a man of almost 40 years old wtf with you people
DI NOT act like you know about personality disorders. This bitch doesn’t either!
she wasn't a minor but 18 is young. no life experience. your brain is still developing. not to mention, he was much older than her.
@@MishkaMeshel Your body is still developing also. My height stopped, but boobs and hips were becoming more prominent -like a woman.
@@MishkaMeshel Notice how ERW never mentions her relationship with Edward Norton when she was actually a minor (16)?
12:45 -- RE: Biology v. Upbringing, Nature v. Nurture -- Small point of order for ya, Col. Kurtz! "Biology" is not the boundary condition for Nature, because some of our biological factors are themselves environmental. *FOR EXAMPLE,* the Mitochondria which get passed down via our Mothers (ie. by the Eggs) is not Nature, but Nurture, even without the mother's conscious involvement.
I find you make a LOT of assumptions and create psychologically imaginative narratives about who Evan Woods is, with little understanding of the effects of trauma. You also avoid discussion of / ignore other evidence against MM including his own words. Many individuals who are neglected/abused as children are much more vulnerable to predators and predators identify them easily. I had little to no knowledge of MM or Evan Woods but when I watch the documentary, she is FAR more plausible than Amber Heard. If Johnny Depp was vulnerable to a narcissist like Amber because he grew up with one, why can't that be true of Evan Wood? Your certainty that she is lying is the point you start from in all your videos. I find the depth of your certainty disturbing.
I agree. This woman thinks she’s an expert. She hasn’t provided any evidence to back up her “facts”.
All the evidence is on Manson Instagram. These women have allready been caught forged fbi documents and impersonated a FBI agent. These women make heard look like a saint.
ERW is lying. That's really not a controversial statement. Numerous examples, from her FAKE FBI letter, to pretending Manson "groomed" her, implying she was a child, etc. She is simply a person with zero credibility.
Sometimes in life we need to go through some bad shit, drug abuse for example, bad employment, bad friends or even people who claim to be lovers that are bad in order to grow and learn. We differentiate what is good for us and what isn’t. Without these negative experiences how would we become stronger and wiser? When it comes to drug abuse - I’ve been through it and came out the other side I think it’s a choice at one point - but it happens when you are READY to let go. And that can mean a lot of different things for a lot of people. When are you ready? When do you have that free will? Does it happen to everyone? Nope. It certainly doesn’t. Sometimes people just aren’t strong enough because they never LEARN from the feelings of the abuse or self abuse which is what drug addiction is. They identify with it instead. Anyway. Great video. 🤟🏼