Okay, if we're interested in digging through the smartphone failure bin (and I am...), could you do a deep dive on the Amazon Fire Phone? Like just imagine if that thing had been even half decent, or if all its weird depth sensors and cameras were actually able to achieve a personalized 3D perspective. RED, eat your heart out.
My core memory of the Red Hydrogen phone is Marques really selling it HARD. i think that was a reminder about evaluating tech products as they are with current firmware and all, and NOT on what they might get in the future.
Probably you remember it that way because he posted 3 entire videos about it pre launch before making his review. Definitely built up hype that amounted to nothing.
To be frank I remember the contrary, without having rewatched his past review. Ever since the Hydrogen he keeps telling to never buy a phone based on a promised future update, which I think holds true.
He did, before he got one to review. He’s a Red user, after all, and he got taken by the hype. But the phone was so bad, that he really had to dismiss it, or he would have lost his credibility, with everyone else panning it, such as Arstechnica, and others, such as the photo sites.
Everyone else: pixel fold, tablet, and 7a! Snazzy Labs: Red Hydrogen One!!!! And that is why I love you. I was thinking about this phone recently and it's fun to see that thought materialize.
And that is RED for you… well at least Jim lead RED. He wasn’t particularly healthy for the camera community. Lots of REDUser drama over the years. Plus not to mention the extremely confusing camera systems and upgrades and oh the delays. Things never came out on time. Also the mini mags being just rehoused drives which LTT infamously showing. With that said RED did give the camera industry a kick in the pants with the RED One. Then we got the Nikon D90 and Canon 5D MKII.
@@Jdudhhsuxbsksj probably negative. I like red cameras but their business model is very litigious. Another example. Most cameras can’t have compressed raw video in-camera because RED sues any camera manufacturers who attempts to do the same.
I think ultimately reds biggest problem is that their camera technology was to costly to apply to a smartphone and the fact that the smartphone market was already overcrowded.
Interesting, I remember when this came out, I totally forgot the whole phone was about the 3D screen. I get wanting to make a phone that is “different”, but man what if the company that makes cameras would have focused on making the best smartphone camera in the industry first, then maybe V02 or V03 they could have focused on the 3D stuff.
I doubt they can make the best smartphone camera in the world even if they tried to. Just doesn't have the software engineering capacity to out google google or out do apple.
That was the best video I have watched on youtube in quite a while. I loved the amount of detail and angles you took with it, the editing of the different camera angles, the quality but not overly bright lighting where you shot it, your affable approach to the video and topic, the praise where it was warranted and the criticism where that was warranted. But most of all what engaged me so much was how you presented it. I don't know if others tell you that you talk fast (although: is there some set speed, according to who, is the speed subjective to the listener, etc) - I do and people tell me often, but I also think and can listen fast as well. I find a lot of youtube presenters' speech too slow and too drawn out for me - just get to the point! I could listen to you presenting for hours on end though. Your speech rate was dead on perfect for me personally, it kept me engaged and the flow of your speech was excellent as well, I really felt like you were talking *to* me, not just *at* me You have a natural talent clearly as well as experience and I rarely subscribe to someone on here but I definitely want to watch more of your videos, I don't even care that much what the topics specifically are. Although tech is cool! *grins* I got to the end of the video and my *only* regret - was that it wasn't 2-3 times as long and thus even more detailed and intricate lol. Cool topic, cool approach, stellar presentation, leave the viewer wanting more. That's a 10 out of 10 - at least for me personally. Thank you for such a pleasant experience, I hope my comment is uplifting to read. Keep doing exactly what you are doing, it is sublime!
I remeber being in a Verizon store and holding one of these in my hand. It felt so solid and substantial. So very different from the delicate, slippery glass slabs that still prevail today. I was just about to buy one but decided to wait until the weekend. Then... discontinued! I dont know why but i still want one of these!
I bought one in 2019. Enjoyed it, but less than a year later there was ZERO support for it and Red pretty much disavowed it entirely. Pissed me TF off because I spent $1300 for it. In hindsight I should've waited longer but my previous phone was on its last legs and this looked like the coolest of what was currently available.
Good video but I wish you had more front facing shots of the devices. Its great that you are giving in depth reactions to the technology, But all I see is a off center dark screen.
Well deserved. I appreciate everything RED has done for the camera industry. But they did some major c*nt moves like patenting something they did not come up with (which is the case in RED vs Nikon) and are pretty much parent trolling at this point.
@@NovianLeVanMusic"Last May, RED sued Nikon for illegally copying its data compression technology in the Japanese camera company’s massive 2.0 firmware update for the Z9 camera. The lawsuit claimed Nikon had infringed on seven of its patent that dealt specifically with “a video camera that can be configured to highly compress video data in a visually lossless manner.”"
@@NovianLeVanMusic"RED’s lawsuit against Nikon for infringing on its video compression patents has been dismissed, effectively giving Nikon permission to continue allowing compressed internal RAW video recording in its cameras."
Saw one of these at Verizon store when new. I was floored by the 3-D effect. Way higher rez than Nintendo's 3DS... but much more expensive. Wanted, but could not afford. I suppose a bullet was dodged. I've got an iPhone XR instead and... its still my primary. I doubt I'd still be using the Hydrogen if I'd gotten it back then.
Clicked so quickly. This was one of the first BIG tech flops to drop after I started to really focus on tech super closely. Shocking that this was ever even brought to market.
Phone like these make me wonder what goes through the heads of the higher ups. Did they think the "Red" brand was that strong? Did they think the gimmick of the Fire Phone/3DS would somehow be worth it this time? Did they think promises of future features would make people buy their phone now? How out off touch do you have the be to not can this?
The phone was the founders baby and it was supposed to be part of a whole eco system that surrounded the phone. Dead cameras had a whole video on it. The phone was supposed to double as a viewer for a new camera. They had also designed a system to view 3D cinema footage on the red phone to give you an approximation of 3d footage you've shot, replacing a viewer and solving one of the key issues of shooting 3D. The idea was that you'd be able to have more idea of what 3D footage would look like instead of having to watch it in 2D and try and work it out. Obviously that didn't happen, and probably wouldn't have worked very well even if it had. But that was the idea. It'd be a key part of a new eco system.
A good comparison will be between this Red which came out in 2018 and the Motorola phone which had a similar if not exact 3D display back in 2012 or so. It kinda just feels like Red just saw that concept a few years too late and just invested in it lol. ( I still couldn't find which Motorola model had that just remember playing with it as a friend of mine had it when it first came out.)
I wonder if Leia 3D tech made it into Lego Super Mario? As you just described the eyes 3D effect... Which while awesome can get creepy when you notice Lego Mario looks at everyone in the eyes including cameras at the same time.
I can see a bunch of missteps in other areas since they were new to the smartphone game but having a bad camera seems unbelievable. The one thing they should have excelled at. This also serves as a cautionary tale for other companies not to get overly excited and start promising the world. Wait until your product launches and actually become successful to start talking accessories and future support. Yes I understand that's not how marketing works but still.
Thank you for mentioning the Nintendo 3DS lol Everytime I see a review of a product like this, even now, everyone acts like it's never been done before.
The future of 3D content is VR/AR headsets. Seeing the original Avatar in 3D on my Quest 2 years ago was kind of mind blowing, if a bit uncomfortable. I believe everyone's gonna be all over that stuff when headsets get better.
I had a friend work for Leia and he and I would always get a chuckle at his Red Hydrogen Phone he had to carry around. We always knew in the back of our minds “yup, there it is, one of the worst phones ever”.
I remember the latest fast and furious movie. I swear that they had these phones in the dashboards of all the cars, despite the phones already being quite old.
NO WAYYYY BROOO, i got a refurbished Galaxy tab s7 fe and instead of the OG Samsung charger coming with it, I GOT THIS RED CHARGER with it, ive got to say the cable that came with it is amazing
this sponsor segment was the most american thing I’ve seen so far (not in a bad way, more like jealous to think that people can even afford pools, houses even)
I have one of these. Dailied it for like 7 months before dropping it in a big bucket of water..... man i wish this thing had an IP rating to go with its rugged exterior
galaxy s8 ditched the home button before the note 8 and wasn’t apple one of the last companies to finally adopt the bezel less design? it was better tho, cause it had the smallest chin because of the folded screen
I wouldn’t mind seeing a 4D device, if you ever get a chance, try 4D. It’s surreal. Basically virtual reality but most of the gimmicks are from the screen while you wear a pair of glasses.
I'm looking at buying one on Friday. How is it in 2023? I play dbz legends. Does it support that? I had one back in 2018 but never really played games. I loved how rigid it is.
It's good at games, I play cod on it and pugg all the time. I have both the titanium and aluminum models love both, but the titanium version is badass. people still to this day are like what phone is that it's cool !!!
REALLY sucks that they didn’t make the attachments. You can see what they were going for, but you can see people just didn’t understand. Then they got an angry CEO, lol.
there's one huge problem with the 3d. your eyes aren't a centimeter apart. they would have to put a camera on the far extremes of the phone for the 3d effect to make any sense
Over a million subs and this guy is still on camera looking to the side and checking his overhead cam monitor? Come on man. A zoom for it would help massively too...
Okay, if we're interested in digging through the smartphone failure bin (and I am...), could you do a deep dive on the Amazon Fire Phone? Like just imagine if that thing had been even half decent, or if all its weird depth sensors and cameras were actually able to achieve a personalized 3D perspective. RED, eat your heart out.
DankPods did a pretty good job reviewing it, but I would love a video from Quinn on it
oooo yes i like this idea!
On a podcast flashback he used to do he talked about it
Edit: The January 19th, 2021 episode
@@jst_TVwas going to say the exact same thing! Love his vid, but would also appreciate one from Quinn
We'll never know. 😂
My core memory of the Red Hydrogen phone is Marques really selling it HARD. i think that was a reminder about evaluating tech products as they are with current firmware and all, and NOT on what they might get in the future.
Probably you remember it that way because he posted 3 entire videos about it pre launch before making his review. Definitely built up hype that amounted to nothing.
To be frank I remember the contrary, without having rewatched his past review.
Ever since the Hydrogen he keeps telling to never buy a phone based on a promised future update, which I think holds true.
Mkb is a bought and paid for hack.
@@josh8106I was hoping it would be something. Then it was nothing. 😢
He did, before he got one to review. He’s a Red user, after all, and he got taken by the hype. But the phone was so bad, that he really had to dismiss it, or he would have lost his credibility, with everyone else panning it, such as Arstechnica, and others, such as the photo sites.
Everyone else: pixel fold, tablet, and 7a!
Snazzy Labs: Red Hydrogen One!!!!
And that is why I love you.
I was thinking about this phone recently and it's fun to see that thought materialize.
So Jim hated the reviewers for not banking on future improvements that he promised would happen that never happened. Oof.
Also for expecting finished software on a finished product, not the promise to finish it.
that strat seems to work great on video games
And that is RED for you… well at least Jim lead RED. He wasn’t particularly healthy for the camera community. Lots of REDUser drama over the years. Plus not to mention the extremely confusing camera systems and upgrades and oh the delays. Things never came out on time. Also the mini mags being just rehoused drives which LTT infamously showing.
With that said RED did give the camera industry a kick in the pants with the RED One. Then we got the Nikon D90 and Canon 5D MKII.
I can only imagine his reaction with Linus tech tips video on spending money on a red camera
@@Jdudhhsuxbsksj probably negative. I like red cameras but their business model is very litigious. Another example. Most cameras can’t have compressed raw video in-camera because RED sues any camera manufacturers who attempts to do the same.
Does anyone else remember the HTC EVO 3D? This Red Phone just seems like they took that 2011 htc phone and increased the size and price.
I still remember this phone like it was yesterday. I thought it was released like 3 years ago and then I remember this is 2023.
I think ultimately reds biggest problem is that their camera technology was to costly to apply to a smartphone and the fact that the smartphone market was already overcrowded.
The Essential Phone was a really great phone when the price dropped and software issues got ironed out a year in.
Interesting, I remember when this came out, I totally forgot the whole phone was about the 3D screen. I get wanting to make a phone that is “different”, but man what if the company that makes cameras would have focused on making the best smartphone camera in the industry first, then maybe V02 or V03 they could have focused on the 3D stuff.
I doubt they can make the best smartphone camera in the world even if they tried to. Just doesn't have the software engineering capacity to out google google or out do apple.
When you showed the pool robot I could not help remembering the short story Zima Blue by Alastair Reynolds and featured in Love, Death and Robots.
That was the best video I have watched on youtube in quite a while. I loved the amount of detail and angles you took with it, the editing of the different camera angles, the quality but not overly bright lighting where you shot it, your affable approach to the video and topic, the praise where it was warranted and the criticism where that was warranted.
But most of all what engaged me so much was how you presented it. I don't know if others tell you that you talk fast (although: is there some set speed, according to who, is the speed subjective to the listener, etc) - I do and people tell me often, but I also think and can listen fast as well.
I find a lot of youtube presenters' speech too slow and too drawn out for me - just get to the point! I could listen to you presenting for hours on end though. Your speech rate was dead on perfect for me personally, it kept me engaged and the flow of your speech was excellent as well, I really felt like you were talking *to* me, not just *at* me
You have a natural talent clearly as well as experience and I rarely subscribe to someone on here but I definitely want to watch more of your videos, I don't even care that much what the topics specifically are. Although tech is cool! *grins*
I got to the end of the video and my *only* regret - was that it wasn't 2-3 times as long and thus even more detailed and intricate lol. Cool topic, cool approach, stellar presentation, leave the viewer wanting more. That's a 10 out of 10 - at least for me personally.
Thank you for such a pleasant experience, I hope my comment is uplifting to read. Keep doing exactly what you are doing, it is sublime!
I remeber being in a Verizon store and holding one of these in my hand. It felt so solid and substantial. So very different from the delicate, slippery glass slabs that still prevail today. I was just about to buy one but decided to wait until the weekend. Then... discontinued! I dont know why but i still want one of these!
I bought one in 2019. Enjoyed it, but less than a year later there was ZERO support for it and Red pretty much disavowed it entirely. Pissed me TF off because I spent $1300 for it. In hindsight I should've waited longer but my previous phone was on its last legs and this looked like the coolest of what was currently available.
Good video but I wish you had more front facing shots of the devices. Its great that you are giving in depth reactions to the technology, But all I see is a off center dark screen.
Red still taking Ls in 2023 (vs Nikon)
Well deserved.
I appreciate everything RED has done for the camera industry.
But they did some major c*nt moves like patenting something they did not come up with (which is the case in RED vs Nikon) and are pretty much parent trolling at this point.
Could you elaborate? I haven’t kept up with cameras in a long time, but this sounds interesting.
Lawsuit about Nikon using RED compression technology or some bs like that
@@NovianLeVanMusic"Last May, RED sued Nikon for illegally copying its data compression technology in the Japanese camera company’s massive 2.0 firmware update for the Z9 camera. The lawsuit claimed Nikon had infringed on seven of its patent that dealt specifically with “a video camera that can be configured to highly compress video data in a visually lossless manner.”"
@@NovianLeVanMusic"RED’s lawsuit against Nikon for infringing on its video compression patents has been dismissed, effectively giving Nikon permission to continue allowing compressed internal RAW video recording in its cameras."
Saw one of these at Verizon store when new. I was floored by the 3-D effect. Way higher rez than Nintendo's 3DS... but much more expensive. Wanted, but could not afford. I suppose a bullet was dodged. I've got an iPhone XR instead and... its still my primary. I doubt I'd still be using the Hydrogen if I'd gotten it back then.
always nice to see something like this amongst the onslaught of pixel fold uploads
Clicked so quickly. This was one of the first BIG tech flops to drop after I started to really focus on tech super closely. Shocking that this was ever even brought to market.
I loved those 2 pieces of furniture you had on the video. The chair and the thing on your left behind you 😂
Phone like these make me wonder what goes through the heads of the higher ups. Did they think the "Red" brand was that strong? Did they think the gimmick of the Fire Phone/3DS would somehow be worth it this time? Did they think promises of future features would make people buy their phone now?
How out off touch do you have the be to not can this?
The phone was the founders baby and it was supposed to be part of a whole eco system that surrounded the phone. Dead cameras had a whole video on it.
The phone was supposed to double as a viewer for a new camera. They had also designed a system to view 3D cinema footage on the red phone to give you an approximation of 3d footage you've shot, replacing a viewer and solving one of the key issues of shooting 3D. The idea was that you'd be able to have more idea of what 3D footage would look like instead of having to watch it in 2D and try and work it out.
Obviously that didn't happen, and probably wouldn't have worked very well even if it had. But that was the idea. It'd be a key part of a new eco system.
A good comparison will be between this Red which came out in 2018 and the Motorola phone which had a similar if not exact 3D display back in 2012 or so. It kinda just feels like Red just saw that concept a few years too late and just invested in it lol. ( I still couldn't find which Motorola model had that just remember playing with it as a friend of mine had it when it first came out.)
HTC had a 3D photo that took 3D pictures even, it was called the Evo 3D
@@Motolavwhy does none remember the htc Evo 3d?
It was a pretty good phone and also very cheap, and metal on top.
I wonder if Leia 3D tech made it into Lego Super Mario? As you just described the eyes 3D effect... Which while awesome can get creepy when you notice Lego Mario looks at everyone in the eyes including cameras at the same time.
I remember they were so desperate to turn around the slow sales that they started bundling the Aquaman film with the phone.
Another great vid!
I can see a bunch of missteps in other areas since they were new to the smartphone game but having a bad camera seems unbelievable. The one thing they should have excelled at. This also serves as a cautionary tale for other companies not to get overly excited and start promising the world. Wait until your product launches and actually become successful to start talking accessories and future support. Yes I understand that's not how marketing works but still.
Personally I think if this screen was on a 3DS it would have been the best of both
Quinn, as much as i enjoyed this video, your glancing at the top down monitor was jarring.
I keep thinking you're saying Ren & Leia 😂
great video, had no idea they went on to make a tablet
also my cat's name is leia, she was very confused
I use a hydrogen one with red control app with my Komodo. It's fun a fun couple.
That is interesting and all, but I'm more interested at what you are looking at on your left hand side!))
looks like Snazzy Labs got that Zima Blue sponsorship
Everyone: Pixel Pixel Pixel Google Google Google
Quinn: Remember this weird phone
Thank you for mentioning the Nintendo 3DS lol Everytime I see a review of a product like this, even now, everyone acts like it's never been done before.
18:05 Oh! Thats what this video about! ...couldn't figure out why you were making this vid!!
I wonder how the Lume Pad 2 compares to a Looking Glass display
I was wondering the same thing. Anyone knows?
Will you be looking at replacing the Rom with lieanage os or any other rom?
The future of 3D content is VR/AR headsets. Seeing the original Avatar in 3D on my Quest 2 years ago was kind of mind blowing, if a bit uncomfortable. I believe everyone's gonna be all over that stuff when headsets get better.
Your intro reminded me that the Silver iPhone X was perhaps the best-looking iPhone we will ever see.
the only time I have seen these phones were in movies where someone actor was doing some "mobile hacking"
For some reason I found that water segway hilarious
I had a friend work for Leia and he and I would always get a chuckle at his Red Hydrogen Phone he had to carry around. We always knew in the back of our minds “yup, there it is, one of the worst phones ever”.
How is this phone 5 years old already??
Time is an evil mistress.
Lol 😅
I still have a 3D TV, watched Tron legacy 3D Blu-ray with my son the other week. He was blown away 😂
I forgot the Essential Phone was released the previous year. I was sitting here like “he forgot 1”
How does this compare visually to the Evo 3D? I really enjoyed that phone
I remember the latest fast and furious movie. I swear that they had these phones in the dashboards of all the cars, despite the phones already being quite old.
Another great video, Quinn!
Best Ad Segway Ever
NO WAYYYY BROOO, i got a refurbished Galaxy tab s7 fe and instead of the OG Samsung charger coming with it, I GOT THIS RED CHARGER with it, ive got to say the cable that came with it is amazing
Nice video (:
I will still stand with the LG G5 to what was the best bezel-less display?
You gotta review the 4d Amazon-made phone next!
I remember when every Amazon package had tape advertising the Fire Phone
was expecting the HTC Evo 3D. I legit forgot about this phone.
Pool cleaner robot are you taking the p!ss?! 🤣🤣🤣
Do the Amazon (Dumpster)Fire Phone at some point!
The Hydrogen phone was so good it was featured on the movie “Don’t look up”
Great review as always. But.. can we talk about the fact that it looks ungraded?!?
very interesting!
this sponsor segment was the most american thing I’ve seen so far (not in a bad way, more like jealous to think that people can even afford pools, houses even)
I have one of these. Dailied it for like 7 months before dropping it in a big bucket of water..... man i wish this thing had an IP rating to go with its rugged exterior
galaxy s8 ditched the home button before the note 8
and wasn’t apple one of the last companies to finally adopt the bezel less design?
it was better tho, cause it had the smallest chin because of the folded screen
That is the best... segue to our sponsor.
O ya, the essential phone. Forgot about that. What ever happened to that?
expecting the views to explode after bieng in the verge home page
I wouldn’t mind seeing a 4D device, if you ever get a chance, try 4D. It’s surreal. Basically virtual reality but most of the gimmicks are from the screen while you wear a pair of glasses.
wtf is that sponsor segment xd
I went to the launch of this phone in nyc for Droid-Life and wow what a let down it became lol
All we wanted was HDMI input like the Xperia Pro.
I still use mine over my s21 ultra ! I love the red hydrogen one!! The best part is the battery lasts for ever!!!
I'm looking at buying one on Friday. How is it in 2023? I play dbz legends. Does it support that? I had one back in 2018 but never really played games. I loved how rigid it is.
It's good at games, I play cod on it and pugg all the time. I have both the titanium and aluminum models love both, but the titanium version is badass. people still to this day are like what phone is that it's cool !!!
That’s why I like him cuz he don’t lie he speaks truth
Challenging Linus on that segway
I wonder what he paid for it? I love these videos about failed tech. The Amazon phone, the FB phone etc..
That was a Linus level of sponsor segue...
Man I miss the HTC EVO 3D
Underwater vacuum cleaners!!! Yay!!
That sponsor segue threw me off a cliff
It is a very asthetically cool phone
It’s too bad, it would have made for a sick sick monitor for Komodo if it could connect via usb 3
2023 and we still can’t fully grasp the greatness of this device /s
REALLY sucks that they didn’t make the attachments. You can see what they were going for, but you can see people just didn’t understand. Then they got an angry CEO, lol.
there's one huge problem with the 3d. your eyes aren't a centimeter apart. they would have to put a camera on the far extremes of the phone for the 3d effect to make any sense
Can i get link to buy it, pls😢
If i remember correctly wasn't its camera the same or even a worse than its competitors
1100 is "expensive" but we have overpriced phones with WAY smaller dimensions for the same price
It wasn’t even their original design, just bought it from some failed cloud based phone
That tablet is way more interesting than that excuse of a phone tbh
Red dead, no redemption
is it me or the video is not color corrected
This would be a badass nintendo 3ds emulator though.
"..because it's an Android tablet" your fanboy is showing again
The cameraphone equivalent of Overwatch 2
What is up with filming top down but the phone is angled at you? Was this a production mistake? Must have been.
Quinn wearing an apple watch! le gasp!
Who needs a pixel fold review Im I right ?
Fairly convincaling
The Oakley phone from 2007!
3D on a phone? I still have my HTC EVO 3D lol
Over a million subs and this guy is still on camera looking to the side and checking his overhead cam monitor? Come on man. A zoom for it would help massively too...
Really low contrast again this week. Intense contrast with the sponsor spot.
The back gives real HAL 9000 vibes