Old Town AutoPilot Sportsman 136 (Why I wouldn't)
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Here's a few thoughts on why I wouldn't fish from the Sportsman Autopilot in our local waterways.
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I miss the days on RUclips where people gave honest reviews about products. I’ve seen a lot of videos on the autopilot and you can definitely tell who got one for free and who is holding back trying to get noticed. It’s refreshing to hear an honest review from someone that just wants to fish the most efficient way possible. I have to admit you had me rethinking my order till you got to the part who this kayak is for, the story about the couple that take them out together is where my wife and I fit. Keep doing you Man, love the videos. FYI I see those seat risers on there lol. 👍🥃🇺🇸
Hahaha. You see those seat risers. That will be the next video!
You and your wife will enjoy it. I had a blast driving it around!
Well I don’t own one and I don’t fish big bodies of water but I’m do feel it’s to much money and a lot going on for a kayak. Wit that been said 2500 is still a lot but I was looking to get the old town sportsman 106 powered by minn Kota.
I like the 106MK. Simple design and easy to use.
Sooooooooo, I'm thinking Old Town isn't sending you a Christmas card this year???? Good, honest feedback.
I don’t think I will ever make it onto the Christmas card list lol
No matter how you feel about this review, this kid is spot on!!! Old town should be hiring him for manager of product and development for them!!! Period!!! If i owned old town, I'd be making this kid an offer he couldn't refuse!!!!! A realistic review is priceless!!!!! People get so caught up in branding and labels!!! This is the best real world review I've seen on this channel, in a long time!!!! Keep up the good work brother!!! I'll give old town my hard earned money when they fix the bad design quirks, you've mentioned.
these guys are the biggest supplier of after market parts for the old town line... hell Old town doesnt even have the stuff these guys do
I have one. I paid the full 4300 for it. Standing fishing is the only amazing part about it. Spotlock isnt really five feet and its slow as dirt. I almost wish I would have gotten a Hobie 360.
MANY VALID MINOR AND MAJOR CRITICALLY IMPORTANT CONCERNS, especially considering the cost of this kayak !
Old Town should value this review more than any other positive review
Truth!
Yeah maybe instead of no Christmas card they should hire you for saltwater r&d.
Man, this is a REALLY good review. It seems almost shocking to find a completely honest review! Just found your channel today and I liked this video so much I smashed that subscribe button 😀
Thanks for watching and subscribing.
Me too.
"Fishablity" ....I'm not about marketing, I'm a fisherman...I'm about catching fish." Love it! Two thumbs up my man.
Thanks for watching, Dino.
Not for 4000 dollars I dont overpriced badly
They should of put a lot more thought into this kayak it’s all about the Money
Very minor issues. I have one and I’ve owned over 20 different kayaks. It’s the best I’ve owned hands down. You’re missing the big picture over small concerns.
I make a living catching quality fish from the kayak with clients from all over the world. I’m not missing the big picture. You need a kayak that’s efficient and well thought out. We will have different opinions but I assure you mine isn’t based on leisurely days on the water.
I got both autopilot 136 and pro angler 14 with bow xi3. I think they are both the best money can buy
I dont even own this kayak and this is some wicked nit picking. Still gonna buy a hobie but sheesh brother.
No way. Videos old and the funniest part is they started fixing those things. At the end of the day the video geared towards someone going bass fishing. It was geared folks going offshore and it makes a big difference.
I think this is a great, informative video. I just recently purchased the OT AP 136, but I wish I had seen this review before. You bring up a lot of interesting points. Since this was posted almost 2 years ago, I am hoping that Old Town used this as a way to make a better product for the consumer. I am a 70 year old mother of 7, and grandmother of 16. I spent most of my yearly allowance for this boat, and I am hoping that I won't be facing a lot of the issues that you talked about! I fish mainly on local lakes that are relatively small, so big waves will not be part of my daily fishing experience. I do fish 5/6 days a week, and the winds come up every day in the afternoon. Anyway, I am rambling on now, but again, I want to thank you for this video. I have watched a lot of your videos, and what I get from that is that you are passionate about developing good products that make our fishing experience a better one....thank you.
Question, I’m a 60 yr old female who is interested in the autopilot 136 as well. I would be suit for local lake fishing. How do you feel about it after using it?
I was skeptical about buying the autopilot after this review. However, after fishing out of it a few times I find this critique to be rather nitpicky. Of course it’s not perfect, but the Thing is awesome, especially fishing in current around structure the spot lock is amazing. I’ve hooked several large jacks and had no problem operating the remote and finessing them. Hobies are pretty heavy too, it’s a kayak, you’re going to get wet. Battery life is really good 90amp hour battery had me out there for 10 hours leaving me with 50% , motor was running most of the time on level 5 and spot lock. I can stand up and throw a cast net no problem especially with spot lock. I transport this car top on a Jeep cherokee and use a strap kayak cart to wheel it to a launch. I predominately do inshore nearshore fishing in south Florida.
Sean, I’m glad you enjoy the kayak. As a guy who has made a living taking people kayak fishing from all over the world and logs more time on the water in a month then most spend a year. I pointed out reason why it wouldnt work for what we do. I was hard on the kayak for a reason and I bet version two doesn’t have any of those issues.
Drop the honest opinion and stand tall. No shame in that game!! --Brent
Thanks for watching, Brent.
Average Everyday Fisherman Show couldn’t agree more. The more you hear someone say honest the more they are reinforcing a lie. Just my experience. I believe you review because of the way it was presented first with ur assessment then the real world application and subsequent results. Keep up the good work!
MikeinNJ thanks for watching, Mike.
I know I'm late to the party but I find this review very refreshing and informative. The flaws you've pointed out are problems that should've been detected during the product development and test phase of the kayak and I hope that Old Town has taken to heart your comments. Old Town is still high on my list of contenders for a new kayak but I'll be sure to take a good look at whichever kayak I end up choosing to see if they've incorporated the changes you suggested. Thanks.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Overall it’s going to be a good platform. Just needs some tweaking.
Thanks for keeping it real. Other issue is the hull design. It is a huge pontoon boat. The outer sides push so much water. Very inefficient and slow.
Those that got free autopilot from Old Town should look at your video, instead of pointing out all the pros of the boat. Me, I would gladly stick with my Hobie Outback with a Torqeedo 403. If something goes wrong with my 403, I still have my pedal drive.
I agree. If I’m going to relay on a motor and battery I want the ability to pedal.
The thing is... The Pro Staffers that do speak against the product get written off the team. My case is an example of that
This video represents my opinion on why I wouldn't purchase or fish from the AutoPilot here in Northwest Florida. It's a cool platform and although it's not for me that doesn't mean it isn't for you.
I refuse to sit on my hands and tell you how amazing something is if I believe it has issues. My goal is to inform you so that you can make an educated decision about your purchase.
I am a regular viewer because I appreciate your honesty and candid comments. Keep it up Nick.
Thanks for watching!
They should let you design the next one. Since you know what you're talking about
Lol this is awesome. For some crazy reason throughout life as we know it on this great earth, people simply cannot handle honesty. I live my life every day being honest when asked and sometimes brutally honest and it rubs people all kind of wrong. Stay the course, stay honest and continue helping fishermen and fisherwoman enjoy fishing at its purest the way that it’s intended. The Auto Pilot isn’t for you but might be for someone else. Just like you said it’s your opinion and people should make their own judgment but you are just giving your feedback in ways that might help a novice lean another direction. Keep it up Nick...
Thank you for going against popular opinion and saying what needs to be said.
I’m switching back to hobie (lynx) myself. The OldTown MK106 was awesome until the control board died (which is only covered by a ONE year warranty as it’s an ‘accessory’) and the motor rendered useless - luckily I just launched and didn’t have to muscle that barge back from 2 miles off the coast. Exactly like you put it - no reliable secondary propulsion.. lost my confidence in the platform 100%
I just bought this kayak, and even after 4 years, this review is spot on. Storage sucks. You can't access the hull to pump out water if you sprung a leak. At full flank, the kayak is pretty slow. And you don't have the flexibility of the PDL 120. WOuld I take this offshore, no. Do I regret my purchase, no.... but I would have thought that over the 4 years OT would have made some improvements to this hull given what was said here. These are low hanging fruit improvements that are long overdue.
Lots of little things they could improve on.
Some great points. Some silly as well. The cup holder holding water was my fav. Lets hope all the fish are not wet that you bring out of the water.
I just started fishing Reds. No issues. Spot lock is not for "haulin' ass" and slamming into spot lock (glide, take your time). Water in the bow was not an issue until goimg into rougher water so.... Old Town offers half size scupper hole one way plugs and guess what, no water.
Seat was a bit off but you guys sold me the risers. PERFECT NOW.
I purchased this Kayak for freah water and to get where the Bass Trackers can't. I also made the purchase becuse $4000 is a great deal especially concidering it has an excellent trolling motor incorporated into the boat. Love, love, love this Kayak.
Pin has yet to show any corrosion but hey, I sprayed it just in case. I belive if I ever do break a shear pin... I better have a prop as well. The motor is built so well I seriously doubt the pin ever shearing. I have plowed throuh lilly pads with no issues. Oh, i also got your floating wing nut. Two to be exact. Nice job again.
Tracks in the back are for storage and tie downs. (lost of people like the Go Pro option) i am able to secure my crate, small cooler and live well and still have space for dry clothing/frog suit in case rain hits.
If you don't have the money I get it, it's easy to jump on board with the negatives. Like all things, you can make adjustments and make the Autopilot a great experience. No Kayak is perfect but man, the one I have is just a soid, well built Kayak.
Thanks for all your videos and keep on keepong on.
I was going to buy this end it up buying the OT 106 mk i think for my fishing style will work better for me lighter and i got me a lithium 100ah i can't wait going back to what i love doing during my younger years!
A pretty popular youtube fisherman here in the North Texas coast is a big fan of these and was one of those first people they called in to test them. He really raves about the 120 Autopilot so much that he sold his 2019 outback because this fishing platform suited his needs. After he had been fishing on it for a couple of months I got a chance to see it close up and just give it a quick inspection. And just like you mentioned that tool was rusted, the harness on the minn kota mount was rusted, screws were already rusting, and top speed was only about 3-3.5 miles an hour. I love the convenience of not having to paddle and the spotlock is great but if you get hooked up you have to stop to put it on. It spins in circles with the wind or a bull red takes you for a ride. And then its the extra weight of the battery. IDK, it just seems for the price point they have some work to do....ijs
I agree. For the price point they really need to work out the issues you mentioned. I had a few more things I didn’t like but I didn’t want to come off as the guy who was bashing the product.
I have this kayak and I love it. The things he talks about I have seen nothing on mine. I use it daily. The defects he points out I have no way of knowing that they are real and he didn't do it. Old Town backs there stuff. Lifetime warranty on the hull. He is one guy with problems you never see. This video is suspect and I could careless about his opinion. I would buy another Old Town Autopilot without hesitation. You know MY HONEST OPIONION IS NEVER GOING TO BE DICTATED BY SOMEONE ELSE'S THOUGHTS INPUTS OR SUGGESTIONS RIGHT? OR NEGATIVE REVIEW.
If you own and use this kayak why are you still watching review videos about it? This video was posted specifically for people who are going to use it in this region and thought they would have zero issues taking it off of the beach.
They put a $25 chair in a kayak that they want $4K for and didn’t even take the time to verify the power pole mount wouldn’t be in the way of the rudder when turned.
It was rushed to production…
I hope old town fixes most of these issues soon, because it's a really nice kayka and I want to get one
Can someone tell me how to press 20 thumbs up
Maybe this is the older guy kayak that is not fit to pedal as much as he would like how do you think? I see all the things that you said about it I agree with you.
I’m with you that this kayak was too expensive plus more money invested for batteries and tags.
Thanks for watching, Ruben.
You have to factor in that this kayak come with a Minn Kota Ulterra $2400.00.
AS A KAYAK FISHERMAN FOR 6 YEARS......WHO THE HELP IS TAKING A KAYAK THIS LARGE OFF THE OF BEACH???????????????????????????????????????????
These are big boats. They are NOT meant to go off of a beach!!
You’d be surprised by the number of people who planned to and didn’t think the situation through.
So I own a 136 as well and agree with you on most of the critiques on the yak like the cup holder holding water, the deck holds water, the side hatch not fully opening (although there’s a kit Old Town can send out to fix it I hear). It’s what I pointed out in my review video too. That said, IMO, nothing about this kayak screams “launch me from the beach/surf”. Why? Well for 1, as you pointed out, if you roll and the head of the trolling motor hits the bottom it’s game over! Also, the transducer is fully exposed! Why would anyone drag this yak anywhere? I think people have to look at this yak and treat it as a 1-man boat. Launch it from a marina/docks/boat launch where you can safely get in the water without rolling and not damage the transducer. I for sure think it’s primarily made for inland fishing but I can attest that it’s great for big waters, albeit freshwater, too as I primarily fish Lake Michigan for salmon/trout trolling. I think when it comes to salt it’s very different and probably not the best choice for those types of waters except maybe inshore/flats potentially. This is all just a matter of managing expectations with any kayak we get and knowing it’s limitations and identifying their best use.
Exactly. I don’t think it’s an all around terrible platform but it wouldnt work for me and that was the point of the video. If you could easily launch it in the area you planned to fish then I can see it being easy to troll and spot lock with.
There were a few things I didn’t touch on in the video that I didn’t like but I didn’t feel like it needed to be said.
I had fun driving it around!
@@NavarreKayakFishing should've just went all the way in and not held back lol curious if you'd share now what they are? I hear you tho, for your fishing its not really ideal and that's 100% viable, I get it. Maybe in future versions they will address these critiques cause you and me ain't the only ones that have pointed them out in review vids. I'd love to see the transducer covered for one and then it could be dragged around for instance.
Thanks, predator sounds logical 👍
I don't mind the negative opinons on the Kayak. It reinforces my decision that I really want this Kayak.
Also, it helps to hear the negatives as you can get a better idea of what the flaws of this kayak are.
But from what I've heard. The kayak battery (depending on brand and type of battery: lithium vs led acid) should last all day~
The registration for this kayak isn't expensive either, small fee.
It doesn't break down as much as what the Hobie Pro Angler 14 has been known to. (That was my 2nd option)
What sold me was the spot lock. I DO NOT want to spend my time adjusting while I fish a point, or a drop off, at a big lake while boaters are wizing by~
Those waves will move your kayak towards the shore, and I hate that. So spot lock shines here.
As for shallow water, this yak can go up to 1 ft deep. So it isn't a big deal cuz most people are not gonna fish in less than 2~3ft of water dept.
Small amount of water gets in. No biggie, your out on the water, can't expect not to get a little wet.
Not enough storage, no biggie. Most kayakers own a crate or cooler, so the fact that this has a lot of back storage helps.
Not as fast, no biggie there too. Im just going out to enjoy my morning or evening fishing. Patience is already key when fishing, so no rush in getting to a spot.
Also, you can get far more accessories for this kayak than the hobie because the mounts on this yak are very universal and you can buy from many companies.
I concur! When I was weighing all that Old Town offered, it just sounded so good! Then it came to price. $4000.00 for a kayak that is made of plastic! That's why I settled for the feel free 11.5 V2 that has the motor and peddle drive together for $2399! That kayak has served me well and I can reserve my battery by using motor to get to my spot and come home. While fishing, I use the peddle and paddle to get to spots around the lake, rivers, ponds and streams. I would NEVER take a kayak on the ocean, it's just not that safe for me. I'd rather rent a boat for that.
Thank you sir for your honest review. We need more honest reviews on YT instead of companies giving away free product in exchange for reviews that create marketing hype. I am hoping OT will design a motor to drop in the PDL drive hole that way we don’t have to buy a new kayak to have an electric motor.
Thanks for watching, Kevin.
What kayak would you recommend for offshore fishing?
I’d would recommend the Bigwater 132 PDL.
Finally someone was honest about the paddling efficiency (like trying to paddle a barge). Had the cash money ready but will spend it on something else.
Maybe a Hobie Pro Angler? :)
Some of the issues you have with this kayak are easily fixed. The extra sheer pin can be placed in the water tight compartment next the seat. If you are going out into waves that have a chance to break the motor mount on the front of the kayak common sense says that a kayak probably isn't the safest thing to be in. the giant jet of water when you hit spotlock is easily avoided if you slow down before you hit you the spotlock button. As for the weight issue yes this thing is very heavy to move around but I bought a kayak cart that helps me launch it.
Tj, the video pointed out things that people failed to mention in their videos. (You know, those guys who received free kayaks and sign contracts to only say good things)
The video was made so that no one on the coast would purchase it online (supply shortage during Covid) expecting perfection to realize it wasnt designed for the type of fishing we do in this area.
@@NavarreKayakFishing I'm local to you and kept eye balling this kayak till I saw this video, so thank you. Helped narrow it down to the bigwater and the lynx.
Thanks for watching, Luke.
Plenty of other kayaks out there that can and HAVE been in nasty rough water due to storms or current etc and handled just fine. the OT AP120 and Hobie 360 drive are both very expensive kayaks and have a ton issues for being 4-5K...
good honest review. I think its a great yak for bass fishing guys, but its not ideal for other fisherman. they probably never try hand paddling from that yak lol. the only pro is the spotlight and GPS feature but not every fisherman need that.
It is a pretty sweet feature though!
Wanna sell it......
Not practical, they need to focus on real improvements on the PDL series and figure out a way to make an interchangeable plug and play motor for the PDL and call it a day. As for this, skip the purchase and get a boat. Bass or Skiff.
Agreed!
Hahahaha, Still fighting the 150 lb beast, the 120 AutoPilot. Lots of health issues since last year and this sucker had me sitting in the van with heat exhaustion last week. Stupid not enough water, 6 hours in direct sun. I couldn't load it. Needed help... Next time more liquid, Fewer hours in Sun. I know you don't recommend it but that 72 lb Compass is looking mighty good for as little as I fish. Only out once a week and need something for the heat and when I'm not feeling perfect. The Quest. First thing I did was rount that seat back support line through the webbing fold so it's not in the way of that storage flapping door. Works but... .
I’m sorry to hear that, Steve. Compass will serve you well!
Sounds more like you have a problem understanding the capabilities of the craft. A good fisherman understands the capabilities of the the vessel and adjust to those capabilities.Just because you fish a certain way or in a certain area in certain conditions doesn’t mean that every vessel is going to be good for what you want.Sounds like a hit job on the kayak not a review. Nothing is perfect. But I guess if you can’t understand not to drag a heavy kayak across the beach than I think it’s your judgment that is lacking not the kayak.
Or when the kayak was first released the entire town tried to order one with considering anything of things that were pointed out.
Nothing is perfect but it’s been proven that the AP was rushed to production and a ton of things were overlooked. The power pole ready location doesn’t even let the rudder turn completely.
respect the opinion the only one that needs attention is the motor mount the rest is nit picking a very good kayak they all have issues
what do you think about the sportsman 106 mk. is it worth buying? I value your opinion. thank you
The 106MK is a pretty cool kayak. We’ve posted a few videos of it on the water. Depending on your type of fishing it will do great.
Thanks Nick, Spot On "Call em like you See em" Brother, We all Appreciate !
Thanks for placing the order this morning, sir.
I been thinking of getting one until I saw this review think I’ll go with the 120 pdl thank you
Thanks for watching, Evan. They are both quality kayaks but everyone’s need is different.
I ordered one but my primary use for it will be trolling. For trolling i think its going to be an improvement over pedal drive. If i ever get it! Ordered in march. Your comments about the square back end do worry me about fishing big water. When those big rollers start pushing on your back end going with a following sea it might push you around
i was at my dealer the other day and was looking a this exact model, color and everything, on the show room and noticed the hatch next to the seat wouldn't open. i looked over at the guy who works there and just shrugged. the kayak is a cool idea that serves a niche market. i'll be real impressed when they make a hybrid electric/pdl model
I look forward to it as well, Mike. I wouldn’t mind a motor but it needs to work efficiently.
Just saw on their website they have no plans for that. They don't want a model to be "ok" at both, they want two models to be great for what they were designed for.. 🤦♂️
This Kayak is not marketed as a off shore fishing kayak it more for rivers, ponds, lakes, Ect....
The kayak was marketed as the most advanced kayak ever in which they showed it fishing offshore and mentioned it being saltwater ready.
Navarre Kayak Fishing | Florida Kayak Fishing ok I must have missed that as I don’t own a Old town kayak I have only watched videos on this brand....
Great review. It does get old seeing reviews from people who get them for free with only praises. I prefer to hear good and bad.
I do think that the biggest take away from your review is exactly as you stated. Its not for you. As well as the things you pointed out do seem to be rushed. I am currently researching more top tier kayak and am considering this one. However i am not looking to go off shore (currently), mostly inshore lakes rivers. Overall great insite i would like to have heard alternatives to this kayak with similar features from someone who does what you do.
Thanks for the insite. 👍👍👍
Thanks for taking the time to watch and commenting. It’s a cool kayak and gets the job done for a ton of people.
@NavarreKayakFishing subbed great channel. I may make trip to your side of the state and take a trip with you. I'm in Nassau County.
good review you right the only ones i see all all so good you have any on the hobie pa
We have not produced a review on the PA.
Great explanation. I as well care about one thing - catching fish. What’s your opinion on using this for a “relaxed” version of trolling for spanish/kings along the beach. I’m not sure my lady is up for doing an 8 hour day with me in another Predator. Is it practical to run lures/baits for a full day affair to get into macks? Or would you still stick with the Predator? As someone that fishes a lot as well, would you still pass this up to be more relaxed after two really long days out front?
Elias,
My biggest three concerns are moving it across the beach, launching/landing, and flipping it back over if anything bad happen.
As far as trolling/cruising around it would be pretty darn awesome and I’m sure my legs would appreciate the time off.
The first three concerns plus the battery needing to be charged following every trip is why I’m sticking to the Predator. I know you understand how much prep work goes into to fishing every single day. The Predator requires a few less steps for me.
@@NavarreKayakFishing 100% with you on the launch & landing. I do have the lucky mega smooth inlet launch available that skips the worst step imaginable for this kayak, and it's the only reason I am even considering adding it to my fleet.
So you just threw some dude's remote control😂?
I wouldn’t say it’s just some dude lol. But you’re right I shouldn’t have tossed it.
I have this Kayak and I'm not mad at you. Can't really argue with the points you made. I'd rather hear your honest thoughts than " Yes, Old Town did send me this Kayak for free to review but I am going to give my honest thoughts...and I love it!" For 5K....most people will say those three words. I appreciate the honest review.
Garry, thanks for watching. Overall, I think it’s cool system. I look forward to version 2.0.
Im fairly certain why you you see so many youtubers are raving about these is old Town giving them away like hotcakes...
So what your saying this is bad for use in sea water situations?
If you have to launch and land in a surf environment it is a bad option in my opinion.
This just makes my decision to go with my Sportsman 120 PDL's...thanks for your honesty Nick. I am loving the versatility of our PDL boats and have picked up numerous items from your website also...Sparky's Outdoor Adventures is going to stick with PDL's which our clientele have been very impressed with...it saves us $$$ since we don't have to register the boats which would have been the case if we went with autopilots...although that darn 120 AP had me close to pulling the trigger as my lead guide boat.
One big thing I know people don’t think about till they have it is charging everything every trip back and loading and unloading ALL that weight. I decked out my kayak that’s now for sale after one season just to get a pdl drive lmao
You have to experience the inconvenience though lol.
@@NavarreKayakFishing yeah I’m 29 and I’m in shape and it kicked my ass loading and setting up. I just saw these cool setups and wanted one but you hit the nail on the head. As a bass fisherman I’d rather just get a boat and the kayak be the quick and easy out the door option. The fun part is when the battery dies on a windy day and your left paddling a John boat against 30 mph winds that drag you a football field back in a minute if you stop 😂 I didn’t spend 6k figuring this out but I spent enough to warn everyone before you buy
Thank you for your honesty. Never compromise your values.
Thanks for watching, Sean.
You saying the pdl would be a lot better pdl 132
It depends on the fishery. If you have access to east boat ramps daily then it’s not a huge deal.
If you have to move it around a ton it’s a major concern. The little problems will get worked out in newer models.
Ive said it before and ill always say it. When it comes to fishing kayaks, pedal is king. If you need a motorized kayak, buy a john boat or boat.
Agreed. Simple stuff.
Only problem is actual boats are bigger profile, cost an arm and leg with NOTHING ADDED, then you need an actual trailer, good outboard...or another guy on here says just buy a bass boat?? Really? New ones run for $40,000 and used ones with aged, troublesome large motors are always needing repairs and are STILL overpriced, imo.
The truth is EVERYTHING boat wise is now expensive, relative to it's size, capabilities, e.t.c so I guess it's all opinion.🙂
Lucky I didn't buy one it cost $9000 in Australia I'm sure they have fix those problems on their kayaks now.
That’s an insane price tag.
@@NavarreKayakFishing probably the reason being is freight price etc the 120 is $8990 and the 106 is $5200 they have non in stock they are not sure if old town will import any next year to Australia
You could buy a bonafide and put the motorguide xi3 on bow and still come out ahead
I'll disagree with this video completely. my opinion is this. if you want something light and easy to transport to and from the water, the AP 120 is not for you. but if you are okay with the extra weight, there's simply no other better kayak out there to fish from.
It’s completely regional - the video was made for people who planned to buy it and take it offshore kayak fishing. I assume you missed that part.
@@NavarreKayakFishing Idk man. I respect your opinion but feel like you are knitpicking the crap out of a fantastic kayak (shear pin?). Just glad I bought mine before seeing this video. Your opinion would have possibly changed my mind.
The shear pin location isn’t a reason not to buy a kayak. Pointing out the issue highlighted a marketing gimmick that had zero practical application.
3 times and not washed off. Yeah...salt water rusts. You HAVE to take care of your equipment. 😅😂
Was this video sponsored by Hobie? 🤔
Ha! No, it was made to point out issues that would impact people who fish the same local waters as we do.
Shear pins and excess water in your “cup holder” ... really ?? 😂
It all comes back to a poorly designed/rushed product - which was the focus of the video.
Alex is going to be sooo upset ! he reviews these things
I appreciate the real opinion and criticism expressed here. Seems like most RUclips vids on these Old Towns are made by members of the cult of Old Town. This comment is not meant to disparage Old Town as I currently own a Loon 126 Angler.
Thank you for saying it brother!
Thanks for watching!
You are so right about everything, I think they should have kept the flagship Predator PDL and focused on redesigning the back to add a Minnkota. Many guys have done a great job customizing a hand controlled MinnKota to fit the back of kayaks controlled with foot peddles, that would have been useful for those long treks to your fishing hole. But I would not want to give up the control and stealth of my PDL, having both options would have made a great fishing kayak. They missed the boat on this one.
Everyone complains about the dry storage lid not slamming all the way open when they flip the lever. I have this kayak and love it so dam much. Pleas dont let that be the reason you dont buy it. It gets caught on the seat... So what.. just push it open. Its fine i promise
I've got a Sportsman 106 powerered Kayak coming and I got no problem with your opinion on their Kayaks... It is what it is. Thanks for this vid...can't wait to see what you say. After listening to you I agree with what you are saying and I believe you started off right, they are not for everyone.. But there are lots of different people with different physical abilities and needs. I have no thought of taking the kayak off shore... Lots of inshore and lots of Freshwater. I don't agree with you on the Spotlock. You are going to have a hard time finding someone who doesn't like spot lock and no one in their right mind would not buy a spot lock yak and put in a power pole on it. My 106 will not have spot lock. . I'm one of those old guys like the couple you describe, ha. Not everyone is a 6 ft young buck..You made some very valid points and presented them well. I think there does seem to be some silly things like the tool and the pin, the cup holder and the way the area under the seat doesn't drain. I've seen those things mentioned from others. I am subscribed to your channel now. thanks for a great vid. Oh, and yes I have a Lithium Ion Polymer battery... weighs 14 lbs 12 volt 100AH and they are getting tremendous time and distance on the water. Lets hope OldTown watches this vid and takes some of this criticism constructively. Thanks again.
How’s the battery life? All day fishing in normal conditions?
Battery life has a ton of variables. There are some great videos showing the ins and outs by Spilt Milt Productions.
@@NavarreKayakFishing yeah I know about all of the variables. But average day of fishing, moderate wind. I mainly fish lakes now so should last a lot longer then ocean
What kayak do you prefer instead
Several. Mainly the Bigwater 132 PDL
Sounds to me like you bought the WRONG kayak for your use. Everything I've seen these kayaks are use by inshore fishermen.
I kayak fish a variety of waters for a living. The review was to stop people who live in this area from buying a kayak they wouldn’t enjoy.
I appreciate your honest opinion. I was looking into a few different brands. This helps quite a bit. Very valid points you have.
My man just tore this thing APART will be sure to steer away from it and stick to the PDL
I just bought one !!! 136 Autopilot! Most awesome boat really !!!
I am sure if you traded my 66 year old hips and knees for yours you would change your mind!
Just saying , its coming young man
There's a catfishing channel I watch, where the creator was given a AutoPilot Sportsman. He is about as blunt of a person as you'll find online and one of the few that will tell the audience he got it for free. He was brutally honest in his review of it...he pointed out several other things that you didn't mention that made me iffy on it. His video and yours here, should make Old Town go back to the drawing board and hopefully make some much needed countermeasures and fixes. He actually has ran into issues with the motor itself...Old Town has sent him a couple new ones, so either he is really unlucky or there might be an issue with the motors. I can't figure out why a 45 lb thrust trolling motor can't move a kayak faster than 3.5 to 4 mph. I can pedal faster than that. That, and the overall NOISE of the trolling motor was a big let down. The other area the other channel pointed out was how cheap the gear tracks are. He uses them for rod holders and said the factory tracks were buckling under the weight of his rods in rod holders attached to the gear tracks. He had to replace them to make them functional. Thank you for your video. This one and the other one by Kayak Carfish has sealed the deal for me on NOT buying one of these til the bugs are worked out.
I left out a few things because I didn’t want anyone to think I was bashing the product. It does have some room for improvement and I’m sure they are working on it.
Thanks for watching. I will have to check out the other video you mentioned!
ole Kayak Catfish..... LMAO..... Im in Knoxville.
This kayak has the potential to really be the very best kayak on the market, but all the cons you named are real and so dumb.
I disagree with it being tough to paddle, it's not a racing kayak but it's much easier to paddle than price comparative like Hobies (Imo). I also disagree with it being tough to launch, I easily roof top it on my SUV and carry it on a kayak kart.
I own a 136 and I love it but my fishing style is a bit different from year I fish marshes and grass lines and back lacks and I feel this kayak excels in this type of fishing especially in super skinny water the spot lock is great the turning radius is next to none and even fishing the jettys I feel it is great I’m not gonna say it’s as good as a skiff because it’s not one it’s a kayak and I feel that it does what it’s intended to do
Great points from someone who’s actually fished out of one. It sounds like the 106 MK may be the better buy in regard to their MK offerings. Comparing both current builds at least... No autopilot on the 106 but same 45 lb thrust mk with less moving parts, easier operation and a true front hatch. This is a good example of why one might skip a 1st gen production of something. Let them work out the kinks and wait for the 2nd gen
Man, TY for this. 👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
I like all your feed back of review. I don't own one or plan to. I own a bonafide and love it. I fish mostly fresh water but been out mosquito
Lagoon many times without any issues. But if I were just fishing salt water probably would go with something more geared towards that. I feel you were disappointed with there product because you are exclusively saltwater fishing in that aspect I agree with most of your review. True the remote is not hands free but when you are standing and fishing you don't have to sit down each time to make a adjustment say when you working a grass line or flipping an area. You review was geared towards saltwater and not really an overall.
Exactly. The video clearly states why I wouldn’t use it and it was recorded for those who fish the same areas as I do.
I love true honesty regardless of other people's opinions including mine.Keep being real
Great video brother. Thanks for pointing out different issues. Like you said it definitely has its place and was built for a specific purpose. Like always we all enjoy honest reviews. keep up the hard work.
Thanks for watching, Will.
Thank you for this video. I was actually interested in one of these. I will stick with my hobie outback. I would still demo one, but the outback seems way better for saltwater fishing
The Outback is a great platform for going off of the beach.
Let’s agree to disagree here....yes there are some minor flaws that could be better. You and others make a big deal out of the cup holders that hold water. A bit annoying? Perhaps, but I have never put a drink in it that didn’t resist water from both sides. Yeti cup, beer can, water bottle? I am both a bass tournament guy and now fishing inland Florida. In NE Florida the tide changes 4 ft a day, this kayak is the bomb for it! I can enjoy fishing instead of fighting current and wind. I even tie my son up to mine so he don’t have to fight it and can actually enjoy fishing right along side me in his kayak. Lastly, you said the spot lock is not valuable because of the direction your fishing? Spot lock automatically locks you against the tide which is perfect for presentation right? While it was a very big purchase for me I could not be happier, enjoy my time in it as much as I do in my boat (also with spot lock) these days. Just my opinion for those considering it....
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Thank you for the honesty. Every observation you presented is very visible in other videos. Old Town should thank you. I going to buy from another manufacturer. Thanks again.
George, Old Town produces a quality line of kayaks. We use them every day for our charter/rental business without any issues. This boat has its place but it wasnt built for every situation.
Great review,why can’t engineers solve simple common sense issues??? please fix minor problems that can make a major difference!!! if old town ever resolves these issues,could u please post another review to let us know.i am planning on buying this model in 2022.God bless man,be safe
Will do, Glenn. Thanks for watching.
I'm still fighting this beast. Hired a trainer to get strong enough to handle this thing again after my health issues. I'm getting there. Also bought a Lunx. Meh!! The oysters down here in SWFL are chewing this thing to pieces. May add some bow tape on the bow and edges. lol. Guess I should have bought the Compass. I'm pretty sure it's necessary to order all possible kayaks to get ...."The One". Not that it matters but about the only thing I disagree with is that I don't consider spot lock a gimmick. I really use it down here with the currents and tides like they are.
Fishability, daym right! Thanks for posting this
Thanks for watching.
I liked this great video. I’m still not sold on it but I’m not gonna be in the ocean But I liked your opinion on this kayak keep up the good work sir
Thank you for your opinion
Thanks for watching, Ray.
I am so glad you had the honesty of calling it like it is. An overpriced and extremely heavy kayak that is not for offshore fishing applications. Thanks for your honest and unbiased review. Two thumbs up. 👍👍
Thanks for watching, Santiago.
Man I bought a 120 PDL after fawning over the autopilot for a year. All the things you said are dead on. For what I paid for the PDL it came with ZERO track mounts in the back like who the hell at OT thought that was a good idea really. So I had to add the yakattack rails. Other than that I can’t find a complaint about the 120 PDL. And I cannot I want to add a motor to this per One Objective BF. So this is a 3 for one yak that can be configured into what ever I need for the day. Just makes more sense to me. Also I’ve added most of. It all of your upgrades to it already and thank God I hated the steering knob that it came with.
Just remove the shear pin and put it in the dry box. Done. Non issue. Carry a sponge if you don't like water.
AGREE! Just go buy a Jon Boat or Solo Skiff and call it a day, would cost you less as well.
I have relocated. I miss watching you guys launch off the beach on my morning walks. When I paddle back to shore through the surf, I try to find an outflow so I can stay in flatter water and not get pushed from behind and turned. It does take some power and speed to succeed.
The size makes more sense than 120 . Seems to make more sense than the 120 . Faster , easier to steer.
Not that i am buying either . i bought a feelfree lure 11.5 7 years ago .