The Daily Show - Gene Baur
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- Опубликовано: 6 апр 2015
- Author and activist Gene Baur describes how vegetarianism and veganism can have enormous environmental and health impacts in his book "Living the Farm Sanctuary Life."
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GREAT interview.. I finally got it.. I have been bullshitting myself for too long. there is NO reason other than my selfish desire and greed to eat the flesh or fluids of animals.. I am really grateful for this interview I am committed to being Vegan from NOW ON!!! Wow never thought I would say it.. Who;s next??
So glad to hear that this interview had an impact!
BEAUTIFUL... so happy to hear more on our path...
Awesome dude! And Robin Hood, love the name!
Awesome! Welcome! Veganism has improved my health in so many ways. For a newbie make sure you watch the Forks Over Knives documentary (available on Netflix). It'll seal the deal for ya. :)
Robin Hood Vegan for the Win!
Just to reassure young parents, I have raised three sons on a plant based vegan lifestyle since birth and they are now in their 20's, still vegan and all enjoying great health.
hey there..can i ask u a quick question as u r a long term vegan..do u think b12 really makes a difference to health as a
vegan...or vegan diet is complete in itself and we dont even need b12?
also can nuts and seeds be consumed regularly on vegan diet or are they problematic?
Bless you
@@nisargab19 B12 is absolutely necessary, not just for vegans, but for non-vegans too.
@@nisargab19 Sorry, I forgot about the second question: nuts and seeds are extremely healthy, not problematic at all, they're full of healthy oils, vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and a great part of a healthy diet.
Veganism and Farm Sanctuary discussed on the Daily Show??? I can die happy and content now. WOW! :) :) :)
I feel so much more optimistic about life after watching this
Vegan Vrinda me 2!
if you think this video was good then you really should check this out.. RUclips search Animals Should Be Off The Menu - Philip Wollen.. its one goes for about 10mins. EXCELLENT SPEECH!
Being vegan has been the best descision I've ever made! I strongly encourage anyone considering it to give it a go! My best advice is to watch documentaries such as Cowspiracy and Earthlings, and also to learn how to eat properly. Plenty of wholesome, plantbased foods, and eating until you're full (you'll need to eat more on a vegan diet) and you'll be thriving :)
So proud of you Gene!
Brilliant share, The Vegan Peach! I'd heard he was going to be on and was wondering where to find this up here in Canada. You rock for making that search easier! *=oD*
Veganism is a movement that is growing by the second and cannot be stopped for so many reasons. Many people hate that fact, but it is a fact. Keep an open mind, evolve.
Why would anyone like to stop vegans?
I love you people, you don't eat my meat!
(just more meat for me)....
:-D
GorillaGuerilla Huh!?! If you like killing animals (by proxy) I can see lots of reasons for you to dislike me! It will get harder for you year by year to continue your animal abuse as laws change and prices increase etc.
Vegan Gardener continue animal abuse? he never said he was abusing animals. that is baseless conjecture
MrCor21 My mistake, paying someone to kill animals for entertainment is not abuse. Hang on a minute, so what is it?
Vegan Gardener he never said he paid for meat. maybe he eats road kill neither the death nor any abuse would be his fualt. maybe he humanely slaughters his own meat. but it seems u may be emotionally clouded in your argument. it seems u care for food beasts. i understand.
I really love Jon!!! He admits that a drastic change in life style would be difficult but he's open to the idea and thinks it is a good idea. And he was so respectful and funny. I wish more people approaches issues like him.
Exactly! I think many people make fun of veganism because they secretly know that it's rationally the best way to live... But of course: corned beef...
I heard he was actually a vegan. Is this true?
@@juliewake4585 Yes! Not only is he now vegan, but he owns his own farm animal sanctuary!
Fantastic message. What a time to be alive.
JamesDCherian Love that post, James! :)
+DrMango
This comment reminded me of a song titled "Beautiful World" covered by Raga Against The Machine
...for some odd reason
Very logical advice, actually. Healthier and better for the planet. Sounds sensible to me!
treehuggermc1 Except he's outright wrong on many fronts. Transportation exerts more CO2 than animal farms. Water usage for animal farms is not half of the world's water usage. Not even close. There is zero conclusive evidence than a vegetarian diet, across the board, reduces cancer risk or risk for other degenerative diseases. The idea that it can prevent Alzheimer's (a claim that Baur has made previously, numerous times) is absolutely false.
This guy is an idiot with no actual training nor knowledge in biology nor in human nutrition. The guy is a total fucking moron. Proof in point: if you want to talk about poison in a box, a good place to start is rice milk, which often contains enough arsenic that is not recommended to drink more than a cup per day. Yet this fuckup is freely recommending it as a milk substitute, which is very dangerous to do.
This guy is so wrong about so many things that it is mindblowing that Jon had him on and simply parroted this guy's dimwitted bullshit.Yes, meat consumption should be curbed, but going vegan isn't going to save the world and it isn't going to magically fix world hunger. For example, crop land causes higher rates of soil erosion than pasture land. A large portion of grazing land is not suitable, arable land for crop production, so you can't convert all grazing lands into crop fields. Then there's the problem with fertilizer runoff (which is even more problematic for organic because of the manure used rather than concentrated fertilizers.
This is not a simple issue and any one that tells you it is, is lying through their teeth.
OverbearingUrge Just to illustrate how full of crap Baur is on water usage: the average human uses 100 gallons of water per day. The average cow uses up to 30 gallons. There are over 7 billion humans. There are roughly 1.3 billion cattle. There are less than 1 billion hogs. Simple math shows that humans use much more water than ruminate farming.
OverbearingUrge Your own calculations are incorrect, because the 30 gallons per cow you quote do not include the water which is being needed to grow the grains and grasses which are to be fed to the cow, nor the water needed to process the meat, nor the water being polluted by manure. If you want to be critical, fine, but do take a good look at the numbers you are criticizing. And why you rudely insult somebody who is dedicating his life to helping animals is completely beyond me.
OverbearingUrge where are you getting your stats from?
OverbearingUrge You need to carb up, my friend.
"The one thing you can control is what you eat"
So true if you care about animals, the environment or your health, start eating conscientiously. If only one meal a week- it makes a difference.
I have to say the interviewer is well informed and open minded.
Gary Yourofsky - The Most Important Speech You Will Ever Hear 《------- RUclips this, changed everything!
Thank you Jon Stewart for doing this interview
Nice work, Gene! Great press for a wonderful organization ;)
Cocoa/cacao is extracted from beans, so chocolate is vegan, and a mixture of chocolate bars is a salad. I can get behind that.
You're kidding ?
William Garcia Yes William, yes I am.
Frank Castle lol!
Fantastic interview, well done Gene Baur! We can all make a big difference to the world by choosing vegan and making a big difference for the animals, world hunger and saving the planet. We have changed from heaps of meat, dairy and eggs to a Vegan diet and never felt better, you can do the same :).
Just picked up the book yesterday --it's fantastic.
It's good to hear that it really is getting easier to go vegan. It's the solution to many environmental and health problems.
+Li-San Loves Yes, but most importantly, going vegan saves countless animals from horrible suffering and death. Animal agriculture is also the leading cause for the mass extinction of species which is going on right now!
sky blue That's true.
love it!!!!! we are getting the message out there, it makes me very happy :)
He's my new favorite activist. So sad i am just now learning about Gene.
Seems like a good guy. Started a good program.
John's my hero!
Must not get in veganism debates in the comments. Must not get in veganism debates in the comments. Must not get in veganism debates in the comments.
Gene Baur is my new hero. What a dude.
Great book - Living the Farm Sanctuary Life.
Thank you, Jon!!!!
One question... what to do with the chickens, goats, cows and pigs etc? It cannot be a hard cut over... but if you reduce it by 75 percent this would greatly help... and then the farmers need to gradually reduce growing new animals and move to growing other foods
Stephen Cotton That's not possible for many livestock ranchers. Much of grazing land is not arable land, so livestock ranchers cannot convert their land to growing crops. Baur completely ignores the massive economic catastrophe that would happen if his plan were to be implemented. And not so much for the USA ranchers, but the ranchers in Guatemala and many other poorer nations that rely on cattle exports for financial stability.
Thank you, Gene, for your compassionate and advocacy. Go vegan!
The dude reminds me of Chris Traegger from Parks amd Rec
I love you
You are my favorite. Ever. I mean it. Stay awesome. Please. Never change.
Joy Chipidza And all the Ron Swansons of America will hate him
ViljarPvP Nate LaBenz at the risk of looking like total idiot cause these comments may not be directed at me, thanks you guys. You are super awesome too!
Gene Baur is a great inspiration!!
Logic and rationale will always triumpth
and here's John, all these years later having his own sanctuary farm. 💖
Everyone eats 80% vegan already. Just take out meats and dairy and you're 100% vegan.
All you have to do is drink almond or hazelnut milk and eat veggie/falafel burgers. What's so hard about that?
I think its a step towards evolution..I'm glad people come up with pragmatic solutions to move and evolve into better human beings :)
I went vegan 1 month ago and it is thee best move I have ever made in my life.when I found out what is being done to farm animals and really all animals even dogs It changed my life forever.being vegan is amazing and its the future.
+316lawdog Most vegans give up. Make sure you're able to stay vegan by following a vegan of 22 years with 310 entertaining videos :)
I don't believe that stat.and illnever go back to a diet of cruelty I'm far better than that.
+Gary High-Fruit CarboRaider
Shameless :P
I am so pleasantly surprised by these comments here, and there's like next to no dislikes, it's... I'm just _amazed_
It IS an easy transition to Become Vegan, then stay Vegan for life.
Varies from person to person, I would think. Pretty sure I couldn't do it, though I will say, there are more and better non-meat foods available and that does make me want to try to at least minimize my meat consumption. Balance it out a bit more, y'know? And yeah, vegetables are healthy, which is a plus.^^
OK, watch this while reading the captions.
No more vegan haters here. Guess the reasons and good arguments are too overwhelming for their snide comments or their rude and nonsensical arguments
humans are herbivores, of course eating plant based is better for us lol were not suppose to even be eating animal carcasses.
The closed captions look like they belong to a completely different episode.
Gene!!!
Going vegan was one of the best decisions I've made for sure.
For those who don't know- Some time after this interview, Jon Stewart not only went vegan, but now has his own farm animal sanctuary!
The captions are for a different video.
There is no need to replace meat... we don't need the texture or taste... is just a change of chip, the awareness of suffering
does anyone know how i would cite this video?
damn, I'm in love.
I got the book!
for the animals
Gene is a wonderful human being. I love what he does for animals, I’m glad he did what he set out to do and helps everyone. The man is an Angel.
TURN ON SUBTITLES!!! WTF
Watch: Gary Yourofsky - The Best Speech you will ever hear
3:15 your welcome.
Hero
Once we have vegan jerky, I'm in
WTF is up with the Closed Captioning?
all it takes is just some guts and will. when you change your habits it becomes natural to you. and later on meat starts to even taste ugly for you. oh and just a simple note - MAYBE ITS TIME TO STOP KILLING AND DESTROYING STUFF. and start caring. damn it.
What is this subtitle??
Trying to convince people to be vegetarian only hurts the actual debate. Factory farming is the issue first, not eating meat and focus is important. Also the soy farming has destroyed the rain forest just as equally as cows.
BombasticLove87 Soy farming has destroyed the rain forest because we are feeding cows with this soy... Stop filtering your nutrients through somebody else's body. It's illogical and irrational.
Go to those sources directly, fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes...
Could you perhaps show us a breakdown of percentages with links etc, etc regarding soy versus factory farming? Anything I've found shows soy to be to a lesser degree by a long way.
***** Moron, there is a reason why we humans have grown to love meat. It is because we get a lot more energy back from what we put in by digesting it(in comparison to grains,nuts,fruit etc.). It is far more illogical to waste energy by only consuming plants. Especially when we live in a society where only a minuscule % of the population has to grow the meat.
Not to say that there is no point to vegetarianism and the positives aspects of it where pointed out in the video. Your logic however is completely idiotic.
Capitalism I also thought so but I was wrong... At this age of information, it is sad that you have an prehistory comment. Do your homework! .
***** Haha, You are liking your own posts? Pathetic... Not to mention at this age of information you have chose to believe some mumbo-jumbo and not actual facts. Cellulose(and other fibres) is very hard to brake and there is a reason why herbivores have a totally different digestion system than humans. If you compare eating raw meat to plants then it takes more energy. But I should inform you that most people eat COOKED meat, which is a lot easier to digest than plants(be it even fruit or nuts).
Most vegans give up. Make sure you're able to stay vegan by learning from a vegan of 22 years with 310 entertaining videos :)
the main problem is processed food and sugar (which is added into 80% of processed food), i do agree veganism is more healthy but you can live perfectly healthy on REAL food
***** Sugar is everywhere. Carbohydrates are sugars. Starches convert to sugars when you cook them. There is nothing wrong with sugar and completely removing sugars from your diet can have severely harmful consequences. In fact, a sugar-free diet would basically be nothing but animal protein and animals fats, because fruits, vegetables, nuts, dairy products, etc. all have natural sugars in them.
We need more humans like Gene baur ❤
you could probably still have meat in your diet but, the way i see it is meat is a once every few weeks food, not an every meal food
Funny thing is he's vegan now:)
Animals. Humans are animals. If a lion kills and eats a gazelle, then humans can eat beef. Sure there is a problem with over-consumption and what Gene tells us is very useful and important but we cant just say STOP EATING MEAT but reducing our meat consumption sure is a great way to fight the problem.
lions tho
Lions sometimes rape and bite each other to settle fights. Does this means humans should behave that way too?
treebeard ancestors tho / canines tho / protein tho
***** OMG I can't believe I forgot the most important reason of all!!! Plants tho. ;)
sproutbliss Yes, all of those, but he used lions tho in his comment.
The footnotes on this video make no sense, must be from another show and distract obnoxiously from the true content of this show. Unfortunate because this is a super important show.
I like it but I'm not going to do it. But then I eat very little meat as it is. But I have had the farm experience, the old time farm experience and well, I'm not against eating animals. But I can go a month without eating any meat and not giving it a second though but when there is a bar-BQ I am digging in and digging in deep.
I would rather see animals raised on the old farms pastured on grass and living in the open air. The push to eat meat and the push to produce meat like it was product and not living animals makes me sick and is a blight and is destroying not only the environment and our health but is also killing our humanity. Too many people when they eat meat are not even conscious of the fact that it was once a living animal just like themselves but was raised in horrific conditions worse than a death camp.
I don't see a need to be vegan but I think every American needs to be aware of where their meat comes from and the conditions it must endure before being put to death for their dinner.
I know there is a lot of contradiction in what I say but the life I lead is far different than the average American and I AM aware of the industrialized meat production process and it must change for us to survive and to regain our humanity.
*****
I try to voice only my opinion on things like this, I know how I would like the world to be but I also know I am not necessarily the best authority. The best/worse I can do is hold up a sign and say "Am I right or am I wrong?"
But like most people I want everyone to agree with me. ;-)
Tom Leeds "I know there is a lot of contradiction in what I say but the life I lead is far different than the average American"
Sounds like an excuse if you ask me. :P
Lack of animal cruelty while they're alive is a step in the right direction, but don't you think it would be even better if we could stop killing animals altogether too? Imagine there was a human farm and that you and your family and friends were being raised in it for slaughter. Sure, they could make it as amazing an experience as possible, but at some point or another your friends and family are going to be killed. That's terrible. Regardless of whether their death was painless, you now have to cope with the SUDDEN death of someone close to you -- and when they're in their prime, too! It's not like a slow death where you can slowly come to terms with them dying. They're jarringly ripped out of your life.
And seeing how this video explains that animals develop relationships, death of someone close affects animals just as much as it would you or me.
Odima16
"Imagine there was a human farm"
There is, it's called the prison system - Yes, I think we should eat them instead.
But here is the difference that you have managed to ignore because it does not serve the point you are trying to make.
Most animals are blissfully unaware,kind of like christians. But they are unaware of their situation when on an old time farm with grassing pastures and a open barn to wonder onto to get out of the rain. They do not know they are being raised to be milked much less slaughtered for food.
I bet if you put Alzheimer patients in a nice place and told them every night before you put them to bed that you where planing to slaughter them for food they would be perfectly happy the next day as long as they had food and shelter and nothing to fear like wild animals.
So no, I greatly discount your opinion that it would be so much better if we didn't kill anything for food. I make no excuses, I like meat, it's yummy. But I am aware of where that meat comes from and I eat very little of it.
But please, show me a cow or chicken that would be happier out in the wild. I'm not saying that they are happier on a farm, I'm just saying that they would not be happier with what YOU call freedom because their minds don't work like ours, a fact that you neglect to mention.
Tom Leeds "They do not know they are being raised to be milked much less slaughtered for food."
While that's probably true, that's not the point I was making. Even people with complete lack of memory still experience some amount of loss when someone close to them is killed, even if they don't remember it. The fact of the matter is that that person can no longer spend time with someone that they usually spend a lot of time with and feel happier for it. That happy outlet is taken away from them. Just because someone doesn't have good memory doesn't mean their emotions aren't real or don't carry over beyond their memories. Ever feel sad and not remember why?
As for the "milked" part, you're right, but that's only if they are completely comfortable with the milking process, which is sometimes hard to determine. This is why bestiality is illegal -- it assumes that animals can't consent to things in the same way an adult human can. Now, whether or not that's entirely true I don't know (because there certainly are signs to tell whether an animal is happy or not), but it's still a fuzzy area that should be handled extremely carefully.
"But please, show me a cow or chicken that would be happier out in the wild."
We don't have to set all the animals loose after we stop farming them. We could place them in sanctuaries. And yes, I know you're probably thinking that we'd have to create way more sanctuaries to accommodate all those animals, and this is partly true. But once we stop intentionally breeding them as much as possible for consumption, their numbers will probably start to go back down to natural levels, so it probably isn't as ridiculous an idea as you might think.
Odima16 The problem is that I do not feel the same moral outrage. If I had my way I would close and dismantle every industrialized animal farming facility and replace them all with free range, open pasture farms. The number of animals slaughtered would probably go down ten fold and the cost of the meat would go up ten fold and that would further reduce the amount of meat the people eat.
But for me that is enough. Even though we are all animals we do not experience things the same way and comparing farm animals like cows and chickens to humans is not going to win you any points, at least not with me. The closest you will come is comparing a pig to a dog in the level of intelegence.
You are talking to someone who is keenly aware of the plight of farm animals, the majority of american haven't a clue and that is by design and by choice.
Rather than trying to talk people out of eating any meat try baby steps and encourage the reduction of consumption and push for changes in farming practices.
Humans are built to eat meat, we are omnivores and I don't see us giving up eating it, but there are a lot of ways to make things better.
i encourage everyone to become vegans, im not one but its rather in my interest for everyone to do that.
MrCor21 well I'll continue being one to save you and your future generations lives, then :)
The problem with all these cow and chicken lovers is that if we all stop eating meat, drinking milk, eating eggs, that there will be no use for these animals. Do you think farmers are going to raise cows and chickens for the fun of it? You can try and make farming more humane, but relegating these animals useless means they will have to fend for themselves in the wild and get eaten by wolves. Make their lives less miserable, but we meat eaters will eat meat no matter what.
***** So being an eaten by a carnivore is natural but god forbid humans give these animals a purpose, safe haven, food and then be eaten. Pigs are fairly useless, but cows and chickens are extremely useful in terms of milk, eggs, meat, leather. As long as we are not wasting their energy all is well. The circle of fucking life. If eating from the direct source is so important then why are their predators and prey when everyone could just eat plants? Only difference with humans is we have made it into a factory whereas carnivores just find prey.
Douche Bag In Name Only a purpose and a safe haven. If that is how you define those words I hope I'm never in a jam with someone like you
***** nicely put
Douche Bag In Name Only What did they do when slavery was outlawed?
Watched this while eating sloppy joes... It was unsettling
You can eat plant based sloppy joes. No need to stop. Just cut out the meat. There are plenty of plant based alternatives.
UNI BUST Fantastic World Foods has a great tasting meatless sloppy joe mix. They also make taco mix among others. Even my meat eating friends love them.
www.amazon.com/Sloppy-Joe-4-40-Ounces-Case/dp/B005TY1GIM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1428702320&sr=8-2&keywords=fantastic+world+foods
I eat vegan. But you're not going to convince me to not buy dairy products. It's delicious and healthy.
dzarko55 That's a dangerous mindset akin to an anti vaxer saying "I'm not gonna vaccinate my kids. No one can convince me."
Diego Magana not quite what I meant.
I drink / eat dairy products. They're delicious and healthy. If another vegan tried to convince me to stop drinking milk, I'd laugh at them. If someone found facts that showed milk is really unhealthy, I'd stop drinking it.
dzarko55 Harvard University ongoing Nurses study (for over 50 yrs) has shown dairy is directly linked to uterine and breast cancer as well as bone decay. They recommend consuming no dairy. They have gone against the USDA (funded by meat and dairy) recommendations for the first time in history. The link between dairy and disease is distinct and clear but you have to scratch below the surface to find it. If you are actually curious watch Forks Over Knives it is addressed there in detail. But it sounds like your mind is already made up so why bother?
Vegan M what are you on about? In going to look into the studies. Jesus, stop comparing me to anti-vaxxers.
My original argument was that no (vegan) argument could make me stop consuming dairy. Now that you've produced me something I didn't know about, I'll read about it and look more into it.
Feel free to look into it. Consider going to nutritionfacts.org. They have a channel here that covers numerous studies on milk including its link to testicular and prostate cancer as well. I never compared you to anti vaxxer!
Whenever i watch vegan advocates i usually get hungry and indignant.
I respect Vegans and stuff, but I love food too much to stop eating meat from animals. However, good on you if you manage to live without it.
meeeeaaaat glorious meeeewaaaat
First comment :)
Kelsey N. Kline A cookie? Can I have one? Can it be vegan?
Oh damn, and when do I get it?
Uhhhhhmm WTF these captions are completely racist?!!?!?!?
Really?
But isn't plants living being too. They breathe, they grow, they die, they reproduce and they move, slightly toward sunlight. Isnt it discriminating. Just because they're a different race, they get treated differently. They get step on and eaten.
TrueXD Yes that's true, they are living. I agree that vegans should take the possibility of plant sentience more seriously. The goal is a world with no suffering of any kind whatsoever including digital suffering and plant suffering. But the first most practical and effective step towards this world is veganism. Meat eaters kill a lot more plants than vegans.
But still, the science shows there's a 99.99% chance plants do not feel pain. Yes, plants can respond to negative stimuli in order to survive, but that does not imply actual physical pain or consciousness. Sound weird? Lemme explain. When you touch a hot stove, your instinct is to pull back. Although you like to think you pulled back after you felt pain, the truth is you pulled back and then felt pain. Similar kinds of responses have evolved in plants as a result of natural selection. Thorns, for example, are a defense mechanism against herbivorous predators, but is the plant actively and consciously protecting itself with these thorns? It is more likely a result of herbivores eating non thorny plants and leaving the plants with thorny genes alone (because they hurt), which caused the next generations of plants to have more thorns. Another example is the venus flytrap. Is the plant really consciously catching flies, or is it just a result of plants living in an environment where the soil was devoid of many nutrients dying, and the ones with a fly digesting mutation living and passing on their genes to the next generation? Another plant is the sensitive plant. I recommend looking that up and how it works.
I also recommend Unnatural Vegan's video "Is It Vegan to Eat Insects?"
Hope this helped.
Diego Magana Soo much written, anyway. There are theories that some animal don't feel pain. I forgot what they call, it was a long time ago when i read about it. This whole subject is ambiguous, i guess it all depend on ones beliefs. you could go all the back to, we are all children of the stars, animated or inanimate. or you can go with the Darwin survival of the fittest logic. There really is no wrong answer. It all depend on how each person interpret the meaning of life.
Yup. I think it's important to remain skeptical of the idea that all animals feel pain and are sentient. Sponges, oysters, and insects are most likely brain dead zombies, so I dont give them much ethical considertion. You could even argue humans don't really feel pain. That pain is merely an illusion that helps us survive. That we are completely driven by instinct. Life is a paradox and so mysterious that way. Which is why I get upset when other animal rights activist are so cocky. Everyone's just trying to do good.
Yeah but yeah know.... Salt grass steak house is looking a little lonely
but plants are gross :C
I can't wait until these idiots hear that plants have feelings too... "just because we can't sense the pheromones they release when they scream doesn't mean they don't!" The more you know the less the world makes sense we just need to stop factory farming and learn to balance our farming with what nature can support but we are in a weird part in human history where there's just way too many people and the only goal we can have is to expand our consumption to the stars i think. Go Team Science!
Defuntilheard *Some* plants have been shown to have a feedback mechanism where by they react defensively to external threats. This is different from sentient creatures with nervous systems and a complex brain chemistry that enable them to feel physical and emotional pain. To conflate the two is simply misguided.
I agree with you completely but we can only understand consciousness through the eyes of a human and you can break down that complex chemistry in the brain to the point where you can say even our social skills are defense mechanisms as well, so i understand i was reaching a bit there. I would refer you to David Eagleman's book incognito on this because i got no ground to stand on i just love meat and not a fan of any militant misinformed groups and i noticed a lot of dumb comments so i was hoping to troll a bit and wasn't expecting a smart response lol
I don't think Gene Bauer can be called extreme in any sense of the word. The tone, logic, and factual content of his comments all seem very sober and rational. He comes from a position of compassion for animals. He didn't condemn Jon Stewart for eating meat. By contrast, the meat industry, which plays a nightmarish role in global warming and keeps politicians from all political parties on a short leash, actively persecutes animal rights activists for documenting the horrific abuses in factory farms. When male chicks are ground up alive simply for being male chicks, when male piglets have their genitals ripped off without any anesthetic, when cows and pigs are imprisoned within tiny spaces, when pigs are thrown fully conscious in vats of boiling water, when cows are branded with hot irons while fuller sober, and when whistleblowers are silenced for documenting all of this horrific abuse by an ethically compromised judicial system, *that* qualifies as extreme.
Defuntilheard Someone recently explained to me that small insects do not have the capacity to suffer in the same way as a more developed animal despite technically feeling pain, owing to the way that they process the stimulus. As I believe in utilising science and reason to conclude my positions on morality, I'm happy to take this on board and adjust my view to not regard insect welfare as highly as animal welfare. If there was sound scientific evidence that certain plants can indeed suffer, I would take that on board and regard their welfare more highly. There is no such evidence, however, so it would be unreasonable to adjust my lifestyle to minimise harm to plants.
If you want to allow science to guide your reasoning, and you have a desire to reduce the amount of harm that you cause, you should consider what does and does not constitute "suffering", and adjust your consumption habits accordingly.
strange that every vegan i know is chronically sick in the hospital, frail weak with poor complections, but hey eat what you want. just dont open your mouth up about other peoples food!
johnmarstonlives It's possible if you eat poorly, just like people who eat bacon everyday and wonder why their body is failing before 40.
Whatever floats your boat but dont expect me to eat that fake meat. Living in a rural community I can say that the idea that we will give up our lifestock for that is laughable.
Sorry. I'm still going to eat meat.
+Aussie Jimbo Try watching Earthlings on RUclips, it may change your mind. You may still choose to eat meat but perhaps be more mindful as to where your meat is coming from. Why would you want to eat something that has been abused and treated like a piece of shit its entire life? Not to mention drink another animal's breast milk? Anyhow if you can make it through Earthlings without considering a different perspective, then I'd suggest seeking psychiatric help.