I unlisted the initial statement that led to this apology; if you want to see the context of it, click the link below AFTER seeing the apology: ruclips.net/video/iaSvxQsECoo/видео.html
It takes a big man to say this, to say it privately, man to man, and to say it publicly. We all need to repent, every day. Big respect to Bishop Farmer.
Thank you bishop Farmer for apologising to Fr Calvin Robinson, it was very humble of you to do so. Pride so oftentimes stops us doing the right thing, and you have done what is right. Fr Calvin is a very brave young man and has gone through so many ordeals at the expense of the church. We expect to be attacked from the world but to be attacked from brothers and sisters in Christ is heartbreaking. For people to walk out of the conference whilst he was reciting scripture is beyond comprehension. Once again thank you for apologising to him privately and publicly, it was the right thing to do.
@@peacengrease3901indeed. Whilst this is undoubtedly a win, I hope that this is more than mere damage control for Bp Farmer. I hope he begins to reflect on women in ministry and do some soul searching as to whether a denomination that started out as a refuge from TEC's madness should let the devil "take an inch"
That was a sincere, heartfelt apology. I commend him for the willingness to do this publicly with no effort to justify himself. This will only help matters going forward.
Beautiful. A perfect example for others to follow. Thank you Bishop for showing that it can be done! Can you imagine the healing worldwide if more prominent Christian leaders could admit that they are capable of making mistakes, seek forgiveness and reconciliation. This is the stuff of revival! Praise God!
Clergy so seldom do this. I don't recall an example of this from clergy before. It's what they're supposed to preach about, but even that is scarcely ever heard. I'm stunned. In a good way. Clergy admitting a mistake and being specific? This seems exceedingly rare.
We all make errors of judgement. But it takes a big man with a big Christian heart to make such an heartfelt public apology. And he did better than that! He apologized to Fr. Calvin Robinson in person. In this fractious and often disappointing life, such things are oasises of refreshment. Thank you Your Excellency! God bless you richly Fr. Robinson. Thank you LORD God!✝️
Well I am glad to hear an apology. As a member in the ACNA I was seriously thinking of giving up on the Anglican Church entirely and forget about even going to Church. Just sick and tired of all the religious B.S.
Praise the Lord, Fr Farmer. I don't rejoice in your apology because I don't expect people to rejoice when I apologise. You are loved by the Lord equally with everyone including me. Your apology is a reflection of your integrity and I love you as a fellow brother in Christ. May the Lord bless you. The matter is between you and Him. I shall look forward to meeting you with Him one day. What a wonderful inheritance awaits us.
@@barelyprotestant5365 brother is there a more conservative wing of Anglicanism that you could recommend - I am asking because I don’t prescribe to woman’s ordination and I’ve been looking into Anglicanism rather seriously the last year or so - I’ve been doing my research and listening to Sean Luke and Jonah and reading a lot. Any help would help thanks 🙏🏼
Forgive those who trespass against us, an apology is a good start …and relatively easy. Now show us ( or more importantly your relationship with Jesus) you mean the apology and repent by your actions……the venom in your sermon was not a spur of the moment outburst, but a culmination of thoughts and potentially words and actions prior to the sermon you prepared…….the actions you take now are key and I hope with The spirit you can do this as it urgently needed in the world.
Bishop Farmer, thank you for the humility it takes to try and make things right with a fellow brother in Christ. It shows your heart for God. I pray the ACNA stays true to the Scriptures and proclaims the true gospel of Christ.
Thank you so much Bishop Farmer for responding in genuine obedience to the Holy Spirit who used Scripture and the admonition of others to ask brother Calvin for forgiveness and declare your repentance and regret publicly; both to your diocese and to the broader Anglican community who were made aware of this incident from several public podcasts. Your words and demeanour demonstrate your genuine humility and maturity as a godly leader in the ANCA and the broader orthodox and evangelical Anglican community. Thank God and thank you dearest brother in Christ! ✝️❤️🙏🏻🔥🔥🔥🔥👍🏻
Now as an RC, I have an ecumenical mission for you to accomplish. Do you think you could go to Rome and teach Francis and show him what it means to be humble and convince him to apologize to those he constantly demonizes because they do not agree with him in spite of Francis own insistence that dialogue and accompaniment are necessary for a healthy Church? Francis seem to have a soft spot for Anglicans as we have recently seen. Mind you this will be far more difficult than apologizing to Calvin or even this graceful and grace filled apology on RUclips. Were I painting the ceiling of some Renaissance chapel with frescoes of the seven deadly sins, Pride being the first, Pride would be represented by a post VII Jesuit in full regalia. I was moved by your apology. You have walked the walk about what it means to be a Christian, a gentleman and a bishop.
Thank you Bishop for being what Christianity is all about. We know when we come to Jesus in complete humility He will for give us and the sanctification process continues 😃
I commend the bishop for not sneaking in any subtle excuses, as is so common in apology statements. Can’t say I don’t respect him for the manner in which he delivered this, credit to him. Let’s hope the others follow his example
Since I cannot see into another man's heart, I have to accept his sincerity at face value. However, the nature of the allegations seems like something that can't be fixed with a simple "I'm Sorry."
Could you suggest what might be a solution that goes beyond a simple "I'm Sorry" (although I think the Bishop asserts quite a lot more than this)? Do you even think there is one? I feel like if we can't accept the man's apology on the basis that damage has been done that may be irrepairable in this life, we bring in to question the whole matter of repentence and forgiveness.
@@Mic1904 I agree with you that any damage done to Fr. Robinson (or his professional reputation) may be irreparable. I am not sure what else could be done. It is more complicated by the fact that they are not in the same jurisdiction. Still it seems kind of hollow to say from the pulpit that another priest is under demonic influence, then just go oops, sorry my bad. I have no dog in this fight, but it just doesn't feel sufficient.
@@Booger414 I appreciate your thoughts and I'm not unsympathetic to them, brother, but if you'll allow me to be frank - the potential long-term, ongoing and even irreparable consequences of past sins simply has no place in the Christian's obligation (not optional) to forgive the repentant. Simply put, there's is no forgiveness, no repentence and no salvation that could exist in God's world if concerns about how 'your sins have really caused a lot of consequences' and 'this repentence just doesn't feel sufficient' were a part of how we were judged and how sin was dealt with. Unless we want to go down the Roman penance route...
@@Mic1904 I get your point, and in general I agree with you. This is an emotional issue and that is likely where any lingering uneasiness lays. While there is the commandment not to bear false witness, and that simple sin is enough to be abhorrent to God, as humans we tend towards setting levels of sin. This is probably rooted in not wanting to be guilty of more than a little trespass. However, t has the effect of causing us to see some sins as greater than others. This imperfection is why I saw the nature of the accusation as more serious. Perhaps it is not that the apology is too small, it is that the apology is irrelevant next to the repentance.
How about the bishop provide for Calvin Robinson a forum to articulate his position in 5 MAJOR parishes in his diocese. Such as: Orlando, Savanah, Tallahasee, Montgomery, Jacksonville. And especially the congregation where the statement was made. Transportation and lodging. That should suffice.
I only hope he uses this as an opportunity to repent of his enthusiastic "egalitarianism". It also shows that when conservatives kick up a fuss that the powers that be will also back off. It possibly helps that the ACNA was specifically founded as a refuge from the neo-Marxist joke that TEC has become.
I hope this is a sincere apology from a repentant heart but, unfortunately, it sounds more like 'damage limitation'. I've heard the truly awful and groundless accusations that were made in a congregational sermon. They were very direct and not "questioning". Farmer was clearly claiming Robinson was possessed by a demon (unclean spirit). His week biblical arguments for this were, somewhat ironically, more applicable to him in the moment he was speaking them. The reasons for the accusations? Well, it appears Calvin's adherence to God's word doesn't agree with Farmer's modern worldly thinking. Basically, he accused him of being demon possessed for standing on the word of God. Farmer wasn't simply disagreeing with Robinson or even calling him a heretic. I have no issue with someone calling out false preaching, sin or even satanic possession but Farmer is so wide of the mark here that it raises concerns about his decernment and position.
No, he did *not* accuse Fr. Robinson of being possessed. That term isn't biblical, anyway. He accused him of having no grace and no love in his speech, and of giving himself over to an unclean spirit. This may sound like nitpicking, but I believe we shouldn't import a different meaning to his words. If he had said "possessed," we could be sure that's what he *meant.*
Your apology needs to include what you did and said to him at the conference. You need to take the same path as Gavin Ashenden and stop being part of the problem.
Do you have knowledge of anything Bishop Farmer said or did to Fr. Calvin at Mere Anglicanism? He was an attendee at the conference, not the bishop who spoke to Fr. Calvin.
All fine to apologise to Rev. Calvin (not 'Father', because it's a title that Jesus said belonged solely to G-d - sorry, Calvin), and to the general Church Politic. If only others would do the same, recant and step down (Archbishop of Canterbury, the Pope, ect). However, one remembers what Jesus told the Pharisees when they accused Him of having Beelzebul in Him - anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit can *never* be forgiven - I never said that, your argument is with the Word of G-d. So, the question is: did Bishop Farmer actually do that? We can all vex and grieve the Holy Spirit, but to equate Him to an 'unclean spirit'? Though there is a counterfeit 'Holy Spirit', known as the 'Kundalini', it is the fruits that need judging, especially by G-d, and is one that often tempts and confuses Christians, especially during revivals (Todd Barclay, et all). Love and grace covers a multitude of sins, especially when one repents - changes one's mind and turns away from that sin - because we have an Advocate and Propitiation in Heaven who will speak up for us, Jesus Himself (1John 1:7-10) but does that disappear when we blaspheme the Holy Spirit? The plain reading of Scripture says so, and *we* cannot change it, despite our feelings and predilictions. One can come under the Law, and it doesn't care about those things, as the Epistle of James *clearly* lays out. Is this being legalistic? Jesus vigorously *warned* the Pharisees about the blasphemy, but actually didn't condemn them outrightly at that moment; so maybe, just maybe, there is a chance in this life to repent of and for that. But only one. And, yes, I could be wrong... Bishop Farmer had better be more discerning in future, but Scripture tells us, in 1 Timothy, that church leaders are going to be more stringently judged than the rest of us by the Lord at the Bema Seat. I often wonder if they forget that... Shalom.
Jus so you know .... Jesus was using hyperbole in Matthew 23 to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were for not looking humbly to God as the source of all authority and fatherhood and teaching, and instead setting themselves up as the ultimate authorities, father figures, and teachers!
@@marmeemarch7080 Not what I heard. You read my comment, so I won't repeat it. Even with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, Christians can be deceived and oppressed, but not possessed, by malevolent forces. This last is what was inferred. But as the Pharisees couldn't discern between, though knew *about,* the Ru'ach Ha'Kodesh of G-d the Father (literally the Breath of G-d, the Holy Spirit to us) and an unclean spirit, they naturally assumed the latter in Jesus, but in an accusatory way. We Christians should know better, especially as we are warned to make that mistake. Again, we judge - discern - people on their fruits, not on our personal feelings. We are judged by the measure we judge others, a tricky place to be. If Rev. Calvin is wrong, it will show. But he has not set a foot wrong,even though I don't think he should've joined the RCC, though I own that personal opinion.
@jm08059 - this doesn't seem to be a non-apology apology. For anyone else reading, that would be someone saying, "I'm sorry for your feelings," or "I'm sorry that you didn't interpret me the way that I obviously should be interpreted."
...so now you're a 'saint' cause you apologised to a brother standing up for scriptural truth? Christ is looking for a change of heart, not just a social media post.
You should be ashamed. As Reverend Robinson said-- you invited him for his "brownness" to speak on race. You were shocked to get a conservative who doesn't do DEI. You didn't do your homework before you invited him and then you humiliated him and set him adrift to find his own way home. You're not a Christian IMO.
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I unlisted the initial statement that led to this apology; if you want to see the context of it, click the link below AFTER seeing the apology:
ruclips.net/video/iaSvxQsECoo/видео.html
It takes a big man to say this, to say it privately, man to man, and to say it publicly. We all need to repent, every day. Big respect to Bishop Farmer.
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God bless him for apologizing publicly. That's not easy and he did it the right way, without attempting to justify himself.
Exactly right. Bishop Farmer has shown us all how adults and Christians behave
It takes a big man to apologize. To God be the glory!
A real public apology. Let it be an example for the church.
Thank you bishop Farmer for apologising to Fr Calvin Robinson, it was very humble of you to do so. Pride so oftentimes stops us doing the right thing, and you have done what is right. Fr Calvin is a very brave young man and has gone through so many ordeals at the expense of the church. We expect to be attacked from the world but to be attacked from brothers and sisters in Christ is heartbreaking. For people to walk out of the conference whilst he was reciting scripture is beyond comprehension. Once again thank you for apologising to him privately and publicly, it was the right thing to do.
This is the way to deal with something like this, short and to the point. Very honourable of the Bishop to do this.
Now just start a moratorium on women's orders and for Christ's sake stop pretending they're real priests.
@@peacengrease3901indeed. Whilst this is undoubtedly a win, I hope that this is more than mere damage control for Bp Farmer. I hope he begins to reflect on women in ministry and do some soul searching as to whether a denomination that started out as a refuge from TEC's madness should let the devil "take an inch"
Wonderful to hear words of repentence in this crazy dark world. The LORD bless you, Bishop Farmer !
That was a sincere, heartfelt apology. I commend him for the willingness to do this publicly with no effort to justify himself. This will only help matters going forward.
Beautiful. A perfect example for others to follow. Thank you Bishop for showing that it can be done! Can you imagine the healing worldwide if more prominent Christian leaders could admit that they are capable of making mistakes, seek forgiveness and reconciliation. This is the stuff of revival! Praise God!
I don't think I've ever seen a real apology before!
Apology accepted from me as a tiny part of the wider body! May God bless you for this and give you greater discernment going forward 🙏🏼
Thank you for this Bishop Alex. I must say I’ve been a bit disturbed, but I’m very thankful you made this video.
Clergy so seldom do this. I don't recall an example of this from clergy before. It's what they're supposed to preach about, but even that is scarcely ever heard. I'm stunned. In a good way. Clergy admitting a mistake and being specific? This seems exceedingly rare.
We all make errors of judgement. But it takes a big man with a big Christian heart to make such an heartfelt public apology. And he did better than that! He apologized to Fr. Calvin Robinson in person.
In this fractious and often disappointing life, such things are oasises of refreshment.
Thank you Your Excellency!
God bless you richly Fr. Robinson.
Thank you LORD God!✝️
We could all learn from this, much love from Hobart Tasmania.
Well I am glad to hear an apology. As a member in the ACNA I was seriously thinking of giving up on the Anglican Church entirely and forget about even going to Church. Just sick and tired of all the religious B.S.
Wow, just right, respect. Just what we need in the Church I hope I can be this honest when needed.
Much respect, Bishop Farmer. Thank you.
Praise the Lord for this! So encouraging!
God bless you for your apology It takes a strong man to admit when he has done wrong
This is what good leaders do. So good to hear this! God bless you all
It takes a great man to pronounce publicly such a sincere apology, which I believe is true repentance too.
Well done, that is such a good witness of how to put things right. Thank you.
Apologies accepted. May God bless you and your ministry.✝️
Wow praise God. I love when the body of Christ can be humble and have great examples of public repentance.
I commend you. God Bless you.
Humility & Repentance are Superpowers.
Thank you for showing such humility in your apology
Amen. The Lord be glorified.
Praise the Lord, Fr Farmer. I don't rejoice in your apology because I don't expect people to rejoice when I apologise. You are loved by the Lord equally with everyone including me. Your apology is a reflection of your integrity and I love you as a fellow brother in Christ. May the Lord bless you. The matter is between you and Him. I shall look forward to meeting you with Him one day. What a wonderful inheritance awaits us.
Wonderful. God bless.
Bless you for doing this. I know this will restore and help build people's faith. Well done and God bless you xxx
Well said, Bishop. Blessings.
Praise the Lord!
Nicely done. Im surprised, we dont see this much. Good on him.
Thanks for your humility
This is how it's done!
Good man, it’s difficult to our identity to apologies which in itself makes it a merit
Praise God - God bless this brother for being led to ask for forgiveness - it could’ve led to a needless split. We do not need the ACNA to split.
I largely agree; I think that the ACNA needs to repent of its acceptance of the heresy of women's "ordination".
@@barelyprotestant5365 amen 🙏🏼
@@barelyprotestant5365 brother is there a more conservative wing of Anglicanism that you could recommend - I am asking because I don’t prescribe to woman’s ordination and I’ve been looking into Anglicanism rather seriously the last year or so - I’ve been doing my research and listening to Sean Luke and Jonah and reading a lot. Any help would help thanks 🙏🏼
Thank you
Thank you Bishop- learning experience.
A wonderful apology from a Christian. All apologies should be like this, where there is no attempt at justification of the wrong.
well done Sir!! Leading by example!!
A Christian Act!... Thank you to this man of God.
The grace of Christ at work.
Ok good. Now when does the ACNA moratorium on women's orders and the episcopal commission on deconstructing feminism and cultural marxism begin?
Forgive those who trespass against us, an apology is a good start …and relatively easy. Now show us ( or more importantly your relationship with Jesus) you mean the apology and repent by your actions……the venom in your sermon was not a spur of the moment outburst, but a culmination of thoughts and potentially words and actions prior to the sermon you prepared…….the actions you take now are key and I hope with The spirit you can do this as it urgently needed in the world.
Thanku for letting go and sharing from your true heart 🙏🏽👍🏽
God bless Bishop Farmer (Ps.134:3) 😀👍
fantastic example of repentance, well done sir
A confession and apology do not equal repentance. Time will tell.
Bishop Farmer, thank you for the humility it takes to try and make things right with a fellow brother in Christ. It shows your heart for God. I pray the ACNA stays true to the Scriptures and proclaims the true gospel of Christ.
God Bless you
What the Bishop did takes some bottle.Well done to him
GOOD MAN!!
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Thank you so much Bishop Farmer for responding in genuine obedience to the Holy Spirit who used Scripture and the admonition of others to ask brother Calvin for forgiveness and declare your repentance and regret publicly; both to your diocese and to the broader Anglican community who were made aware of this incident from several public podcasts.
Your words and demeanour demonstrate your genuine humility and maturity as a godly leader in the ANCA and the broader orthodox and evangelical Anglican community. Thank God and thank you dearest brother in Christ! ✝️❤️🙏🏻🔥🔥🔥🔥👍🏻
Now as an RC, I have an ecumenical mission for you to accomplish. Do you think you could go to Rome and teach Francis and show him what it means to be humble and convince him to apologize to those he constantly demonizes because they do not agree with him in spite of Francis own insistence that dialogue and accompaniment are necessary for a healthy Church? Francis seem to have a soft spot for Anglicans as we have recently seen. Mind you this will be far more difficult than apologizing to Calvin or even this graceful and grace filled apology on RUclips. Were I painting the ceiling of some Renaissance chapel with frescoes of the seven deadly sins, Pride being the first, Pride would be represented by a post VII Jesuit in full regalia. I was moved by your apology. You have walked the walk about what it means to be a Christian, a gentleman and a bishop.
It takes a man with a big heart for God to apologise for speaking unwisely.
Wow. This is courage.
Thank you Bishop for being what Christianity is all about. We know when we come to Jesus in complete humility He will for give us and the sanctification process continues 😃
I commend the bishop for not sneaking in any subtle excuses, as is so common in apology statements. Can’t say I don’t respect him for the manner in which he delivered this, credit to him.
Let’s hope the others follow his example
Good. Now when does the moratorium on women’s orders happen?
We need more men like this
Since I cannot see into another man's heart, I have to accept his sincerity at face value. However, the nature of the allegations seems like something that can't be fixed with a simple "I'm Sorry."
Could you suggest what might be a solution that goes beyond a simple "I'm Sorry" (although I think the Bishop asserts quite a lot more than this)? Do you even think there is one? I feel like if we can't accept the man's apology on the basis that damage has been done that may be irrepairable in this life, we bring in to question the whole matter of repentence and forgiveness.
@@Mic1904 I agree with you that any damage done to Fr. Robinson (or his professional reputation) may be irreparable. I am not sure what else could be done. It is more complicated by the fact that they are not in the same jurisdiction. Still it seems kind of hollow to say from the pulpit that another priest is under demonic influence, then just go oops, sorry my bad. I have no dog in this fight, but it just doesn't feel sufficient.
@@Booger414 I appreciate your thoughts and I'm not unsympathetic to them, brother, but if you'll allow me to be frank - the potential long-term, ongoing and even irreparable consequences of past sins simply has no place in the Christian's obligation (not optional) to forgive the repentant. Simply put, there's is no forgiveness, no repentence and no salvation that could exist in God's world if concerns about how 'your sins have really caused a lot of consequences' and 'this repentence just doesn't feel sufficient' were a part of how we were judged and how sin was dealt with. Unless we want to go down the Roman penance route...
@@Mic1904 I get your point, and in general I agree with you. This is an emotional issue and that is likely where any lingering uneasiness lays. While there is the commandment not to bear false witness, and that simple sin is enough to be abhorrent to God, as humans we tend towards setting levels of sin. This is probably rooted in not wanting to be guilty of more than a little trespass. However, t has the effect of causing us to see some sins as greater than others. This imperfection is why I saw the nature of the accusation as more serious. Perhaps it is not that the apology is too small, it is that the apology is irrelevant next to the repentance.
How about the bishop provide for Calvin Robinson a forum to articulate his position in 5 MAJOR parishes in his diocese. Such as: Orlando, Savanah, Tallahasee, Montgomery, Jacksonville. And especially the congregation where the statement was made. Transportation and lodging. That should suffice.
I only hope he uses this as an opportunity to repent of his enthusiastic "egalitarianism".
It also shows that when conservatives kick up a fuss that the powers that be will also back off. It possibly helps that the ACNA was specifically founded as a refuge from the neo-Marxist joke that TEC has become.
It takes a big man to apologize, it takes a good man to not need to apologize for thus sort of thing.
Jesus cast out the demon, not the person.
It takes great humility to admit a mistake.
Alistair Begg can learn from Bishop Alex Farmer.
God bless ❤
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Thank you for publicity apologising to Calvin Robertson this the wright thing to do. You will be watched to see if your actions match your words.
Calvin richly deserves this apology.
Awesome apology, it takes guts, but I wonder if he should also step down from being bishop
Alex learned quickly that Calvin is BULLET PROOF !
Well, at least you have the stones to admit your mistake publicly. .
I hope this is a sincere apology from a repentant heart but, unfortunately, it sounds more like 'damage limitation'. I've heard the truly awful and groundless accusations that were made in a congregational sermon. They were very direct and not "questioning". Farmer was clearly claiming Robinson was possessed by a demon (unclean spirit). His week biblical arguments for this were, somewhat ironically, more applicable to him in the moment he was speaking them.
The reasons for the accusations? Well, it appears Calvin's adherence to God's word doesn't agree with Farmer's modern worldly thinking. Basically, he accused him of being demon possessed for standing on the word of God.
Farmer wasn't simply disagreeing with Robinson or even calling him a heretic.
I have no issue with someone calling out false preaching, sin or even satanic possession but Farmer is so wide of the mark here that it raises concerns about his decernment and position.
No, he did *not* accuse Fr. Robinson of being possessed. That term isn't biblical, anyway. He accused him of having no grace and no love in his speech, and of giving himself over to an unclean spirit. This may sound like nitpicking, but I believe we shouldn't import a different meaning to his words. If he had said "possessed," we could be sure that's what he *meant.*
Can’t cancel a black man in Charleston.
Please don't try to paint this as a racial issue. Neither man's race had anything to do with what either of them said and did.
Your apology needs to include what you did and said to him at the conference. You need to take the same path as Gavin Ashenden and stop being part of the problem.
Do you have knowledge of anything Bishop Farmer said or did to Fr. Calvin at Mere Anglicanism? He was an attendee at the conference, not the bishop who spoke to Fr. Calvin.
What do you know that the rest of us don't?
All fine to apologise to Rev. Calvin (not 'Father', because it's a title that Jesus said belonged solely to G-d - sorry, Calvin), and to the general Church Politic. If only others would do the same, recant and step down (Archbishop of Canterbury, the Pope, ect).
However, one remembers what Jesus told the Pharisees when they accused Him of having Beelzebul in Him - anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit can *never* be forgiven - I never said that, your argument is with the Word of G-d.
So, the question is: did Bishop Farmer actually do that? We can all vex and grieve the Holy Spirit, but to equate Him to an 'unclean spirit'?
Though there is a counterfeit 'Holy Spirit', known as the 'Kundalini', it is the fruits that need judging, especially by G-d, and is one that often tempts and confuses Christians, especially during revivals (Todd Barclay, et all).
Love and grace covers a multitude of sins, especially when one repents - changes one's mind and turns away from that sin - because we have an Advocate and Propitiation in Heaven who will speak up for us, Jesus Himself (1John 1:7-10) but does that disappear when we blaspheme the Holy Spirit?
The plain reading of Scripture says so, and *we* cannot change it, despite our feelings and predilictions. One can come under the Law, and it doesn't care about those things, as the Epistle of James *clearly* lays out. Is this being legalistic? Jesus vigorously *warned* the Pharisees about the blasphemy, but actually didn't condemn them outrightly at that moment; so maybe, just maybe, there is a chance in this life to repent of and for that.
But only one. And, yes, I could be wrong...
Bishop Farmer had better be more discerning in future, but Scripture tells us, in 1 Timothy, that church leaders are going to be more stringently judged than the rest of us by the Lord at the Bema Seat. I often wonder if they forget that...
Shalom.
Jus so you know .... Jesus was using hyperbole in Matthew 23 to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were for not looking humbly to God as the source of all authority and fatherhood and teaching, and instead setting themselves up as the ultimate authorities, father figures, and teachers!
Bp. Farmer never equated the Holy Spirit with the spirit that he said was influencing Fr. Robinson.
@@marmeemarch7080 Not what I heard. You read my comment, so I won't repeat it.
Even with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, Christians can be deceived and oppressed, but not possessed, by malevolent forces. This last is what was inferred.
But as the Pharisees couldn't discern between, though knew *about,* the Ru'ach Ha'Kodesh of G-d the Father (literally the Breath of G-d, the Holy Spirit to us) and an unclean spirit, they naturally assumed the latter in Jesus, but in an accusatory way.
We Christians should know better, especially as we are warned to make that mistake. Again, we judge - discern - people on their fruits, not on our personal feelings. We are judged by the measure we judge others, a tricky place to be.
If Rev. Calvin is wrong, it will show. But he has not set a foot wrong,even though I don't think he should've joined the RCC, though I own that personal opinion.
Got to ask yourself about just why you'd choose to pop at somebody you'd never met
You may have upsetted some people but you know not everyone agrees with everything
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Hmmmm
Is this guy an Episcopalian?
ACNA bishop.
Stop calling sinners 'father.' There is only one Father and that is God the Father.
This is a perfect example of a "non-apology apology" - just a CYA reaction to the deluge of complaints.
He literally apologized to Fr Calvin for his words. What more are you demanding?
@jm08059 - this doesn't seem to be a non-apology apology. For anyone else reading, that would be someone saying, "I'm sorry for your feelings," or "I'm sorry that you didn't interpret me the way that I obviously should be interpreted."
Bishop, would you please provide a context of your apology? This sounds vague, ain't it?
...so now you're a 'saint' cause you apologised to a brother standing up for scriptural truth? Christ is looking for a change of heart, not just a social media post.
Exactly. A confession and an apology do not equal repentance.
Well, only one of you can be right and true to scripture. I fear you are leading people down a wide path.
You should be ashamed. As Reverend Robinson said-- you invited him for his "brownness" to speak on race. You were shocked to get a conservative who doesn't do DEI. You didn't do your homework before you invited him and then you humiliated him and set him adrift to find his own way home. You're not a Christian IMO.
You're confusing Bp. Farmer with Fr. Miller, the host of the conference. Also, would you speak that way to his face?
@marmeemarch7080 Yes. Yes I would.
It's ok. The ACNA isn't a real church anyway.