Shanghai 1947 in turmoil
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- Опубликовано: 20 янв 2025
- After the war the city was in turmoil as will be explained in this film. I arrived two years after this film was taken, in Hong Kong. By that time communist troops marched into Shanghai.
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When I arrived in Sept 1949 my bank manager just had a telephone conversation with the manager of our Dutch branch in Shanghai who reported seeing Mao Zedong's troops march through the streets. So even in 1949 there were foreigners there who apparently were allowed to leave.
MichaelRogge Of course they were allowed to leave as the Communists did not want foreigners to witness the 30 million people who were regarded as a threat to their brutal dictatorship murdered .
Bruce Burns 呵呵
Some foreigners never left China. Some of them survived the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution and are still living in China today.
@sangey tsering Do you know the slaves in Tibet?
Bruce Burns Murders exist in your imagination.
Served with the 14th Air Force-Flying Tigers. At wars end, flew from Kunming to Shanghai. For a moment I thought I arrived in NYC.
Marty Oxenburg my hats off to you, sir.
Thank you very much, sir!
respect, sir!!!
Thank you for your service!
From Shanghainese, wish all the best for you!
Love the sense of excitement and enthusiasm in the voice of the American narrator! Thank you Michael Rogge for sharing!
He's probably paid by the Chinese Communist party to say this
Shanghai and Hong kong were even before the war preferred tourists sites. But a cruise was costly at the time - so few had that unique chance. Some Americans toured the Far East and made films which they showed in a lecture circuit - very popular at the time - in the USA. In the late fourties wealthy Chinese businessmen emigrated to Hong Kong. With their capital they started industries in the British Crown Colony and brought welfare.
MichaelRogge thank you for uploading these videos!!!
MichaelRogge history.thank you
Shanghai was far more better than HK before 1949, but failing after that.
Shanghai is my hometown and Hong Kong is my second home. I love both.
@@frank7007 Of course
I visited Shanghai last year. Such a big difference. Thank you for posting this footage.
pst- every city in the World has such a big difference compared to 1947.
@@mtlicq Not necessarily. Check cities in the UK. very much similar.
@@mtlicq Not the US, they can't afford to change.
@@kickyouinhalf Especially in USA and Canada, cities have changed astronomically since 1947
compared with Italian cities, that will have big contradiction.
Thank you so much for uploading. These videos are precious.
My parents met in China, Married after the war, and two eldest siblings born in Shanghai. Pops was with the 14th USAAF , ATC. 1344 AAFBU --Hump Pilot and Warrant Officer based in Kunming. 1943-46. Mom was OSS support staff w/ Averell Harriman, et al. Western China and Shanghai 1944-46. After they both "mustered out" in 1946, they relocated to Shanghai and Pops was in Import/export business and legal Practice. Mom and Sibs left in Feb 49; Pops in November 1949, when the Commies took over Shanghai. Moved back to Nebraska and started over, had more kids, etc.
pilot of fly tiger ?
Thanks for this video with audio . Really great reflection in 1940s
My city. I cry for my grandparents.
My late father and mother lived through that era. I cried for them too.
maybudha my hometown
侬好
Very precious video. Visualized what my late father told me about the Shanghai he grown up in.
Didn t many of the shanghai-businessmen move themselves and their business to Hongkong after 1949??
Correct
Ironic isn't it.
Capitalists that were KMT members or supporters preferred relocating to British colony of HK --- instead of moving to TW.
They did, which is how Hong Kong managed to develop so well. the capitalists and industrialists supplied the capital and talent.
They did. There is a considerable Shanghai/Wu population in Hong Kong. Many famous Hong Kongers are of Shanghai descent, the director Wong Kar-Wai included.
Viva the Revolution!
Thanks for sharing. I now live in the beautiful city of Shanghai
Best city in the world!!!
@@misteral1083 lol
@@KukaKaz No, really, it's fantastic!
shanghai 1930s and now is beautiful
The description given to this Shanghai is very similar to the description given to Saigon in 1967
Viva the Revolution!
my grandfather owned a paving company and built bunkers in the area of Shanghai. HE was hunted down by the Mao communist and fled to Hing Kong with help from his Mafia cohorts. 2 years later paid for for my father and family to Hong Kong. The driver took care of my father and uncle during that time grandpa ran. he said he always carried a gun lol
Sorry for your grandfather, from shanghainese
Very industrial people still! Great video! 🇺🇸
Very interesting, thank you for sharing this footage.
Fantastic reportage
Do parts of shanghai in this video still exist?
many thanks @michael rogge
Thank you for your upload films. Do you miss Hong Kong?
Wonder if there are any historical videos of Wong FeiHong the great martial artist from China.
Thanks for uploading this. Could you tell me who shot this footage?
very precious, thanks. look forward to more
懐かしい❣️
I fell that Shanghai was a very good place for business in the past.
Still is
Thank you very much for such valuable footage!
这些影片都是多得洋人拍摄我们才可以看到旧时的上海和香港。
still look so modern in the past
1947 is not that long ago. Many elderly people today lived during that time and are still with us. 1947 is still within our parents generation.
Interesting and worthwhile video. Amazing how far China has come within a few decades.
And now they are going backwards but the propaganda doesn't want you to see that
what? look at the shoes 7:51
fake video for sure
proof illuminati exists
time traveler!
@@LaiPt Nope, it's a classic model of sport shoes from 1940s.
tf
Really in turmoil comparing to the booming 1930s before the Japanese invasion!
Very much same due China was under whitemen hand and feet, lot worse than Japan due it has technology and factory to make economy going but whitemen control had little industry or factory to make lives better but war, exploitation n high tax for them. Look at economy control by Japan before now lot more prosper like Manchurian, Taiwan and south Korea, but not Philippines Malaysia Vietnam, Peurto Rico Panama and Africa, as poor as hell. Well, Hong Kong and Singapore due lot rich Chinese moved there, duh especially wherever Chinese live very prosper due they know self employed, create business job wealth culture, technology etc...
@@yuegonghuamei6685 well said
Educated letter writers! Amazing! 🇺🇸
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City of Confusion ???? Would they say the same thing about NY, because there also is a lot of activity, hustle & bustle, people coming and going, trade, hard workers, wealth and poverty, and leisurely pursuits
Uhhh, it was probably a city of confusion because of the massive wars that had been going on at the time.
Did tourist came to Shanghai and Hongkong, so close after the war???
rich people fleed
Last light for Shanghai
…was this just before Mao pulled the plug?
Yeah Mao declared the PRC in 1949
its 2019. . and amazing how China from here to todays 2nd largest economy in the world.
They wasted at least 30 years in-between. South Korea was on the level of Uganda in 1958...
@@CrazyLeiFeng lol. . . We are talking about CHINA and not South Korea. Stop drinking to much Suju.
@@goinbulilit3846 This comparison is to give an example of how much time PRC wasted after 1949....
It wasnt wasted. Everything happens for a reason. Life experiences are the best teacher.
@@goinbulilit3846 It was wasted. They reverted to the market economy with even more corruption than KMT back then and CP wishes it could be like the old KMT without its red past.
When grandparents in their kindergarten, I actually very want to experience the period from 1910-1945, if I have a time machine
GREAT VIDEO
4:15 stealing from the Army supplies did not start from the Iraq War.
I see many of these same types of scenes, human labor, waiting and sleeping on streets to get into the hospital, and overcrowing on all modes of transport to the point of danger, old people working into their 80's to survive day to day, street food....all in2018 in parts of the Far East and here in Vietnam.
Because China exported the communism venom to Vietnam. So are Cambodia and Laos. If the Americans had won the war, Vietnam would have become another Taiwan. Thank heavens that Hong Kong and Taiwan were 'separated', South Korea was spared, Malaysians and Singaporeans defeated the communist elements at home, or else, when China decided to open up to develop its economy, there would have no Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore to assist them. Also, Mainlanders have also found better-paying jobs in Malaysia despite taking up labour-intensive jobs the locals shun. If Malaysia and Singapore had fallen into the hands of the communists, they would have become another Vietnam or Cambodia.
@@ktkska8886.nah
@@ktkska8886 cannot agree more!
@@ktkska8886 Dude, China in 1947 was under the KMT government, the arch-enemy of Chinese Communism. Shanghai in particular was a center of power for both the KMT regime and foreign powers. If anything, the Communist takeover resulted in dramatic improvement in health and literacy across the country, and eliminated prostitution and homelessness in cities. There's a reason hundreds of millions of ordinary folks still revere Mao (instead of any other Chinese leader), because despite failures and disasters that did happen, overall, Mao was a huge step forward for the Chinese underclasses. For that reason alone, the current Chinese regime could not simply abandon the symbolism of Mao.
@@larshofler8298 Ask him what the Philippines is like now? Isn't the Philippines a US colony? Ha ha. The countries he mentioned are all carriers of Chinese culture, and they are all very hardworking. like China now. If it is not because of China, the fate of these countries will only be harvested by the United States.
I have been living in Shanghai since 2014. The best city I’m the world, very beautiful, clean, international, developed, convenient , etc.
In love with this city💜
Sometimes, I really think there is a gap between different nationalities, let alone race
How do you like it now?
Backbreaking laborious efforts which skyrocketed the status of modern Chinese today!
No, Mao brought all of this industry to a stop
@@DeclinedMercy 👍👍👍
Viva the Revolution!
上海市民的精气神还不错
I notice at the end, seems among the lines of people moving out of Shanghai men in worn out army uniforms
I suppose those were part of the "Years of Humiliation".
Very valuable footage. Thanks for sharing. I left Shanghai some 30 ys ago, but can't return, 'cos Shanghai is now too expensive to me.
1:31 那个肌肉劳工绝对比现在健身房练出来的强好几倍
Very different situation in 1947
I watch this shit when I'm stoned trying to pick out time travelers
Actually there’s knot in Chiangkaishek’s heart, he don’t know how the depression come so quickly after war ends, when turmoil ends nobody except what will come next, and Marshall reached a deal with Maozedong secretly to end Chiang’s reign
These scenes remind me of India today.
Lol man
謝謝！
This remembered me the book "Chinese Cinderella"....
Kind of amazing how 1947 America was prosperous and China was poor. Today, in 2023, we the see the opposite where American cities are a mess and Chinese cities are prosperous.
滯納豬差不多得了
About 600 million people in China make less than 150 American dollars a month shows how prosperous the country
@ I’ve lived in both China and America in recent years. You seriously need to visit China and see their rising standard of living.
You won’t see any homeless beggars on the streets in Chinese cities. Everyone is respectful, well dressed and nobody is starving.
Meanwhile here in the states, there are homeless everywhere, drugs on the streets, urban food deserts, and in most regions of America you cannot even survive on $100k/year. Meanwhile, an increasing number of Chinese in China live an upper middle class standard of living with only $60k/year.
积贫积弱，从70多年前的影像客观反映出来。制造业和物质繁荣、国家军事外交强大与现代化，21世纪注定是中国世纪。
I asked because I saw some westerners in Ricksha in this film with westerners...must have been travellers..I think that westerners started leaving Shanghai after 1945..the old times with concessions were over what I read..some of the western taipans continued their lifestyle in Hongkong after 1949, no???
Tack!
十年后，我父母出生了
good video !
Looks like today's India
CCP in occupied Hongkong (1997l and then Macau (1999), history repeats, those terrible horrifying scenes back in 1949, the peak of human suffering!
Even a lot of citizens in Macau still love CCP.
wow....
My city
if you watch the view you can know why kmt lose the war.only minority gentleman abd,woman living a high quality life. most people even far from modern society.,1947 shangai is far from 1900 london and new york
Thank you so much Mr.Rogge! Look back of what China was and more appropriate what China’s achievements today. 👍👍👍
Planet Earth did went through a fiery birth and here we are. Similarly, and many other countries alike including China, they went through painful pangs of birth before they are today. Think Palestinians are going through a difficult birth also and will see lights at the end of their present dark tunnels.
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I am a Chinese and feel pity for the most of Shanghainese after 1949, the Commurists took over. Between 1949 and 1979 Shanghai actually was a dead city, everyone was so poor! They must have hated the communist party very much! That’s why everyone in China wanted to get out of China as soon as possible in 1980s and 1990s. So Deng Xiaoping had to change the way of leadership, otherwise Chinese people definitely would throw the party away to the Pacific Ocian.
The success of Deng Xiaoping was born from the meeting of Zhou En Lai with Henry Kissinger and then Richard Nixon in 1972. Mao's cultural revolution had dragged the country down to the ground, Zhou and many party veterans including Deng knew this but they dared not do anything while Mao was still alive. The concept of Shenzhen was presented by the Americans in the 1972 meeting, a concept that was picked up by Deng after Mao's death. When he started changing things, people thought he had gone mad. Remarkable history.
充满了迷茫与差别的中国，今天又与1947年有什么区别呢？一方面是节节攀升的生活成本令大众痛苦不堪，令一方面又是全世界望尘莫及的奢侈品消费大国各种官富们极尽豪奢。
别了，司徒雷登。
@@王雨东-p3y 不能因为这次的表现而骄傲，武汉初期人民表现出的奉献精神和集体主义其实与共产主义没有什么干系，中国的人民是英雄的人民，但中国还需要英雄的领袖。
450mil in 1947 to 1.4 billion in 2018 crazy
Not at all, world population growth is a little more higher than it in China.
släktklenod
MichaelRogge thank you
Thank you for posting!
珍贵
最近爱因斯坦歧视中国人的日记公开了！虽说确实言词非常冒犯！但是当时的国人确实也是这样！现在生活水平好了，对比89十年代，中国人的面貌也发生了很大变化，相信未来会更好！😘
我的天！！看我发现了什么！！！7:51秒--1947年的一个普通中国人穿着匡威经典款帆布鞋！！什么情况！？ 😂
@@davidchen1496 吃你的核食，喝你的塑胶水吧，呆湾。
@@smileyes5007 塑胶水。哈哈。据说湾湾的丁丁现在只有1寸了？
看到了，还有穿草鞋的，穷呀！
现在上海也差不多这操行。人民什么都不知道，我说的是什么。说封就封。上海根本不是一个城市。
47年上海还没乱？那一捆一捆的纸钱象擦屁股的纸。
看过新版的人民币一块硬币？
I am a Chinese, and I will not be sad for the collapse of kmt. It was they who sent themselves into the abyss. If they attach importance to the people's livelihood, they may be able to persist for a longer time.
KMT never collapsed, it's alive and well in Taiwan
KMT fought the japanese while the communist took over as the KNT were distracted. Mao even thanked the japanese because without them he would have never been in power. Mao said that himself. He was a coward and never had interest for the chinese people.
你们看街上，没有交通线，秩序比现在还好
你是瞎还是傻？或者又瞎又傻？
我在越南胡志明市过马路不用看车，车自然闪我。如果你去过越南胡志明市或河内，在RUclips 看看他们的交通有多拥挤，单秩序比中国好。
你怎么不说一下底层人民的生活
xi chen 这时候的人没有进行赤化教育自然素质高些。百年前的人素质高过现在赤化中国人没有什么大惊小怪的。我舅舅当年也是文弱知识分子经过赤化教育后在文革武斗中奋勇杀敌斩杀多名敌寇，让敌人闻风丧胆。
chi luke 真夠丟人現眼的，滿腦子意識形態，說實話，明白人都知道你不過是受過傷害心理陰影或是別有用意之人，於事實和道理無關。
Viva the Revolution!
1947 and 2022 Shanghai.
8:12 mauzer prc 50 😎👌
It was the Paris of Asia at that time. People had freedom. That was a very anti Chinese film from the west, I must say.
俺好像有看到
咱祖奶奶在逛街
the fate of Shanghai was sealed.
1947 lúc đó thượng hai là của quốc dâng đảng
in india now mostly the people still live like this imagine that lol
3:42 上海中产的气质。
🖤⚪
没有毛泽东，现在的中国是更好的
Chinese dollar really
上海滩啊。
Kind of weird. These people are all dead now.
對於那些想黑大陸為反對而反對大陸的歷史螻蟻來說，總是會找到藉口的，不管是酸是苦最後都是默默自嘗，唾面自幹，也只不過是為了滿足個人扭曲的心理而非關心人民的利益。膚淺狹隘毫無理性，雙標和預設立場再配合民主自由的幌子，堪稱完美套路，真相和真理已經不再重要。
時間會說明一切
你住在大陸那一省？
Some day, you will be CCP’s victim also like those other more than 50 millions!
how many japanese were killed in Shanghai? lol
影片中的人幾乎都上西天了，除了小孩
looked like India back then before the Communist revolution
May democracy and freedom bless China and free the people from the shackless of communism and authoritarianism.
我他妈用你bless?
Global Event世界大事 哈哈，硬核回复
The Great Leap forward was only 10 years around the corner. Most of the faces we just saw will either be dead from starvation or thrown in jail never to be seen again.
上海滩
那时是“朱门酒肉臭，路有冻死骨”，现在是“中国人民已经站起来了”
那时候还有一部分人富，大跃进时代全国都穷，农村饿死一片