Install and Review of Engine Case Guard from Traxxion Dynamics | Cruiseman's Garage
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Another great video. A tip to anyone doing work yourself, if you have difficulty finding the right FEEL when assembling things and find that too often you over tighten bolts and strip the threads, use the right size socket wrench for the job. An example would be in this video when tightening down the underside small V-head screws, use a 1/4" socket wrench, not a 3/8". The smaller the bolts, use a smaller socket wrench where you cannot get the overpowering torque that will cause trouble and ruin your day.
I've added the cover to my 23 Goldwing and following the instructions to the letter went on easy, and after the installation, there were no leaks of any kind from the case of the engine. Good job done by Traxxton for building this heavy duty cover.
I installed this engine guard case 2 weeks ago. Traxxion's installation video was very beneficial for this rather simple installation.
Thanks Chris! Great video as always. I ordered the Traxxion Dynamics Alcan plate for my 2019 DCT Wing a couple of weeks ago. After reading the many reviews I learned that there was not enough clearance to remove the rear drain bolt after installing the rear bracket. This would have been a deal breaker for me. If you have the 13mm aftermarket magnetic drain bolt as I do it requires the removal of the bracket when doing an oil change. I just received confirmation that Traxxion has re engineered this bracket that WILL accommodate the 13mm drain bolt! There is a slight delay in the manufacturing effort right now but I was told that these will begin shipping again by the end of January. When I receive it I will install and follow up.
Thanks for all your videos! I have used many of them to install a great deal of lighting as well as proper maintenance that is required. The insight that you provide has allowed me to do all these installs saving me thousands! My hats off to you sir! Keep it up.
hello there. I have ordered the Alcan as well and on Traxxion website doesn't says the official dimensions of this plate how big it is in regards to the standard. it would be great to know how thick it is in millimeters. Thanks 👍🏻
I purchased one but haven’t installed. I’d like to see your red jack in action before I spend a ton of money on a pit bull.
I installed this guard couple weeks back. Quality is superb! I recommend looking at Max’s installation video. It is exceptionally helpful and better than paper instructions.
This is a fantastic product. You don’t want to miss this video.
Looking forward to the WingStuff and Traxxion shoot out Chris.
After watching this video (another great job, Chris!), I would be very hesitant to lift the motorcycle with a lift on the case guard. As best as I can tell (unless the lift was making contact elsewhere) you would be lifting the entire weight of the bike on the 4 bracket bolts, which is only contacting the engine case in 4 distinct points. I would be very concerned that all that weight on those four bolts would either shear off the bolts or crack the case. On my previous bike, there were two strong frame rails that the lift would contact, not the engine itself.
Just purchased my first Gold wing 2019 DCT, I certainly don’t like removing the Engine bolts every time I change the oil, hopefully they redesigned the bracket and came up with a better solution. I’m giving them a call tomorrow before I order the product.
Flyman...Did you call them about this?
This ecg from traxxion does look heavy duty,but taking out the 4 engine bolts out and using a jack under the ecg plate to support that much weight on those 4 bolts seems wrong. The engines cases have been lighten up and are thinner and would more likely put too much stress on those 4 bolts when lifting the bike. Mother Honda is not going to guarantee damages caused by this belly pan and who could blame them. Right now it's a no for me.
Hello Cruiseman,
I watched your RUclips video on the installation of Traxxions’ engine guard! I found it to be very informative and quite comprehensive, thank you!
Loyal ( from San Diego).
just installed mine yesterday, love it.
I found your analysis helpful and informative. Thanks.
I bought and installed this last week. Simple install when following Max's video. Definitely a solid piece of aluminum plate! I will have to check for any oil leaks. Haven't riden the bike since the install. It was 5 degrees up hear in Boston the last few days. Up to 28 and dry today.....perfect riding weather lol
I did install the the plate on my 2019 DCT. week. I too am interested in how it will function with a lift. I have a J&S Lift with their Goldwing adapter. I will test the lift along with the plate on to see if it fares well. Otherwise I would just remove the plate as one would to perform an oil change by removing the 7 small screws, and then use the lift on the suggested engine case hard points recommended by J&S.
Last weekend I road 450 miles from Orlando to Palm Beach and back and had no issues with the install when inspected. I really like the protection it affords as I'm a long distance rider and now feel a bit safer with the engine case protection. Thanks for the video Chris well done.
Thanks Cruiseman, I just ordered the engine guard. I use a Craftman's jack and I already know that the guard will have to come off in order to get the jack under my 2018. This is a very informative video... thanks...
I did that exact thing put the front bracket on the wrong way I found out when the plate would not match up the bolts so I took it off and reversed it glad that you mentioned it. Merry Christmas stay safe
Good job Cruiseman. Thanks for the video. Ride safely.
Thanks for the update. I am not sold on either of the products you have reviewed. Sure don't want to keep removing the engine bolds. Also not convinced I need a "thick" plate.
I found out that the wingstuff is much easier instalation, doesn't mess with the engine bolts. Nd does the job perfectly.
Piece looks nice. Noticed the space at the front that could catch gravel, debris, and moisture. Surely not as bad as an under carriage hit. Good video.
Cruiseman, I just picked up my new 2023 DCT Tour yesterday :) :) Thank you for this video, My first purchase for this bike was this engine guard!
Congrats on the new bike!
Great plate kit. Now you are talking solid plate mounting. Totally agreed about the drain plug access!!! Once us removing the rear bracket to get to the drain plug, a note must be informed that the old 2 bolts must be inserted back into the engine block before you run the engine after an oil change to check for leaks and oil level. I will never run the engine missing the 2 bolts on the lower case, even for 1 min. I need to think about that. It is a benefit to have this plate on our bikes.
Looks like the clearance issue, with the rear drain plug, may be with the aftermarket magnetic plug mentioned below. Traxxion bracket was probably designed to fit around an OEM stock drain plug, which is a 12 mm head. The Goldstrike magnetic plug is 13 mm.
I just placed my order for the Traxion Engine Guard Alcan version. Its back ordered.
Maybe you saw this already but 6061T6 is a precipitation-hardened aluminium alloy, containing magnesium and silicon as its major alloying elements. The T6 designator means its Tempered, solutionized and artificially aged. Yea i got that from Wikipedia (I wont take credit for that)
Absolute pro commentary! Thank you
Thanks, good review. The Traxxion Engine Case Guard, seems to be a better design. Thanks especially for the torque reference, I should have looked that up, so I will go back and check mine. They did not feel like those bolts had a lot of torque on them when they came off. Definitely waiting to see your take on the rear drain bolt when you do your next oil change. I did use blue loctite, but I don’t view that as a critical thing.
I just recieved my case guard. The rear mounting bracket has had a notch milled into it to address this drain bolt issue with the DCT. I was wondering why the notch was machined in the bracket after it was anodized but this video makes it clear now why it was done..no need for it with my 6-speed though.
I would think he would send new brackets out with the notch in them. Don’t think mine has the notch in it.
Adding a washer to act as a spacer between the front mounting bracket and the engine case would help localize the bolt torque clamping force and prevent oil leaks, but once you've let the leak start, the RTV is compromised and it's always going to want to seep there.
It took me about an hour. I am not mechanical at all, but it looks great. The two biggest hassles were the plastic, which I put back on in the wrong order, and getting my torque wrench on the rear bolts. Mine had the cutout for the DCT plug and I had no trouble getting the 12mm socket on it.
My biggest disappointment is that I was hoping to find about ten push pins and a couple of 10mm sockets in there when I took all that plastic off.
I tried dropping my Traxxion plate to check the distance to the rear drain bolt. I have the Showchrome magnetic drain bolts and the heads are 13mm instead of the OEM 12mm and there is not enough space to get a socket on it. It’s close though. I’ll probably grind a small portion off the bracket next time I change my oil to leave enough space for a socket. My 13 was so close I’d think a 12mm just might be okay. It took me 4 minutes to drop the pan.
Well done, Chris. Seriously. The thought you put into potential pros and cons is very, very helpful.
Why not just put a hole in the skid for the drain plug?
On a DCT there are three drain plugs and the oil filter.
My Gold Wing is parked in my basement for the winter, so I have not even started the engine since I put it away. I installed this engine guard case about a month ago now, while it has been in my basement. This evening I was curious about the recently reported seepage of oil that was noticed on some Gold Wings, after the guard was installed. So, I removed the necessary items to get at the front and rear bracket. I noticed an oil seepage from the area of the front guard bracket. So, I got out my trusty torque wrench to see if the bolts were at 18 ft lbs, like you mentioned. They were both pretty darn close, so I gave them another tug just to make sure. Then, I removed the bottom guard, and I cleaned the area of the seepage really well with some Simple Green. So, I am going to leave the bottom guard off for a few weeks, while it is in hibernation in my basement, and I will monitor it to see if I get any more seepage to report.
hey Paul. have you got any more seepage after monitoring? thanks
@@bikerboy_2008 No. Max from Traxxion was correct. I wiped the seepage and re-torqued the bolts, and everything is good.
Can you use a motorcycle lift on it??
I'm not sure this is for me yet. I have to think the odds of major impact causing engine damage is quite rare. Yeah, you might break an oil filter or something that's an inconvenience, but major engine damage is think is rare. I've only ridden 100k miles or so on the street. So maybe as those miles grow the odds will to. But for now that seems like more hassle than it's worth.
The Max video looks like this plate would make oil filter changing fun. I wonder if longer engine bolts are supplied and if they can be torqued to factory spec. I would think using this plate between bike & lift would be scary 👀
Yes, they can be torqued to factory spec.
Did you ever add a video on the traxxion engine guard to your maintenance videos? I couldn’t find it.
Hi cruise man. Have you ever done a stereo amplifier upgrade?
im not mounting a protective plate to the engine case
which is what your trying to protect in the first place
I just ordered the case guard and wanted to watch your in depth video on the install but can't find it on your videos. Where is it?
Me too
Is there any allowance for thermal expansion? I'm thinking there "may" be some disparity between the plate and the engine which "could" result in an oil leak.
How hard is it to change the oil filter?
Chris, going back to your install and review of the Traxxion case guard, when you pulled it off after riding awhile you had some fluid on the guard. Did you ever determine what that fluid was and was it caused by the installation of the case guard?
It was oil that was seeping out from where I removed the bolts. I have re-torqued the bolts and am monitoring to see if it continues, or was a temporary issue.
Thanks Chris. Am considering buying the plate but am waiting for more reports. Have heard other folks having the same problem. Looking forward to your report.
Just to clarify that all the bolts to the engine are 18 ft lbs correct? Great job on the video!
Yes, that is what I was told.
Is this similar to the belly pans previously used? Looks great.
Similar concept, but this one is much more substantial.
@@cruisemansgarage Great, thanks !
Chris
Do you have any updates with regard to the oil leak from the Max's skid plate?
Not yet. I am waiting for updated brackets to come in from Traxxion before I do a final assessment.
They should have just machined a slot in the center bolt instead of a hole of the front bracket Then simply drop the entire assembly straight down by removing the 4 bolts for an oil change.
Since it's been 2 years since your video of the engine guard install .... what have we learned about Honda warranty , oil leaks, and if we can use a lift with this engine guard???
I have used it with a lift several times, no leak issues and no Honda warranty issues that I am aware of.
Thanks Chris
Couldn’t a hole b drilled to remove the oil drain bolt and to drain the oil through? U would b making a place where something might go through … but what r the odds ?
Nice job! I kept noticing the red line around your wheel. Is that a decal, painted, or just a camera anomaly? Thanks!
He put decals on.
Honda Wheel Stripes.
On a DCT do you have access to the filters or do you need to remove the plate?
You have to remove the plate.
What is the cost
Why didn't you use locktite on the bolts?
Max recommended against it.
Follow up Chris. I pulled off the plate today to check on any oil leakage you identified. I too found light oil was leaking from the front bracket that was added to support the plate. The underside of the plate had the presence of light oil streaming on the plate and the underside of the casing was lightly covered. I had completed 500 miles around Florida this past week and figured that would be a fair opportunity to see if my install was similar your yours, and it was. I can't determine exactly were the oil is leaking from but it appears to the from the newly changed bolds used to replace the OEM ones and retain the mounting support. So it appears this may be a common fault. I left an email and voice mail with Traxxion but they were likely off for the holidays. I hope we hear how this can be rectified, or do we return the item and replace the OEM bolts. We will see as it along with access to the drain plug are outstanding issues. Tried to email you a photo but it was bounced.
I emailed with Max and he said it may be common if the bolts were left out for some period of time and that re-torque of the bolts should correct the issue. I don't think there is a reason to panic.
@@cruisemansgarage no panic just following your lead over the legitimate concerns you identified I.e oil plug restriction and the oil leakage discoveries. I know Max will do the right thing and the ask ing for findings and similar observations by customers was forthcoming. We all await the form fit and function resolution. Thanks for bringing it to the forefront Chris. Good job.
I received a modified rear bracket from Traxxion which provides access to the rear drain bolt. I cleaned and reinstalled the plate after finding some minor seepage as was experienced by myself and other.
Today after 600 hard highway miles here in Florida the underside was completely dry, no further seepage. So the original seepage was likely due to the reasons related by Max and Chris was due to the original bolt change.
The modified bracket now allows me to access the rear drain bolt, so I only need to remove the plate to do an oil change. I will test my J&S lift on the plate when I have the need to jack up the bike.
I see that Chris Calentie published an install video on is pre-2018 GW today , where he changed a older belly pan out for a Show Chrome two piece pan. She shows using his lift with the new pan without any noted concerns.
So I'm satisfied with the Traxxion product and as always their products are high quality and they always correct any customer concerns.
Nope. As in other comments. Removing bolts for oil change which is a regular occurrence. First I’d never remove engine case lower bolts to mount a plate that when it takes a hard hit would put pressure on engine case. Defeat’s the purpose of engine protection. I’m a believer in engine case protection. Drain bolt? Still have to remove plate to change DCT oil filter. But not this setup.
I believe these bolts do not go into the engine "case" they go into the engine "cover."
@@Tim.Traveler call the engine case what you want. Even Cruiseman had oil leak on one of the bolts on his first install.
One would expect that at the price these Goldwings cost the so super Honda company would have these installed as part of protecting such a high priced maschine. If you count together all the things one would have to install that should be run of the mill standard the price goes up by 2-3000 $ more
I can't think of a touring bike with engine case protection. Even some adventure bikes don't include it as standard equipment.
@@cruisemansgarage Well then they should a standard for high priced bikes and we as consumeres should learn to demand them.
I wouldn’t feel comfortable removing engine bolts every time I change my oil on my DCT?.
you're removing the drain bolts everytime......
Removing engine bolts in my opinion is just asking for trouble especially unnecessary oil leaks. Not worth the risk for me !!
Would it be possible to drill a hole through the plate to allow a socket on the drain plug.
You still have 2 other drain plugs and the filter to access.
Honda does not recommend altering the undercarriage of your Gold wing. This is nothing more than a sales pitch. Insurance will cover damages if this occurs. Honda claims that by installing this plate, you risk altering the engineering and safety design of the motorcycle. Leave it be. If it was an issue, there would be a recall notice and Honda would cover the costs.
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I solve the rear bracket problem please pass it on to Max. You can always use permanently installed rear bolts with 8mm studs protruding from them. You can remove the rear bracket by removing the nuts off of the studs. That way the bolts never leave the engine case. Simply reinstalled the bracket over the studs, and reinstall the nuts.
Genius!
$12k dollars of damage to your previous Wing’s motor Cruise? Did you mean $1,200? Otherwise the plate looks typical Traxxion over engineering.
Nope, $12,000. Had to pull the engine, replace the lower case, main bearings and seals and re-assemble.
IMO a hassle and something 99.9% of us will never need. IF I ever got severe damage, It's a insurance claim & possibly a new bike!
There are a couple of other things to consider. In my case, if the repairs had been another $800, the insurance company would have totaled the bike. and I would have only received $12,800, meaning I would have had to go out and find another bike to replace it. The second issue is being stranded in a remote area with a cracked engine case. I was "lucky" my mishap happened just a few miles from my home. The other consideration is finding a tech capable of making the repairs. Again, I was VERY lucky because at that time I had an excellent Honda tech with 20 years experience in Goldwing repairs. I no longer have that luxury.
An ounce of prevention is work a pound of cure.
The motor work on a $25,000-32,000 bike isn't probably going to total the bike. It's going to end up netting you a check for $9-12K for a Honda tech to tear apart your motor and rebuild it....which is never going to be to the standard of the factory-built unit. As CM says below the other issue is "when and where" does this happen? Insurance is "protection from unforeseen risk"...this is a KNOWN risk at this point and if you ride more than casually I wouldn't risk it. These bikes are not depreciating much and a check for Less than half of what the bike is worth won't be much of a consolation if it happens to you. Multiple reports of debris puncturing the oil filter...even more likely than a case getting cracked. I've got one ready to install sitting in my shop.
How much$$$$
Who cares how much? Anything Max makes is well worth the cost to protect your investment.
Chris listed a link to the sales site. Click the url and see the options.
$279 plus tax and shipping. Mine was $302. That's lower than my deductible to have insurance replace an engine.
@@Towman728 perfect, thank you for that information. Much appreciated.