Proto-Balto-Slavic language exist?

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  • Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024

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  • @PolishSound
    @PolishSound  Год назад +9

    About indoeuropean Dueus Pater in the Lord's Prayer: ruclips.net/video/kJhwtcrrcAY/видео.htmlfeature=shared and MIDDLE Polish and Polish Voices. What do you think about its?

  • @JaredtheRabbit
    @JaredtheRabbit Год назад +38

    The numbers made me think “So, it’s just an old form of Lithuanian.”

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  Год назад +11

      IT is understandable. "dva" is more similar to slavic and vedic. Thank you for comment :)

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  8 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/08X96Urfoa8/видео.htmlfeature=shared

  • @SievaRahojsha
    @SievaRahojsha 10 месяцев назад +15

    most likely, there were proto-German-Balto-Slavs, then the proto-Germans separated from this community to the northwest, the southern part of the community was influenced by the Italics and Proto-Iranians and became proto-Slavs, the rest moved north and became the Balts.

    • @ahemenidov1900
      @ahemenidov1900 Месяц назад

      No, it was Slavo-Aryan with common R1a-Z645 haplogroup (appeared in 3500 BC, less than 2000 years before Vedic language: so Vedic should be quite close to Slavo-Aryan). As for Germanians they are triple mix of R1a-Z645 (Slavo-Aryans), R1b (Celts) and I1 (non-IE). Final shape of Germanic language is determined by I1, and that's why 'Germanic phonetic shift' appeared.

  • @Yoshimidsu
    @Yoshimidsu 10 месяцев назад +14

    Yes, Proto-Balto-Slavic almost certainly existed - historical linguistic evidence all points to this.

    • @Oberschutzee
      @Oberschutzee 8 месяцев назад +2

      There weren't, there are practically no evidence for that just theories

    • @epikbearcz7962
      @epikbearcz7962 3 месяца назад

      @@Oberschutzee so like the lists of shared vocabulary suddenly don't exist then

  • @blaisewilliams5101
    @blaisewilliams5101 9 месяцев назад +1

    Greetings. Dobre den'. Thank you very much. Shiro dyakuyu.

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  8 месяцев назад

      Thank you for your kind words. I invite you to new videos, for example about Indo-European numbers, about middle Polish, and Lesser Polish dialect. .

  • @SinarNila
    @SinarNila Год назад +15

    It is true that the lack of biological, archaeological and anthropological evidence is one of the main facts and premises against the idea of the existence of a common Baltic-Slavic language. The disciplines of biology, archeology, and anthropology play important roles in studying the origins and development of languages, and the lack of evidence in these areas weakens the hypothesis.
    When it comes to ancient languages, linguists often rely on linguistic evidence, such as vocabulary similarities, grammatical structures, and phonetic changes over time, to trace relationships between related languages. However, this linguistic evidence is not always sufficient to establish the existence of a common ancestral language.
    The absence of relevant biological, archaeological and anthropological evidence limits the ability to support the idea of a common Baltic-Slavic language. As a result, the prevailing view among linguists is that the Baltic and Slavic languages do not share a distant common ancestor.
    For now it is nothing more than a conjecture, without evidence transformed into theory, for now a fallacy, because it has no support in anthropology, biology and archeology between these cultural and linguistic groups, which has been proven so far that both descend from the European Proto Indo and the Proto Baltic and separate from Proto Slavic, there was never a supposed Balto-Slavic language, what there was was linguistic contacts between Baltic languages and Slavic languages.

    • @Oberschutzee
      @Oberschutzee Год назад +2

      🤣@SmilingShadow-jl5tr

    • @TSGC16
      @TSGC16 11 месяцев назад +1

      Do you also believe this is the case for the Indo-Iranian and Italo-Celtic theories?

    • @marians7364
      @marians7364 11 месяцев назад +3

      This is true. I think that wrong theory of Balto-Slavic conjecture is based on wrong theory of Slavic origin somewhere in Belarus area. In the East there were Goths, Huns, Hungarians, Mongols and many more, but Slavs were in Europe long time before middle ages.

    • @marians7364
      @marians7364 11 месяцев назад +2

      @SmilingShadow-jl5tr firstly - when the Slavs invaded the Eastern Roman Empire (Greece, Turkey) in 535 AD - they moved to the southeast, not to the southwest.
      secondly - If Slavic languages are connected with Sanskrit, the theory can be that Slavic languages influenced Germanic-Porto-Scandinavian and the result was Baltic language. The development of new languages throughout history is not and has never been a straight line, which many do not realize.

    • @Oberschutzee
      @Oberschutzee 11 месяцев назад

      @@marians7364 bullshit nonsense

  • @aquenwisey
    @aquenwisey 11 месяцев назад +3

    Oh, so you’re the person behind the epic proto Baltic Slavic voice in the video of Ilovelangauges! I love your voice. You sound like a mighty east european ancestral warrior

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you. IT is normal Polish voice. I invite you to other videos. What middle Polish or leader Polish Sound for You? And where are you from? Greetings.

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  11 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/RXs34IO0djw/видео.htmlfeature=shared

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  8 месяцев назад

      Numbers Indoeuropean Look for This: ruclips.net/video/08X96Urfoa8/видео.htmlfeature=shared

    • @epikbearcz7962
      @epikbearcz7962 3 месяца назад

      Bro is gay
      but so am i ;)

  • @NK-vd8xi
    @NK-vd8xi 7 месяцев назад

    The w sound was probably /w/ since it survived into Old Prussian and parts in Ukrainian/Belarusian

  • @panemunietis
    @panemunietis 4 месяца назад

    Why was the word protobalts in "...", seems weird, unlike for the protoslavs, which are not put in the "...".

  • @rtam7097
    @rtam7097 Год назад +4

    Nice one. New subscriber. I wanted to do one for Proto-Indo-Iranian. You have good deep voice. Will you able to help? I do have sample.

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  Год назад +1

      O... I AM not good in others languages, I recorded slavic and PBS because I am Polish. Which texsts?

    • @rtam7097
      @rtam7097 Год назад +1

      @@PolishSound Proto-Indo-Iranian. I will guide you. I believe you will be apt as you have a Slavic accent.
      So, it won't be that far away to Indo-Iranian.
      The sample is for Proto-Indo-Iranian and I want to do a realistic hypothetical recreation of Proto-Indo-Iranian

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  11 месяцев назад

      Which texts? Show me

    • @rtam7097
      @rtam7097 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@PolishSound I have that in Telegram. If you don't mind can I share there if you have?

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@rtam7097In new video I recorded texts in Pali and Sanskrit. You can check it. What's name of telegram channel?

  • @jansto974
    @jansto974 Год назад +3

    Wiele slow brzmi jak tzn Lacina kuchenna .na zasadzie : Kra mija kre a ja nos tre,Tam to ryja spi tu lis,baby tu prajta deskom plaskatom , albo to wez widlantus ,idz na polantus ,rozczes gnojantus..Kazda mowa jest prawdziwa kiedy mozna sie dogadac. Jedna z najstarszych jest chyba od Sorbow .tam np sklep spozywczy to zywidla ,serce utroba ,kot koszka ,bagna blota .Po krotkim osluchaniu mozna wiele zrozumiec.Pamietam Jak tzw Koledzy z wojska ciagle nam dokuczali z powodu naszej gwary .A slowo Gwarek to ktos kto mial szyb do gory.

  • @duesen00
    @duesen00 Месяц назад

    Schleicher was a great linguist however I wouldnt use his reconstructions today. They're very outdated

  • @davidschannel6418
    @davidschannel6418 Год назад +10

    Where are the Proto-Indo-Europeans?

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  Год назад

      Nobody knows

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  Год назад +1

      There are several hypotheses: that it is in Anatolia (today's Turkey), that it is in Ukraine, that it is on the Danube, that it is in Poland

    • @TarebossT
      @TarebossT Год назад

      In tumuli.

    • @Nastya_07
      @Nastya_07 Год назад +2

      @@PolishSound But most scholars believe it was in the Pontic Steppe (Ukraine, Russia), also, from what I have seen, the Danube/Poland hypothesis doesn't have much support, the 3rd most supported hypothesis is the Armenian hypothesis.

    • @pia_mater
      @pia_mater Год назад +1

      Right here. We are their descendants

  • @mrlunatic4816
    @mrlunatic4816 Год назад +1

    Wondrous truly wondrous!

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  11 месяцев назад

      I invite you to New film with slavic Voices: ruclips.net/video/RXs34IO0djw/видео.htmlfeature=shared

  • @volek6264
    @volek6264 9 месяцев назад +1

    Read something about praha-korchak archeological culture - and then you will understand the origin of Slavs.
    Read about the stepp DNA expansion to Europe and Corded Ware Culture - you'll learn something about Indo-European languages origin

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  8 месяцев назад

      I read about this and many other studies and concepts and realized that the current interpretations of the data are hasty and insufficient. hence I agree with the opinion of researchers who believe that there were no Balto-Slavics. Even Wikipedia lists a lot of references to the work of researchers who think similarly to me.

  • @holextv5595
    @holextv5595 11 месяцев назад +3

    As a czech why is 9 nevim ? 😂 in Czech nevím mean "I DON'T KNOW" 😅😅

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  11 месяцев назад

      Já téż nie wiém ;)

    • @nadirhikmetkuleli7335
      @nadirhikmetkuleli7335 11 месяцев назад +4

      In Slavic Languages Devem/Devim is a later development. Originally IE inherited word was Nevem/Nevim. N turned into D in early stages of Proto-Slavic.

    • @alexandergel2001
      @alexandergel2001 11 месяцев назад +2

      Може, тому що чехи могли рахувати тільки до 8, а далі говорили «nevim”, тобто «не знаю»😅

    • @siyacer
      @siyacer 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@nadirhikmetkuleli7335turk

  • @mirdallke2
    @mirdallke2 Год назад +1

    szkodz ze nie dodałes opcji tłumacznia z angielskiego na polski

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  11 месяцев назад

      Do nowego filmu dodałem ale muszę jeszcze ręcznie poprawić. Zapraszam

  • @UbysatoShineko
    @UbysatoShineko Год назад +6

    Interesting,

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  Год назад +1

      Thank you. Welcome to my channel :)

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  Год назад +1

      Możemy gadać po polsku. Pozdrawiam

    • @UbysatoShineko
      @UbysatoShineko Год назад +2

      @@PolishSound ta? To zajebiście bo chuja zrozumiałem co tam pierdolisz.
      Chyba za bardzo po polsku 😅

    • @UbysatoShineko
      @UbysatoShineko Год назад +2

      Również pozdrawiam.

  • @Pušninaz
    @Pušninaz Месяц назад

    Your map doesn't fit the cultures associated with proto-indo-iranians and Proto-balto-slavs. The proto-indo-iranians are associated with Fatyanovo and the proto-balto-slavs are associated with trzciniec culture. The Proto-Indo-Iranians probably split into Proto-Indo-Aryans and Proto-Iranians somewhere in northern Central Asia.

  • @druginys
    @druginys 11 месяцев назад +1

    Labai įdomūs pamąstymai. Ačiū

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  11 месяцев назад +1

      Muzyka: ruclips.net/video/RXs34IO0djw/видео.htmlfeature=shared

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  11 месяцев назад +1

      Zapraszam do nowego wideo z porównaniem...

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  11 месяцев назад

      Where are you from?

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  8 месяцев назад

      Look for This: ruclips.net/video/08X96Urfoa8/видео.htmlfeature=shared

  • @omikhlephonon
    @omikhlephonon Год назад

    How it could not exist if there is a reconstruction of it already? Is it a ghost reconstruction then?

    • @Bdrbs
      @Bdrbs Год назад +5

      Reconstruction doesnt prove that language existed. Its just a guess based on sound laws how that hypotetical language could sound. But its still the best we have when we are talking about languages which never been written or written late. For example written Lithuanian is pretty young, around 16 century. So if you want to have a grasp on how old Lithuanian language was like, you have to reconstruct (it wasnt very different).

  • @aleksandarnikolic2743
    @aleksandarnikolic2743 Год назад +2

    Poljski i Srpski jezik su veoma slični. A postoje i genetski dokazi o sličnosti i zajedničkom poreklu.
    Da li ste poredili polski sa sanskritom. Srpski ima dosta sličnih reči sa sanskritom.

    • @Krlowanigu-mg6eg
      @Krlowanigu-mg6eg 11 месяцев назад +1

      Tak! Polski i serbski! Pozdrawiam!

    • @aleksandarnikolic2743
      @aleksandarnikolic2743 11 месяцев назад

      @@Krlowanigu-mg6eg Pozdravljam i ja tebe!🖐

    • @SievaRahojsha
      @SievaRahojsha 10 месяцев назад

      genetic analyzes show that the Balkan Slavs have little in common genetically with the rest of the Slavs, but more with the peoples who previously lived in the Balkans.

    • @SievaRahojsha
      @SievaRahojsha 10 месяцев назад

      @@MissGoodVibes0 genetic analyzes show that the Balkan Slavs have little in common genetically with the rest of the Slavs, but more with the peoples who previously lived in the Balkans.

    • @aleksandarnikolic2743
      @aleksandarnikolic2743 10 месяцев назад

      @@SievaRahojsha 40% Slavic and 60% Balkan.! Y dna ,but mitohondrial dna ??????

  • @alexandrselishchev8538
    @alexandrselishchev8538 9 месяцев назад

    Интересно.

  • @somekindofdude1130
    @somekindofdude1130 9 месяцев назад

    Ena, dio, tria is probably from greek since the slavic alphabet is a made up alphabet (like all of them) from 2 byzantine high ranking individuals that went to the area to establish friendly relations. Since within the borders if Byzantium Greek was the official and dominant langauge makes sense they would borrow these very commonly used words

    • @gideonros2705
      @gideonros2705 9 месяцев назад +2

      No it doesn’t make sanse. New genetic studies show that Southern Slavs have older presence in the Balkans then the Greeks. In fact the Haplogroup-I is the only genetic group that is autochthonous to Europe in other words it originates in Europe. Any similarities can’t be only interpreted as ‘Greek’.

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  8 месяцев назад

      ​@@gideonros2705Comparision of IE numbers Look for This: ruclips.net/video/08X96Urfoa8/видео.htmlfeature=shared

  • @ludomian
    @ludomian 11 месяцев назад +1

    czyżby jakiś polski kanał

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  11 месяцев назад

      No przecież się nazywa Polish Sound. Pozdrawiam

  • @ahemenidov1900
    @ahemenidov1900 Месяц назад

    Such one definitely didn't exist. Because it's based on modern Lithuanian and artificially made closer to fake 'PIE'. Real Proto-Balto-Slavic is based on Slavo-Aryan common shaped lexicon. Example: we see here word 'žmonum'. It's obvious Lithuanian žmonas is shift from Slavic monŽŏ > Žmonŏ. And in its turn Slavic monžŏ < monwšŏ = Avestan manuša, Sanskrit manusya. The same about Lithuanian paukšti(s) "bird" = shifted piatuška(s) < Belarusian ptuška, Russian pĭetušok: compare to Sanskrit pataŋga "flyer", patati "to fly". Etc.

  • @EttaKamenatios
    @EttaKamenatios Год назад

    Никто:
    Пра-балто-славяне когда надо сказать шесть: шииииииишь

  • @korolyovskiy
    @korolyovskiy 8 месяцев назад

    Вот что бывает, когда реконструешь прародину индоевропейцев исключительно по лингвистическим сопоставлениям, будучи полным нулём в археологии и генетике, а также в письменных источниках.

  • @varjovirta3085
    @varjovirta3085 11 месяцев назад

    Well anybody is free to prove or disprove any theory, so you do not need to be linguist to do so. But they still need to do it proper scientific way and not make fringe arguments and results.
    I do not speak any of the Baltic or Slavic languages, but i still see these are obviously quite close to each other, so thats an argument for they had a common proto-language.
    So denying the potential existence of proto Balto-slavic language seems to be more politically motivated rather than based on actual truth and seeing something wrong on the theory.
    Great example i would tell how you prove your languages maybe related to something interesting is Armenian. I saw a in a blog great examples and arguments including protential cognates and even grammatical similarities in Armenian comparasion Hurro-Urartian languages. So that's how you prove things.

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  10 месяцев назад

      You are so hipocritical.
      I show my theory without attacking anyone, and by blaming me for posting the theory, you make up suspicions without any proof that attack the other person by attributing political motivations to him based on your own assumptions. Hypocrisy

    • @bvbv6603
      @bvbv6603 9 месяцев назад +3

      If you do not speak the Baltic and Slavic languages, you cannot appreciate the degree of similarities and differences. As a Russian speaker, I can say that there is no more similarity between Russian and Latvian than between Russian and Italian or Russian and English. The names of relatives and body parts in Russian coincide more with English than with Latvian. In general, Baltic and Slavic are different language groups, and the existence of the Baltic-Slavic language was initially only a hypothesis. As a Slavic speaker, I partially understand other Slavic languages ​​by ear, but I absolutely do not understand any Baltic

  • @YU-mv3ku
    @YU-mv3ku Год назад +1

    Razumem- Srbija

  • @vladimirmagnusson9364
    @vladimirmagnusson9364 Год назад +3

    Что за текст на сайте Энди? Вот этот ближе к протоиндоевропейскому.
    PROTO-SLAVIC (IE IIIa-b), 1 AD
    Ovis esvu-ce.
    ovis, ceso vlina ne jazit,
    esva speset,
    inu zaruo vozu vezote,
    inu-ce meza boru,
    inu-ce zmonu jasu berote.
    Ovis nu esvomu vjucet:
    “Srid aznute me,
    esvu agotu viru videti”.
    Esva tu vjucot: “Sludi, ove!
    srid aznute esmi videtmu:
    ner, podis, ovjemi-ri vlino
    sebi germu vestru crinjuti”.
    Ovjemi-ce vlina ne jaziti.
    To sésluvŭ óvĭs ágrŭ bugĭt.

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  Год назад +1

      Nie wiem, co jest na stronie Andy. Tu jest moja propozycja. W sieci są w pdfie teksty z różnymi wersjami. Moja propozycja: Owica i ekuńi.
      Ovica jeż w velne ne est zezerawa ekune vóz velig vezonte....

    • @vladimirmagnusson9364
      @vladimirmagnusson9364 Год назад

      @@PolishSound, Я про канал "ILoveLanguages!" и новое видео:
      PIE & PROTO-SLAVIC
      ruclips.net/video/9RLb9FDYNR8/видео.html

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  Год назад +1

      I invite you to film about Polish dialects and middle Polish. How it sounds for you?

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  Год назад

      Dziwne, ze trudno znaleźć autoryzowaną przez specjalistę rekonstrukcję. Powyższa była w pracy "A Storm of Words vetera verba, priscae linguae Carlos Quiles with contributions by Fernando López-Menchero" dostępnej w internecie, ale w tej pracy wersja prasłowiańska jest podana za Wikipedią natomiast w wikipedii nie ma podanego autora rekonstrukcji. Jest ewentualnie autor modyfikacji. Dlatego ta wersja wygląda bardziej jak tłumaczenie niż językoznawcza rekonstrukcja szukająca podobnych rdzeni

    • @vladimirmagnusson9364
      @vladimirmagnusson9364 Год назад +1

      @@PolishSound, в польском особое произношение гласных и носовых звуков, но в целом многие слова вполне понятны.

  • @jorgitoislamico4224
    @jorgitoislamico4224 11 месяцев назад +4

    Baltic cope

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  11 месяцев назад

      Zapraszam do nowego nagrania

    • @Pušninaz
      @Pušninaz Месяц назад

      Yes, Proto-Balto-slavic probably did exist.

  • @JP-bj2sb
    @JP-bj2sb 10 месяцев назад +1

    If you judge by the living languages, the Baltic is closer to the Indic (Sanskrit), whereas Iranian is closer to Slavic.

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  8 месяцев назад +1

      IT depend Look: ruclips.net/video/08X96Urfoa8/видео.htmlfeature=shared

  • @zdenekdanko4729
    @zdenekdanko4729 Год назад +1

    🤣🤣🤣

  • @Oberschutzee
    @Oberschutzee Год назад +1

    It didnt

  • @Wald-fc1tq
    @Wald-fc1tq 11 месяцев назад +2

    Не было таких. Слишком разные языки, даже на уровне корней.

  • @Vil9876
    @Vil9876 11 месяцев назад +2

    No, protoslavic is baltoiranianian.

    • @Ana_Al-Akbar
      @Ana_Al-Akbar 10 месяцев назад

      Maybe. But is there any proof?

    • @Vil9876
      @Vil9876 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Ana_Al-Akbar , The ancestral home of the Slavs is the territory of the south of Belarus, the north of Ukraine, the north-west of Poland, where Baltic and Iranians mixed 3 thousand years ago.
      In the Slavic pantheon, only two deities (Perun and Veles) are of Baltic origin, the rest of the pantheon is Iranian (Dažbog, Stribog, Mokoša and so on). (At that time, the Baltic and Indo-Iranian languages ​​were different, like dialects).

    • @Ana_Al-Akbar
      @Ana_Al-Akbar 10 месяцев назад

      @@Vil9876 Even if they mix, it doesn't make them a baltoiranian language family.

    • @Vil9876
      @Vil9876 10 месяцев назад

      @@Ana_Al-Akbar , A new culture emerged in the Indo-European language family, which strengthened over the course of a thousand years, and appeared in history as Sclavins, Veneds, and Anti's. And 2 thousand years ago, they began to assimilate neighboring nations.

    • @Ana_Al-Akbar
      @Ana_Al-Akbar 10 месяцев назад

      @@Vil9876 You know the video is about languages?
      There is no language family called baltoiranian.

  • @krcvisinickaiuzimti
    @krcvisinickaiuzimti Месяц назад

    That's drunk Lithuanian 🤣

  • @tocharian_reincarnated
    @tocharian_reincarnated Год назад +1

    Slavic shouldn't be in ie family, sounds and looks a way different

    • @Nach956
      @Nach956 Год назад +12

      I disagree. The only slavic language I decently know is russian and could see the cognates with sanskrit, latin and germanic languages.

    • @PolishSound
      @PolishSound  Год назад +8

      most romance languages lost their declension, but most Slavic languages have retained it to this day. it is similar to Sanskrit, Latin, Baltic. and this is a difficult linguistic feature that is usually lost when the language is imposed on new peoples. This would rather indicate the Indo-European nature of the Slavic language.

    • @kriwient
      @kriwient Год назад +7

      Slavic is the most conservative IE family after Baltic.

    • @tocharian_reincarnated
      @tocharian_reincarnated Год назад

      @@kriwient very first time linguists came to india and saw the similarities named the Language family as indo_germanisch while those European linguists were close to their slavic neighbors but no relativities between germanic and slavic family was bedeviled, later slavic and baltic beheld to be cognate. All the way talking the hole pie is just a hypothesis nobody really knows if they were ramfied of one language or their all creole languages and share similarities...

    • @ghenulo
      @ghenulo 11 месяцев назад

      That's true, but its vocabulary and grammar can be traced back to Proto-Indo-European. It just underwent different sound shifts than other branches (but eh, so did Germanic, but I don't see the claim that the Germanic languages aren't Indo-European).

  • @dainiusnesvarbu4048
    @dainiusnesvarbu4048 11 месяцев назад +2

    Протобалтославянский язык это родственник валирийского, эльфийского и других выдуманных языков.

    • @Pušninaz
      @Pušninaz Месяц назад

      Ну как и любой реконструируемый праязык по твоей логике.