Glad the farmers have the say. It’s beautiful to live in a farming community but remember we need our farmers to do the everyday hard work to keep us feed. I’m on their side
TL:DR They are recycling the manure in a GREEN manner the herds used to graze and manure the ground at random right, we are just making the process more intense.
actually it should be a consensus between farmers and residents since not all farmers are the nice environmental model citizens portrayed in this feel good video and when factory farms are involved we can be sure that they have ZERO interest in either people or the environment.
This method does not capture the powerful greenhouse gas, methane, generated by rotting cow poo. These people will only ever act in their self-interest, you cannot trust them.
@Seededsoul, They literally fed you, what do you want the farmers to use ? Chemicals ? One way to stop them from raising cows is to stop eating meat, so there is no one there to provide the farmer with organic manure to grow the crops, and lets them just use chemicals which will eventually seep into underground water also.
Pikapetey Animations They want to see the end of animal agriculture. Too bad they don't understand that's what's used to fertilize all their Organic veggies.
How can we get them to realize the importance of animal manure for organic farming? I collect tons of horse manure from stables to mix with chipped tree waste to produce compost that ends up on my mango and avocado groves
the technology to clean that $hlt up is available. administering it may cut into profits but it has to be done because you and your children have to live on this land also!
People complain about homelessness, yet whenever the city builds affordable housing, it isn't supposed to be in their backyard... People complain about pesticides contaminated the water supply, yet whenever farmers use manure, it's not supposed to happen in our backyard... People complain about losing their jobs, yet whenever a new factory opens it's not supposed to be in our backyards.... People complain about public transportation, yet we don;t want commuter rail lines to open in our backyards... The not in my backyard (NIMB) mentality has to stop... If we ever want to live in a future where we don;t commute 50 mins to work everyday, every aspect of our lives will have to take place in our neighborhoods, not in the middle of nowhere.
@@alexanderargead3993 reason for corn and soybeans is for animals like pigs cows and chickens and then the oils that they produce and then the leftovers from it is feed to animals. MANURE that is put into the ground helps the ground nutrients and then the emission on on all the new vehicles actually do not help there is no such thing as global warming and the sulfur that comes from the engine, and goes into the ground and helps with the nutrients of the ground. theres such thing as soybean oil which is in a lot of foods that you eat
Solution is simple. First use fresh manure to create free biogas which can fuel the farm machinery and gas heaters in winter. Then vermicompost to enrich the manure then fertlise fields. Use the manure to create planter pots which enrich gardens. Dried manure logs provide for eco-friendly fire logs and preserve forests.
Trust me, we've been doing this for a long time here too. The only thing new is the concrete containment. Also we have dairy farms where the cows come automatically to get milked on a giant carousel.
That artificial fertilizer is supplied by Monsanto and they are what at any other time would be a monopoly. They also control the seed industry through the paid court system. Do you really believe they tell you what is in that fertilizer, do you believe they are not manipulating the prices of those products. Thank Bill Clinton for that and other industries with legal monopolies after he open the patent office so companies could control every Gene and limit research to profit.
When I was younger my dad built our house on an old cow farm. And I mean even 10 years later if there was a heavy rain you could smell manure but boy was the grass as green as ever:)!!
most use chemical fertilizer anymore seeds and glysophate gender bender spray and commiting suicide on themselves as well as everyone else knowing ly or unknowingly.
Steve Sherman It's a sad shame I've worked around small,med ,and somewhat larger farmers my whole life ,and until just recently and I mean just they did not have a clue about how in the dark they were and how manipulated they are partially due mild antisocial nature.
Steve Sherman how does nothing here indicate a farm? Cause when I checked last it was a farm, it dosent matter how much machinery or how big the stuff is
Steve Sherman which is what this farm is doing, it's probably run close to what ours is... we are a dairy farm but also produce grain or "cash crop" farms arnt and shouldn't be classified as anything they are a farm that produces food for the world and that's the end of it....
People who move next airports should sign a similar disclosure form that says "airplanes have right to operate" even when it causes noise, dust, and odors.
We used manure to create Methane and ran all of our equipment on that fuel. When the Methane production was done we ran the leftover material through a a machine that separated solids from the liquids. Then we put the liquid in a series of plant filled pools and eventually we released it in a river, it was cleaner than river water.
Solid gold man . That was one daman good video. Natural fertilizer at its best. Those cows looks healthier. Good job dude. Keep it up. New generation dosent understand old timers sad to say.
Lived in Thorton, CO for a while. When the cattle would arrive you could smell it all the way across town even though the stock yards were rather far away. It was funky...but I got used to it.
I have suggested that the holding tanks should be covered, and the Methane gas collected for use in heating etc. That practice would eliminate the 'smell' and give the bacteria time to reduce the waste products.
I dont think that people realize that dirt, plants, and all of the microorganisms in the dirt are all a natural filter, even if that manure seeps into the ground it'll get filtered out from the dirt itself and the end product is potable water.
That is true. Dirt that has lots of microorganisms is the best filter there is. Problem is that when manure is applied, it needs time to be filtered by the dirt. With all the tile in the ground it takes the manure when too much is applied. Also i think the gmo crops have hurt the amount of microorganisms in the ground.
Why this was recommended to me is a question I'll Never get the answer to.. But here i Denmark, a large portion of the people who lives close the farmers fields actually somewhat likes the smell. I am one of them, and it gives me the same feeling as newly trimmed grass
A good, educational video presenting the scientific explanations for what is happening. Living in an agricultural area often means living close to livestock. As long as people keep buying milk, dairy farms are going to be a part of the mix. Feedlots are even worse, we should put those in downtown.
These lagoons are the source of most of the methane attributed to beef cows. If the manure is left to rot on dry land,tho,it produces a lot less methane. Lagoons should end.
My friends farm organic and others regular here is the diff... That organic food you buy is fertilized with cow, pig, or chicken crap. In some cases actual dead chickens as well... no weed chemicals can be used nor chemical insecticides so there happen to be allowed no much insect matter per pound or bushel in the product mainly eggs and carcass... In conventional farming a fertilizer pellet is used or ammonia gas to fertilize and weed killer boosts yields there by lowering over all product cost... Insecticides can be used but are not regularly as it is expensive only if the crop is at risk... SO there really is no sanitary means of farming you either fertilize with manure or chemicals...
@@chrisjohnson4666 organic only means what someone wants it to. Many chemicals used for weeds and insecticides etc are classified as organic. There have been cases of inspectors being bribed to give the official organic certification to producers. I buy organic but only because I know that it is better but not close to perfect unless I'm growing it myself.
@@billcenne7262 I'd like to see the kind of manure that can seep through concrete. Did you watch the video, or just skip to the comments to tear someone apart? Watch 2:24 - 2:49 again, and tell me how some runoff can get away through that. Also, I am a dairy farmer, and I KNOW that manure isn't thin enough to seep into anything. It doesn't get down past the topsoil when it's spread.
I see alot of people complain about the large farms on here. It is not abour how big a farm you have it is about how you manage it. I seen a very large farm managed way better than any family farm near me. Manure lagoons are very popular even with small producers. However they are terrible for the ground. The reason being the ammonia they produce kills the micro organism and worms in the ground when you apply it. Thoses little guys are what does all the work. Now give it a couple weeks and they can start to repopulate. But damage is done. Its not bad for a couple of times but poor farming practices continue to dwindle the top soil. That is the issue with manure management. Solids need to be removed immediately from the manure to lessen the ammonia. Besides, when you smell manure that is money leaving your pocket.
huh? obviously highly concentrated massive amounts of deadly gas not created naturally will draw scrutiny. regardless of what the scientific community says. those guys can be bought off also........
I grew up down wind of a dairy farm. I didn't realize there were so many people ignorant to the fact that these are necessary.. I liked living in such country.
In Pakistan, we have the same concept! The demand of buying this organic liquid is on high demand! It is the best and healthy way to live by the nature! No diabetes, heart problems or cancers!!!!
Pickle Tickle I disagree, and don't see where you came to that conclusion. They were talking about the smell of manure ponds invading the community and seeping into ground water and poisoning streams. How the community has no say, and the media represents the community not the farmer, did you read the footnote?
stoeger 2 thats why we rely on farmers to enact sustainable grazing procedures along with pasture management, kind of difficult with urban sprawl. Deer seem to migrate for food just fine, but domesticated cattle don't have the same Instinct. Its also difficult for animals to migrate with roadways, railways, and fenced areas like they would have normally done less than a hundred or two hundred years ago.
How is a manure lagoon better than a biogas plant? With a biogas plant you can make methane and electricity and then still have an organic fertilizer (digestate)
Utilizing manures for crop nutrition is the best thing for it. The problems arise from volatalization of the Ammonia and the venting of Methane from the manure along with polltuion of aquifers and water courses. What the industry should be aiming for is capture of those gas either by slurry store covers or injection of slurries into soils. The other aim should be to ensure manures are applied at the best time for crop utilization not just as the lagoon fills up. Protection of air soil and water are pretty crucial to ensure effective food supply.
@@Ethan-ck6iz as a farmer there is a difference between good and bad manure. This type of manure is no good. It comes from mass produced meat, which is fed shitty diets, therefore shitty manure. Also, it then leaches into ground water furthering the issue.
franky Kumuta yes its possible, the nitrogen in the manure, can flow down into the ground water, where the nitrogen will turn into nitrite, which is known to be a source of cancer is ingested to much
Then what about chemical fertilisers which contains tons of nitrogen ? doesn't it too flown down into ground water ? Forest where have more greens composted on soil, doesn't that contains nitrogen too ? that means your saying waterstream from forest and mountains too polluted and can cause cancer ?
that's why some countries have limitation on the amount of N (organic or chemical) you can use on your field, to protect the ground water. and forests off course also depose Nitrogen into the ground but that's not even near the amount that is being spread on fields to get a good yield
There's a huge differentiation between Chemical and Organic(cow manure based) fertiliser's Nitrogen content. I don't think there's a huge difference between forest and cow manure. Forest have tons and tons of leaves, chips and animal manure composted on soil very compactly. Much higher amount of N is involved and efficiently transformed by microorganisms and plants at forest. cow manure contains mostly leaves and grains, which contains same level organic matters just like forest. If water polluted at fields due to spread manure then water from mountains and forest also polluted. (My opinion)
franky Kumuta you're correct that decomposition in forests will also create nitrogen that eventually converts into nitrate and either flushes through the soil or goes into the air. To possibly clear it up some; we test the manure as it's being applied to the soil and we apply the proper amount or our goal of what we're growing. For me personally, I shoot for 180 bushel corn. I need about 200 pounds of total N to support that crop. I get some through organic decomp every year (about 40-50 pounds per acre in my area) which means I apply 150 pounds of N per acre each year. I have no idea how much N an active forest would develop. Hopefully this helps, maybe it was just me rambling!
There is one thing that can be done and a few farms are doing it. The smell everyone complains about is ... Methane.... A few farms that i know of have made Methane domes and then use that gas to run Generators for their Dairy farms this in turns helps keep the smell down and helps make a great dry or even wet fertilizer Its not really the smell after awhile you get use to it. It is people living in fear of it leeching into the water table. I can see this with the older Earth Lagoons which i see around here Some of these have been around for decades never changing. A few of these dairy farms even sit in flood zones and the Lagoons get flooded. so these folks tend to try to empty their Lagoons out soon as they can and those fields aren't use for anything other then crops for the cows. As for Chicken a lot of places take it off site to compost the waste. I myself am a Urban farmer. I raise chickens in the city and i compost their bedding and waste and after it has gone through and composted i give most of it away and my neighbors take it.
150 lbs of manure from one cow a day? That is a lot. Considering the scope of this farm operation, they can afford to build a biogas anaerobic digester plant. They can use the methane to generate electricity for the farm. Then sell any excess power to the utility company. About 500 cows can run a 1MW plant (enough to power 450 homes). The digestate is pure inorganic fertilizer, with no odor. That'd make the neighbors happy. Even if the farmer can't come up with the cash for the digester, any bank would make that loan. Here are videos: ruclips.net/video/W5vV_K4533A/видео.html ruclips.net/video/ASoXPy8RWlQ/видео.html
@Jonathan Thacker "How many farmer's do you personally know that own a methane digester?" Do I really need to know any personally? "Where'd you get your information from?" Watch this, start from 2:40 ruclips.net/video/_CmReC4iwr4/видео.html It clearly states that 530 cows can produce 1MW, which in the UK powers up to 1,500 homes. The average American uses about 32kWh daily, compared to UK's 13kWh. ruclips.net/video/xI166Ps8DIo/видео.htmlm37s I hope that helps you with the info you seek.
@Jonathan Thacker "he made claims that are not supported by in reference links. Such as banks eagerly willing to lend the money. That is so so far from the truth." Prove it's far from the truth. Of course, if you have bad credit, you won't get a bank loan, no matter how viable your business plan is. "Also my cousin has an 8000 cow dairy farm with a digester" That is a lot of cows. How much energy is generated by the 8,000 cows? Note: the amount of methane that is generated depends on a few factors, such as temperature inside the digester, need to steer the slurry constantly, etc.
I am here in the same area. I see the effects of manure management. you could not be more wrong about having more of these lagoons. Seems like a good idea at first. I thought the same thing 5 years ago. Did my researching on alot of things. It seems it all comes back to your top soil. When you spread manure from a lagoon or deep pit, the ammonia damages the worms and microbes to where the cannot do their job.
A Fox that's approx. the wholesale price, I think - www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=29512 - but there's probably a break-even point for sufficient power generation to give the farmer zero electricity costs, even if it doesn't use all the manure/methane.
Antibiotics from where? The cows? Dairy cattle cannot be on antibiotics and have their milk sold for human consumption. All milk is tested for antibiotics before it leaves the farm and a single cow with drugs in her system will ruin the load.
Because of the level of methane and other gases they give off and how acidic they are, if a person fell in they would literally melt before they had a chance to get out.
@@jackbalasz4846 cow manure is just barely alkaline, opposite of acidic. In fact, it has roughly the same pH as ocean water. So, no. It certainly wouldn't melt you.
Compost pack barns are getting popular in Ontario. I am not sure how large of herds you can mange with this until liquid set ups beat it on efficiency.
it has been proven that one human can exist from a four by four foot herb garden. theoretically, factory farms are not needed. i don't like vegetables, though. that's why i worked my way up to the top of the food chain.
bill cenne, That's utter bullshit. Just do a basic caloric comparison of what typical human being needs for a year (2000 x 365 = 730,000) and equate that to available calories a veggie garden has per unit of space given any combination of veggies you want. Sad reality of basic herb/vegetable is very few pass the 100 calories per square foot mark which means for the average human it would take a garden of at least 7300 square feet to live off of in ideal conditions. In real world all organic farming that number multiplies by a factor of 5 or more, which is in a way how the old standard of the Acre unit of land area measurement (43, 560 square feet) came to be being it took about 1 acre of land to feed one person for a year under reasonable growing and maintenance conditions.
OK so this whole video is awesome and makes sense except for one part. Can somebody please explain to me what the rate of 100 gallons per pump is. is that 100 gallons per minute? 100 gallons per hour? 100 gallons per day? 100 gallons per week? 100 gallons per pump is not a flow rate.
Living in farm country you will live with the aroma of farming. I have a problem with city people moving to the farming area and complain when they don’t understand the process of farming.
The problem with lagoons is that when they do fail, they fail in a big way. They aren't telling you about the farm hand that gets paid 10$/hr who forgets to shut off a pump or neglects to fix a valve that breaks and dumps 100,000 gallons of liquid manure down that AA trout stream and kills all the fish for two miles.
Kyle Haley douchey lib. Not only that, give ONE example of what you said happening. You can't because you're just a fucking douche bag liberal and fear monger.
Put on your big boy pants because that is called an accident , and it could happen to anyone no matter what they are getting paid ! I live in NYC and the city composting areas and that stinks too ! They then sell it as organic soil . Nothing make the tools on the left happy !
2 miles is a big deal if the water source for thousands of people is contaminated. I'm sure the farmer has 6 months of drinking water ready to go for his neighbors. BTW I'm all for this stuff but you can't just ignore the negatives.
the sad thing is.. instead of doing things the shittiest way postable they could grow algae scrubber systems with it instead, instead of just making big dumb watershed ruining messes.
even worse are the aeration tanks at municipal wastewater facilities. imagine a lagoon of human filth twice the size but pumped full of so much air that there is no hope of floating or swimming to safety; the "water" is simply not dense enough to support a human body. your only chance of survival is if somebody happened to see exactly where you fell in and retrieve you in minutes. so, not likely.
I grew up near farmland that would lay manure down on their hay fields in the spring. What I always thought was kind of weird is that you typically would only smell it when moving (like driving by your car). Once you stopped moving you couldn't smell it anymore.
manure is the absolute best fertilizer ever. It's natural, enriches the land and easely absorbed by the terrain. we should limit the use of pesticides and herbicides but not menure. is a gift from nature and very necessary
Most lagoons don’t add liners and monitors as the video shows and that is the problem. Don’t insinuate that all states has these regulations. I am sure there’s none.
I agree and manuer is the best way to make and keep the soil healthy and it make and keeps the organic foods healthy also. I use to work on a farm and i understand and agree because poeple don't need the toxic chemicals being use nowadays in our foods, cattle and any other live stocks and crops!!
The video should be called “why farmers use manure lagoons”. All they explained in the video is, it is 16 feet deep, it’s pumped into the bottom, and it forms a crust on the top. They did not explain any of the science.
I'm a farmer and if you complain about the smell shut up and going inside think about what the farmers smell going up close to it all day I've got used to the smell tho.
Here's the thing though. Farmers supply all of us with food. Without farmers, the vast majority of us would simply die. That's something you can't get around. The problem is that farming on a small scale is not profitable. Machinery and equipment needed in order to satiate the demand for food is massively expensive but the product sells for dirt cheap and a lot of the money is taken away by distributors and sellers before it reaches the farmer. Meaning you need to sell a lot of product to stay afloat. What small-time farmers are usually forced to do is to sell part of their stock privately to locals and family members in order to dodge taxes or to do other jobs on the side that generate more money. They can't make enough money to live off their farm by conventional means because they can't produce in large enough quantities. So they are forced to either close down or expand and become more industrialized in order to be profitable until you have these massive factory-like farms that houses a thousand cows or thereabout. If we don't want these massive farms then we need to make small-time farming a sustainable job. A lot of that would be to simply accept that food would have to cost more. Of course no one wants to do that because more expensive food means less money for other things. The other thing that would need to happen would be to ensure that as much money as possible made it back to the farmer from the consumer, otherwise a lot of that extra money would just be eaten up by middle hands. Of course no one wants to do that either because it would mean that middle hands would lose money. That and putting a limit on how large a farm can become so that you don't run into the same problem that we have now again. And of course, no one would want to do that either because it would limit how profitable a farm could become.
it is a great fertilizer, yes, no doubt about that, but i do believe this process could be improved with something as simple as introducing a specific type of organism to the lagoon plus an aerator to keep the manure moving instead of stagnant, then you have a manure tea rather than regular bio sludge... the organisms could help to sequester and change the state or at least the rate the ammonium and methane are released... the only question is if there would be a way to do this economically, or possibly mix this method with another waste reallocation method to reduce the concentration of manure. All the times you hear about crops being contaminated with e coli, i just think, is it because of truly bad farming practices or is it all made up to jack prices up? There's a lot of ways especially with a slurry or manure spreading method that your soil organisms could be overwhelmed by pathogens....
Glad the farmers have the say. It’s beautiful to live in a farming community but remember we need our farmers to do the everyday hard work to keep us feed. I’m on their side
TL:DR They are recycling the manure in a GREEN manner the herds used to graze and manure the ground at random right, we are just making the process more intense.
actually it should be a consensus between farmers and residents since not all farmers are the nice environmental model citizens portrayed in this feel good video and when factory farms are involved we can be sure that they have ZERO interest in either people or the environment.
This method does not capture the powerful greenhouse gas, methane, generated by rotting cow poo. These people will only ever act in their self-interest, you cannot trust them.
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@Seededsoul, They literally fed you, what do you want the farmers to use ? Chemicals ? One way to stop them from raising cows is to stop eating meat, so there is no one there to provide the farmer with organic manure to grow the crops, and lets them just use chemicals which will eventually seep into underground water also.
are people REALLY COMPLAINING? like what do they want the farmers to do with all the poop?
Pikapetey Animations They want to see the end of animal agriculture. Too bad they don't understand that's what's used to fertilize all their Organic veggies.
They don't need to have mega-factory farms, the entire industrial system doesn't work. Manure isn't the problem but rather the volume for profit is.
How can we get them to realize the importance of animal manure for organic farming? I collect tons of horse manure from stables to mix with chipped tree waste to produce compost that ends up on my mango and avocado groves
the technology to clean that $hlt up is available. administering it may cut into profits but it has to be done because you and your children have to live on this land also!
leave it fallow for 120 days
People complain about homelessness, yet whenever the city builds affordable housing, it isn't supposed to be in their backyard...
People complain about pesticides contaminated the water supply, yet whenever farmers use manure, it's not supposed to happen in our backyard...
People complain about losing their jobs, yet whenever a new factory opens it's not supposed to be in our backyards....
People complain about public transportation, yet we don;t want commuter rail lines to open in our backyards...
The not in my backyard (NIMB) mentality has to stop... If we ever want to live in a future where we don;t commute 50 mins to work everyday, every aspect of our lives will have to take place in our neighborhoods, not in the middle of nowhere.
Belligerent Theo. NIMBYS are only topped by BANANAS. - Buuild absolutely nothing anywhere near anything.
We can work remotely perfectly fine. We can shop from far away without problems.
Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water
So much respect for the hard-working farmers around the world. Thank you for feeding us.
you mean harmers
@@mato4334 How’s that?
theyre not doing charity work.
spread the liquid manure around Hollywood. No-one would notice.
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at least the manure has a useful purpose in life.
or washington d.c.
World's already full of it.
Rural areas are for farming and forestry. Don't like the smell? Go back to the city.
Smells on the city too 😅😅.. ppl don't know what they want
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@@alexanderargead3993 it's not mine
@@alexanderargead3993 reason for corn and soybeans is for animals like pigs cows and chickens and then the oils that they produce and then the leftovers from it is feed to animals.
MANURE that is put into the ground helps the ground nutrients and then the emission on on all the new vehicles actually do not help there is no such thing as global warming and the sulfur that comes from the engine, and goes into the ground and helps with the nutrients of the ground. theres such thing as soybean oil which is in a lot of foods that you eat
If you don't like the smell of manure... Don't move close to a dairy farm. Seems pretty self explanatory
Solution is simple. First use fresh manure to create free biogas which can fuel the farm machinery and gas heaters in winter. Then vermicompost to enrich the manure then fertlise fields. Use the manure to create planter pots which enrich gardens. Dried manure logs provide for eco-friendly fire logs and preserve forests.
Swiss farmers have been doing this for ages, yes it stinks but I prefer a little smell to artificial fertilizer ANY DAY.
Trust me, we've been doing this for a long time here too. The only thing new is the concrete containment. Also we have dairy farms where the cows come automatically to get milked on a giant carousel.
@@SimonWoodburyForget it's not 100% artificial alot is it comes from recycled conventional oil that has other things added to make it far superior.
Here in Wisconsin, we love our dairy-air !
That artificial fertilizer is supplied by Monsanto and they are what at any other time would be a monopoly. They also control the seed industry through the paid court system. Do you really believe they tell you what is in that fertilizer, do you believe they are not manipulating the prices of those products. Thank Bill Clinton for that and other industries with legal monopolies after he open the patent office so companies could control every Gene and limit research to profit.
@Steve Sherman The livestock still craps while in the barn and that is collected and stored.
When I was younger my dad built our house on an old cow farm. And I mean even 10 years later if there was a heavy rain you could smell manure but boy was the grass as green as ever:)!!
Farmers feed the whole world dont hate them or what they have to do.
well not the whole word but most of it
most use chemical fertilizer anymore seeds and glysophate gender bender spray and commiting suicide on themselves as well as everyone else knowing ly or unknowingly.
Steve Sherman It's a sad shame I've worked around small,med ,and somewhat larger farmers my whole life ,and until just recently and I mean just they did not have a clue about how in the dark they were and how manipulated they are partially due mild antisocial nature.
Steve Sherman how does nothing here indicate a farm? Cause when I checked last it was a farm, it dosent matter how much machinery or how big the stuff is
Steve Sherman which is what this farm is doing, it's probably run close to what ours is... we are a dairy farm but also produce grain or "cash crop" farms arnt and shouldn't be classified as anything they are a farm that produces food for the world and that's the end of it....
I don't care about the smell or the poop, just let the cows run in the field every once in a while. Happy cow taste better.
People who move next airports should sign a similar disclosure form that says "airplanes have right to operate" even when it causes noise, dust, and odors.
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You forgot about the jet fuel over sprey.
And cancer
Three brothers died recently after falling in one of these and passing out from the fumes, the news said
Manure is a better fertilizer than the chemical stuff. Everybody poops but would you really rather have chemicals in your bloodstream?
Everything is a chemical, including water.
you know what he meant smartass lol
What he means is that he want E.Coli
@Travis Johnson That's not how it works... you cant get E coli because food has been grown with manure.
We used manure to create Methane and ran all of our equipment on that fuel. When the Methane production was done we ran the leftover material through a a machine that separated solids from the liquids. Then we put the liquid in a series of plant filled pools and eventually we released it in a river, it was cleaner than river water.
Solid gold man . That was one daman good video. Natural fertilizer at its best. Those cows looks healthier. Good job dude. Keep it up. New generation dosent understand old timers sad to say.
Lived in Thorton, CO for a while. When the cattle would arrive you could smell it all the way across town even though the stock yards were rather far away. It was funky...but I got used to it.
Farming is the most honorable and important job in the world.
I have suggested that the holding tanks should be covered, and the Methane gas collected for use in heating etc. That practice would eliminate the 'smell' and give the bacteria time to reduce the waste products.
I dont think that people realize that dirt, plants, and all of the microorganisms in the dirt are all a natural filter, even if that manure seeps into the ground it'll get filtered out from the dirt itself and the end product is potable water.
www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/us/18dairy.html
That might be so with small concentrations, but at 100X-500X the concentration the microorganisms can't keep up and it ends up in the drinking water.
That is true. Dirt that has lots of microorganisms is the best filter there is. Problem is that when manure is applied, it needs time to be filtered by the dirt. With all the tile in the ground it takes the manure when too much is applied.
Also i think the gmo crops have hurt the amount of microorganisms in the ground.
I'm all for it but there is a risk of E coli that's why they put all those measures in place I'm guessing
Why this was recommended to me is a question I'll Never get the answer to.. But here i Denmark, a large portion of the people who lives close the farmers fields actually somewhat likes the smell.
I am one of them, and it gives me the same feeling as newly trimmed grass
A good, educational video presenting the scientific explanations for what is happening. Living in an agricultural area often means living close to livestock. As long as people keep buying milk, dairy farms are going to be a part of the mix. Feedlots are even worse, we should put those in downtown.
These lagoons are the source of most of the methane attributed to beef cows. If the manure is left to rot on dry land,tho,it produces a lot less methane. Lagoons should end.
2:10 "at a rate of 100 gal per pump" I really wish filmmakers had some level of real-world competence
Do you mean they should say at a rate of 100 gallons per minute?"
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL THE FARMERS THAT PROVIDED FOOD FOR ME OVER THE YEARS!!!!!
All the tree huggers clamoring for "organic" this-that-and-the-other-thing and then belly aching when they find out what it actually is!!
SMH!!
Jetta Driver in fertilizer speak, "organic" means something very different. It means it's not pure, and thus releases slower.
Most likely those corporate republic bitches honestly. XD They can't handle real work in their white collar jobs.
My friends farm organic and others regular here is the diff... That organic food you buy is fertilized with cow, pig, or chicken crap. In some cases actual dead chickens as well... no weed chemicals can be used nor chemical insecticides so there happen to be allowed no much insect matter per pound or bushel in the product mainly eggs and carcass... In conventional farming a fertilizer pellet is used or ammonia gas to fertilize and weed killer boosts yields there by lowering over all product cost... Insecticides can be used but are not regularly as it is expensive only if the crop is at risk...
SO there really is no sanitary means of farming you either fertilize with manure or chemicals...
The part that kills me is when people eat organic without washing it. I see that all the time at farmer's markets.
@@chrisjohnson4666 organic only means what someone wants it to. Many chemicals used for weeds and insecticides etc are classified as organic. There have been cases of inspectors being bribed to give the official organic certification to producers. I buy organic but only because I know that it is better but not close to perfect unless I'm growing it myself.
That's cool, but why don't they use bokashi or a compost method instead of spreading it as is? Or a liquid agent for the lagoon?
Other farmers complaining about how this could poison water supply when the technique they're using already does...Hmm, interesting
It’s as green as you can get.
The actual term for it is, "slurry pit". This practice has been used for centuries.
also known as Cesspools
THAT'S THE PROBLEM! WHY DO YOU THINK OUR LAKES AND STREAMS ARE SO POLLUTED?
@@billcenne7262 its the rubbish that caused lakes to be polluted not the shits
wrong. it's runoff from factory farms and people's septic systems. it's called "e-coli"...........deadly.
@@billcenne7262 I'd like to see the kind of manure that can seep through concrete. Did you watch the video, or just skip to the comments to tear someone apart? Watch 2:24 - 2:49 again, and tell me how some runoff can get away through that.
Also, I am a dairy farmer, and I KNOW that manure isn't thin enough to seep into anything. It doesn't get down past the topsoil when it's spread.
Respect for a responsible use of manure. In Denmark you need storage for 9 month production and land enough to use it on
"100 gallons per pump" is not a rate.
It is normal, that If you decide to build a house next to a farm, to have to deal with the smells.
My meat comes from the store not a cow lol
Tone Tone haha
lol
When you call someone retarded you may want to use real words Brenden.
Joke Head
Brenden Funk smh lol
God bless the farmers of America! They are truly our foundation. If you don't like what farmers are doing, move to a city!
1:57 the time you can't tell the difference between Farming game and Reality
I see alot of people complain about the large farms on here. It is not abour how big a farm you have it is about how you manage it. I seen a very large farm managed way better than any family farm near me. Manure lagoons are very popular even with small producers. However they are terrible for the ground. The reason being the ammonia they produce kills the micro organism and worms in the ground when you apply it. Thoses little guys are what does all the work. Now give it a couple weeks and they can start to repopulate. But damage is done. Its not bad for a couple of times but poor farming practices continue to dwindle the top soil.
That is the issue with manure management. Solids need to be removed immediately from the manure to lessen the ammonia. Besides, when you smell manure that is money leaving your pocket.
So as usual, the complaints about the lagoons are out of ignorance rather than legitimate study
huh? obviously highly concentrated massive amounts of deadly gas not created naturally will draw scrutiny. regardless of what the scientific community says. those guys can be bought off also........
Bill Cenne if you say so I guess... Right?
not "my" opinion, it's common knowledge. money talks in this country.
I grew up down wind of a dairy farm. I didn't realize there were so many people ignorant to the fact that these are necessary.. I liked living in such country.
Its all hunky dory until it leaks into the water supply
In Pakistan, we have the same concept! The demand of buying this organic liquid is on high demand! It is the best and healthy way to live by the nature! No diabetes, heart problems or cancers!!!!
Dumb article, We need farmers, and cows and bison have been producing manure for eons!
taylor hill the article is more in support of farmers...
Pickle Tickle I disagree, and don't see where you came to that conclusion. They were talking about the smell of manure ponds invading the community and seeping into ground water and poisoning streams. How the community has no say, and the media represents the community not the farmer, did you read the footnote?
stoeger 2 thats why we rely on farmers to enact sustainable grazing procedures along with pasture management, kind of difficult with urban sprawl. Deer seem to migrate for food just fine, but domesticated cattle don't have the same Instinct. Its also difficult for animals to migrate with roadways, railways, and fenced areas like they would have normally done less than a hundred or two hundred years ago.
How is a manure lagoon better than a biogas plant? With a biogas plant you can make methane and electricity and then still have an organic fertilizer (digestate)
They are missing out by not covering the ponds and collecting the methane gas
You are over estimating the amount coming out and under estimating the cost of infrastructure required
Cool bid. Educational and well put together. Thanks
Don't live in agricultural districts if you don't like agriculture. ...
People also complain about the bean and corn pickers making noise where I'm from
Utilizing manures for crop nutrition is the best thing for it. The problems arise from volatalization of the Ammonia and the venting of Methane from the manure along with polltuion of aquifers and water courses. What the industry should be aiming for is capture of those gas either by slurry store covers or injection of slurries into soils. The other aim should be to ensure manures are applied at the best time for crop utilization not just as the lagoon fills up. Protection of air soil and water are pretty crucial to ensure effective food supply.
This is what over consumption of meat and dairy will do. People need to readjust their diets and not try to put bandaid on issues.
Why do you think that this manure is a bad thing?
@@Ethan-ck6iz as a farmer there is a difference between good and bad manure. This type of manure is no good. It comes from mass produced meat, which is fed shitty diets, therefore shitty manure. Also, it then leaches into ground water furthering the issue.
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Wtf....Cow manure poisons water stream underground? R u serious?
franky Kumuta yes its possible, the nitrogen in the manure, can flow down into the ground water, where the nitrogen will turn into nitrite, which is known to be a source of cancer is ingested to much
Then what about chemical fertilisers which contains tons of nitrogen ? doesn't it too flown down into ground water ? Forest where have more greens composted on soil, doesn't that contains nitrogen too ? that means your saying waterstream from forest and mountains too polluted and can cause cancer ?
that's why some countries have limitation on the amount of N (organic or chemical) you can use on your field, to protect the ground water.
and forests off course also depose Nitrogen into the ground but that's not even near the amount that is being spread on fields to get a good yield
There's a huge differentiation between Chemical and Organic(cow manure based) fertiliser's Nitrogen content. I don't think there's a huge difference between forest and cow manure. Forest have tons and tons of leaves, chips and animal manure composted on soil very compactly. Much higher amount of N is involved and efficiently transformed by microorganisms and plants at forest. cow manure contains mostly leaves and grains, which contains same level organic matters just like forest. If water polluted at fields due to spread manure then water from mountains and forest also polluted. (My opinion)
franky Kumuta you're correct that decomposition in forests will also create nitrogen that eventually converts into nitrate and either flushes through the soil or goes into the air. To possibly clear it up some; we test the manure as it's being applied to the soil and we apply the proper amount or our goal of what we're growing. For me personally, I shoot for 180 bushel corn. I need about 200 pounds of total N to support that crop. I get some through organic decomp every year (about 40-50 pounds per acre in my area) which means I apply 150 pounds of N per acre each year. I have no idea how much N an active forest would develop. Hopefully this helps, maybe it was just me rambling!
There is one thing that can be done and a few farms are doing it. The smell everyone complains about is ... Methane.... A few farms that i know of have made Methane domes and then use that gas to run Generators for their Dairy farms this in turns helps keep the smell down and helps make a great dry or even wet fertilizer Its not really the smell after awhile you get use to it. It is people living in fear of it leeching into the water table. I can see this with the older Earth Lagoons which i see around here Some of these have been around for decades never changing. A few of these dairy farms even sit in flood zones and the Lagoons get flooded. so these folks tend to try to empty their Lagoons out soon as they can and those fields aren't use for anything other then crops for the cows. As for Chicken a lot of places take it off site to compost the waste. I myself am a Urban farmer. I raise chickens in the city and i compost their bedding and waste and after it has gone through and composted i give most of it away and my neighbors take it.
150 lbs of manure from one cow a day? That is a lot.
Considering the scope of this farm operation, they can afford to build a biogas anaerobic digester plant.
They can use the methane to generate electricity for the farm. Then sell any excess power to the utility company.
About 500 cows can run a 1MW plant (enough to power 450 homes).
The digestate is pure inorganic fertilizer, with no odor. That'd make the neighbors happy.
Even if the farmer can't come up with the cash for the digester, any bank would make that loan.
Here are videos:
ruclips.net/video/W5vV_K4533A/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/ASoXPy8RWlQ/видео.html
Jonathan Thacker He literally, literally posted some reference links.
There are 35 digesters listed for New York.
@Jonathan Thacker
"How many farmer's do you personally know that own a methane digester?"
Do I really need to know any personally?
"Where'd you get your information from?"
Watch this, start from 2:40
ruclips.net/video/_CmReC4iwr4/видео.html
It clearly states that 530 cows can produce 1MW, which in the UK powers up to 1,500 homes. The average American uses about 32kWh daily, compared to UK's 13kWh. ruclips.net/video/xI166Ps8DIo/видео.htmlm37s
I hope that helps you with the info you seek.
@Jonathan Thacker
"he made claims that are not supported by in reference links. Such as banks eagerly willing to lend the money. That is so so far from the truth."
Prove it's far from the truth. Of course, if you have bad credit, you won't get a bank loan, no matter how viable your business plan is.
"Also my cousin has an 8000 cow dairy farm with a digester"
That is a lot of cows. How much energy is generated by the 8,000 cows?
Note: the amount of methane that is generated depends on a few factors, such as temperature inside the digester, need to steer the slurry constantly, etc.
I know one person in my area who has a digester. It's pretty neat.
Wow, good idea.
I grew up near and working on farms. Believe it or not, I like the smell. It reminds me of my youth.
Smell is annoying but so is starvation.
We NEED more of these manure lagoons!! Especially where run off is a problem in the Lake Erie basin and watershed!!!
I am here in the same area. I see the effects of manure management. you could not be more wrong about having more of these lagoons. Seems like a good idea at first. I thought the same thing 5 years ago.
Did my researching on alot of things. It seems it all comes back to your top soil.
When you spread manure from a lagoon or deep pit, the ammonia damages the worms and microbes to where the cannot do their job.
Why not convert the methane from the manure into electricity???
Squiggles and how would you implement that onto a farm what costs and what advantages would it be
b.murphy more cost than profit. I am getting 0.04€ for a kw (selling solar power). Its just not worth it
A Fox that's approx. the wholesale price, I think - www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=29512 - but there's probably a break-even point for sufficient power generation to give the farmer zero electricity costs, even if it doesn't use all the manure/methane.
solar plant and Biogass are different.
A Fox 4 Eurocents per kW? Man, that's lower than Australia at the moment. Where are you?
What kind of pump do they use in the farm
Who else is here heard about “poop lagoons” from Scream Queens?!? 😂
I found it from auto play from Industrial Hemp Farming..
wonder if you can actually skate on those?
Is it just the pit producing the bulk of the smell or once spread on the fields? Cause you’d think they could Dome the pit and manage the smell a bit?
its not the manure that bothers me, its the antibiotics that are not mentioned here.
Antibiotics from where? The cows? Dairy cattle cannot be on antibiotics and have their milk sold for human consumption. All milk is tested for antibiotics before it leaves the farm and a single cow with drugs in her system will ruin the load.
Cows are not allowed to be on antibiotics all the time, if they have a bacterial infection sure. But they can't have milk harvested
never forget, this is highly concentrated cow$hlt also, not naturally found in such high concentrations. nasty, toxic stuff........
Because of the level of methane and other gases they give off and how acidic they are, if a person fell in they would literally melt before they had a chance to get out.
Yes
@@jackbalasz4846 cow manure is just barely alkaline, opposite of acidic. In fact, it has roughly the same pH as ocean water. So, no. It certainly wouldn't melt you.
why not a biogas plant with little smell and make biogas then take the waste and then inject it.
a bio plant works like a cows stomach you feed it silage and water, it digests it and produces manure, it will not run of slurry
Compost pack barns are getting popular in Ontario. I am not sure how large of herds you can mange with this until liquid set ups beat it on efficiency.
Now there's a big bowl of vegan soup!!!!
With "natural refreshment odor"
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Lol
Biff gonna eat that
Perfect for a refreshing dip on a summer afternoon.
I can't smell the farm but won't go near a human waste plant because it stinks 😷 lol 😂 with out farmers no food!!!!!!!!!!!
it has been proven that one human can exist from a four by four foot herb garden. theoretically, factory farms are not needed. i don't like vegetables, though. that's why i worked my way up to the top of the food chain.
bill cenne, That's utter bullshit. Just do a basic caloric comparison of what typical human being needs for a year (2000 x 365 = 730,000) and equate that to available calories a veggie garden has per unit of space given any combination of veggies you want.
Sad reality of basic herb/vegetable is very few pass the 100 calories per square foot mark which means for the average human it would take a garden of at least 7300 square feet to live off of in ideal conditions.
In real world all organic farming that number multiplies by a factor of 5 or more, which is in a way how the old standard of the Acre unit of land area measurement (43, 560 square feet) came to be being it took about 1 acre of land to feed one person for a year under reasonable growing and maintenance conditions.
OK so this whole video is awesome and makes sense except for one part. Can somebody please explain to me what the rate of 100 gallons per pump is. is that 100 gallons per minute? 100 gallons per hour? 100 gallons per day? 100 gallons per week? 100 gallons per pump is not a flow rate.
I think they should force all vegans to farm... compulsory farming service for vegans... oh yeah
Manure smells amazing
this is a crappy article
Living in farm country you will live with the aroma of farming. I have a problem with city people moving to the farming area and complain when they don’t understand the process of farming.
The problem with lagoons is that when they do fail, they fail in a big way. They aren't telling you about the farm hand that gets paid 10$/hr who forgets to shut off a pump or neglects to fix a valve that breaks and dumps 100,000 gallons of liquid manure down that AA trout stream and kills all the fish for two miles.
Kyle Haley douchey lib. Not only that, give ONE example of what you said happening. You can't because you're just a fucking douche bag liberal and fear monger.
Why do I come across as a douchy libertarian?
Put on your big boy pants because that is called an accident , and it could happen to anyone no matter what they are getting paid ! I live in NYC and the city composting areas and that stinks too ! They then sell it as organic soil . Nothing make the tools on the left happy !
Oh no 2 miles so much, not.
2 miles is a big deal if the water source for thousands of people is contaminated. I'm sure the farmer has 6 months of drinking water ready to go for his neighbors.
BTW I'm all for this stuff but you can't just ignore the negatives.
the sad thing is.. instead of doing things the shittiest way postable they could grow algae scrubber systems with it instead, instead of just making big dumb watershed ruining messes.
what happen when you fall down of 16ft of poop
You drown
That would be a shitty deal
even worse are the aeration tanks at municipal wastewater facilities. imagine a lagoon of human filth twice the size but pumped full of so much air that there is no hope of floating or swimming to safety; the "water" is simply not dense enough to support a human body. your only chance of survival is if somebody happened to see exactly where you fell in and retrieve you in minutes. so, not likely.
Wastewater facilities are most likely going to be surrounded by tall fences, not 3' high fences any six-year-old can climb over.
You die really fast thats why we have a fence around our lagoon
Why can’t they just put a solid cover over the top
I love the smell of dairy cow manure lol
I used to pick the cow dumb with my bare hand when I was young
Huge dairy commercial farms in California use the use the manure to produce power.
Okay but we don't need milk in the first place
oh shut up soyboy
Ummmm milk is in 95% of the food you eat contains milk not that soy junk real milk from NATURAL cow's
Because only dairy cows poop.
Its a big septic tank. This sounds like a great idea and if it can be sealed like a septic tank that will deal with the smell.
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omg look how green and pretty that property is.
Maybe, that explains why people want to move there 😁😁😁
There's certain strains of anaerobic bacteria that can be added that really aid the smell. Advancing Eco Ag supplies the best I've seen.
I grew up near farmland that would lay manure down on their hay fields in the spring. What I always thought was kind of weird is that you typically would only smell it when moving (like driving by your car). Once you stopped moving you couldn't smell it anymore.
manure is the absolute best fertilizer ever. It's natural, enriches the land and easely absorbed by the terrain. we should limit the use of pesticides and herbicides but not menure. is a gift from nature and very necessary
I personally enjoy the smell of cow manure. Keep doing your thing farmers.
Most lagoons don’t add liners and monitors as the video shows and that is the problem. Don’t insinuate that all states has these regulations. I am sure there’s none.
What kind of rate is 100 gallons per pump?
How often do they control the liner?
Biochar is an excellent complement for manure - a mixture of the two will retain far more nitrogen and further enrich the soil.
I agree and manuer is the best way to make and keep the soil healthy and it make and keeps the organic foods healthy also. I use to work on a farm and i understand and agree because poeple don't need the toxic chemicals being use nowadays in our foods, cattle and any other live stocks and crops!!
The video should be called “why farmers use manure lagoons”. All they explained in the video is, it is 16 feet deep, it’s pumped into the bottom, and it forms a crust on the top. They did not explain any of the science.
I'm a farmer and if you complain about the smell shut up and going inside think about what the farmers smell going up close to it all day I've got used to the smell tho.
What a beautiful place.... Wow...
This is a very well done video!
Great information explained by someone who tried to hide their utter disdain for the practice.
Here's the thing though. Farmers supply all of us with food. Without farmers, the vast majority of us would simply die. That's something you can't get around. The problem is that farming on a small scale is not profitable. Machinery and equipment needed in order to satiate the demand for food is massively expensive but the product sells for dirt cheap and a lot of the money is taken away by distributors and sellers before it reaches the farmer. Meaning you need to sell a lot of product to stay afloat. What small-time farmers are usually forced to do is to sell part of their stock privately to locals and family members in order to dodge taxes or to do other jobs on the side that generate more money. They can't make enough money to live off their farm by conventional means because they can't produce in large enough quantities. So they are forced to either close down or expand and become more industrialized in order to be profitable until you have these massive factory-like farms that houses a thousand cows or thereabout.
If we don't want these massive farms then we need to make small-time farming a sustainable job. A lot of that would be to simply accept that food would have to cost more. Of course no one wants to do that because more expensive food means less money for other things.
The other thing that would need to happen would be to ensure that as much money as possible made it back to the farmer from the consumer, otherwise a lot of that extra money would just be eaten up by middle hands. Of course no one wants to do that either because it would mean that middle hands would lose money.
That and putting a limit on how large a farm can become so that you don't run into the same problem that we have now again. And of course, no one would want to do that either because it would limit how profitable a farm could become.
WELL SAID
So those cows aren't allowed outside?
Why not top the lagoons with plastic to trap smell or the gas and run a boiler to produce electricity.
it is a great fertilizer, yes, no doubt about that, but i do believe this process could be improved with something as simple as introducing a specific type of organism to the lagoon plus an aerator to keep the manure moving instead of stagnant, then you have a manure tea rather than regular bio sludge... the organisms could help to sequester and change the state or at least the rate the ammonium and methane are released... the only question is if there would be a way to do this economically, or possibly mix this method with another waste reallocation method to reduce the concentration of manure. All the times you hear about crops being contaminated with e coli, i just think, is it because of truly bad farming practices or is it all made up to jack prices up? There's a lot of ways especially with a slurry or manure spreading method that your soil organisms could be overwhelmed by pathogens....