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Allright, so the Tagelharpa is not a Scandinavian instrument, it's Finno-Scandian, historically prevalent within Karelia, a border region between Finland and Russia. Also, it's earliest appearance in history is after the Christianization of the region and therefore after the Viking age. Granted that there off course is a chance that the Vikings would bring bowed instruments from those nations they traveled to, most probably from the Eastern Roman Empire. Yet they did not play a Tagelharpa, but a Byzantine lyre. Still that theory does go against the most popular one, which is that bowed instruments in Europe first arrived in south Europe from the far east and gradually made their way north.
Gorgeous instrument, but not Scandinavian. It has been adopted in themed and fantasy Viking circles. Again, cool instrument and super aesthetic, but there’s a lot of misinformation about fact and fiction going around.
@@Mike-xg3mi I made sure to search this up before I commented but okay, don’t have to be rude about it. I even made sure to not to be CERTAIN about my comment, I said “I don’t think”, didn’t say anything certain like it’s not an ancient Nordic instrument, or I’m certain the ancient Scandinavians never used it. The video calls it an “Ancient Nordic VIKING Instrument.” If we go by Vikings as people from Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Iceland, I don’t think it would’ve been accurate for the Viking period, especially since bowed instruments like the Arabic rebab, Chinese erhu, and violin have their roots in Central Asian instruments like the morin khuur or Kazakh Kobyz. I’ll state it more clearly, I’m not certain that this was an instrument used in Viking musical tradition. There is a possibility.
It is accurate though, origins of the instrument trace back to Scandinavia in the 10th century roughly, especially used among Swedes and Finns. Don’t be so pretentious.
@@Mike-xg3mi by Swedes, but not by Swedes from Sweden but by Swedes from Estonia, putting the instrument's origin more into the Finnish (Karelian) and Baltic region rather than Scandinavia. The original commentor was right
Yes, even though the more traditional versions are a bit smaller than the one I have here. In any case, I love these old instruments, they have such a deep soul and human expression in them. They feel and sound so "raw" and "earthy" to play, I hope that makes sense, it's what I feel at least. 😊
@@learningmusic I totally get the description. The instrument sounds very "Unhindered." Interesting that the original ones are smaller. I imagine they have a slightly brighter sound?
Yes, they sound more similar in range to violins/fiddles but still with that droning soulful tone. Great for more "folk music" songs. I am probably going to get one later actually haha. I am so addicted to instruments lol. Here is a video of the more traditional size of tagelharpa: ruclips.net/video/7u470N6wcd8/видео.html
Everyone saying it’s not a Nordic / Viking instrument didn’t do enough research. The Baltic / Slavic region everyone keeps mentioning was literally settled by Varangians who are from SWEDEN and are Norsemen. Kiev (and many other places in the region) were literally founded by “Vikings”. TLDR: Finns/Rus/northern Baltics are Varangians / Vikings from mainly Sweden. Still Norse.
hold on there cowboy, the actual evidence points to Karelia being the origin point of the instrument, and that's East-Finland which was never conquered by the Norse. There's still no evidence of that specific instrument being used in the viking age. It's plausible that similar instruments existed in Scandinavia though, but that doesn't change the fact that tagelharpa is a traditional finnic instrument not scandinavian.
@@learningmusic Of course you say that, because if you admit to the historic facts, your whole channel would be nonsense. It's modern pagan music, sold as "ancient". You're the reason so many people are uninformed and buy cheap and bad lyres.
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Allright, so the Tagelharpa is not a Scandinavian instrument, it's Finno-Scandian, historically prevalent within Karelia, a border region between Finland and Russia. Also, it's earliest appearance in history is after the Christianization of the region and therefore after the Viking age.
Granted that there off course is a chance that the Vikings would bring bowed instruments from those nations they traveled to, most probably from the Eastern Roman Empire. Yet they did not play a Tagelharpa, but a Byzantine lyre. Still that theory does go against the most popular one, which is that bowed instruments in Europe first arrived in south Europe from the far east and gradually made their way north.
Technically the Rus / Finns in that region are Varangian descendants who came from Sweden / Norway. So they’re an extension of the same people.
@@Mike-xg3mi Not true. They propably have some varangian ancestry but claiming that they are exclusively varangian or sub group of them is just a lie.
Five minutes of googling could have told you that it is not a Viking instrument, as it came from the Baltic.
Gorgeous instrument, but not Scandinavian. It has been adopted in themed and fantasy Viking circles. Again, cool instrument and super aesthetic, but there’s a lot of misinformation about fact and fiction going around.
Nice video, but I don't think the tagelharpa is a traditional Ancient Nordic instrument.
Scandinavian to be precise. =)
It most certainly is of Scandinavian origin. Wise up before you comment ignorant things like this.
@@Mike-xg3mi I made sure to search this up before I commented but okay, don’t have to be rude about it. I even made sure to not to be CERTAIN about my comment, I said “I don’t think”, didn’t say anything certain like it’s not an ancient Nordic instrument, or I’m certain the ancient Scandinavians never used it. The video calls it an “Ancient Nordic VIKING Instrument.” If we go by Vikings as people from Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Iceland, I don’t think it would’ve been accurate for the Viking period, especially since bowed instruments like the Arabic rebab, Chinese erhu, and violin have their roots in Central Asian instruments like the morin khuur or Kazakh Kobyz. I’ll state it more clearly, I’m not certain that this was an instrument used in Viking musical tradition. There is a possibility.
@@Mike-xg3mi lol, it's from the Baltics and the Finnish-Karelian area
@@ashenen2278 fun fact, modern Finns and Rus come from the varangians who are Norse (mainly from Sweden). So it’s the same.
It sounds like Krobak's songs (not bad way:d)
Thank you =)
This title is so historically innacurate. We'll see if the video says the same falsehoods
How so?
"b-but did you know viking was actually a job title?!?!!"
Shut up
It is accurate though, origins of the instrument trace back to Scandinavia in the 10th century roughly, especially used among Swedes and Finns. Don’t be so pretentious.
@@Mike-xg3mi by Swedes, but not by Swedes from Sweden but by Swedes from Estonia, putting the instrument's origin more into the Finnish (Karelian) and Baltic region rather than Scandinavia. The original commentor was right
Oh I've heard this before! I didn't realize I was listening to a legit instrument from that era though!
Yes, even though the more traditional versions are a bit smaller than the one I have here. In any case, I love these old instruments, they have such a deep soul and human expression in them. They feel and sound so "raw" and "earthy" to play, I hope that makes sense, it's what I feel at least. 😊
@@learningmusic I totally get the description. The instrument sounds very "Unhindered." Interesting that the original ones are smaller. I imagine they have a slightly brighter sound?
Yes, they sound more similar in range to violins/fiddles but still with that droning soulful tone. Great for more "folk music" songs. I am probably going to get one later actually haha. I am so addicted to instruments lol. Here is a video of the more traditional size of tagelharpa: ruclips.net/video/7u470N6wcd8/видео.html
@@Spladoinkalthey were historically smaller than what we can make now due to the length of horse hair strings.
It isn't. The vikings might have seen a bowed lyre, but it's unlikely. Their culture disappeared before the bowed lyre was there.
Everyone saying it’s not a Nordic / Viking instrument didn’t do enough research. The Baltic / Slavic region everyone keeps mentioning was literally settled by Varangians who are from SWEDEN and are Norsemen. Kiev (and many other places in the region) were literally founded by “Vikings”.
TLDR: Finns/Rus/northern Baltics are Varangians / Vikings from mainly Sweden. Still Norse.
Thank you Mike, great clarification. 😊
hold on there cowboy, the actual evidence points to Karelia being the origin point of the instrument, and that's East-Finland which was never conquered by the Norse. There's still no evidence of that specific instrument being used in the viking age. It's plausible that similar instruments existed in Scandinavia though, but that doesn't change the fact that tagelharpa is a traditional finnic instrument not scandinavian.
What a bad take
@@learningmusic Of course you say that, because if you admit to the historic facts, your whole channel would be nonsense. It's modern pagan music, sold as "ancient". You're the reason so many people are uninformed and buy cheap and bad lyres.