I know this is primarily for relabeling midi notes, but this is actually a fantastic solution/workflow for a lot of drum midi editing. Like you said, it allows you to easily create a midi "master track" so that you can use pieces from different instruments. It's also a super great workaround for the mixing stage for those of us that like to make separate tracks for each individual kit piece so that they can be processed separately and then bussed together, much like how live drums with multiple mics would be. Great video!
This is the kind of deep LPX knowledge that is harder to find. It's a real holdover from the MIDI environment days and newer users will have no idea about it. Thanks James for this amazing tutorial.
Thank you so much! I tried to figure this out using the Logic manual and I couldn’t find these exact steps. This just opened a whole new world for me. Many thanks.
Thanks so much for this! Side Question: Do you know how to create separate channels for GGD Crash cymbals? All the routing tutorials Nolly and Misha only made 'Room' channels but have tracks for splash and stack that I don't even use. I need crash cymbals! xD
Thanks for giving such an in-depth tutorial! Is there a reason why you would want to rename the drum kit parts on the mapped instrument vs on the individual MIDI tracks with whatever sample libraries you are using? Also, would you happen to know the best way to deal with MIDI notes not translating across different drum libraries (some parts of my Logic drum kit are triggering toms while every other kit has been triggering cymbals)?
This worked great but along the way I found that in the piano roll, VIEW>DRUM NAMES seems to work for most of my soft synth drum machines. But this will come in handy with note mapped samples that I sometimes use.
Thanks for this! Question: Couldn't you technically just add the "(Mapped Instr.)" thing to the track with your virtual instrument on it instead of doing the whole monitor thing and needing two tracks? I think I get why you did it this way, cause you can route things out to other VSTs, but what if you're not planning on doing that? EDIT: Just tried it myself and it didn't really work, lol. Guess this is just how you do it. One good thing is that if you open up a new project from the template rather than importing, you don't have to re-route the drum map and the monitor again. Same thing if you open up a project that already has this inside it, of course. I'm doing this for GGD Invasion, but I still think I'm gonna have to set up another one of these for GGD One Kit Wonder: Pop Punk, because it's a smaller kit and the mapping is different. Once I do that, I'm gonna make Launchpad X layouts for each. :v
Thanks for this! I was one of those people clicking piano keys until I heard the drum hit I wanted. Going to set this up later with the velocities I usually go for. Because you can map two keys in GGD for a kit sample, I assume you could map it in logic so one key is a snare velocity for a back beat and another key is for ghost notes?
I've been using Logic for my entire music producing life but it's god damn baffling how they manage to make a feature that should take one click THIS complicated.
thanks❤, i followed this settings but get some trouble that once I write notes in the map track there will be endless repeating notes come from the instrument track. can’t find out what’s wrong
Great video! Is there a way to 'hide' all the unused keys on the Piano Roll? Basically, I just want to have the names drum kit parts shown in the piano roll to clean it up! Thanks!
I don't think so, but there is a way to only show keys that contain MIDI notes. If you look at the function bar in the Piano Roll (I.e. "Edit," "Functions," "View"), to the right of "View," you will see an icon with a line between two arrows. If you click that, it will only show the keys that have notes on them. What you could do is after programming a few bars, use that button to shrink the piano roll!
I se the keys but everything is actually written on them rather than in a different column resulting in longer names not displaying, how did you set that up?
Hello. It's useful video. But there is some problem. It's how long name of note could be. Don't you know how make long names to part of it wasn't hide?
1) Wouldn't saving a blank logic template be easier to do this? Like you load the template and it's already patched in the MIDI environment. Is this process still the same in 2024 with Logic 11. 2) Or saving an Instrument User Patch? I must thank you for this video. Much Appreciated :)
Just tested it out. 1) For anyone interested, saving a user patch saves the instruments but not the MIDI environment routing. 2) Saving a user template saves the MIDI I/O Patching and works nicely.
i made a mapped instrument, connected it to a monitor and then the track i wanted to name the notes for, and it hasnt worked. do you know what i did wrong? i also tried connecting the mapped instrument straight to the track
Awesome video,Thx James! ❤ just what i wanted to know! But, I think Apple should make things easier, I understand this workaround, But hey! Cubase has an awesome Drum Editor/Roll And if I remember back in time Logic 5 you could really Route and make edits as the User wanted.!!!! @pple Come On!!!
So even when I change the note names on the piano roll for the mapped instrument track, that won't even be the new piano roll layout for the actual midi instrument track (such as Kontakt in this video)? Does that mean every time I'd need to program drums without a MIDI pad I'd have to keep dragging the region down to the respective track just to know know the drum parts again? Apologies if that part was confusing, I'm really new to all this and just getting around to Logic
See 04:34 The MIDI region should NOT be on the track with your virtual instrument on it. It should be on the track where you dragged the mapped instrument over. If you cabled the Monitor correctly as shown at 02:51, even though the MIDI region is not on the track with your virtual instrument, it will still be able to trigger the virtual instrument. There's no need to always drag the MIDI region to see the note names. Hopefully that makes sense haha.
@@JamesZhan Got it, and thanks for the response! I think my mapping got tangled a bit when I was trying it out for myself but it makes more sense now with a bit of tinkering and retracing my steps. Great channel, btw!
This is the most convoluted thing I've ever seen...lol why the heck did they make it this complicated...yet another example of being able to blatantly tell clear as day that Apple didn't actually design this software, they bought it from someone else lol. Still thank you I appreciate it.
It is very convoluted when you first learn about it, but once you are familiar with the process, it's not too bad. Essentially, it's just dragging and dropping the mapped instrument over to a software instrument track. While I do think this is way too complicated than it should be, I find Logic overall to deliver a very cohesive user experience. I mainly use Reaper (as you can tell from my old videos), but I find Logic to be overall more pleasant to use due to a variety of factors, which include but not limited to much better UI design, and more songwriting friendly features. Logic also has really powerful MIDI features, more so than Reaper. So really, different DAWs have their own strengths and weaknesses.
@@JamesZhan I use Reaper for recording myself! I still can't understand why there's no way to see the grid lines clearly when you're dealing with waveforms in Logic, unless you double click into the editor. But yeah, for anything relating to MIDI / synths, and mixing, Logic is pretty great.
@@5urg3x Ah yes that's one of my gripes with Logic as well. It makes editing guitar DIs so much harder. Can't tell whether the guitars are on time without the gridlines over the waveforms.
@@JamesZhan Exactly!!! I haven't really figured out a more efficient workflow other than recording the DIs in Reaper, doing all of my comps and edits there, and then when I'm done, just importing the glued .wav into Logic :|
@@JamesZhan Yeah, on the track with no instrument. If I add notes they are triggering the software instrument on the other track and the monitor is showing the notes. Just no note names by the keyboard on the non instrument track. Damn, I was so excited to be able to label drum notes and key switches...
I bought logic and an apple computer because it it was one of the few DAWs where you can scrub with a jog wheel that was in my price range, but I'm getting the vibe that because apple is a brand thats users have come to see as a universal like Kleenex is to tissues that the idea of creating something unique out of generic parts is an alien idea to the typical user of this brand. Everything has to be based off some already existing construction the character of which has been made by a corporation, but the idea of just having basic percussion sounds that can be dragged and dropped by an individual user is, amazingly, an idea that seems to have occured to literally no one else but me. Why? Also, does it bug anyone else that Billie eilish and lil nas x are just baked into the program? It feels like a joke
Good god this is the most ridiculous process I've ever seen for something so simple as naming the keys in a piano roll. I love Logic so much, but give me a fuuuuucking break hahaha
Wow that's a lot of effort for something that should be standard on all DAWs. Thanks for the video!
I can’t believe how complicated this is for something so simple. Pretty much sums up all of logic as far as my short experience has been
I know this is primarily for relabeling midi notes, but this is actually a fantastic solution/workflow for a lot of drum midi editing. Like you said, it allows you to easily create a midi "master track" so that you can use pieces from different instruments. It's also a super great workaround for the mixing stage for those of us that like to make separate tracks for each individual kit piece so that they can be processed separately and then bussed together, much like how live drums with multiple mics would be. Great video!
he should do a video on this. mixing down 8 drum tracks from 8 different instruments.
This is the kind of deep LPX knowledge that is harder to find. It's a real holdover from the MIDI environment days and newer users will have no idea about it. Thanks James for this amazing tutorial.
Thank you for the kind words!
Thank you so much for making this video. Programming drums is gonna be so much easier now.
Thank you so much! I tried to figure this out using the Logic manual and I couldn’t find these exact steps. This just opened a whole new world for me. Many thanks.
You are welcome!
Thank you for this! Pretty cumbersome, but so is dragging notes around to find the drum you want.
Yeah, eventually I find it to be just easier in the long run to set up the mapping first, so I won't have to be dragging notes all the damn time haha.
@@JamesZhan That's exactly why I looked up this video 😂
Very rarely do I learn something new about Logic (12 year user) this is great info. Thanks a lot!
Great to hear!
Damn, would have never figured this one out on my own. Thanks!
You Sir are awesome.
Thank you.
thank you so much for this lesson. I love Logic but god, this should be so much simple....
Thanks a lot mate, just switch from reaper to logic and it helps a lot
Thank you very much! Really helpful tutorial!
One of the most helpful logic channesl for modern metal stuff out, thanks for the vid!
Glad you think so! And you are very welcome :)
this is so clutch...thanks for sharing!
Thanks so much for this! Side Question: Do you know how to create separate channels for GGD Crash cymbals? All the routing tutorials Nolly and Misha only made 'Room' channels but have tracks for splash and stack that I don't even use. I need crash cymbals! xD
Great video content my friend!
Just subscribed.
Thanks for giving such an in-depth tutorial! Is there a reason why you would want to rename the drum kit parts on the mapped instrument vs on the individual MIDI tracks with whatever sample libraries you are using? Also, would you happen to know the best way to deal with MIDI notes not translating across different drum libraries (some parts of my Logic drum kit are triggering toms while every other kit has been triggering cymbals)?
I love Logic Pro, but this is cumbersome... The way it is done in Cubase is much more intuitive. I hope Apple will make this easier in future release.
do you use cubase as your main daw?
or Studio One or Reaper
Thanks! I have both of those kits as well! GGD is dope.
Thank you for the helpful explanation
You are very welcome!
What a convoluted mess...but either way, I would've never figured this out on my own and the convenience is totally worth it. Thank you.
This worked great but along the way I found that in the piano roll, VIEW>DRUM NAMES seems to work for most of my soft synth drum machines.
But this will come in handy with note mapped samples that I sometimes use.
Whew!
Not one of Logic's most elegant solutions. Does it really have to be such an around about collection of jumping threw hoops?
Yup, that's pretty much the only way to go about it.
It used to be far worse.Logic is brilliant now
Thanks for this! Question: Couldn't you technically just add the "(Mapped Instr.)" thing to the track with your virtual instrument on it instead of doing the whole monitor thing and needing two tracks? I think I get why you did it this way, cause you can route things out to other VSTs, but what if you're not planning on doing that?
EDIT: Just tried it myself and it didn't really work, lol. Guess this is just how you do it. One good thing is that if you open up a new project from the template rather than importing, you don't have to re-route the drum map and the monitor again. Same thing if you open up a project that already has this inside it, of course.
I'm doing this for GGD Invasion, but I still think I'm gonna have to set up another one of these for GGD One Kit Wonder: Pop Punk, because it's a smaller kit and the mapping is different. Once I do that, I'm gonna make Launchpad X layouts for each. :v
Thanks for this! I was one of those people clicking piano keys until I heard the drum hit I wanted. Going to set this up later with the velocities I usually go for. Because you can map two keys in GGD for a kit sample, I assume you could map it in logic so one key is a snare velocity for a back beat and another key is for ghost notes?
How convenient that I was trying to do this with modern and massive
Thankyou so much helped alot
I've been using Logic for my entire music producing life but it's god damn baffling how they manage to make a feature that should take one click THIS complicated.
come on! apple needs to find an easier solution for this madness :))
No kidding!
thanks❤, i followed this settings but get some trouble that once I write notes in the map track there will be endless repeating notes come from the instrument track. can’t find out what’s wrong
Great video! Is there a way to 'hide' all the unused keys on the Piano Roll? Basically, I just want to have the names drum kit parts shown in the piano roll to clean it up! Thanks!
I don't think so, but there is a way to only show keys that contain MIDI notes. If you look at the function bar in the Piano Roll (I.e. "Edit," "Functions," "View"), to the right of "View," you will see an icon with a line between two arrows. If you click that, it will only show the keys that have notes on them. What you could do is after programming a few bars, use that button to shrink the piano roll!
@@JamesZhan Hero! Thanks for the speedy reply, will be sure to subscribe to your channel!
@@tym17 You are welcome! And thanks! Much appreciated :)
this is awesome! i tried printing but somehow it doesnt work! i use logic pro
I se the keys but everything is actually written on them rather than in a different column resulting in longer names not displaying, how did you set that up?
Hello. It's useful video. But there is some problem. It's how long name of note could be. Don't you know how make long names to part of it wasn't hide?
The fact that you cannot simply label these in the piano roll is maddening.
1) Wouldn't saving a blank logic template be easier to do this? Like you load the template and it's already patched in the MIDI environment. Is this process still the same in 2024 with Logic 11. 2) Or saving an Instrument User Patch? I must thank you for this video. Much Appreciated :)
Just tested it out.
1) For anyone interested, saving a user patch saves the instruments but not the MIDI environment routing.
2) Saving a user template saves the MIDI I/O Patching and works nicely.
How can you rename note labels on an external midi channel pleas?
Great video! Is there a way to move the samples within the piano roll? Say the kick is on C1 but I want it to be on C-2, can I move it there?
You will have to remap it on the sampler, not in the piano roll.
I can't get the little icon to appear where you drag the wire to the track in the environment window
i made a mapped instrument, connected it to a monitor and then the track i wanted to name the notes for, and it hasnt worked. do you know what i did wrong? i also tried connecting the mapped instrument straight to the track
Awesome video,Thx James! ❤ just what i wanted to know!
But, I think Apple should make things easier, I understand this workaround, But hey! Cubase has an awesome Drum Editor/Roll
And if I remember back in time Logic 5 you could really Route and make edits as the User wanted.!!!!
@pple Come On!!!
Hello James, I follow thru till you tutorial but I dont know how to display the row contain key names beside the piano roll like yours😂plz help
I tried to switch to the step sequencer for this very reason, but it just has too high of a learning curve and isn't flexible enough with arrangement.
Nice 🙌
Thanks 🔥
Thank u!
Thanks James, I had to wait to be sober to do this
I’m not getting any noise from any of my midi after doing all of this, any tips?
Hmm, could be something incorrect with the monitor? It's hard for me to troubleshoot without knowing any details
So even when I change the note names on the piano roll for the mapped instrument track, that won't even be the new piano roll layout for the actual midi instrument track (such as Kontakt in this video)?
Does that mean every time I'd need to program drums without a MIDI pad I'd have to keep dragging the region down to the respective track just to know know the drum parts again?
Apologies if that part was confusing, I'm really new to all this and just getting around to Logic
See 04:34
The MIDI region should NOT be on the track with your virtual instrument on it. It should be on the track where you dragged the mapped instrument over. If you cabled the Monitor correctly as shown at 02:51, even though the MIDI region is not on the track with your virtual instrument, it will still be able to trigger the virtual instrument. There's no need to always drag the MIDI region to see the note names.
Hopefully that makes sense haha.
@@JamesZhan Got it, and thanks for the response! I think my mapping got tangled a bit when I was trying it out for myself but it makes more sense now with a bit of tinkering and retracing my steps. Great channel, btw!
Is there a way to make this universal on every piano roll?
Unfortunately no.
@@JamesZhan 😪😪😪
This is the most convoluted thing I've ever seen...lol why the heck did they make it this complicated...yet another example of being able to blatantly tell clear as day that Apple didn't actually design this software, they bought it from someone else lol. Still thank you I appreciate it.
It is very convoluted when you first learn about it, but once you are familiar with the process, it's not too bad. Essentially, it's just dragging and dropping the mapped instrument over to a software instrument track.
While I do think this is way too complicated than it should be, I find Logic overall to deliver a very cohesive user experience. I mainly use Reaper (as you can tell from my old videos), but I find Logic to be overall more pleasant to use due to a variety of factors, which include but not limited to much better UI design, and more songwriting friendly features.
Logic also has really powerful MIDI features, more so than Reaper.
So really, different DAWs have their own strengths and weaknesses.
@@JamesZhan I use Reaper for recording myself! I still can't understand why there's no way to see the grid lines clearly when you're dealing with waveforms in Logic, unless you double click into the editor. But yeah, for anything relating to MIDI / synths, and mixing, Logic is pretty great.
@@5urg3x Ah yes that's one of my gripes with Logic as well. It makes editing guitar DIs so much harder. Can't tell whether the guitars are on time without the gridlines over the waveforms.
@@JamesZhan Exactly!!! I haven't really figured out a more efficient workflow other than recording the DIs in Reaper, doing all of my comps and edits there, and then when I'm done, just importing the glued .wav into Logic :|
Nick K I’m afraid that’s how it goes! No DAW is perfect and people often use more than one DAW to make their workflow better :)
Hmm it seems it won't let me put the monitor to a folder track :|
Yeah a folder track won't work. It has to be a software instrument track.
Hmmm, seems I've mapped everything ok, but don't see the drum names I created. I selected View Drum Names. I'm on 10.1
Are you sure the MIDI region is on the right track?
@@JamesZhan Yeah, on the track with no instrument. If I add notes they are triggering the software instrument on the other track and the monitor is showing the notes. Just no note names by the keyboard on the non instrument track. Damn, I was so excited to be able to label drum notes and key switches...
Maybe not supported on 10.1?
It still works on mine! You must have missed a step or something. Did you set the monitor box in the MIDI environment?
@@JamesZhan Yeah, I can see the midi notes flowing thru the monitor and they are triggering the midi instrument.
holly shit he's alive.... hahahah
I am indeed alive :) I'm coming out of the hiatus and I'm planning to upload videos more regularly =D
I bought logic and an apple computer because it it was one of the few DAWs where you can scrub with a jog wheel that was in my price range, but I'm getting the vibe that because apple is a brand thats users have come to see as a universal like Kleenex is to tissues that the idea of creating something unique out of generic parts is an alien idea to the typical user of this brand. Everything has to be based off some already existing construction the character of which has been made by a corporation, but the idea of just having basic percussion sounds that can be dragged and dropped by an individual user is, amazingly, an idea that seems to have occured to literally no one else but me. Why?
Also, does it bug anyone else that Billie eilish and lil nas x are just baked into the program? It feels like a joke
Good god this is the most ridiculous process I've ever seen for something so simple as naming the keys in a piano roll. I love Logic so much, but give me a fuuuuucking break hahaha
Thank you for demonstrating though, James!
Logic design fail.